Remains of 215 underage genocide victims found in Kamloops

[bryant.coleman]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57291530

A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children has been found in Canada at a former residential school set up to assimilate indigenous people.

Kamloops Indian Residential School was the largest in the residential system. Opened under Roman Catholic administration in 1890, the school had as many as 500 students when enrolment peaked in the 1950s.

The Roman Catholic church operated dozens of "schools" until 1978 for indigenous children in Canada. Some 150,000 children attended these schools, where they were forcibly converted to the Semitic religion and prohibited from speaking their native language. Official numbers are that 3% of these children were killed and their bodies buried in unmarked graves. However, according to unofficial numbers, the death toll ranged from 15% to 30%. Many more were sexually and physically abused by the clergy who ran these "schools".  

The church has refused to apologize for these murders and till date it hasn't paid a penny in compensation to anyone (similar to the case with all the instances of genocide carried out by Vatican ever since 1492 in the Americas). However in 2009, the Vatican released "an expression of sorrow". Well, that was 6 years before the most well known genocide perpetrator Junípero Serra was promoted as a "saint".

[Poker Player]

I was unaware of this issue. You have to see the barbarities that have been done in the name of God.

As bad as news like this is, I think that humanity is gradually moving towards a world that is less and less violent. You never know if some crazy president will start dropping atomic bombs and we'll all go to hell, but today we are horrified by certain violent behaviours that were quite normalised only a century ago. And if we look back even further, it's even worse. You have to think that the guillotine was a humane method of execution in its day because until then, when people wanted to execute someone, they used to do real barbarities.

[BADecker]

I was unaware of this issue. You have to see the barbarities that have been done in the name of God.

As bad as news like this is, I think that humanity is gradually moving towards a world that is less and less violent. You never know if some crazy president will start dropping atomic bombs and we'll all go to hell, but today we are horrified by certain violent behaviours that were quite normalised only a century ago. And if we look back even further, it's even worse. You have to think that the guillotine was a humane method of execution in its day because until then, when people wanted to execute someone, they used to do real barbarities.

S**t. All you have to do is go to any paper mill in the USA to find good clean Americans cussing at there jobs, or just about anything else... in the name of God. The whole idea of religious institutions is to teach kids to believe in God, and to stop doing evil... including the cussing.

When you consider that Epstein and several US Presidents were active in child sex slavery, finding one or two misguided religious institutions isn't anything.

[Poker Player]

S**t. All you have to do is go to any paper mill in the USA to find good clean Americans cussing at there jobs, or just about anything else... in the name of God. The whole idea of religious institutions is to teach kids to believe in God, and to stop doing evil... including the cussing.

When you consider that Epstein and several US Presidents were active in child sex slavery, finding one or two misguided religious institutions isn't anything.

The fact that there are good people who believe in God does not disprove the fact that real atrocities have been committed in his name. And neither does what Epstein and others have done.

The idea of God is a simple idea that had its function in a primitive world but has no place in a rational and scientific world, unless we consider God as someone who created the Universe in the beginning and then stays completely apart without intervening in it.

[cmg777]

The fact that there are good people who believe in God does not disprove the fact that real atrocities have been committed in his name. And neither does what Epstein and others have done.

The idea of God is a simple idea that had its function in a primitive world but has no place in a rational and scientific world, unless we consider God as someone who created the Universe in the beginning and then stays completely apart without intervening in it.

I agree with you here that people have done both good and bad in the name of their god or if their beliefs differed from Christianity, Islam or Judaism, gods. Let me ask you what is the point of the universe then? If there is no god then why do we exist? What is the purpose of your life? Science might be able to answer this with particle research such as the Higgs Boson. We at least know how we are made up but again these three questions I asked you remain unanswered unanimously by the mass human population. Why in a godless world ruled by science would people like Epstein believe in the devil or other gods such as Baal when according to you they don't exist? Perhaps the god complex gives us a placebo into ourselves that evokes an inner confidence that allows people to act both good and bad. And perhaps the people in the "Catholic" church in the article of this thread were merely acting as such to gain powers and strength from Satan as a form of pagan sacrilege. I could twist further at your claim that science is everything when it can be a religion in and of itself. If I had the news media hype up that I am a scientist and you should believe every word that I say then would I not be a priest myself to you? Would I be considered a cult like figure? If I tell you that you should take certain medications then am I not asking you to take a sacrament? I think I have proven that science can be very much like religion. I just hope that science can do good for the world just as believing in god can help empower people. At the current rate, I feel science is becoming a death cult of old that took down the Ancient Mayan civilizations and Nazi Germany. Everything seems to intertwine and become parallel if you make it to be and where it no longer is well that is doubt and where you find new meanings and correlations to become parallel. The one question about the universe I seem to really understand anymore is that perception is everything in and of itself.    

