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July 12, 2021, 12:13:54 PM
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I think the first solution to poverty is education. Education the young poor person gives a more brighter opportunity for future success rather than leaving them uneducated. Education prepares someone for the future even when opportunity is not presented at the current moment, a truly educated and knowledgeable person can find a way to survive. There is a relationship between education and knowledge because education sharpens knowledge and it gives the ability to apply the knowledge very well. Like Martin Luther said about living ready, this is important and can be guaranteed with education.

Education has become more accessible to everyone, with internet now reaching the remote nooks and corners of the world. It is not necessary to go to a college or school to get the required education. You can just enroll to the free online courses that are available in YouTube and other websites. A decade ago, that was not the case. Education was expensive, and inaccessible in many cases. Now this is one of the positive change that came with the technological progress. Cryptocurrency, online education, free markets.etc are just some of the new technological innovations that are helping poor people.

If you are keen to learn, it's not far anymore especially if you do have access with the internet.

Just like what you just said, online education can be learned using those free courses. there are also free knowledge that you can acquire from YouTube academy.  Smiley

From that beginning success is very possible, knowledge is your key to find the right attitude  in seeking every opportunities.
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July 12, 2021, 01:38:42 PM
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I concur. As I saw on Facebook, he teaches the beggar how to code (how to create his first app) and then gives him a laptop so he may continue. As a result, he has already uploaded his first program on Google Play, and he now refers to himself as a developer. He claims that it will be approved by Google Adsense in a few months, and he will earn from it. Financial assistance from the government is only temporary unless you have a strong desire to start a small business so that you can earn additional money.

Cash handouts do a great deal of harm in the long run. But as far as I can see, a lot of governments are distributing more and more such handouts nowadays, giving the excuse of COVID. And even those who oppose such handouts in principle will find it hard to reject such payments. In the United States, the Biden regime has unveiled additional spending plans worth more than $6 trillion. Anyone in their right mind would oppose these measures, because it will wreck the economy with high taxes and inflation. But at least in the public, there is hardly any opposition.
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July 12, 2021, 01:42:33 PM
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Poor people mentality is when they have money, they spend it on relaxation and luxury. Unlike middle class, they spend their money wisely. With poor people, they lack enough knowledge on handling their finances and where to put it. They also rely on other people and support from the government unlike middle class, they value their hard earned money. They adopt what they learned in school. They are eager to be wealthy and be comfortable in their lives.
If anyone is getting money for relaxation and luxury, i will not call them poor  Cheesy. Either they have money or they do not and it depends upon what you do in terms of your qualification and skill level. No one is born rich until you are born with a golden spoon and your parents have money for generations, if not you will be working hard for having a good life.
but at least having rich parents will have an influence on the mental education of the rich at work. this is not obtained in formal education. Moreover, it is supported by an environment that is a businessman, so the discussion is also about business and speculative, in contrast to the poor and middle class, who tend to seek security in order to live, as if without daring to speculate.

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July 12, 2021, 02:45:59 PM
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I concur. As I saw on Facebook, he teaches the beggar how to code (how to create his first app) and then gives him a laptop so he may continue. As a result, he has already uploaded his first program on Google Play, and he now refers to himself as a developer. He claims that it will be approved by Google Adsense in a few months, and he will earn from it. Financial assistance from the government is only temporary unless you have a strong desire to start a small business so that you can earn additional money.

Cash handouts do a great deal of harm in the long run. But as far as I can see, a lot of governments are distributing more and more such handouts nowadays, giving the excuse of COVID. And even those who oppose such handouts in principle will find it hard to reject such payments. In the United States, the Biden regime has unveiled additional spending plans worth more than $6 trillion. Anyone in their right mind would oppose these measures, because it will wreck the economy with high taxes and inflation. But at least in the public, there is hardly any opposition.

