An alternative to Poker

[Betwrong]

~ modern poker is as exciting as possible, but you can always come up with something new.

No Limit Texas Hold'em is so good and complex at the same time that it's hard to imagine something new that could compete with it. I bet in the next 50 years we won't see such game. Also, I believe that not only the game has not been solved, it won't be solved in the near future too.

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oh, yes, I'd totally agree that we are better of not improvising in some areas, like heart cirurgies or building bridges.

In those fields the machines will replace us humans soon, but not in poker.

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https://www.ted.com/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_flow_the_secret_to_happiness
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Thank you! I love TED talks. I'll definitely check this one out.

[Lucasgabd]

nice about the TED, let me know what you think of it afterwards

oh, you are right about the machines too, in reality there are already machines doing cirurgies in some cases, they can be more precise then humans for detailed stuff
so we got to a nice point here

maybe for things where improvisation adds to the experience, like poker, dance and arts, people won't be easily substituted by machines

something to think about

[Silberman]

I also heard about this, but as far as I understand, these changes did not affect tournaments, so any player who more or less often plays tournaments is transparent enough for analysis. Plus, if a lot of players use these trackers during their game, then in aggregate the program receives no less information than if it monitors each table itself. In my opinion, the ideal solution to this problem is a completely anonymous game where you do not see the nicknames of the players you are playing against and some casinos have created such an option. To be honest, I don’t understand why this practice hasn’t become widespread.
Because of all this nonsense, many people have an extremely negative attitude towards online poker - no one wants to be beaten by a bot or grinder who uses software to play.

I think that is the main issue, I remember when there was the explosion in popularity in poker and ESPN began broadcasting the WSOP and back then the atmosphere you could get at online casinos was great, everyone wanted to learn and have some fun and no one was afraid to lose a few dollars in order to do so, but then software like poker calculators began to appear, then came bots and now tackers and people became a lot more wary of playing online as they did not wanted to be beaten by a computer and not by another human being.

[Lucasgabd]

oh, I remember these poker games on television too, that was fun, having this small camera that showed the cards

definitely way more emotion and adrenaline going on that only playing online, or watching online games

[Betwrong]

nice about the TED, let me know what you think of it afterwards

What can I say, I want to be in flow! I mean all of us are there at one point or another, but we need more of those moments.

maybe for things where improvisation adds to the experience, like poker, dance and arts, people won't be easily substituted by machines

Don't know about arts and dance, but in poker they won't.  

oh, I remember these poker games on television too, that was fun, having this small camera that showed the cards

definitely way more emotion and adrenaline going on that only playing online, or watching online games

They are still there. I don't have TV, but I watch them regularly on YouTube. Of course they are never really live, and they have never been, but that doesn't make them less entertaining.

[blockman]

oh, I remember these poker games on television too, that was fun, having this small camera that showed the cards

definitely way more emotion and adrenaline going on that only playing online, or watching online games

Yes, the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

[blockman]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

There are a lot of things that you can learn if you're watching the whole thing but most of the time what I watch are those highlights to cut my time as I'd like to watch those amazing moments of each player that are either bluffing or having the YOLO mentality during that table.
And looking at the views of those videos, there are many people that are tuning in to poker plays whether it's a tournament or not.

[KTChampions]

~ modern poker is as exciting as possible, but you can always come up with something new.

No Limit Texas Hold'em is so good and complex at the same time that it's hard to imagine something new that could compete with it. I bet in the next 50 years we won't see such game. Also, I believe that not only the game has not been solved, it won't be solved in the near future too.

Limit poker was solved a few years ago - bots were created that play better than humans, I think no-limit poker will also be solved (if not yet solved, I don't really follow it now). By the way, I remember how everyone said that the GO game could not be solved for at least 10 years, and literally a year later, AlfaGo appeared which did it.

[ethereumhunter]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

That will be a good lesson for people who wants to learn more details about poker, especially how to play better like a pro, how to bluff the opponent, or how to calm down when we do not have a good card so our opponent does not think that we can win from them and else. But it is hard to learn one by one of the lessons since that needs a focus to understand the point of the lessons. That is what someone needs to do when he wants to be a pro poker player.

[finaleshot2016]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

That will be a good lesson for people who wants to learn more details about poker, especially how to play better like a pro, how to bluff the opponent, or how to calm down when we do not have a good card so our opponent does not think that we can win from them and else. But it is hard to learn one by one of the lessons since that needs a focus to understand the point of the lessons. That is what someone needs to do when he wants to be a pro poker player.

