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Author Topic: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻  (Read 34261 times)
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June 09, 2021, 10:15:06 AM
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What more prove do you need? BTC will hit the $1xx,xxx mark and then the 1M! It's only a matter of time folks! Stop spending money on sh!tcoins!


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June 09, 2021, 10:18:27 AM
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That's is great news. El Salvador citizens are the world's most special people right now. Being able to use the ultimate currency and the store of value asset as the national currency is something I am jelly of.

I've done some research and I found out that El Salvador is a great country. That decision makes me want to become an El Salvador citizen. <3 El Salvador.

You did great comrades, you made Che Guevara proud.

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June 09, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
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What more prove do you need? BTC will hit the $1xx,xxx mark and then the 1M! It's only a matter of time folks! Stop spending money on sh!tcoins!

@DooMAD who cares about Tesla? Cheesy
I hope your hyping of the prices is true because we are going to be passing through a lot of numbers before the million dollar mark and 100k is still a pipe dream that we haven't reached yet but it doesn't matter because I will have bitcoin no matter what happens because I don't want to see it empty handed.
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June 09, 2021, 11:01:07 AM
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What more prove do you need? BTC will hit the $1xx,xxx mark and then the 1M! It's only a matter of time folks! Stop spending money on sh!tcoins!

@DooMAD who cares about Tesla? Cheesy
I hope your hyping of the prices is true because we are going to be passing through a lot of numbers before the million dollar mark and 100k is still a pipe dream that we haven't reached yet but it doesn't matter because I will have bitcoin no matter what happens because I don't want to see it empty handed.

For me reaching the $1xx,xxx mark is as sure as there is water at the Poles. It will happen no doubts!

As for $1M this will obviously need a few more years (maybe up to 10) but in the short to medium term we will see the fruits of $1xx,xxx-$2xx,xxx per coin, isn't that just great?? Sell high, buy low, great times to get rich!

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June 09, 2021, 11:07:26 AM
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Amazing news but this is only the beginning for bitcoin. We have gone from nothing to a country accepting bitcoin as legal tender in 12 years, it is a real success story. I have a feeling other South American nations will follow very soon.

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June 09, 2021, 11:35:50 AM
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Just a minor addition to the fact that the bill has been passed and approved: It will come into effect in 90 days time, which is an ambitious timeframe for such a large change. Being so, article 12 of the bitcoin law states that those business that cannot adapt their technological infrastructure to accepting bitcoin, will not be obliged to accept bitcoin. The state, nevertheless, will promote the necessary mechanisms to allow the population to access bitcoin TXs.

Article 12 is therefore an exit side door to escape from being forced to accept bitcoin in the given 90 day timeframe, but if all goes well, it should only be a temporary escape whilst businesses adapt.

This is a real first case scenario for an all-out countrywide bitcoin adaption, and all eyes will be on the playing ground.

See:
(approved bitcoin law – in Spanish) https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeyBitcoin?src=hashtag_click

https://www.information-age.com/el-salvador-becomes-first-country-to-adopt-bitcoin-as-legal-tender-123495550/
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June 09, 2021, 12:03:32 PM
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This is a real first case scenario for an all-out countrywide bitcoin adaption, and all eyes will be on the playing ground.

See:
(approved bitcoin law – in Spanish) https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeyBitcoin?src=hashtag_click

https://www.information-age.com/el-salvador-becomes-first-country-to-adopt-bitcoin-as-legal-tender-123495550/
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Congratulations all. Lets make this work.

Now the real challenge is for Jack Mallers and team to setup the infrastructure and make LN reach everyone and work for everyone. Blockstream and hopefully, prominent Bitcoiners will be joining in on the effort. From hereon, it is not about what El Salvador can do for Bitcoin but what Bitcoin can do for El Salvador.
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June 09, 2021, 12:06:08 PM
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See:
(approved bitcoin law – in Spanish) https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeyBitcoin?src=hashtag_click
So in addition to defining bitcoin as legal tender, the law also states that the government will accept bitcoin for all taxes, confirms that bitcoin will not be subjected to any capital gains tax, and that the government are going to provide necessary training and equipment to allow everyone in the country to access bitcoin, exchange bitcoin, and transact with bitcoin. Very interestingly, Article 13 means that all already existing debts can be paid in bitcoin. So potentially people could swap to paying off mortgages, loans, cars, etc. by using bitcoin, and the banks must accept it.

There is no way El Salvador will be the only country to do this. Others will follow, and maybe soon. What a time for bitcoin.
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June 09, 2021, 12:06:56 PM
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Just a minor addition to the fact that the bill has been passed and approved: It will come into effect in 90 days time, which is an ambitious timeframe for such a large change. Being so, article 12 of the bitcoin law states that those business that cannot adapt their technological infrastructure to accepting bitcoin, will not be obliged to accept bitcoin. The state, nevertheless, will promote the necessary mechanisms to allow the population to access bitcoin TXs.

