When will the vaccination end?

[Tash]

To date only 34337 died in Europe from the vaccine and over 3 million injured, no need to end it just now. At this rate it will take a long time for:

Bill Gates: If We Do A Really Great Job On New Vaccines, We Could Reduce The Human Population By 15%

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dKIfUZZ3Sn1Q/

US maybe a bit more successful 400 000? or even 820,000 but still long way of target (15 percent of 333,749,517 = 50,062,427)
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-27-study-400000-people-america-died-covid-vaccines.html

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[BernyJB]

And there you have it! First you run your mouth, talking all kinds of shit about  "us simpletons" who choose to use our brains for a change, and then, when somebody calls you up on it, you try to back up and save face at the same time, God forbid somebody might figure you're full of shit. Pitiful, really.

Maybe you forgot already, but you are the guy who favors gene therapy to be forced into other people's bodies and threatening fatal assaults such as forced relocations into concentrations zones against people who resist.

Your problem is that if you just leave everyone alone you won't get what you, for whatever reason, want.  People will go on with their business living, transacting, etc, as though nothing happened (because basically nothing but the seasonal common cold actually did happen.)  You neurotic freaks will be the only ones effected and it's all in your minds.  Ergo YOU need corp/gov to marshal jack-boot thugs in order to get what you want.

If there is a God, I thank Him for doing me a solid by not making me like you.

Maybe I did. Can you be nice enough and show me when did I EVER mention gene therapy, either in favor or against?

I'll wait.

Just so you know, my problem (at least in your kind's opinion) is I DON'T TALK ABOUT THINGS I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. You should try it.

Again, being you have such a problem with me and everybody like me, you now have a golden opportunity to MAN UP AND GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE.

Again, why do you care so much about me? I'm only one guy among 8 billion.
You have a crush?
Just for the record, I like women, and even among them I EXCLUSIVELY like those with a brain between their ears, so you're  0 for 2. Sorry.   
So, once again, stop making excuses and trying to change the subject, and GET THE FUCK OUT.
Stop talking like a man, and start acting like one.

[Gyfts]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-vaccine-4th-dose.html

It's interesting to see Israel to explore even more boosters, which even the health experts are saying it's too much as the NYT admits.

The goal needs to be clear -- is stopping transmission the the goal, or is stopping hospitalization/death the goal? For some, the goal is endemic governmental control because the risk calculation pertaining to Covid is incomputable, so they need government to step in and tell them how to live their life. Vaccines won't do much anymore in stopping someone from getting an infection. The prevalence of variants with higher transmissibility make this impossible. You cannot simply introduce some number of boosters every time a new variant begins to propagate. It doesn't work, it's not practicable. Therefore, the goal should shift from "zero Covid" to "zero hospitalization/death". Though, zero hospitalization/death this possible either, but the number can get fairly low with the introduction of new therapeutics. Israel will probably ignore all of this.

[bitserve]

To date only 31337 died in Europe from the vaccine and over 3 million injured, no need to end it just now.

FTFY!

[Gosgosking]

Time will tell, as for now their is not idea. Like this time their new cases of the covid-19 that is occurring daily . So the vaccination is still going as to help in preventing and treating this deadly disease.

[Tash]

Time will tell, as for now their is not idea. Like this time their new cases of the covid-19 that is occurring daily . So the vaccination is still going as to help in preventing and treating this deadly disease.

Hang on, you say what?
Ah i see vaccination not finished some work to be done.

[af_newbie]

It is like asking when will medications end?

Vaccinations will be available for as long as the human species is alive and well.

After humans become extinct, other organisms will take over the reins and become apex predators.

[Cnut237]

The goal needs to be clear -- is stopping transmission the the goal, or is stopping hospitalization/death the goal? For some, the goal is endemic governmental control because the risk calculation pertaining to Covid is incomputable, so they need government to step in and tell them how to live their life. Vaccines won't do much anymore in stopping someone from getting an infection. The prevalence of variants with higher transmissibility make this impossible. You cannot simply introduce some number of boosters every time a new variant begins to propagate. It doesn't work, it's not practicable. Therefore, the goal should shift from "zero Covid" to "zero hospitalization/death". Though, zero hospitalization/death this possible either, but the number can get fairly low with the introduction of new therapeutics. Israel will probably ignore all of this.

