Do ALL vaccines kill people?

[BADecker]

Do vaccines kill people?


The CDC says through VAERS - https://www.openvaers.com/ - that some vaccines kill some people. No vote necessary, except if you don't believe what the medical says in part. And another part of the medical says that less than 1% of vaccine adverse events that should have been reported to VAERS, is all that has been reported to VAERS. That makes for a whole lot more deaths than VAERS shows... like 99% of the vaccine deaths not being shown in VAERS.


Does the Covid virus kill people? The CDC says that it does. But they also say that 94% of the deaths from Covid have comorbidities in existence with the Covid. In other words, the people died from one or more of the comorbidities. Some of the time it was mostly Covid, and some of the time it was any number of things other than Covid, or a combination of them any of it. The determinations of cause of death are all judgemental by the doctors who rarely ever do an autopsy to find what the cause of death really was.


That leads us to a peculiar question. Do ALL vaccines kill people? No, of course not. There are people who die from car accidents, that obviously wouldn't have died otherwise. And there are lots of deaths from things other than vaccines. So, let's refine the question.

Do all vaccines kill vaccinated people, who would have otherwise died from old age? This is highly possible... that ALL vaccines kill vaccinated people who looked like they died from the comorbidity of death. Nobody knows for a fact that a person might or might not have lived ten more years if he had never been vaccinated.

You can do studies across the board for people who look very similar in life, but those studies might take 50 years or longer. And they would have to take into account multitudes of variables that people have in their lives. Such studies that might have a chance at being rather accurate, simply haven't been done in a large enough cross-section of the population, in such a way that they could be deemed accurate.

And on top of it, the whole thing would would be done by the medical (who bows to Big Pharma) so that absolutely NOBODY could have any idea if they had not been manipulated to favor the idea that vaccines are good.

For all we know, vaccines might be one of the biggest, most subtle killers out there.

[Lorence.xD]

The things that were put on the vaccines are tamed and weak version of the disease so it is highly unlikely that it will kill someone plus if it was administered to infants, it is different because infants have a stronger immune system compared to an adult, that's why some of the vaccines are added during these times, they exploit the immunity of the child to put an immunity against something. If vaccines do kill people, then how come we don't see a lot of polio deaths because a lot of people have been vaccinated with polio vaccine?

[BADecker]

^^^ Good story. But who has done a big enough study - like, to old-age death - on enough people in enough groups of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated to determine who has lived longer?

But if these studies have been done, it would be the medical who did them; can we trust them? I mean, who would have ever thought that there could be 4,000 to 400,000 deaths from the Covid vaccines, if VAERS hadn't reported it? How many deaths are there, really?

What's really going on? Any other company would shut themselves down voluntarily if there were even a couple of deaths from their products. But not the corrupt medical.

[Cnut237]

For all we know, vaccines might be one of the biggest, most subtle killers out there.

It's lucky that we have vast quantities of data from numerous independent and reputable sources around the world, otherwise we might have to fall back on baseless conjecture.

[franky1]

had second vaccine other day.
no arm ache this time
maybe a bit of fatigue. but then again i am up at weird hours communicating with businesses in different time zones so its not really a symptom thats any different then i normally get

but im still not dead.

anyway..
37million UK folk have had the vaccine...
.. there's not been 37mill deaths
.. there's not been 370k deaths(1%)
.. there's not been 37k deaths(0.1%) related to being caused by or associated or within timeframe of vaccine
.. there's not been 3k deaths(0.01%) related to being caused by or associated or within timeframe of vaccine
.. there's not been 300 deaths(0.001%) related to being caused by or associated or within timeframe of vaccine

[Natsuu]

For all we know, vaccines might be one of the biggest, most subtle killers out there.

It's lucky that we have vast quantities of data from numerous independent and reputable sources around the world, otherwise we might have to fall back on baseless conjecture.

Indeed, how lucky we are right now that this sources are open for anyone who wants to read.

[BADecker]

For all we know, vaccines might be one of the biggest, most subtle killers out there.

It's lucky that we have vast quantities of data from numerous independent and reputable sources around the world, otherwise we might have to fall back on baseless conjecture.

Did you keep them all in the little inside pocket of your other suit?

Good thing all those studies are there, though, right?

[virasog]

The things that were put on the vaccines are tamed and weak version of the disease so it is highly unlikely that it will kill someone plus if it was administered to infants, it is different because infants have a stronger immune system compared to an adult, that's why some of the vaccines are added during these times, they exploit the immunity of the child to put an immunity against something. If vaccines do kill people, then how come we don't see a lot of polio deaths because a lot of people have been vaccinated with polio vaccine?

We will never know the side effects of these vaccine. What if you were supposed to live for 80 years but by taking these vaccines , we might live 60 years. The vaccine has eaten up our 10-20 years which we will never know. Maybe polio vaccine was harmless but with this covid-19 vaccine, there is an agenda to kill the population and control the world. Same is the reason why in the first place this covid-19 virus was developed.

