An alternative to Poker

[Lucasgabd]

good point @Fredomago
it's normal to loose much more than win in gambling, that's good for building resistance to failure, thinking about the positive side of it

but, can the positive sides be bigger than all the negative aspects that come with gambling like the possibility of getting addicted?

opens up many questions on how far we should go with our entertainment

[hello_good_sir]

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

[zanezane]

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I think there's a lot of card games that can be alternative to poker. I'm not familiar to Chinese or Indian Poker, but I'm very much familiar with Tong Its and I can say I'm kinda excellent gamer of it. My technique in Tong Its is I observed my opponents cards. You just need to focus on game and memorize what he/she already put down cards and what do you think he/she still holding or left cards. By this you can predict what's their next card and you will have a big chance winning over them. And second and my final tip that I can give is always put down first the cards with big numbers.

A little search could probably help you know what those two poker variations are, and I think that you might enjoy Indian Poker the most because there's more mind games in that part compared to Chinese poker plus there's more players with Indian compared to a Chinese poker which only has a maximum of 4.

[molsewid]

Different appreciation and different in handling this activity, most of us, if not all, will agree that in these gambling activities
losing is more than winning, if you set or allocates amount to these vices and you will let it go, no problem or no regrets
that will take place after your sessions.

The entertaining part will stick inside you. It happened most with skill based gambling, Pokers or other card games, which you will
remember how close you are to winning but luck didn't back you up. 

Playing poker game is not just purely skill based but sometimes you need a silent prayer for a good set of cards because you can't choose what card that will going to land on your table. I would going to agree with a statement that losing in game could be more often than winning but this card game really give excitement and entertainment to the gambler because of the surprise set cards that you will get each round and yeah if you're not lucky enough with the good set of cards maybe on the next round it's your turn to joy.

[Assface16678]

To be honest I don't really like pvp poker, because it's hard for me to control my emotions when there is a bluff at the table. Therefore, I personally don't really look for other alternatives regarding poker gambling or other pvp gambling, in contrast to a tournament that allows me to still accept it and be interesting to participate in. In addition, even though the house edge is something to consider, but for some casino gambling games I prefer to fight the house even though in the end I still lose but sometimes wins can still be obtained but yes, experience is needed here in order to control it well.

You're thinking in one dimension, if you can't control your emotions then try to use that uncontrollability to bluff your opponents, if you're tense then try to use that as a fluke so you can make them think that you're having a bad card or try to do the same thing when you really have a bad card, they might think that you're scared. It's a matter of using what's at your disposal in poker and even in life.

[Lucasgabd]

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

yes, even on Axie Infinity people are investing like 0.5 eth or less and earning 2000-4000 SLP per month which equals 232-464 usd per month
can be a nice side hustle if you like strategy games

way different than poker of course but worth checking

[michellee]

To be honest I don't really like pvp poker, because it's hard for me to control my emotions when there is a bluff at the table. Therefore, I personally don't really look for other alternatives regarding poker gambling or other pvp gambling, in contrast to a tournament that allows me to still accept it and be interesting to participate in. In addition, even though the house edge is something to consider, but for some casino gambling games I prefer to fight the house even though in the end I still lose but sometimes wins can still be obtained but yes, experience is needed here in order to control it well.

You're thinking in one dimension, if you can't control your emotions then try to use that uncontrollability to bluff your opponents, if you're tense then try to use that as a fluke so you can make them think that you're having a bad card or try to do the same thing when you really have a bad card, they might think that you're scared. It's a matter of using what's at your disposal in poker and even in life.

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully, your opponent will not know if you just bluff or have really bad cards. Maybe the only thing that we can do is just play as usual so who knows, we will have the good luck to win from our opponents.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

[Betwrong]

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

Exactly: bet size and the time you take before checking/raising/calling. I thought I invented this wording for bluff in online poker(I mean adding time to the equation, of course,  bluffing with a bet size is a well known thing), but apparently I wasn't alone.

Regarding "poker is already solved by algorithms", I disagree. Firstly, it's only Two-player limit Texas hold’em was "solved", and secondly by "solved" they mean that computer will win or break even in the long run. And "in the long run" is the key phrase here. If you are not forced to play thousands and thousands of games, you can beat  the husband of Cassiopeia , or, at least it's not guaranteed that you won't.

[Silberman]

Probability does not equate to a solution but it does give an advantage to know the bias possible, I dont think this alters the game of Poker especially vs things like Chess where there is a definite path to checkmate over other solutions.   In that way it might be a greater advantage then using a poker odds computer, after some people can already do this kind of reckoning in their heads and have done for centuries probably.   
  Using a chess computer to win online I'm told is detectable and they will pick you up and ban you from games if you are found to have just copied computer directions.  I dont know how exactly but I presume its for the same reasons, that the path you took to win was robot like.

When it comes to detecting cheating on chess you are right computers and humans do not play in the same way and expert players can see the difference very clearly so it is easy to detect but only once you put some attention to it, in the case of poker probabilities are precisely what makes poker so difficult to solve for computes, it is obvious a computer is faster and more precise at this than any human, but humans are unpredictable, the computer may think that the correct decision should be to fold but the human player can raise and make a bluff confusing the computer about what they actually have and winning more often than not.

[timerland]

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino..

Jump into some NFT metaverses man.

You're going have a ton of fun, it's PvP and there can be an element of skill required depending on what games you are playing.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "poker is already solved by algorithms". Isn't the whole point of poker to apply the algorithm to the best of your ability? If everyone could play poker perfectly then WSOP wouldn't be a thing...