I dunno why, but the government is really like to give the society cash handouts. Not only in US, but in my country too. Dont you know that the fact behind of their cash handout is just to cover their corruption. I have read a lot of corruption news, and the proof of their corruption is covered by their social acting exaggerated..
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July 12, 2021, 10:28:13 PM
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Sometimes, an educated person with a that wealth may even be the worst among with such mentality because of their ignorance.
Imagine a scenario where you explain Cryptocurrency to a friend who is well literate but just don't find it interesting and concluded it as a scam or ponzi scheme. I get angry sometimes when I go to local forums and see how some ignorant display their level of IQ calling bitcoin bad investment.
These set of people are worst than poor and middle class
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July 12, 2021, 11:36:48 PM
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I concur. As I saw on Facebook, he teaches the beggar how to code (how to create his first app) and then gives him a laptop so he may continue. As a result, he has already uploaded his first program on Google Play, and he now refers to himself as a developer. He claims that it will be approved by Google Adsense in a few months, and he will earn from it. Financial assistance from the government is only temporary unless you have a strong desire to start a small business so that you can earn additional money.
Cash handouts do a great deal of harm in the long run. But as far as I can see, a lot of governments are distributing more and more such handouts nowadays, giving the excuse of COVID. And even those who oppose such handouts in principle will find it hard to reject such payments. In the United States, the Biden regime has unveiled additional spending plans worth more than $6 trillion. Anyone in their right mind would oppose these measures, because it will wreck the economy with high taxes and inflation. But at least in the public, there is hardly any opposition.
If there is such an opportunity, then why not do it Grin Just remembered Janet Yellen, who used to have a negative attitude to the economic policy of borrowing, now she is not averse to doing it. It is not necessary to treat such distributions so tragically, if they are of an isolated nature. In any case, governments need to somehow support the economic activity of the population and the state in the conditions of a pandemic and lockdowns, as well as simply help poor people and the middle class survive, and cash handouts are not the worst way to achieve their stated goals. In any case, the Republican minority is also not against cash handouts in principle, and this issue sometimes becomes a hostage of the political struggle between two competing parties.
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July 12, 2021, 11:43:18 PM
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I am living in a 3rd world country and having a middle class family. In public school we are programmed to follow rules and would probably be ending up as Government workers or worst private workers whose salary is way below what's the society is needed to survive. It is undeniably true that we are taught how to speak English but not how to manage our money. We are taught how important addition but not to expand business. It is sad that even in society there's still manipulation but thanks to eye openers somehow I'd like to break the chain.
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July 13, 2021, 02:31:03 AM
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The social life of the poor is more superficial, they create and deal with fewer tests, and they have no chance to improve themselves. The middle class likes to do their own research, and the social resources they can enjoy are also abundant.
There is no big difference between the poor and the middle class in their talents, the difference between them lies in the difference in the possession of resources and the difference in thinking. The most important thing is to improve the standard of living and cultivate the education of future generations through personal study and hard work.
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July 13, 2021, 03:10:08 AM
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I dunno why, but the government is really like to give the society cash handouts. Not only in US, but in my country too. Dont you know that the fact behind of their cash handout is just to cover their corruption. I have read a lot of corruption news, and the proof of their corruption is covered by their social acting exaggerated..

The easiest way to win the election is through cash handouts and freebies. The other route is to garner public support by giving good governance, but that is comparatively more difficult. Also, if the population (i.e voters) is getting cash handouts, then they will become more tolerant to any corruption from the government. The mentality will be like - we are getting our share, and let them have their share. But in the long term, it harms the population by pushing up the inflation and the federal debt levels.

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July 13, 2021, 03:31:07 AM
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The issue of rich and poor, I think it's an extremely difficult issue to have a general view of. We can't have the right to choose a good life right from the moment of being conscious of this life, but we can do it ourselves and of course it is only for those who try to rise up against the circumstances hard. This makes me think that this imbalance will only be changed if everyone on this earth achieves the same mindset awareness, and they have a common direction to find happiness in life. Is a life that I think the people of the future will live, and riches may not be a problem anymore.

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July 13, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
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It's easy to say that they we just have to improve the living standard but if the ruling class doesn't want to fix it because it will make their power and influence much lesser. If you are on their side, I think that's what you will do too, subjugate the lower class and never have them have the chance to get back up.

