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June 27, 2021, 05:05:30 AM |
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In most of the cases when the person dies, his crypto would become useless if his family member do not know about his keys. I do not usually tell my password or keys to anyone and i know majority of the people don't do this. We are being taught to keep the keys safe. No one think that one day he will die and in that case, his family won't be able to use those savings (bitcoin/crypto) if they don't know the keys. Also people won't like to share keys with siblings or wife because they can misuse them . So what could be the solution to this
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June 27, 2021, 05:32:40 AM |
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In most of the cases when the person dies, his crypto would become useless if his family member do not know about his keys. I do not usually tell my password or keys to anyone and i know majority of the people don't do this. We are being taught to keep the keys safe. No one think that one day he will die and in that case, his family won't be able to use those savings (bitcoin/crypto) if they don't know the keys. Also people won't like to share keys with siblings or wife because they can misuse them . So what could be the solution to this If the people really don't want to share their keys it's their right but those coins will be dead as well since it can't be access so if you really don't want to share your keys maybe you could make a riddle and ask your family to share it online or to them that if you die, they would try to crack the code and if anyone gets it then the coins will be theirs. There's no other solution if the person really don't want to share their keys even if you try to force crack their wallet it's impossible.
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June 27, 2021, 05:34:26 AM |
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Also people won't like to share keys with siblings or wife because they can misuse them . So what could be the solution to this ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Dunno, people I know have sorted this out, and gave their spouses/family members some sort of instructions what to do in case something happens to them. I did the same, and several of my closest family members have access to my seed phrase. They are completely clueless when it comes to crypto, so they are instructed to contact a friend who will explain them procedure to access the crypto in case something happens to me. One of the possible solution if you don't trust anyone, yet wanna pass your crypto onto someone is a dead man's switch. You may wanna look into something like FinalMessage, in which if you don't do certain action for set amount of time, message will be sent to designated people with instructions how to access your crypto.
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June 27, 2021, 05:38:22 AM |
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Depends on what measures you've put in place when you were still alive, if you don't have anything then that bitcoin is already a lost coin that will again contribute to the permanent increase of price of bitcoin, you really don't have to plan about it ahead of time, it just makes you anxious that your death could happen any day.
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June 27, 2021, 05:59:54 AM |
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Interesting topics. But it's worth thinking that we may end up locking up huge amount of bitcoins like this. What if everyone option out not to share the keys with anyone else? May be there could be one option. Everyone should right down the keys in their Power Will and submit the same with their lawyers. I think that way they can protect the privacy of the keys legally and will not be afraid of loosing them ever. Whether we die or not we will know very well they will be used somehow.
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June 27, 2021, 06:05:58 AM |
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Teach them how to crypto first (wallet access through seed/priv. key, storage, security and all other basics) while you're still alive. You can also find suggestions from this article - Prepare your bitcoins. For your heirs.
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June 27, 2021, 06:20:29 AM |
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When a person dies he won't gonna need to worry about what he left in this world let alone some crypto assets he left in his hard wallet. That's why if we really want to share our blessings, we need to set up who will inherit them after we perish. There is lots of basic information on how we can teach the person we want to take everything we have after we left this world and they can be as easy to explain to them. But the most common is teaching them the basic today so when you are not here anymore, they can get everything you have and spend it the way you want it to.
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June 27, 2021, 06:22:21 AM |
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I think you should trust someone and tell him about your pass or key. Well in that case i am doing a simple strategy though we know nothing is secured in online so we Shouldn't keep our key in any online store that's why i am writing all my key in my note book. And i already told my younger brother about that. He is soo young we still didn't give him phone. I just tell him all my account access in this note book if something happens with me you can access all account from this notebook. But not now when you will known about bitcoin or crypto currency. Its my believe to trust my own Brother. What we should do. Because they are my family. Why we earn money? Obviously for them so we should aware them about my profession. Its my believe others can be different thank you.
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June 27, 2021, 06:25:25 AM |
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If you do not tell your password or keys to anyone, your coins will remain in your wallet and buried for a long time until someone can know the password. There is no solution for that if you do not tell your password, what you have will not be accessed by your family. If you want to give your coins as a legacy, you should tell them the password or at least, you can try to make a testament for your family and give it to the right person you trust. If something wrong with you, that person must tell your family all about what you did in crypto and give them the information that they needed to access the wallet.
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June 27, 2021, 07:33:08 AM |
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If I am not mistaken the topic has been talk for so many times in the forum. But I guess it would also reappear because of the sudden death of McAfee. Our crypto investment would remain on the wallet of course it would only be moved or used if we would let someone know how to access our wallet.
