Do ALL vaccines kill people?

[BADecker]

Not everybody who doesn't get vaccinated gets harmed by the disease.

Good thing I never said otherwise.

Any other strawmen you want to attack?

Hey, thank you. Hope you have a great day.     

[tvbcof]

Great demonstration of one very common form of fraud that the vaxxers use:

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Note how the vaxx scammers snipped out the years 1900 -> 1912 which shows the steady decline starting well before any vaccines came into the picture.

Another minor technique is to not show how when the vaccine was first introduced in small numbers it resulted in a minor spike.  This is a surprisingly common phenomenon with a number of vaccines I've noticed.  The honest graph shows the actual introduction with a minor note about it's commonality.  The dis-honest one doesn't mention it at all.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Note how the vaxx scammers snipped out the years 1900 -> 1912 which shows the steady decline starting well before any vaccines came into the picture.

Can't wait to see your data to back that up, since the US government only have data on case numbers from 1912 onwards.

[tvbcof]

Note how the vaxx scammers snipped out the years 1900 -> 1912 which shows the steady decline starting well before any vaccines came into the picture.

Can't wait to see your data to back that up, since the US government only have data on case numbers from 1912 onwards.

Maybe your sources snipped out data which didn't support a desirable narrative.

Looks like a fair bit of data about many infectious diseases exist LONG before 1912, and that includes for diphtheria.  e.g., https://www.dolmetsch.com/USDiseaseData1900to1970.html Some guy won a nobel prize for his work on this particular pathogen in 1901, and you are claiming that nobody got around to estimating infection and/or mortality rates until 1912?  Desperate 'doc' is desperate.  Lol.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Lol. Try clicking on "4: Infectious Disease Incidence in US (1900-1970)" at the top to be redirected to table with no data prior to 1912. As with the study you linked to before, maybe try actually reading things rather just assuming the top link from Google supports your nonsense opinions.

[tvbcof]

Lol. Try clicking on "4: Infectious Disease Incidence in US (1900-1970)" at the top to be redirected to table with no data prior to 1912. As with the study you linked to before, maybe try actually reading things rather just assuming the top link from Google supports your nonsense opinions.

3: Infectious Disease Deaths in US (1900-1970) has the data.  I know you are a 'doctor' [chuckle] and not a Mathematician, but the math is pretty straightforward.  Lemme know if you need a hand with it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Maybe spend less time throwing out petty insults and more time reading about the difference between "cases" and "deaths".

Once again, there are no data for case numbers prior to 1912.

[DigitalFox]

It is also a fact that 100% of people who ever ate carrots eventually died. Avoid carrots at all cost.

[BADecker]

It is also a fact that 100% of people who ever ate carrots eventually died. Avoid carrots at all cost.

Rather, do what should have been done with vaccines. After all, vaccines aren't natural. What is it? this...

Get about a million babies together, from all walks of life. Split them into two equal-sized groups. One group give no carrots. The other group, make sure they have at least a few carrots every week. Track them until they die naturally of old age. Check the age statistics.

Then eat carrots or not, based on who lived longer. Do the same with every new vaccine that comes out before giving it to the public... so at least the people know.

[tvbcof]

Maybe spend less time throwing out petty insults and more time reading about the difference between "cases" and "deaths".

Once again, there are no data for case numbers prior to 1912.

Firstly, I'm interested in death rates.  I don't really care to much about infection of ailments which are easy to treat.  E.g., syphilis.

But, OK.  I've given you the data from the only source you will accept (corp/gov).  I even did you a solid by adding in population cause that's the kind of guy I am.

Go ahead and make your argument that diphtheria was not on the decline before the vaccine.  Hint:  It involves Fatality Rate.  I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching you flop about, although I suspect you will take rain-check.