[Mauser]

The Roman Catholic church operated dozens of "schools" until 1978 for indigenous children in Canada. Some 150,000 children attended these schools, where they were forcibly converted to the Semitic religion and prohibited from speaking their native language. Official numbers are that 3% of these children were killed and their bodies buried in unmarked graves. However, according to unofficial numbers, the death toll ranged from 15% to 30%. Many more were sexually and physically abused by the clergy who ran these "schools".  

The church has refused to apologize for these murders and till date it hasn't paid a penny in compensation to anyone (similar to the case with all the instances of genocide carried out by Vatican ever since 1492 in the Americas). However in 2009, the Vatican released "an expression of sorrow". Well, that was 6 years before the most well known genocide perpetrator Junípero Serra was promoted as a "saint".

Such news make me sick. The church has been controlling lifes and hurting people for hundred of years, why are we not changing anything? I understand that religion is important for many people, but abusing the power you got from the church is just wrong on so many levels. In my country we have atleast one scandal with the church each year, it is not as terrible as the murder, but still. There is tons of negative press and still nothing is changing. The worst thing for me is that there is no prosecution of wrongdoings in the church, if a priest missuses his power he is just sent to another country and not to jail.

[Poker Player]

I agree with you here that people have done both good and bad in the name of their god or if their beliefs differed from Christianity, Islam or Judaism, gods. Let me ask you what is the point of the universe then? If there is no god then why do we exist? 

Better if you separate your ideas into paragraphs instead of writing walls of text.

That your little mind cannot conceive of a universe without purpose does not prove that the Universe must have a purpose. Moreover, that is an anthropocentric projection that assumes that the universe has to function as we are. Those tiny beings that we humans are, we do things with a purpose, but the universe is too big and too complex to have to function exclusively in the simple way that we function.

That is what religions did, imagining an anthropocentric God, who made a universe as if he were a super-powerful human.

As Xenophanes said:

“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.”

[Kittygalore]

It seems that Canadians being a nice person isn't a really good stereotype at all. I knew it that this people are keeping something out of the public, Canadians are like US citizens, they are invaders of the land that wasn't theirs in the first place, they just got away because they got a really good stereotype of being nice.

[Poker Player]

It seems that Canadians being a nice person isn't a really good stereotype at all. I knew it that this people are keeping something out of the public, Canadians are like US citizens, they are invaders of the land that wasn't theirs in the first place, they just got away because they got a really good stereotype of being nice.

I am not 100% clear about what you are saying, I don't know if it is bad wording or what. What is clear to me is that you are stereotyping all Canadians, which is unfair. What fault does anyone born there today have for what certain people did hundreds of years ago? And the same for the case at hand.

[cmg777]

Better if you separate your ideas into paragraphs instead of writing walls of text.

That your little mind cannot conceive of a universe without purpose does not prove that the Universe must have a purpose. Moreover, that is an anthropocentric projection that assumes that the universe has to function as we are. Those tiny beings that we humans are, we do things with a purpose, but the universe is too big and too complex to have to function exclusively in the simple way that we function.

That is what religions did, imagining an anthropocentric God, who made a universe as if he were a super-powerful human.

As Xenophanes said:

“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.”

Ok, noted I'll start to break down my posts into convenient little sentences for your eyesight  . If I have to quote something then I can put it into a paragraph.

I'm not saying that humans are the focus but because at this time on this very planet we are the most intelligent beings besides maybe monkeys, parrots and dogs (*other animals have differing scales of intelligence). However, in the greater scale of vanity we kind of are the focus due to our own intelligence until other beings from another world come to Earth.

I can agree that the universe is too complex for our intellect to grasp which is why we rely mostly upon science to understand it. However, religion can fill that void for now that science itself cannot grasp. There are so many unanswered questions is all I am trying to say.

I get what you are trying to infer that humans worship whatever looks like themselves. Even the bible says God created man and woman in his image

Genesis 1:27

"So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

The first question one would ask from this phrase is does this look like me? It does not specify as Xenophanes had said. Regardless, what I'm trying to say is both religion and science give human beings a purpose to pursue in their own tiny universe of themselves.

If it makes you feel better at one point in my life I was an atheist. Now I've come back to the flock of god due to the events unfolding today and an event that happened to me.

[Poker Player]

If it makes you feel better at one point in my life I was an atheist.

No, thanks, but it doesn't. Actually what I think is that people believe in Gods because that makes them feel better. The idea that we are going to die and that there is nothing is too hard to digest for us humans. Creating an imaginary God is a self-defense mechanism.