The goal has to be zero (or very low) hospitalisation or death. I think the issue is that from the start, a worryingly high proportion of people who contracted the virus then went on to develop severe symptoms... so the only way to get zero deaths was to have zero cases. However, with omicron, yes, it does appear that symptoms are much milder (on average) and the variant is much more transmissible.

It would appear that letting anti-vaxxers contract omicron will lead to fewer deaths than letting them catch the original strain, and will help to build immunity within the population, so might be a reasonable strategy.

And yes this thing will not go away, it's too embedded now around the world, and new variants will continue to arise. And we are reaching the point where it's no longer a novel virus, in which case the threat of severe symptoms lessens.

However, the threat will still be there even if to a lesser extent. As everyone anticipated, it will become something like flu, and will be managed in the same way.

It certainly doesn't mean that vaccines will no longer be any use, there will still be a strong case for annual boosters, at least for more vulnerable people. But the need for lockdowns and masks may be coming to an end, and the need to avoid catching it, once everyone has either been fully vaccinated or has had omicron, becomes less relevant.

[cmg777]

Face it, we are under a big pharma subscription plan where pills that must be refilled once a month, we now have vaccines that must be taken once a year, once every 6 months, once a month (coming soon?). At best case, big pharma just wants to make a buck off you that choose to submit to their regiments. Is this to cure me you might ask? The answer to that is no this is just to "treat" you so big phrama and the medical industrial complex can bilk as much money from you. At worst case, (I believe both cases are valid together) this is just another experiment to see what you'll put up with in addition to being test subjects to this vaccine. The vaccine is both a test of how the elite can live forever through gene treatment and how to cull the masses using the treatment (easier).  Overall, my answer is it never ends until enough of us say "no" loudly about it.

CNN's
@kaitlancollins: "It sounds like this decision had just as much to do with business as it did the science."

@CDCDirector
 Dr. Rochelle Walensky: "It really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate."

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1476181419063971840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1476181419063971840%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1

[tvbcof]

Maybe I did. Can you be nice enough and show me when did I EVER mention gene therapy, either in favor or against?

I'll wait.

Just so you know, my problem (at least in your kind's opinion) is I DON'T TALK ABOUT THINGS I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. You should try it.

You talk about experimental gene therapy and forcing everyone to be a test subject for it every time you open your mouth but are too ignorant to realize it.  Go back to before the plandemic before the marketing people informed the scientists that it would be better to use different terminology for PR reasons and you'll find Moderna crowing about their method of re-programming cellular machinery by inserting genes and calling it gene therapy quite proudly.

Again, being you have such a problem with me and everybody like me, you now have a golden opportunity to MAN UP AND GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE.

I actually did.  I set 1/1/2020 as the date to be hunkered down off-shore because I could tell that something was afoot, and I achieved that objective.  I even walked away from what's probably a million dollar estate and 4 years of hard work building the rural place of my dreams.  I can assure you that it wasn't ankle-biter twats like you that I was concerned about though.

Again, why do you care so much about me? I'm only one guy among 8 billion.
You have a crush?
Just for the record, I like women, and even among them I EXCLUSIVELY like those with a brain between their ears, so you're  0 for 2. Sorry.   
So, once again, stop making excuses and trying to change the subject, and GET THE FUCK OUT.
Stop talking like a man, and start acting like one.

Wow.  Pretty juvi for someone who claims to have been around for 50+ years.  That answers the question about whether you are just a believing minion or someone who understands things at a somewhat deeper level.  Clearly you are one of the several billion gulped down the kool-aid without a second thought.  Have a nice death.

[Cnut237]

Face it, we are under a big pharma subscription plan where pills that must be refilled once a month, we now have vaccines that must be taken once a year, once every 6 months, once a month (coming soon?). At best case, big pharma just wants to make a buck off you that choose to submit to their regiments.