  DR = Death Rate (per 100,000 pop)
  I = Incidence (per 100,000 pop)
  FR = Fatality Rate (per incidence)

Code:

Yr	Pop	  Dip_DR Dip_I  Dip_FR
1900 	76094000  40.3 			
1901 	77584000  33.6		 	
1902 	79163000  29.8		 	
1903 	80632000  31.1		 	
1904 	82266000  29.3		 	
1905 	83822000  23.5		 	
1906 	85450000  26.3		 	
1907 	87008000  24.2		 	
1908 	88710000  21.9		 	
1909 	90490000  19.9 			
1910 	92407000  21.1		 	
1911 	93863000  18.4		 	
1912 	95335000  17.6 	 139 	12.66% 
1913 	97225000  18.1 	 142.1 	12.74% 
1914 	99111000  17.2 	 152.5 	11.28% 
1915 	100546000 15.2	 132.7 	11.45% 
1916 	101961000 13.9   129.2 	10.76% 
1917 	103268000 15.6	 133 	11.73% 
1918 	103208000 14 	 101.5 	13.79% 
1919 	104514000 14.9	 144.7 	10.30% 
1920 	106461000 15.3	 139 	11.01% 
1921 	108538000 17.7	 190.7 	9.28%  
1922 	110049000 14.6	 156.7 	9.32%  
1923 	111947000 12 	 131.4 	9.13%  
1924 	114109000 9.3 	 105.6 	8.81%  
1925 	115829000 7.8 	 82.1 	9.50%  
1926 	117397000 7.4 	 80.7 	9.17%  
1927 	119035000 7.7 	 89.8 	8.57%  
1928 	120509000 7.2 	 75.9 	9.49%  
1929 	121767000 6.5 	 70.1 	9.27%  
1930 	123077000 4.9	 54.1 	9.06%  
1931 	124040000 4.8	 57.1 	8.41%  
1932 	124840000 4.4	 48 	9.17%  
1933 	125579000 3.9	 40.2 	9.70%  
1934 	126374000 3.3	 34.1 	9.68%  
1935 	127250000 3.1	 30.8 	10.06% 
1936 	128053000 2.4	 23.4 	10.26% 
1937 	128825000 2 	 22.2 	9.01%  
1938 	129825000 2 	 23.5 	8.51%  
1939 	130880000 1.5	 18.4 	8.15%  
1940 	131954000 1.1 	 11.8 	9.32%  
1941 	133121000 1 	 13.5 	7.41%  
1943 	132885000 0.9	 11 	8.18%  
1944 	132481000 0.9	 10.6 	8.49%  
1945 	140054000 1.2	 14.1 	8.51%  
1946 	143446000 0.9 	 11.7 	7.69%  
1947 	146093000 0.6	 8.5 	7.06%  
1948 	148665000 0.4	 6.5 	6.15%  
1949 	151235000 0.4	 5.4 	7.41%  
1950 	153310000 0.3	 8.8 	3.41%  
1951 	155687000 0.2	 2.6 	7.69%  
1952 	158242000 0.1	 1.9 	5.26%  
1953 	161164000 0.1	 1.5 	6.67%  
1954 	164308000 0.1	 1.3 	7.69%  
1955 	167306000 0.1	 1.2 	8.33%  
1956 	170371000 0.1	 0.9 	11.11% 	
1957 	173320000 	 0.7 		
1958 	176289000 	 0.5 		
1959 	177135000  	 0.5 		
1960 	179979000 	 0.5 		
1961 	182992000 	 0.3 		
1962 	185771000 	 0.2 		
1963 	188483000 	 0.2 		
1964 	191141000 	 0.2 		
1965 	193526000 	 0.1 		
1966 	195576000 	 0.1 		
1967 	197457000 	 0.1 		
1968 	199399000 	 0.1 		
1969 	201385000 	 0.1 		
1970 	203810000 	 0.2

In an effort to provide some remedial medical education for the good 'doctor', I'll point out a shocking observation:

Turns out that when sewage is put into a ditch and transferred away from a living area, and when wells are sealed against surface water contamination, diseases such as diphtheria magically diminish!  Who could have known?

The trend toward better sanitation and better nutrition certainly didn't cease when the 'vaccine' was introduced in the 1920's.

[Natsuu]

It is also a fact that 100% of people who ever ate carrots eventually died. Avoid carrots at all cost.

Rather, do what should have been done with vaccines. After all, vaccines aren't natural. What is it? this...

Get about a million babies together, from all walks of life. Split them into two equal-sized groups. One group give no carrots. The other group, make sure they have at least a few carrots every week. Track them until they die naturally of old age. Check the age statistics.

Then eat carrots or not, based on who lived longer. Do the same with every new vaccine that comes out before giving it to the public... so at least the people know.