Well, the best way to learn these kinds of gambling games is by experience because without experience the opponents who already have a lot of experience in gambling could have more advantages than you. He knows how things work so definitely they can play bluffing or tricking the enemy through actions and such. IMO, it's easy to play like a pro once you've learned about the probability and how to act in different situations, I bet you'll gonna have more wins.

[Wexnident]

Well, the best way to learn these kinds of gambling games is by experience because without experience the opponents who already have a lot of experience in gambling could have more advantages than you. He knows how things work so definitely they can play bluffing or tricking the enemy through actions and such. IMO, it's easy to play like a pro once you've learned about the probability and how to act in different situations, I bet you'll gonna have more wins.

Well, it's more on the confidence level and the amount of money you actually have. I admit, skill is required when playing games like poker, but really, the bare necessity in actually trying to fight pros is that you must have enough bankroll to actually do so. Only then would the competition actually have sense, since only then would players actually showcase their real skill, unlike casual matches. That requirement is actually a massive influence in how you play, so it's honestly going to take a lot of time.

[Lucasgabd]

nice about the TED, let me know what you think of it afterwards

What can I say, I want to be in flow! I mean all of us are there at one point or another, but we need more of those moments.

maybe for things where improvisation adds to the experience, like poker, dance and arts, people won't be easily substituted by machines

Don't know about arts and dance, but in poker they won't.  

oh, I remember these poker games on television too, that was fun, having this small camera that showed the cards

definitely way more emotion and adrenaline going on that only playing online, or watching online games

They are still there. I don't have TV, but I watch them regularly on YouTube. Of course they are never really live, and they have never been, but that doesn't make them less entertaining.

yes! I like the idea that "Flow is the fuel for learning"
all society would definitely benefit of more people being in flow for more time.

yes, its nice to watch poker games sometimes, never thought about searching for it online
I don't have a tv either

[Fredomago]

Well, the best way to learn these kinds of gambling games is by experience because without experience the opponents who already have a lot of experience in gambling could have more advantages than you. He knows how things work so definitely they can play bluffing or tricking the enemy through actions and such. IMO, it's easy to play like a pro once you've learned about the probability and how to act in different situations, I bet you'll gonna have more wins.

Well, it's more on the confidence level and the amount of money you actually have. I admit, skill is required when playing games like poker, but really, the bare necessity in actually trying to fight pros is that you must have enough bankroll to actually do so. Only then would the competition actually have sense, since only then would players actually showcase their real skill, unlike casual matches. That requirement is actually a massive influence in how you play, so it's honestly going to take a lot of time.

Not saying that I agree with good bankroll as if you don't have the right skills, you'll just keep losing your money. Though if staying longer due to good bankroll allows you to keep adjusting and if you are learning from each game that you are playing, the very chance that you'll be able to play like a pro.

Not always possible but it's there, when experienced already gives you confidence poker or other same a like skills games would allow you to enjoy and earned decent profits.

[ethereumhunter]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

That will be a good lesson for people who wants to learn more details about poker, especially how to play better like a pro, how to bluff the opponent, or how to calm down when we do not have a good card so our opponent does not think that we can win from them and else. But it is hard to learn one by one of the lessons since that needs a focus to understand the point of the lessons. That is what someone needs to do when he wants to be a pro poker player.

Well, the best way to learn these kinds of gambling games is by experience because without experience the opponents who already have a lot of experience in gambling could have more advantages than you. He knows how things work so definitely they can play bluffing or tricking the enemy through actions and such. IMO, it's easy to play like a pro once you've learned about the probability and how to act in different situations, I bet you'll gonna have more wins.

Maybe we can play without any tension to get the experience in a poker game as that is our reason to know how they play. We can observe what they do while playing the game and if they use some trick, we need to observe so maybe we can get the point of that. A pro poker will have a different way to trick the opponent and that is something that can not learn quickly, so we need to watch them play. When we can have much experience playing with them, that can improve our skills because we can know how to play better than the opponent.

[hahay]

Well, the best way to learn these kinds of gambling games is by experience because without experience the opponents who already have a lot of experience in gambling could have more advantages than you. He knows how things work so definitely they can play bluffing or tricking the enemy through actions and such. IMO, it's easy to play like a pro once you've learned about the probability and how to act in different situations, I bet you'll gonna have more wins.