Unless you are living in a dictatorship, you have the choice to act against it. But from what I have seen, in the third world (and even in most of the developed nations) the poor class rally behind those politicians who offer them the most amount of freebies. They don't vote for candidates who offer them good education or healthcare facilities. And that is the issue with modern democracy. Voters are too stupid to prioritize their long term benefit and vote for those who offer them short term solutions.
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July 13, 2021, 06:43:54 PM
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Things are definitely changing, but it's difficult for me to really make a true assessment of whether it's positive or not in the long run. I come from what's known as a developing country, but from a state with the lowest statistics in HDI. Invisible because national indicators put the country quite high in the region. I mean, I say where I'm from and people immediately think skyscrapers and rich people and fancy modern living... but my own state only achieved in 2020 50% literacy rate -- so that's a marker I think no one believes when I tell them.

To change that, our young people are venturing out more and more, and getting better paying jobs and going to better paying schools. But I'm not sure becoming better people (at least from a tiny sample of what I can observe). These are also the most likely to be the ones hearing about and getting into Bitcoin -- but not to use them, also judging from the discussions I have been able to observe.

It's better than rotting in obscurity and disease in the middle of nowhere and getting left behind by the world, I suppose...
Unfortunately that is the type of place I live as well and I am not sure if it is getting any better neither but a friend helped me understand something better. I know that when I tell people where I am from people think about places like London or New York, but the reality is that 55% of the population is either working for either minimum wage or not working at all (this is all the people between ages 18-65, so there are many more who are under 18 and over 65 that doesn't work as expected too, hence only 30% or so of the city takes care of everyone else).

Long story short we are talking about something that is horrible in the short term, but what my friend helped me realize was the fact that even while we are doing bad now, it is still better than what we had in history, I mean even the biggest King never had the chance to use computers, so it is still getting better.

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July 13, 2021, 07:08:46 PM
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What do i say? Well,  I believe that both failure  and success is a mindset and how to really make it a big time success is by thinking positive both about your self and about what you choose to do for a living,  It doesnt matter if  people look than on that thing or not,  but the main person to bring it to livelines and success is You and that can only be done through positive thinking. just get it that.way.
most times the gap between the poor is positive thinking and how to invest their little earnings  those are just the two differences between a poor man and a rich man. So please endeavour to change your thinking  and be rich.
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July 14, 2021, 10:44:21 AM
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Unfortunately that is the type of place I live as well and I am not sure if it is getting any better neither but a friend helped me understand something better. I know that when I tell people where I am from people think about places like London or New York, but the reality is that 55% of the population is either working for either minimum wage or not working at all (this is all the people between ages 18-65, so there are many more who are under 18 and over 65 that doesn't work as expected too, hence only 30% or so of the city takes care of everyone else).

Long story short we are talking about something that is horrible in the short term, but what my friend helped me realize was the fact that even while we are doing bad now, it is still better than what we had in history, I mean even the biggest King never had the chance to use computers, so it is still getting better.

I agree that even or sometimes especially in urban cities, if you live on the wrong side of the gap, it's really not a fun life. I went to my capital myself in my teens and it was a pretty big culture shock. No swanky neighbourhoods, renting spaces on the floor and not rooms, sharing with 20 other people and using communal taps and bathrooms.

But there, at least there was access to better your life and escape the cycle, is what I'm saying. You talk of a time when Kings didn't have computers. I talk of a time when most of the world will live and die without the opportunity to read or write, much less touch a computer.

But there is a mentality at play here for sure. You can't break out without the right one.

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July 14, 2021, 12:24:13 PM
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There are 3 types of social class  in my country the Upper class, Middle class and the Lower class.
Under the Upper class: Businessman and Investors.
Under the Middle class: Teacher, seafarers and other employees.
Under the Lower class: beggar/ street people.

But no matter what is your status in life me must  respect each other in order to be a better life.
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July 14, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
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Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

In practice, there are indeed some cases where poor people can change their fate up to 180 degrees. We certainly have heard success stories where they come from poor families but managed to turn things around with effort and hard work. But these cases are just a few of the many, who are still in the cycle of poverty. In fact, there are still many people who remain in poverty without being able to change their lives.

