What do we do when a campaign is discovered to be a fraud

[Pokapoka124]

This question has been bugging me lately and I need some answers.
Do we just jump on any and every campaign that comes up even if there is cause to suspect the company is a fraud? In this case the campaign 1xbit.com has been accused of scamming its users but still yet reputable members of this forum apply for the campaign. I'd understand if newbies, Jr members and even some members apply but seeing ranks as high as a Hero member applying on the campaign is mind-boggling. I believe the one of the factors that prove the credibility of a signature campaign is the rank of members they allow to apply, most campaigns are usually open to Full members to legendary rank only, while others are even more strict and require Hero members to legendary rank only. So what happens when high members help promote a scam campaign? Of course this is not the first time such has happened, CryptopreneurBrainboss, one of the best managers I have been blessed to work with, reported and exposed Burst.money as scam project despite whatever offers the company may have offered him. That shows character and dignity. 1xbit.com campaign has red flags all over it and yet the signs are ignored. This is the first time I'm seeing ranked members applying for a campaign managed by a newbie. It just isn't right. It just goes a long way to show the perception some of us have about the forum. Its all about the money
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338454.msg57041448#msg57041448

[Oshosondy]

You can give the Ann thread of the company negative trust, also report the project on social media to be a scam. If the campaign manager is paying people that participated in the campaign, the account should be given negative trust too. One of the members may raise a flag, people should support the negative flag. That alone are enough to make people know that they are scammers. But these are for signature campaigns which it is clear that the campaign manager should have certain amount of escrowed fund with him.

For bounties like that one CryptopreneurBrainboss managed, the campaign manager is not at fault, it is the people/company behind the project that are at fault, while I think negative flag has been raised against them. The only remedy to scam exit in bounty campaigns is to not participate in the bounty campaigns, or try to risk it.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> I believe the one of the factors that prove the credibility of a signature campaign is the rank of members they allow to apply <…>

Rank are not a sign of credibility (specific people are in any case). Campaign participants more often than not haven’t got the faintest clue what they are (actively/passively) advertising, and if we take a look back over ICO periods, a large set of forum members of all ranks were bearing a signature or tweeted about a fraud to be in the aftermaths.
It happened to me once, and I even bought some of the crap that resulted in an exit scam. I did look into it beforehand in my case, but probably not well enough (may not even have been able to spot it). Most will not even look into things to begin with.

Most people participating in campaigns will not really care, and even the proportion of those that become aware that a given campaign is a fraud will probably be small, simply because they won’t look into it nor read the threads where it may be exposed. More often than not, people read the post above theirs at best, let alone trying to gain further context from reading here and there at depth. There are professional campaign spammers that go full thrust into any available campaign, and have developed a decent rank overtime. I wouldn’t expect those to read the Scam Accusations, nor even to see it if it were placed right in front of their eyes.

In any case, if there is a commercial/financial related risk, that’s what the Trust & Flag system is for.

[EYC_ONE]

I think you are right. All of us here are now bountying spam. If it were a new member it would be accepted. It is often seen now that any member or hero member is doing it. What can we do? What for them? What action is not taken by theymos? What action must be taken against them. Why do they publish their works without taking their profit?

[Lucius]

Rank are not a sign of credibility (specific people are in any case).

Unfortunately, a lot of members (mostly beginners) think that Hero or Legendary members are something special, and we all know that until a few years ago it was only necessary to be active on the forum to achieve such ranks - so members mentioned by OP are not something to be considered respectable members - especially if they are sold in advertising a project that is marked as spam.

As for the campaign mentioned by the OP, I think most of the members were actually bought as alt accounts and the whole thing is actually just a show for the public - no one pays anyone anything.

[Issa56]

I believe must don't really care there reputation on the forum anymore must people are just after the money which is very bad I believe as a hero member or as a legendary member before you should launch any bounty I believe you should make proper research before accepting any bounty. I believe as a hero or legendary member should be launching scam bounty that's very bad. That's why currently I have specific bounty managers which I work for because I really trust them and I believe they will not bring scam project which include; Brainboss, hampuz, waprinter. I know there are lot's of scam projects now but even if we are expecting a scam project it should be from a low rank manager like newbies or junior member not a manager with high rank.