[Vatimins]

     Things like this one doesn't really surprise me anymore. There have been countless awful things related to the Catholic church ever since its establishment in the past. The number of these type of incidents only started to decrease in the recent years because of  the new laws that protect the general public along with the fact that the people are being smarter which makes them refuse to be treated in such a way as in the past. But even with this, there are still cases of abuse from the catholic church that arise in many parts of the world. I even know of a lot here in my country and here in my neighborhood.

[cmg777]

No, thanks, but it doesn't. Actually what I think is that people believe in Gods because that makes them feel better. The idea that we are going to die and that there is nothing is too hard to digest for us humans. Creating an imaginary God is a self-defense mechanism.

Then what do think will happen when you die? Was your life and existence meaningless without a purpose?

[just_Alice]

No, thanks, but it doesn't. Actually what I think is that people believe in Gods because that makes them feel better. The idea that we are going to die and that there is nothing is too hard to digest for us humans. Creating an imaginary God is a self-defense mechanism.

Then what do think will happen when you die? Was your life and existence meaningless without a purpose?

On one hand, life can have a purpose, it's only that there's nothing after that. You can make accomplishments, develop technology, research, create something that ensures the wellbeing of our population and the Earth (e.g. vaccines, antibiotics, wildlife sanctuaries, Internet, art, etc.), that will make you a good person in the society, your name will be remembered, you would've made the world a better place.

On the other hand, in terms of the Universe, where our planet is just a teeny-tiny place, in which we humans ourselves are creating problems, rules, needs, values, and purpose - human life is pointless. You basically can do whatever the hell you want to do with it, you can choose to have a purpose and make something meaningful because it's interesting (IMO), you can choose to dedicate your life to studying and just try and learn as much as you can what there is to know about the Universe, you can simply choose to be a good person and help the others. But it's important to realize - what you have now is important, so don't screw it up and don't hope that there will be some afterlife to make up for your mistakes.

Poker Player is right, believing in gods makes people feel better, gives them hope for forgiveness and for another life, something, perhaps, more interesting than we have here, and yes, most people just can't bear the thought that someday they just won't exist.

But, of course, it's just my opinion, everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

[Poker Player]

Then what do think will happen when you die?

I don't know what will happen, as I don't have a crystall ball but I'll perceive nothing.

Was your life and existence meaningless without a purpose?

The meaning of life is biological; living beings are programmed to try to perpetuate our genes. From a more philosophical point of view, life has the meaning you give it. But to wonder about the meaning it has afterwards makes no sense.

[BADecker]

Remains of 215 underage genocide victims found in Kamloops


Remains of 5,165 to 516,500 Covid vaccine genocide victims found all over the US, most of them interred or cremated in normal fashion - https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data. A few of them being prepared for fertilization in soylent green style, in at least 20 States in the USA.

[franky1]

however at the mexico/texas border
more then that number of bodies have been found

250 migrants bodies found at the US border in 2020 alone
https://www.borderreport.com/regions/texas/remains-of-more-than-250-migrants-found-along-southern-border-in-2020/

UN suggest yearly numbers of bodies found are 300-1000 each year

[CryptocurencyKing]

It amazes me to some of the many facts about religion and there crimes to humanity all perpetuated all in the name of good and still expect some form of justification. You can imagine how this event could go undocumented which means, there were more to it than an accident or some unknown circumstances that resulted in fatality.
Its a pity to how much life is wasted in this fight for a superior religion, the establishment of a supernatural and power entity. Sadly, life lost in the process is irreversible and there could be no justification that could be very satisfactory to the crimes committed to humanity. Its a pity how children with dreams in the quest of building there future loose it all to religion and all. Let the investigators use due diligence in discovery all that is to know of this event so, the families of the affected would have some closure.

[franky1]

It amazes me to some of the many facts about religion and there crimes to humanity all perpetuated all in the name of good and still expect some form of justification.

the trick is.. find an entity no one can touch or arrest.. and say your mission is in that entities name

EG religious crimes. government crimes

its funny how senators hide behind "government"
senators vote as individuals but when people want change senators say:
'i cant change things, the senate is the place that does those changes'

so when things go bad. even if a senator voted in a bill that caused damage. 'i didnt do that it was the senates decision'

same with religious stuff 'its wrote in the bible/Quran/scrolls"

CEO of businesses do it too
'its company policy, not personal'

soldiers/police
'im just following orders, its my job'

even things like a pledge of allegiance..
never a pledge to a living person
"i pledge allegiance to the flag"

[Natsuu]

This kind of actions made by the catholic church is what made me not to go to church every sunday for sunday mass. Instead, I became someone who believes in God but not to be controlled by the system (the religion mentioned in the post).

I don't know about that genocide perpetrator becoming a saint, but in regards to what you say. It's pretty disgusting and I don't even know why he became saint if he has such records.