Abstract
Twenty five children who had undergone their full course of childhood immunization schedule were compared with 25 children who did not have any vaccinations for a period of five years. Parameters for comparison were measles, pertussis, poliomyelitis, tetanus and tuberculosis. Out of the 25 vaccinated children, only one child had mild measles at 2 1/2 years while 4 had suspected whooping cough at different points of the study period but not clinically diagnosed as pertussis. Among the unvaccinated group, 2 died of measles before the age of 3 years while 11 others went down with measles during an outbreak in 1986. An unvaccinated child also died of tetanus within the study period. In this paper we advocate the total integration of every community in the ongoing Expanded Programme for Immunization in Nigeria.

Well this articles shows something so give it a quick look 

[o_e_l_e_o]

Firstly, I'm interested in death rates.

That's my entire point. You deliberately cherry pick statistics that you think fit your narrative (they don't), much like you tried to cherry pick a study you thought fitted your narrative (it didn't). At least you admit it. Good thing your own copy-paste shows your claim about pre-1912 incidence data was a lie.

Feel free to keep going with the petty insults in lieu of any logic, though.

[dongyi17]

News everywhere that the vaccines lessen the infected everyday, some people who vaccinated some side effect but this is normal specially you have commodities, declare 1st your commodities they find if you available to give the shot. Some say they is business from our government, maybe right because money is involvement in this situation.

[PIR]

No one really can tell the effect of vaccine years after one taking it. if it longer your life or shorten your life... its still under observation.. these experimental drug really somehow has effect those who are weak and has allergy on drug. The reason why others do not take it yet is because they are more afraid of it effect rather its cure..

[Vatimins]

     I think only some are defective or is limited to specific brands like astrazenica. Which was banned here in my place after some people died after taking the second dose of the said vaccine. And just my luck, I was injected with the first dose and now they say that the second dose would be another brand. which is now making me quite skeptical of all the vaccines out there. But despite this, I still believe that vaccinations should continue still since if it doesn't, it would only make way for larger numbers of people getting the virus which is very detrimental for the economy all over the world. This kind of post is really misleading for the people, specially for those that are already doubting the vaccines. Spreading fear will only make things worse. Please stop doing this.

[noorammak]

If all vaccines were deadly, we wouldn't be using them. The truth is that only a small number of vaccines kill people. We cannot avoid risks in vaccination because the human body reacts differently to the ingredients of the medicine and we are not aware of it.

[BADecker]

If all vaccines were deadly, we wouldn't be using them. The truth is that only a small number of vaccines kill people. We cannot avoid risks in vaccination because the human body reacts differently to the ingredients of the medicine and we are not aware of it.

Actually, we use all the deadly vaccines because doctors are deadly and don't even know it, and Big Pharma who knows it likes the money better than live patients.

[Smartvirus]

When it comes to the question on either all vaccines kill people,  the answer would always be no. Not all vaccines are killer agents, some would definitely have some positive effect while others would remain negative. The fact still remains that, its not safe yet to be comfortable with any vaccine with the adverse effect some still pose to humanity thus far. A lot of research and experiments still needs to be carried out and the result shouldn't end at logical conclusions but as facts instead. Facts that rules out any side effect either in the long run or short term. I'm still scared of all the vaccines out there.

[BADecker]

When it comes to the question on either all vaccines kill people,  the answer would always be no. Not all vaccines are killer agents, some would definitely have some positive effect while others would remain negative. The fact still remains that, its not safe yet to be comfortable with any vaccine with the adverse effect some still pose to humanity thus far. A lot of research and experiments still needs to be carried out and the result shouldn't end at logical conclusions but as facts instead. Facts that rules out any side effect either in the long run or short term. I'm still scared of all the vaccines out there.

Bit how do you know this? After all, maybe the vaccines kill at age 70 for some people, when they got vaccinated at age 0. Did you do the study?

How about taking several million babies from around the world. Split them into 2 equal groups. Vaccinate 1 group but not the other. Then track them until they die, and see for sure.

[gagika]

Probably it is but mostly from the complications, lack of awareness when not to give vaccine to a person with disease and when to give. I read some shared post in facebook,his father is ok before he get vaccinated tho his having medication to diabetes butwhen he got the injection his health condition went to total chaos, he had vomitted blood,got high blood pressure and went to vegatative state. His child is asking for some help to doctors but no one is helping them due to high amount of patient to hospital. So I guess,vaccine become an irony instead of saving someones live it becomes your doze of death.