Article 12 is therefore an exit side door to escape from being forced to accept bitcoin in the given 90 day timeframe, but if all goes well, it should only be a temporary escape whilst businesses adapt.

This is a real first case scenario for an all-out countrywide bitcoin adaption, and all eyes will be on the playing ground.

See:
(approved bitcoin law – in Spanish) https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeyBitcoin?src=hashtag_click

https://www.information-age.com/el-salvador-becomes-first-country-to-adopt-bitcoin-as-legal-tender-123495550/

Wow!!! That was quick.

When the news about announcement from the president came, I was thinking that it will be some empty rhetoric and it may never be implemented. But I was proven wrong. They have moved very fast on this. And I guess this is the reason why Bitcoin prices have shot up by 15% during the last 24 hours. I would compare this news to the one we had last year, when PayPal became the first major payment processor to integrate Bitcoin to its platform. And I hope many more countries will follow the example set by El Salvador.
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June 09, 2021, 12:09:12 PM
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For me reaching the $1xx,xxx mark is as sure as there is water at the Poles. It will happen no doubts!

As for $1M this will obviously need a few more years (maybe up to 10) but in the short to medium term we will see the fruits of $1xx,xxx-$2xx,xxx per coin, isn't that just great?? Sell high, buy low, great times to get rich!
I am not yet sure if I have the ability to be able to last for 10 years hodling bitcoin but I will try my best and do it, I don't want you to be right all along and I don't have any bitcoin in my wallet to sell, that's a financial suicide right there if it happens.
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June 09, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
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For me reaching the $1xx,xxx mark is as sure as there is water at the Poles. It will happen no doubts!

As for $1M this will obviously need a few more years (maybe up to 10) but in the short to medium term we will see the fruits of $1xx,xxx-$2xx,xxx per coin, isn't that just great?? Sell high, buy low, great times to get rich!
I am not yet sure if I have the ability to be able to last for 10 years hodling bitcoin but I will try my best and do it, I don't want you to be right all along and I don't have any bitcoin in my wallet to sell, that's a financial suicide right there if it happens.

10 years is the long term. But it can happen as fast as 5 years. You never know! There is no limit for the BTC. It can go as high as low the fiat goes Cheesy Lower fiat, higher BTC! Imagine 10 more countries adopting BTC... madness.

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June 09, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
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This is massive news now that the presidents bill has been passed.
I posted this a few days ago in the press section before it was passed.

So with 70% of the population being unbanked and owning a mobile phone
they now can become controllers of their finances.

A lot of ex-pats traditionally send funds home via western union etc. who take up
to 30% commission, by bypassing them and using the Bitcoin lightening network
more funds will reach the recipients in El Salvador.

They traditionally use the US Dollar which they have no controll over and while
the US print more the Dollar is devaluing, Bitcoin is an escape.

This is a pure example of how Bitcoin can help people!

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June 09, 2021, 01:40:10 PM
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As i have heard, it’s not yet confirmed. Just rumours and i mean strong rumours are pointing this statement.
Still i am happy that Bitcoin is getting reputation as it should get.
Moreover it’s also quite complicated to know how this will happen, as we already know that Bitcoin is decentralised currency that is cannot controlled by any government, but still we will see how it ends.
Also this might help to boost up the price of BTC from now on.
Really excited to see what happens next.
It’s time to make cryptos as national assets.

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June 09, 2021, 01:58:24 PM
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Guys, don't forget.
Before any media releases it, Jack Mallers and the President of El Salvador Nayib Bukele will be live at 11 ET / 8 PT on CNBC

We are going to share it on our social networks.

Let's all do it together, we are with El Salvador, we are all Bitcoin.


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This might be the beginning of a price rise from $30k to $3 million. When the others join the party imagine how big bitcoin can become. We are all going to be rich, I guess. I am excited af. This is the beginning of the end for the USD. I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.

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This might be the beginning of a price rise from $30k to $3 million. When the others join the party imagine how big bitcoin can become. We are all going to be rich, I guess. I am excited af. This is the beginning of the end for the USD. I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.

Actually it is very simple. If you want to become rich from Bitcoin, then all you need to do is to make sure that you don't sell your coins in panic. If you are investing in stocks or bullion, then you need to check the financial statement of the company every now and then. With Bitcoin that is not needed. There is no need to check the exchange rates every one or two hours (on the other hand I would discourage it, because it makes people more susceptible to panic selling). That said, your target of $3 million is stretching it a bit too far. For me, I would be happy with my target of $250,000, if it can be achieved by 2025.
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June 09, 2021, 05:03:07 PM
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What more prove do you need? BTC will hit the $1xx,xxx mark and then the 1M! It's only a matter of time folks! Stop spending money on sh!tcoins!