[smyslov]

This question has been bugging me lately and I need some answers.
Do we just jump on any and every campaign that comes up even if there is cause to suspect the company is a fraud? In this case the campaign 1xbit.com has been accused of scamming its users but still yet reputable members of this forum apply for the campaign.

They are not reputable anymore if they are going to join the 1XBIT campaign no reputable member of this forum will join a proven scam project, I have seen those who take part, and the majority of them have a red tag, this is the only campaign they can join and all blames will be on their hands if the accusations started to pile up, they should be ban on this forum.

[sheenshane]

In this case the campaign 1xbit.com has been accused of scamming its users but still yet reputable members of this forum apply for the campaign.

No, they aren't reputable users and as I'd say, it's shame to them.  Here is the List of Participant in the promotion of scam site, as you can see, all of them had been tagged. 

If there's a campaign promotion that has been a bunch of accusations, they should not continue promoting scam projects here.  Since scam projects aren't moderated here, negative feedback next to their profile is a good awareness to other users that they are a scam project, and those who are willing to promote scam projects must be tagged too.

I saw most of the participants have legitimate negative feedback on their profile but yet, they are accepted to the signature campaign.  So nothing to worry about because this is visible for most newbies here, it should be a red flag to them.

[sapnu]

It is actually unfortunate that most of the bounty campaigns right now in the forum are usually fraud or scams. It seems like they took advantage of the people's patronization on such bounty campaigns. During the reign of good bounty campaigns, all of a sudden a lot of scams and failed campaigns showed up. There are instances where bounty hunters ended up not recieving the tokens or earnings they deserve for all the hardships they went through to help the campaign or even if they receive it, it took so long. Let us hope the bounty campaigns will get back to how it was before so that bounty hunters will get what they deserve.

[zanezane]

Report the campaign and everyone who participates in it and don't join the campaign. The reason for reporting those who joined is to make sure that people gets discouraged to participate in it and also try to be active on the campaign thread to warn possible users about the campaign that they are going to join in.

[Taskford]

Campaign which is proven scam is not good to join with since if you insist and still join there campaign a high chance that you will be tag. also if you see other do it better report them since its supporting a scam and this should not tolerated since this could harm more people if they will get link to the site promoted like 1xbit participants do.

[aysg76]

In this case the campaign 1xbit.com has been accused of scamming its users but still yet reputable members of this forum apply for the campaign.
I'd understand if newbies, Jr members and even some members apply but seeing ranks as high as a Hero member applying on the campaign is mind-boggling.

They have tons of scam accusations against them but Still trying their luck with creating different ANN threads and account on the forum in hope of getting new victims is not new technique for 1xbit casino.The members who have joined the scam projects are not good contributors and active participant on the forum.They have joined because they were offering $140/weekly in their latest thread to the legendary members.So what do you expect from members who just want to join campaign for money even if they are posting anything.They have attained hero or legendary ranks in the past not new and that is why they want to take part in any scam projects.So don't go on their rank as well because every Hero/legendary member is not active in healthy/contributing discussion to the forum but only wants money.

Of course this is not the first time such has happened, CryptopreneurBrainboss, one of the best managers I have been blessed to work with, reported and exposed Burst.money as scam project despite whatever offers the company may have offered him. That shows character and dignity.

This is what makes you one of the reputable manager on this forum with your trust rating being increased and members know that campaign managed under this manager is safe and you will get rewards because he will not promote any scam projects on the forum which can also give him red trust.If you find any such casino or project just report it to the scam and accusation board on the forum with valid proofs to aware others.

[Pokapoka124]

You can give the Ann thread of the company negative trust, also report the project on social media to be a scam. If the campaign manager is paying people that participated in the campaign, the account should be given negative trust too. One of the members may raise a flag, people should support the negative flag. That alone are enough to make people know that they are scammers. But these are for signature campaigns which it is clear that the campaign manager should have certain amount of escrowed fund with him.

I think that's an excellent idea

For bounties like that one CryptopreneurBrainboss managed, the campaign manager is not at fault, it is the people/company behind the project that are at fault, while I think negative flag has been raised against them. The only remedy to scam exit in bounty campaigns is to not participate in the bounty campaigns, or try to risk it.

True I couldn't agree more. Big ups to CryptopreneurBrainboss for flagging the project not many would do that.