[Fredomago]

Different appreciation and different in handling this activity, most of us, if not all, will agree that in these gambling activities
losing is more than winning, if you set or allocates amount to these vices and you will let it go, no problem or no regrets
that will take place after your sessions.

The entertaining part will stick inside you. It happened most with skill based gambling, Pokers or other card games, which you will
remember how close you are to winning but luck didn't back you up. 

Playing poker game is not just purely skill based but sometimes you need a silent prayer for a good set of cards because you can't choose what card that will going to land on your table. I would going to agree with a statement that losing in game could be more often than winning but this card game really give excitement and entertainment to the gambler because of the surprise set cards that you will get each round and yeah if you're not lucky enough with the good set of cards maybe on the next round it's your turn to joy.

Praying that you'll get a good sets of cards while those beside you on the table will get nothing in order for your to win the game, oh well, it's more on how luck will back you to filled the entertainment that you are looking and possible to win something that you can treat yourself after playing.

Not inside casino, but playing with friends, card games is very interesting and exciting the way you describe the feeling when expecting what cards will land to you and how will you win over those opponents which have the same goals as yours..

[blockman]

Jump into some NFT metaverses man.

You're going have a ton of fun, it's PvP and there can be an element of skill required depending on what games you are playing.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "poker is already solved by algorithms". Isn't the whole point of poker to apply the algorithm to the best of your ability? If everyone could play poker perfectly then WSOP wouldn't be a thing...

That logic makes sense about the algorithm with poker. It's true that many NFT games have now made their card games and with some special graphics. One card game that is a very popular NFT game is Axie Infinity although its graphics aren't that special. There's still no PvP on it that has a betting feature but the devs themselves have already made a special server for esports and tournaments. I think that's the start of it and soon we'll see more betting features coming from updates from them. And for some other NFT games, there are card games too.

[qwertyup23]

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino..

The thing about poker is, no matter how skilled a player might be, there will always be that element of luck that has to go in one's favor in order to win. But, a player could manipulate those lucks and turn them against their opponent which can decide the tide of the battle. The only card game that I can thought of is blackjack. Though it may be shorter and simpler, the mechanics are somehow similar.

Another thing, I also do think that poker is fine on its own- like there can be no similar game that can match the level of skill and amount of luck required. If you are really desperate on looking for one, then I suggest that you should check out online casinos and their games as they offer innovative and new features on their website as well.

[michellee]

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

If we only use bet size and game time to bluff the opponent, I am not sure that can work as the opponent can turn to bluff us with big money or other things. Maybe it only depends on how we play poker cards and try to beat the opponents and have the luck to be the winner. Otherwise, it will be difficult to beat them and get the money. Or we can just play poker cards for fun so that we do not have to think seriously about winning the game.

[Reatim]

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

If we only use bet size and game time to bluff the opponent, I am not sure that can work as the opponent can turn to bluff us with big money or other things. Maybe it only depends on how we play poker cards and try to beat the opponents and have the luck to be the winner. Otherwise, it will be difficult to beat them and get the money. Or we can just play poker cards for fun so that we do not have to think seriously about winning the game.

that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker  bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

[worle1bm]

I think Poker is the only game where skills count more than any other PvP game and luck is just a small part of it.Blackjack you can play against other persons but the problem is luck plays a considerable part here in determining the winner.For me the best game for skillful players is Poker.

For me also poker is suitable options rather than finding any alternate to it as i am quite familiar with the game and like to play along other players judging the opponents move on the table and strategy involvement makes it more interesting for me.I have played on various games and win several times so i like poker.

[davis196]

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

Most NFT games look like a "play to win" scam to me.I know that all gambling games require money to be 'invested',but the NFT games,which I know are mostly about buying some weird "asset" and waiting for that "asset" to pay you income or dividends in the form of a token.You could upgrade that asset by spending more crypto.There's no luck or skill here.It looks more like a cloud mining scam or a ponzi scheme to me.
Anyway,I don't know about what kind of game can beat poker in terms of balance between skill and luck.
The guy how creates such game would be considered a genius and will become a millionaire.

[mv1986]

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino..

The thing about poker is, no matter how skilled a player might be, there will always be that element of luck that has to go in one's favor in order to win. But, a player could manipulate those lucks and turn them against their opponent which can decide the tide of the battle. The only card game that I can thought of is blackjack. Though it may be shorter and simpler, the mechanics are somehow similar.

Another thing, I also do think that poker is fine on its own- like there can be no similar game that can match the level of skill and amount of luck required. If you are really desperate on looking for one, then I suggest that you should check out online casinos and their games as they offer innovative and new features on their website as well.

True, and that makes Poker quite unique and fun across all skill levels. If luck is in your favor, you can beat the best of the best on a lucky day. I guess that is what attracts everyone. It also leads to wrong confirmation of alleged skill levels. Some of the guys being very lucky for a whole day or even a week (WSOP for example) really believe they are the best, while in fact they are not!

[Betwrong]

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that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker  bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

Not anymore. You said it yourself, "when we were young", and I believe you that 10 years ago  aggressive poker players have had an edge over passive ones in your local area. I believe you because, in fact, everywhere in the world aggressive players were harvesting their crops at the tables back then. This has ended around 3-4 years ago (ok, that's just my theory, it's not necessary to agree with me. ), when some smart guys and girls, especially girls actually, have started to exploit over aggressiveness of their opponents and beat them more often than not.


Returning to the topic, I'd like to say that we don't need "an alternative to Poker", because poker wasn't "solved", and probably will never be. It's not a chess game, which indeed was solved many years ago. Poker is different, it's a great game, it's more like real life. Can you solve life? No one can.