Seems unlikely. Soon, most people (in developed countries) will have been either fully vaccinated, or have some immunity from contracting the milder but more transmissible omicron variant. This is ceasing to be a novel virus, as immunity builds within the population. As Gyfts mentioned above, the goal should be zero (or very low) cases of hospitalisation or death. At the start, with no immunity and a relatively high chance of severe symptoms for those who got infected, the focus was on ensuring zero (or very low) cases. There is now starting to be a separation of cases and deaths. Soon, Covid-19 should be able to be managed in the same way as something like flu. Which probably means annual boosters for the most vulnerable people, but everyone else can catch it with very low chance of severe symptoms. So no more lockdowns, masks, general vaccination drives, etc.

I don't see the 'big pharma' side that you see, but this is probably because I'm from a country where healthcare is free, and the major vaccine provider (AZ) is supplying vaccines at cost, with no profit motive. But I do appreciate that people in any industry will try to make money where they can... and my attitude to veterinarians (pet healthcare is not free here, and a $2 antibiotic will cost ~$100 if supplied by a vet) is somewhat similar to your attitude to medicine. But this means that some people see the pandemic as a means to exploit the public and make a profit, it doesn't mean they have orchestrated the whole thing.

[Tash]

......... I'm from a country where healthcare is free, ..........

Ah that must be mystical free energy country some people keep speaking about. At my place there is no such thing as a free lunch.
The idea of creating something out of nothing is encompassed by endites like gnomes, goblins,  talking animals, trolls, unicorn, idiots, elves...

[Gyfts]

The goal has to be zero (or very low) hospitalisation or death.

Well, good luck with zero hospitalization or death because it's not happening and it's unrealistic. Covid is as controlled as it's ever going to be, and it's mostly older people without any natural immunity, vaccinations, or already unhealthy that are dying at this point. Most civil societies can continue on, as they must. The virus will mutate "down" in lethality even further after omicron, so it's over. Meanwhile, if you're keen on stopping death, start with obesity, heart disease, diabetes, smoking, and drug addiction because they're more deadly to society than Covid.

[Cnut237]

......... I'm from a country where healthcare is free, ..........

Ah that must be mystical free energy country some people keep speaking about. At my place there is no such thing as a free lunch.
The idea of creating something out of nothing is encompassed by endites like gnomes, goblins,  talking animals, trolls, unicorn, idiots, elves...

Free at the point of delivery. For most people this is quite obvious, but some people need everything to be spelled out for them.

trolls [...] idiots

The goal has to be zero (or very low) hospitalisation or death.

Well, good luck with zero hospitalization or death because it's not happening and it's unrealistic. Covid is as controlled as it's ever going to be, and it's mostly older people without any natural immunity, vaccinations, or already unhealthy that are dying at this point. Most civil societies can continue on, as they must. The virus will mutate "down" in lethality even further after omicron, so it's over.

You manage to disagree even when I'm agreeing with you, which is quite an achievement. Of course zero is unattainable, hence my comment in parentheses. In practice, "very low" is the aim. Covid is not yet "as controlled as it's ever going to be", although this statement might be true fairly soon once omicron has worked its way through the population. And even in developing, low-vaccination nations such as South Africa, the immunity conferred by omicron will help against future waves. Yes, it appears we are nearing (but not yet at) the end.

Meanwhile, if you're keen on stopping death, start with obesity, heart disease, diabetes, smoking, and drug addiction because they're more deadly to society than Covid.

"People die from A, therefore we shouldn't treat B" isn't a great argument. Besides, the last year has shown that Covid deaths can largely be prevented with cheap vaccines. If you can save millions of lives, then why not do so?

[Tash]

..............
Covid deaths can largely be prevented with cheap vaccines. .............

You must be the one paying for the "cheap"  (or free as u claim) hundred dollar shots for the millions of people who earn less than a dollar a day.
It ain't me that much is certain.
Maybe your country has priorities wrong way round.

[tvbcof]

..............
Covid deaths can largely be prevented with cheap vaccines. .............

You must be the one paying for the "cheap"  (or free as u claim) hundred dollar shots for the millions of people who earn less than a dollar a day.
It ain't me that much is certain.
Maybe your country has priorities wrong way round.