[joniboini]

Another case that might happen is a scam accusation in the middle of the campaign progress. If the accusation happens when you're in the middle of working for it, just leave temporarily until the situation is clear.  Especially if the company is new, and not old ones with a lot of feedback and generally trusted by the users. Your reputation should be the priority regardless of how much you make each week. I personally stumble upon those kinds of cases a few times and leaving the campaign is what most reputable users would do.

[tranthidung]

Another case that might happen is a scam accusation in the middle of the campaign progress. If the accusation happens when you're in the middle of working for it, just leave temporarily until the situation is clear.

Sometimes the community are separated and no consensus on a scam accusation. It is best to leave such campaign in the middle but it would be not wrong if you think that company is legit and keep supporting. Remember the community on the forum might not have enough evidence to judge one company is scam.

A shame behavior is when you publicly said it is a scam, attacked that company but later joined it and took money. Extremely shameful.

For signature campaign that has active flag or valid scam accusation after the campaign starts, participants or applicants will be given enough of time to take off signature and avatar. If they don't take off such, DT members might tag them. Ultimately, scam is not moderated on the forum, per rules.

Example is Duck Dice campaign.

• DuckDice campaign and warning from @Coolcryptovator

Please don't apply this signature, may be DT will tag your account. Whoever currently wearing signature please remove within 72 hours  otherwise may be you will got tag. Do not apply until solve accusation. OP and Escrow holder already got tag.
Read more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103053.0

[nakamura12]

So what do you expect from members who just want to join campaign for money even if they are posting anything.They have attained hero or legendary ranks in the past not new and that is why they want to take part in any scam projects.So don't go on their rank as well because every Hero/legendary member is not active in healthy/contributing discussion to the forum but only wants money.

And then, the participants and the manager of the said campaign will get negative trust for promoting scam projects unless they stop promoting such projects. It is much better if many people especially those who start a scam accusations to spread that it is a scam and not to be trusted for others to know and avoid it in the future.

[QueenVera]

Before we go on start tagging users we see with a high rank a reputed member, you first have to understand what the world reputed means, a simple definition will have, well known and a good reputation in them. Now go back and look at the profile promoting the project you mentioned, are those well known members of this forum or have good reputation, the answer is no therefore you can't call them reputed members.

In other news, that the said reputed members are promoting a project doesn't make it legit and not a scam. Money can change individuals, don't be surprised if tomorrow you see well know members joining a particular campaign that is well known to be scammy.

During the yobit sega we saw well known members joining and promoting the campaign even after all we know about yobit exchange and their scammy ways of operations and treating their customers.

[bL4nkcode]

This is the first time I'm seeing ranked members applying for a campaign managed by a newbie.

Who ever manage the campaign and its rank doesn't really matter, there are lots of instances that newbies managed campaigns due to the fact that it cost them (project) more from getting one yet they successfully get the trust of their members after a week or more, sample the bestchange.

What really matter is, how the funds will be secured so the participants will get paid. Then the campaign manager, if the accepted participants causes spam in the forum and it didn't stop after some warnings, some instances DT give red tags, that's why its recommended to hire CM if the project team cant handle it properly. This is the same on some instances that even the project is known as worst both service and CS, if the campaign manager is reputed and trusted, then its exempted for red tags, like yobit before.

But if the campaign is known as scam and fraud, automatically it should be stopped or else accept some cons, whoever is the CM and its participants.

[Upgrade00]

This is the same on some instances that even the project is known as worst both service and CS, if the campaign manager is reputed and trusted, then its exempted for red tags, like yobit before.

Yobit participants actually got some red tags from other members despite the reputation of the campaign manager.
I'm of the opinion that the previous reputation of a user should have a linted influence on how you judge them, they should get some benefit of the doubt if they have consistently showed good reputation, but if proven to be involved in a scam, it should be handled as such.

[isaac_clarke22]

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I would categorize "reputable members" as those who are quite known here for good reason and have established themselves here in the forum very well, and it wouldn't be just those who had higher ranks.
We cannot do anything for them sadly as scams aren't even moderated and we can't do anything to stop it from the root. The tag that DT members is the best thing that could be done.

It is money and those who applied to that campaign do not even care nonetheless if they were even paid by other people's stolen money.

I wonder if reputated CMs would consider blacklisting those people from their future campaigns though, although I think the tag would suffice for that already since many campaign have those rules of "No negative trust".