The most fatal cause why people remain in poverty is surrender to the situation. They feel that their situation is something that cannot be changed, and they will continue to be in poverty no matter what. The thought then makes them have no desire to try to make things better. They even start blaming other people, like the government or the rich people out there.

If that's the case, then it's no wonder that the cycle of poverty is difficult to break from their lives. Indeed, there is no guarantee that they will succeed in getting out of poverty by trying. But at least by trying there is still a chance to be successful, whereas if we don't do anything then we have no chance at all.
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July 15, 2021, 03:20:25 AM
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I agree that even or sometimes especially in urban cities, if you live on the wrong side of the gap, it's really not a fun life. I went to my capital myself in my teens and it was a pretty big culture shock. No swanky neighbourhoods, renting spaces on the floor and not rooms, sharing with 20 other people and using communal taps and bathrooms.

But there, at least there was access to better your life and escape the cycle, is what I'm saying. You talk of a time when Kings didn't have computers. I talk of a time when most of the world will live and die without the opportunity to read or write, much less touch a computer.

But there is a mentality at play here for sure. You can't break out without the right one.

It is always hard when some migrates to another city to find education or new job. I made the journey myself, so I can understand how difficult it can be. But the beauty of this is that your children will not face the same issues that you have faced. You are already settled down in the capital city, so your children's don't need to move to another city to find job. In all probability you are having a good job and your own house, so the kids don't have to worry about accommodation and other aspects. That is how life goes on in modern world.

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I agree that even or sometimes especially in urban cities, if you live on the wrong side of the gap, it's really not a fun life. I went to my capital myself in my teens and it was a pretty big culture shock. No swanky neighbourhoods, renting spaces on the floor and not rooms, sharing with 20 other people and using communal taps and bathrooms.

But there, at least there was access to better your life and escape the cycle, is what I'm saying. You talk of a time when Kings didn't have computers. I talk of a time when most of the world will live and die without the opportunity to read or write, much less touch a computer.

But there is a mentality at play here for sure. You can't break out without the right one.

It is always hard when some migrates to another city to find education or new job. I made the journey myself, so I can understand how difficult it can be. But the beauty of this is that your children will not face the same issues that you have faced. You are already settled down in the capital city, so your children's don't need to move to another city to find job. In all probability you are having a good job and your own house, so the kids don't have to worry about accommodation and other aspects. That is how life goes on in modern world.
hard work is required when migrating to another city in search of a living. In addition to working hard and getting results, they should try to manage expenses to have a better tomorrow. but the good thing that can be learned is usually they are a formidable figure if they succeed in that new city, where the psychology is mature

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It is always hard when some migrates to another city to find education or new job. I made the journey myself, so I can understand how difficult it can be. But the beauty of this is that your children will not face the same issues that you have faced. You are already settled down in the capital city, so your children's don't need to move to another city to find job. In all probability you are having a good job and your own house, so the kids don't have to worry about accommodation and other aspects. That is how life goes on in modern world.

As did I. If there's one thing I learn about children and generational lessons, though, sometimes you got to live a struggle to understand and appreciate it. It's natural to want the most comfort for those who come after you, but there's a danger that that sort of shelter can have them lose out on empathy and appreciation. Even some small personal lessons for me trying to pass down Bitcoin (or rather, the culture of saving and protecting value for the long term). If they didn't earn it, they don't protect it as well, I've noticed;)

hard work is required when migrating to another city in search of a living. In addition to working hard and getting results, they should try to manage expenses to have a better tomorrow. but the good thing that can be learned is usually they are a formidable figure if they succeed in that new city, where the psychology is mature

It's especially more difficult when you come from the rural areas. Hard work is a given, but there's also a lot to overcome, and a fair bit of luck. I suppose a lot of us have been through that period and some come out better than others.

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July 15, 2021, 06:24:11 AM
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Rich people become richer while the poor/middle class will remain the same or even become poorer. This is about our mindset of what we do now. Poor/Middle-class people never teach in school how to grow their money but instead, they have been taught how to become a slave ( go to school and find a job after). While Rich people have been taught how to grow their businesses and make more businesses.

One factor that has a huge influence on our minds is what we get from school. Mostly we are financially illiterate which brought us to become less fortunate and it is really hard to change.

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