If, by definition, vaccines are 'safe' and never cause any problem, and all problems start out by ruling out vaccination/injection as a possible contributing factor, then the economic costs are minimal and they are 'cheap'.  On (cooked) paper.

As the covaids scamdemic has made crystal clear, this happy economic situation can be maintained rather easily.  You just need to make it clear to the entire medical industry that it is off-limits to upset the apple-cart and they need to studiously avoid treading on vaccine dogma when practicing medicine at grave risks to their careers.  Only a tiny minority of doctors/nurses/researchers have the ethical will resist, and when they are purged it will be smooth sailing.

Doctors clearly sided with Big Pharma and against the people in massive numbers.  It remains to be seen if this ultimately turns out to be a good decision.  I'll bet it will not because they swing whether their 'friends' at Big Pharma win (they'll be used as the scapegoats) or whether the peeps come out on top and they are culpable for the punishment they richly deserve for their malfeasance.  I wouldn't want to be a doctor (or nurse or scientists or hospital administrator) right now, and if I was, I would be bowing out of the industry (and documenting why) and looking to flip burgers for a while to make ends meet.

[Gyfts]

You manage to disagree even when I'm agreeing with you, which is quite an achievement. Of course zero is unattainable, hence my comment in parentheses. In practice, "very low" is the aim. Covid is not yet "as controlled as it's ever going to be", although this statement might be true fairly soon once omicron has worked its way through the population. And even in developing, low-vaccination nations such as South Africa, the immunity conferred by omicron will help against future waves. Yes, it appears we are nearing (but not yet at) the end.

I don't think my definition of "low Covid" is at all consistent with your definition of "low Covid" at all. I don't care if people die from Covid, because people die every day from things out of their control. It only becomes a problem when many people are dying from Covid and there is no way to manage, or when Covid death rates are out of control.

We can manage Covid, we have therapuetics. So from a public health standpoint, Covid is over. No need for mandates, government interference, or any such aggressive enforcement tactics seen all over the world in Australia, Austria, Germany, France, (need I go on).

But government won't let this go, they love having power.

[TwitchySeal]

But government won't let this go, they love having power.

Kind of hard to just let it go when "they" are also responsible for hospitals, and supply chains, and roads and a million other things that pretty much everyone else takes for granted.  Hospitals are 20-30% more full in major metro areas right now because of covid patients, mostly unvaccinated.  Might not seem like a big deal, but consistently having 70%+ of your ICU beds unavailable poses serious risks to the entire population.  There's a very good chance many of them are at capacity in the next few weeks, which is a very bad situation.  They're expanding as fast as they can, but they also don't have the staff because there just literally aren't enough trained people to do the jobs.

And then there's the smaller hospitals with much higher unvaccinated populations that are getting clobbered or could be any time now.  

Would take a special kind of stupid to just "let this go". Of course, we'd be much closer to putting this all behind us if it weren't for the same special kind of stupid that's making everyone throw tantrums about having to keep their nose and mouth covered when close to other people or get another vaccine just like anyone that went to public school, or college, or pretty much any doctor as a child.

[Tash]

Getting our airbags the first time makes sure the second time will work when you buy your third one. But to get extra protection, the fourth airbag you buy that didn’t work the first few times will make sure that your fifth booster bag works. Always use airbags to protect other drivers on the road.

[TwitchySeal]

Getting our airbags the first time makes sure the second time will work when you buy your third one. But to get extra protection, the fourth airbag you buy that didn’t work the first few times will make sure that your fifth booster bag works. Always use airbags to protect other drivers on the road.

Wipe your ass after you take your first shit.  But don't let them make you wipe your ass after the second.  Because you know a third shit is coming the next morning and Big TP is gonna try and get you to wipe your ass after that one.  Before you know it you're gonna be wiping your ass every day like it's normal, putting micro chips up your butthole to help power the 5g towers so Bill Gates can farm your dna, all while lining the pockets of Big TP like the sheep you were meant to be.

If they don't want my ass to be all shitty and nasty they better stop telling me to wipe it!  Freedom!