Well, it's more on the confidence level and the amount of money you actually have. I admit, skill is required when playing games like poker, but really, the bare necessity in actually trying to fight pros is that you must have enough bankroll to actually do so. Only then would the competition actually have sense, since only then would players actually showcase their real skill, unlike casual matches. That requirement is actually a massive influence in how you play, so it's honestly going to take a lot of time.

Not saying that I agree with good bankroll as if you don't have the right skills, you'll just keep losing your money. Though if staying longer due to good bankroll allows you to keep adjusting and if you are learning from each game that you are playing, the very chance that you'll be able to play like a pro.

Not always possible but it's there, when experienced already gives you confidence poker or other same a like skills games would allow you to enjoy and earned decent profits.

Yes, a large bankroll is not a top priority, because when you have experience at least you will be able to start with a low bankroll and be able to make it increase. So, in this case it is clear that the experience of many hours of playing will make you have many better strategies and plans but indeed, gambling is not always smooth but with self-confidence that has been formed from the experience you have, at least you will be able to have better control. But indeed, money is the main thing for us to be able to sit down but it can only be used sufficiently and we don't have to force it to start with a lot of money.

[Lanatsa]

Yes, a large bankroll is not a top priority, because when you have experience at least you will be able to start with a low bankroll and be able to make it increase. So, in this case it is clear that the experience of many hours of playing will make you have many better strategies and plans but indeed, gambling is not always smooth but with self-confidence that has been formed from the experience you have, at least you will be able to have better control. But indeed, money is the main thing for us to be able to sit down but it can only be used sufficiently and we don't have to force it to start with a lot of money.

This is the beauty when you do deal up with strategic type of games on where you could really make out some advantage if you are really good on handling out the game.It wont really matter much if you do only have small bankroll or capital to make use.

Strategic type of games like poker and other card games is  really good to learn on and same goes on entertaining yourself aside on playing with dice or automated games
and you do just simply wait up for the results or outcome but well this is talking about self preference.

[blockman]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

That will be a good lesson for people who wants to learn more details about poker, especially how to play better like a pro, how to bluff the opponent, or how to calm down when we do not have a good card so our opponent does not think that we can win from them and else. But it is hard to learn one by one of the lessons since that needs a focus to understand the point of the lessons. That is what someone needs to do when he wants to be a pro poker player.

Those are some guides that everyone can watch but nothing beats to the actual experience when they're already playing poker. The way others might bluff you will also be helpful to you because you get the strategy.
When to fold, when to raise and also other things that one can learn from experiences. It's always the best teacher and you'll grow by gaining more experience if you want to be a good poker player.

[molsewid]

This is the beauty when you do deal up with strategic type of games on where you could really make out some advantage if you are really good on handling out the game. It wont really matter much if you do only have small bankroll or capital to make use.

Strategic type of games like poker and other card games is  really good to learn on and same goes on entertaining yourself aside on playing with dice or automated games
and you do just simply wait up for the results or outcome but well this is talking about self preference.

I remember when I was a child I used to watched those older people playing gambling sometimes I spend a lot of my time watching them playing and by looking at the faces of the poker player I could say that they are in a serious mode of game. This is one of the game that I've known which require skills and luck at the same time. The good thing about this kind of game is that when you are more experienced than on your opponent you have the advantage to win the game.

[ethereumhunter]

the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

That will be a good lesson for people who wants to learn more details about poker, especially how to play better like a pro, how to bluff the opponent, or how to calm down when we do not have a good card so our opponent does not think that we can win from them and else. But it is hard to learn one by one of the lessons since that needs a focus to understand the point of the lessons. That is what someone needs to do when he wants to be a pro poker player.

Those are some guides that everyone can watch but nothing beats to the actual experience when they're already playing poker. The way others might bluff you will also be helpful to you because you get the strategy.
When to fold, when to raise and also other things that one can learn from experiences. It's always the best teacher and you'll grow by gaining more experience if you want to be a good poker player.

You are right. At least, if we watch the lessons, we can know how to apply the strategy to the real game, which can improve our skills and experience. If we are often playing poker, I am sure that we will benefit from the lesson and maybe we can make our own strategy or modify from the existing strategy. But do not forget that we need time before we can master the lesson and it needs more practice to have that skills.