[BADecker]

^^^ But click this link - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=polio+paralysis+vaccine+india&t=ffab&ia=web - to see all the paralysis in India that the polio vaccine did.

[virasog]

^^^ But click this link - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=polio+paralysis+vaccine+india&t=ffab&ia=web - to see all the paralysis in India that the polio vaccine did.

That's a shame really. Why doesn't government or the law enforcement agencies take any action against these pharmaceutical companies who are giving poison in the name of vaccine  Why the media does not speak in these issue 
They should not be allowed to play with the life's of the children. 

[Cnut237]

^^^ But click this link - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=polio+paralysis+vaccine+india&t=ffab&ia=web - to see all the paralysis in India that the polio vaccine did.

I normally counter your misinformation by providing links to data - in this instance I don't really need to, as the second link in the search results debunks your claim for me. Nevertheless...

You can go to the World Health Organisation website, and filter for vaccine-derived polio (cVDPV) cases in India since 2000: https://extranet.who.int/polis/public/CaseCount.aspx
The results? 17 cases in total. Quite a contrast with the reported 496,000 incidents of paralysis - for which, as usual for these 'think of a random big number' claims, there is absolutely zero evidence.

You can also read about how this particular anti-vaxxer hoax spread on Facebook, here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/23/facebook-posts/anti-vaxxers-spread-conspiracy-about-bill-gates-an/
The post was also tagged by Facebook as 'false or misleading'.

Or you could just skip all that, and look at the data for polio here: https://ourworldindata.org/polio
If you start from the facts, and develop an understanding that way, then you'll give little credence to the manipulative anti-vaxxer WuHaN LaB BiG PhArMa mInD CoNtRoL BiLl gAtEs 5G MiCrOcHiP stuff.


Anti-vaxxers are not just wrong, they're dangerous. If they had their way, they'd bring back both polio and smallpox. Anyone who makes outrageous claims, but is unwilling to supply supporting data, must be regarded with a huge degree of skepticism.

[BADecker]

^^^ But click this link - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=polio+paralysis+vaccine+india&t=ffab&ia=web - to see all the paralysis in India that the polio vaccine did.

I normally counter your misinformation by providing links to data - in this instance I don't really need to, as the second link in the search results debunks your claim for me. Nevertheless...

You can go to the World Health Organisation website, and filter for vaccine-derived polio (cVDPV) cases in India since 2000: https://extranet.who.int/polis/public/CaseCount.aspx
The results? 17 cases in total. Quite a contrast with the reported 496,000 incidents of paralysis - for which, as usual for these 'think of a random big number' claims, there is absolutely zero evidence.

You can also read about how this particular anti-vaxxer hoax spread on Facebook, here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/23/facebook-posts/anti-vaxxers-spread-conspiracy-about-bill-gates-an/
The post was also tagged by Facebook as 'false or misleading'.

Or you could just skip all that, and look at the data for polio here: https://ourworldindata.org/polio
If you start from the facts, and develop an understanding that way, then you'll give little credence to the manipulative anti-vaxxer WuHaN LaB BiG PhArMa mInD CoNtRoL BiLl gAtEs 5G MiCrOcHiP stuff.


Anti-vaxxers are not just wrong, they're dangerous. If they had their way, they'd bring back both polio and smallpox. Anyone who makes outrageous claims, but is unwilling to supply supporting data, must be regarded with a huge degree of skepticism.

Vaxxers are not just wrong, they're dangerous. If they had their way, they would keep people dying and being harmed from vaccines... which didn't do anything to help with the reduction of polio and smallpox. These diseases and others go away naturally. The medical simply sits around and waits for disease to start going away naturally, and then they administer their vaccines just to say that they made it happen.

[Cnut237]

vaccines... which didn't do anything to help with the reduction of polio and smallpox. These diseases and others go away naturally.

This is an absurd argument.

I can understand initial skepticism around the Covid vaccine... skepticism which should have fallen away over the course of this year as the effects of the vaccine became apparent from the increasing quantities of data.

However the position with polio and smallpox is perfectly clear. The data are utterly conclusive, and go back for many years... as per the charts and links to sources that I have presented many times. You are arguing without putting forward any evidence to support your claims (because there is none), and you are ignoring the vast quantities of evidence that you find inconvenient because it doesn't agree with your pre-established conclusion.

Incidentally, for a nice tie-in with BLM, when you are researching the development of the smallpox vaccine, you will note that an important initial step was the introduction of the procedure of variolation - knowledge brought over to the US by an African slave, who was key to saving lives during an outbreak in Boston.

[tvbcof]

vaccines... which didn't do anything to help with the reduction of polio and smallpox. These diseases and others go away naturally.