@DooMAD who cares about Tesla? Cheesy
I hope your hyping of the prices is true because we are going to be passing through a lot of numbers before the million dollar mark and 100k is still a pipe dream that we haven't reached yet but it doesn't matter because I will have bitcoin no matter what happens because I don't want to see it empty handed.

To not have bitcoin no matter what seems like a pretty irresponsible move in terms of your own personal finances.

I understand that there are people who are so damned poor that they have trouble investing in anything...

Probably no sense in arguing with a nocoiner without ambitions, but there are ways that you could invest $10 per week or some low amount like that, if you happened to be poor.. but seems to me that you do not have an excuse for being poor - but instead your excuse is because you believe the risks of bitcoin going to zero outweighs potential benefits of it going up.. which seems a pretty ill-informed point of view for anyone who acts like they know something and knows about balancing risks (which you, Kittygalore, seem to be presenting yourself as if you were knowledgeable but seems that you are not).

The more knowledgeable approach in thinking about bitcoin would be:  You might want to get some bitcoin in case it catches on.

What more prove do you need? BTC will hit the $1xx,xxx mark and then the 1M! It's only a matter of time folks! Stop spending money on sh!tcoins!

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I hope your hyping of the prices is true because we are going to be passing through a lot of numbers before the million dollar mark and 100k is still a pipe dream that we haven't reached yet but it doesn't matter because I will have bitcoin no matter what happens because I don't want to see it empty handed.

For me reaching the $1xx,xxx mark is as sure as there is water at the Poles. It will happen no doubts!

As for $1M this will obviously need a few more years (maybe up to 10) but in the short to medium term we will see the fruits of $1xx,xxx-$2xx,xxx per coin, isn't that just great?? Sell high, buy low, great times to get rich!

You are right, virtualdn... even if some of the prices are not guaranteed, $100k to $200k seem to have really decent odds for this cycle and $1million for the next cycle and $5-10million for the cycle after that.. So $5 to $10 million seems to have decent odds for less than 10 years - even though of course no guarantees and of course, the numbers could get overshot, too.  

On a personal level, it is hard to really know, and my suggestion has not necessarily been to invest a whole lot, but instead to take a meaningfully aggressive investment approach, but of course, if you are skeptical, even a somewhat whimpy investment approach of 1% of your investable assets, or something like that would still end up doing pretty well in the various bullish cases, and with a fairly whimpy investment into BTC such as 1% of your investable value, you do not have a whole hell of a lot to lose if the more bullish cases do not end up playing out.

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For me reaching the $1xx,xxx mark is as sure as there is water at the Poles. It will happen no doubts!

As for $1M this will obviously need a few more years (maybe up to 10) but in the short to medium term we will see the fruits of $1xx,xxx-$2xx,xxx per coin, isn't that just great?? Sell high, buy low, great times to get rich!
I am not yet sure if I have the ability to be able to last for 10 years hodling bitcoin but I will try my best and do it, I don't want you to be right all along and I don't have any bitcoin in my wallet to sell, that's a financial suicide right there if it happens.

O.k... This post shows that you, Kittygalore, might be more receptive to investing in bitcoin than your earlier seemingly dumbass nocoiner post was implying.

Many of us who follow bitcoin should realize that you do not have to invest lump sum into bitcoin - or all or nothing, just invest what you can do, and if it is a low or whimpy investment, at least you have some stake in the game for a potentially world changing asset class.  

So a relatively whimpy investment level might including very small amounts of something like $10 per week, and you should hardly give any shits about dedicating $10 per week to something that has potential but also might go to zero... and with $10 week you might even feel as if you could ignore it for a few years before looking back at if your investment is up, down or sideways.  Sure, if you stick with such a $10 per week, after 10 years, you will have invested around $5,200 into bitcoin (that is $10 x 52weeks x 10 years), but so what?   There is upside or downside but if the BTC were to go to zero?  You have not invested a whole hell of a lot, so maybe you have not been sufficiently aggressive with a $10 per week amount, but whatever the amount would be should be something that you are comfortable with, even if you have a pessimistic viewpoint about the upside scenario while at the same time you acknowledge that some variation of an upside scenario may well end up playing out.

So, even if you were to start investing your $10 week now, and you end up having an average cost per BTC of $500k, but if BTC ends up going to $10million in those 10 years, you still have about 20x of your investment = $5,200 x 20 = $104k.

This might be the beginning of a price rise from $30k to $3 million. When the others join the party imagine how big bitcoin can become. We are all going to be rich, I guess. I am excited af. This is the beginning of the end for the USD. I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.

So what are you doing mindrust?  Do you have a plan?  Have you been buying BTC or some various shitcoins or "other projects" that you believe to be more promising?