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June 27, 2021, 07:41:51 AM |
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Interesting topics. But it's worth thinking that we may end up locking up huge amount of bitcoins like this. What if everyone option out not to share the keys with anyone else?
Lets suppose 50% of the people share their keys so that in event of their death their coins could be benefit to their family. The rest 50% don't share keys and those bitcoins could not be used after their death. This means that supply of bitcoin will keep on decreasing as many of those bitcoins will be practically not usable.
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June 27, 2021, 07:52:41 AM |
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Just make a testament or will whenever the time comes to you. If that won't work, teach one of your family members how to make wallets and how to recover wallets. That will suffice your worry but you have to be sure that the person you'll be teaching is trustworthy.
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June 27, 2021, 08:25:29 AM |
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Just make a testament or will whenever the time comes to you. If that won't work, teach one of your family members how to make wallets and how to recover wallets. That will suffice your worry but you have to be sure that the person you'll be teaching is trustworthy.
Or a much better one would probably teaching them right now about bitcoin and then have your important information locked in a safe place and then let them do what they want to do with it, you are already dead so it's pretty foolish to think about it.
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June 27, 2021, 08:33:07 AM |
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After all, how could someone very close to not care, do not want to understand or even to be untrustworthy, I don't think that's possible, of course he/she will be good responsive to you, here you just need to teach him/her until he/she really understands and wants to hold on to trust.
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June 27, 2021, 09:04:19 AM |
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You may wanna look into something like FinalMessage, in which if you don't do certain action for set amount of time, message will be sent to designated people with instructions how to access your crypto. It's a good idea, but I don't like the way it is set up. Having a centralized service store your encrypted message, which will presumably be your seed phrase, and handing out the decryption key to your family and friends is the wrong way to do things. You are still trusting the service in question to properly encrypt your message, to securely store that message, and not to have the unencrypted message stolen by other malware or attacks on your computer. Very few people will choose a decryption key with 128 bits of security, meaning the security of your seed phrase will be reduced the whatever the security of your password is. Much better to give your family and friends your encrypted seed phrase, and have a third party service store and email out the decryption key. Everyone should right down the keys in their Power Will and submit the same with their lawyers. Again, you are now trusting a third party with complete access to your coins if you hand over your keys or seed phrase in plain text. Better to give your family members your encrypted seed phrase and store the decryption key with your lawyers.
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June 27, 2021, 09:45:18 AM |
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I think on the legal side the most reasonable and best solution is to leave all the information in the will with the lawyer. After your death, the lawyer acts based on your instructions in the will and gives the selected person all instructions on how to access your crypto wallet. Such information is stored in a secure place in the legal system and is not accessed by anyone until the start of the legal process. I think this is the best and safest way to solve this problem. Of course, it is much easier to choose a family member right now and give him all the information to access your crypto wallet. If you don’t trust your family, who will you trust? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) There is no alternative to these 2 solutions, it is likely that crypto funds will be lost after your death. It is easy to criticize both solutions but what then do you suggest as an alternative?
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June 27, 2021, 10:09:19 AM |
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Such information is stored in a secure place in the legal system and is not accessed by anyone until the start of the legal process. You're certain? There's no way that someone might glance at it in a filling cabinet somewhere? Or that it might get scanned and uploaded to server, and someone might take a look at it? Or when you are updating your Will that an intern somewhere might be handed the old copy to shred? I would never hand over your seed phrase or keys in plain text to a third party, regardless of how reputable they are or what processes you think are in place. Things go wrong and things slip through the cracks all the time. It is easy to criticize both solutions but what then do you suggest as an alternative? What I have outlined above - encrypted seed phrase with heirs, decryption key with lawyers or other trusted third party. Alternatively, a time locked transaction. I set up a transaction moving all the coins in my cold storage to my heir's address, but timelock it so it cannot be broadcast before block 741,000 - roughly one year from now. I hand this transaction over to my heir. Once we hit block 741,000, they can broadcast it and claim all my coins. If I am still alive, then at some point prior to block 741,000 I move all the coins in my cold storage to a new address, thereby invalidating the timelocked transaction they are holding, and provide them with a new timelocked transaction, this one unable to be spent prior to block 795,000, roughly another year on. Timelock can also be performed with Unix time if you want to be exact and don't want to depend on the variability of the average block time.
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June 27, 2021, 10:20:31 AM |
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Thanks for this one, I'm a bit curious about this too although I have no use with it because I am pretty sure that I won't be needing to do this when the time comes, I just like to have a good read.
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June 27, 2021, 10:31:08 AM |
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I have my wallet keys saved on my hard drive and my son and wife have the password to my hard drive but are only permitted to use it on my instructions or when am not accessible to use it. This has helped me to secure my coins, I can't afford to risk my digital assets so I let my family have access to my keys and passwords.
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