This is an absurd argument.
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It's what anyone who can read a chart sees immediately.  Seems that 'they' only make 'vaccines' for things that are on the decline naturally then try to take credit for the 'solution.'

They missed the boat on scarlet fever which was once a big killer and disappeared with no vaccine at all.

 

It's as obvious as the nose on one's face that sanitation and nutrition are the biggest factors on reducing disease.

Image from here:  https://www.activistpost.com/2019/04/can-there-ever-be-a-sensible-discussion-about-vaccines-why-they-are-not-safe.html  Not a big pharma funded NWO rag.

[yazher]

37million UK folk have had the vaccine...
.. there's not been 37mill deaths
.. there's not been 370k deaths(1%)
.. there's not been 37k deaths(0.1%) related to being caused by or associated or within timeframe of vaccine
.. there's not been 3k deaths(0.01%) related to being caused by or associated or within timeframe of vaccine
.. there's not been 300 deaths(0.001%) related to being caused by or associated or within timeframe of vaccine

I think that's the best result you could ever get for an entire country and also good for you, you survived the last dose.

may I know which vaccine did you take?

You see, we have some doubts about it right now since one of the best people in our community died after taking the vaccine.
they only find out that her immune system is not strong to take the side effect of the vaccine which lead to her death.
now everyone is more cautious before taking any vaccine, even if their blood pressure is high they won't take any vaccine until it became normal again.
Others have gone to some sort of test for their immune system to make sure that they will have no problem taking the vaccine.

[BADecker]

Remember one thing about deaths and their cause. It's doctors and medically trained people who do most of the cause of death evals. Medical people are naturally biased against vaccine deaths from their training. The whole batch of them.

I suggest that, against their own good desire to be truthful, that their ingrained medical training influences them to make false cause of death diagnoses when it comes down to vaccines... even when they WANT to blame a vaccine.

The guy had a lot to drink at the bar. On his way home, he drove off the road and hit a tree and died in the accident.

But he had no problems with drinling and drive for the last 5 years. And, he had gotten the vaccine a week before. Does anybody ever check to see if there was a connection between the vaccine, and his inability to hold his alcohol this time?




EDIT: They DID do a check. They found that he had some Covid viruses in him - which he didn't have in the testing before the vaccine. So, they called it a Covid death.

[Cnut237]

It's as obvious as the nose on one's face that sanitation and nutrition are the biggest factors on reducing disease.

Firstly, thanks for posting a chart. Most of the times I disagree with someone on here, the other person just posts a link to someone on youtube ranting in his basement as "evidence". This makes a refreshing change!

Secondly, I'm not disputing that sanitation in particular is vital, of course it is, particularly with typhoid. In more deprived countries, better sanitation and access to clean water would lead to a profound reduction in many afflictions - such as schistosomiasis, which is a huge problem (affecting 240 million people globally, and causing an estimated 200,000 deaths a year... DONATE HERE).

But just because one thing is effective, it doesn't mean it's the reason for everything. Let's consider typhoid - and scarlet fever, which you also mention - antibiotics have been hugely important in reducing case numbers for both of these. It's not merely sanitation. Similarly, vaccines are a vitally important weapon in the medical arsenal. If Covid is transmitted primarily through inhalation of respiratory droplets, then everyone washing their hands isn't going to stop the pandemic... whereas vaccines, as the data show, are.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Firstly, thanks for posting a chart.

Whenever a conspiracy nut posts any kind of stats, figures, evidence, etc., you can pretty much guarantee they have been cherry picked to support their opinion, while they conveniently gloss over the actual facts.

Just like in this case, where tvbcof has posted a chart of disease mortality rates. The mortality rates of these diseases reduced over the 20th century because of advances in hospitals, in medical care, in antibiotics, etc. Let's take a look at the actual cases of these diseases, and the introduction of vaccines:





Go blind from the measles? Develop liver cirrhosis from hepatitis B? Heart failure from diphtheria? That doesn't matter to tvbcof because you didn't die so therefore vaccines don't work.

[BADecker]

^^^ Oh BS. Not everybody who doesn't get vaccinated gets harmed by the disease.

Note in the charts above, the medical didn't use the vaccines in a serious way until they saw that the disease was dying down naturally. They were watching for the natural drop so they could take advantage of it, like it was their doing that made the disease go away.

It's the same with Covid. Everybody who looks into it finds that vitamin D and no masks keeps people way healthier than masks and locking down. Mask and lockdown promotions cause people to not get enough natural vitamin D, and enough fresh air... and a whole host of other problems.

Just what the medical wanted. Now that Covid is going away naturally, they are trying to say that their vaccines are doing it, and that people can get out into the sun and fresh air again... 'cause their vaccines worked. What a bunch of medical criminals.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Not everybody who doesn't get vaccinated gets harmed by the disease.

Good thing I never said otherwise.

Any other strawmen you want to attack?