Hopefully you are not just sticking with 1 BTC and think that is enough when you have capabilities to accumulate more BTC and if you have reservations about how much you want to put in, then you can either do a small lump sum, but the other possibility would be a relatively modest and ongoing DCA strategy (whatever would be to your budget and hopefully your reservations regarding over-investing when over-investing would not be necessary to still have decent chances of reaching richie status - or at least improving your lot, investing reasonably without too much gambling and getting the fuck out of various nonsense and shitcoins and other likely stupid-ass projects that might have distracted you in recent times.).

This might be the beginning of a price rise from $30k to $3 million. When the others join the party imagine how big bitcoin can become. We are all going to be rich, I guess. I am excited af. This is the beginning of the end for the USD. I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.

Actually it is very simple. If you want to become rich from Bitcoin, then all you need to do is to make sure that you don't sell your coins in panic. If you are investing in stocks or bullion, then you need to check the financial statement of the company every now and then. With Bitcoin that is not needed. There is no need to check the exchange rates every one or two hours (on the other hand I would discourage it, because it makes people more susceptible to panic selling). That said, your target of $3 million is stretching it a bit too far. For me, I would be happy with my target of $250,000, if it can be achieved by 2025.

Oh my bc.. don't want to repeat myself here, but surely $250k is reachable in this cycle, $3million might be a stretch for the next cycle but is reachable in the next cycle (which would be ending around 2025/2026).. and then such $3million should be easily reachable in the cycle after that which would be 2029/2030...

By the way, I really appreciate your other comments about just HODLing and not panicking.. which kind of goes back to the point that some people invest way too much, and then they get worried, and bitcoin has shown us time and time again that investing relatively small levels of bitcoin can end up compounding upon itself with the passage of time and play out quite nicely.. so even if your bear-ass-ish view of $250k being a struggle, you are still going to profit quite well from coins that you already bought.. or even from any that you pick up right now, in case you might not have any or feel that you do not have enough.

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I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.
hmm, i wonder how many times other countries have followed what the government of a developing country from central america does? i'm gonna say not many. Btw, part of el salvador's cabinet are facing severe sanctions from the US govt for corruption[1]. No wonder the bill passed so quickly  Roll Eyes

1. https://apnews.com/article/latin-america-el-salvador-1d089ae377a6d8ef401fd898081a14ce

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I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.
hmm, i wonder how many times other countries have followed what the government of a developing country from central america does? i'm gonna say not many. Btw, el salvador's president and the cabinet are facing severe sanctions from the US govt for corruption[1]. No wonder the bill passed so quickly  Roll Eyes

1. https://apnews.com/article/latin-america-el-salvador-1d089ae377a6d8ef401fd898081a14ce

Let's all do it together, we are with El Salvador, we are all Bitcoin.
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I hope the other countries follow El Savador's steps without wasting too much time.
hmm, i wonder how many times other countries have followed what the government of a developing country from central america does? i'm gonna say not many. Btw, part of el salvador's cabinet are facing severe sanctions from the US govt for corruption[1]. No wonder the bill passed so quickly  Roll Eyes

1. https://apnews.com/article/latin-america-el-salvador-1d089ae377a6d8ef401fd898081a14ce

Let's all do it together, we are with El Salvador, we are all Bitcoin.
grim

You are kind of negative, tomahawk9, and taking the side of IMF and US Govt (seems a bit presumptuous on your part), which are likely known to have been ongoing bullying tactics for more than 20 years at varying levels for many countries, not limited to South America...

So yeah, there is a kind of passive aggressive war going on, and I would not assume that IMF and US Govt is going to win this war in all kinds of ways, even if these entities might team up and ramp up some of their pressuring tactics on El Salvador and any copy cat wannabes...

I am not going to proclaim to know how all of it is going to play out, but we are ONLY less than a week into the legal tender proposal announcement (that seems to be getting activated fairly quickly - 90 days from now.. and sure various kinds of building up in the next 90 days, too) and we are also showing a variety of signs of solidarity from some other government leaders in other South American countries (who is to say that such solidarity might not spread to a variety of other countries.. still early days, early days, early days.. and who's to say if other countries will follow or not?.. and maybe some of them would not mind a bit of a war (or battle) in the financial realm and use bitcoin as a kind of leveraging point..

Is this good for bitcoin?  time will tell, but seems to be good for bitcoin, at least in the short to medium term.

Are there casualties in war? of course. 

I would be a bit reluctant to presume that the IMF and US Govt would be able to completely get their way in this kind of matter and a lot of the changes going on in the world and the multitude of actors in a pretty complicated and increasingly decentralized world.. with king daddy having quite a few preparations already in its systems to be used as a leverage in these kinds of possible battles, but I am also not going to presume that they (on either side) would be giving up without any kind of fight.. move, countermove and can you tell the future exactly, or are you going to presume the status quo just stays the same and bitcoin plays no part in this?

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