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July 26, 2021, 03:15:12 AM
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The poor are always obsessed with their inherent wrong way of thinking, and have no chance to break this state and living environment. The rich will constantly seek new opportunities and try new things.
  • The poor will pay more attention to consumption. No matter how much money they have, they will spend it all and have no savings for life.
  • The middle class will manage their money. They keep trying new things, are good at challenging, and will buy assets, and what they invest in will bring them greater benefits.
The difference between the poor and the middle class is mainly reflected in personal efforts to improve lives and educational opportunities.
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July 26, 2021, 03:20:35 AM
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That's the easy part today because the poor can now handle putting their money to work through cryptocurrencies. It's hard to do this before because investing needs a ton of money and then unbank are not welcome to establishments. The institutions and laws before are making it hard because they want the poor to remain poor. Its time to start thinking rich.

I can't agree with most of your post. Investing doesn't need a ton of money. You can invest in Bitcoin even with $10 or $100. And someone who had invested $100 in Bitcoin on 2012 will be now witnessing his coins growing in value to $700,000. The trick is to invest in the right asset, at the right time. And now regarding your argument that the system want poor to remain poor, some of the blame should fall on the poor people themselves. Let's take a case where a political party offers free education and skills training to the poor people. At the same time, another political party offers freebies and handouts. In 99% of the cases, the poor people will vote for the latter party, and that is the reason why they will remain poor.

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July 26, 2021, 10:44:11 PM
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“We all have tremendous potential, and we all are blessed with gifts. Yet, the one thing that holds all of us back is some degree of self-doubt. It is not so much the lack of technical information that holds us back, but more the lack of self-confidence.”
― Robert T. Kiyosaki, Rich Dad, Poor Dad

our creator does not favor his creation, poverty is not destiny but the result of a mindset.  those who are poor are those who are afraid to take risks and also work extra hard.  “poverty is my destiny” is a sentence that only losers say.

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July 26, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
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“We all have tremendous potential, and we all are blessed with gifts. Yet, the one thing that holds all of us back is some degree of self-doubt. It is not so much the lack of technical information that holds us back, but more the lack of self-confidence.”
― Robert T. Kiyosaki, Rich Dad, Poor Dad

our creator does not favor his creation, poverty is not destiny but the result of a mindset.  those who are poor are those who are afraid to take risks and also work extra hard.  “poverty is my destiny” is a sentence that only losers say.
Somewhat part of fate because there are people who do really tried out their best but still ending up on the same place or doesnt really show any progress or improvement at all.
Although not all but majority of them do really just surrender and just decided on living as it should be and some doesnt stop until they dont able to reach out their dreams.
It is indeed depending on someones mindset because we do have different goals or targets in life and with that effort and a mix of luck towards on things you are engaging
on then you would really be having that chance on making it happen.It is a matter on how one will purse and of course you would need to do the hard work.

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July 29, 2021, 04:54:53 PM
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Great example, thanks!
Another small nuance - NOW the time has come when an ORDINARY person can achieve a noticeable result. Into the world of technology, in order to earn money, change your social status, it is no longer necessary to be born into the family of a banker, industrialist or politician! Quite enough desires, skills or craving for learning, perseverance. This is the recipe for success today. True, this will not work for everyone, but let's remember - only the one who does nothing is not mistaken. After the first failure, you should not go into depression and stop trying to do something, change something in your life!
This is one that can be used as inspiration for those who want to think smart. A person's success in achieving this level of success depend on how we put the desire, interest, perseverance and consistency to learn it. In this forum, we have many people who have more knowledge and experience about bitcoin, trading, investing and other cryptocurrencies. We can use it to gain some lessons and knowledge because that is the way it is always recommended. The point is, don't be shy about asking.
Do not get hyped because you can get "rich" in the sense that if your goal in life is to make a million dollars, or even maybe few million dollars you will be able to do that. However if you want to be richest person in the entire world then you will have to realize that NOBODY at the top came from poverty, they are all rich people and that will have to continue.

Even Lebron James who is nearly a billionaire now I think, came from nothing and made a billion dollars but that dude is ONE player in all of NBA that became that rich compared to all the players that played in NBA history, so it is quite rare, it is already as rare as it gets to be an NBA player, we are talking about rare squared here

So, do not really get your hopes up about being super rich, you will have maximum of few million dollars which you can achieve via cryptocurrency investments but these days million dollars gives you a middle class life of a 60's person.

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July 29, 2021, 06:03:19 PM
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there is also much middle class who earn money dishonestly
I remember the wise words that Jack Ma said: "human destiny is only death, the rest is our efforts and hard work"

rich is a mindset and not destiny and this has been proven by millions of successful people around the world
while those who are poor always blame circumstances and continue to think that being poor is destiny
it's true that being rich is a choice we make and not destiny or inheritance from parents so everyone can get rich regardless of whether their parents are rich or poor.
but the current case is for poor people the pressure is very large because they have to be able to survive from the lowest point to be able to achieve success, in contrast to people who have been born with scattered assets, they will be able to at least continue from their parents, even it's not uncommon for those who are rich without the help of their parents to still be successful, but that's only a handful of people. the rest, many of them still take advantage of the wealth they have from their parents which can be used to start their own business.
not only there starting from the environment, education to finding a job even though the poor people have more pressure than the rich. but that's what makes the difference if they are successful they have more resilience because they are mentally trained to survive

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    I remember that I have never left the topic of rich or poor since I was born.
The level of education between family and family is really unbalanced. Most parents just talk about entering key universities because they have not been exposed to higher education. In fact, their true inner thoughts are that they can go to ordinary universitiesis fine.

In some places, children either study in key universities or have the opportunity to study abroad. Anyone’s child is very embarrassing for their parents if they are admitted to a normal university.

Most of the poor are content with their own lives and do not have a positive and hard-working spirit, and the middle class has requirements of themselves and must meet this requirement.

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I believe that a child has two basic factors that influences and shapes their mindset; family, environment. If one comes from a poor family and poor background chances are you learn very early that life isn't fair to the poor. I think the rough environment strengthens you for the real world and anyone who makes it out of the poverty line is always better for it
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August 06, 2021, 03:07:11 PM
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It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.
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It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.
It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.
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It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.
It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.
On the contrary I don't think poor people are contented with the situation of their finances. They just don't know how to get out of the maze, they work four jobs and still have little or nothing to show for it. Being poor ultimately means a poor education. There aren't many opportunities out there
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The difference between the poor and the rich is that the poor are grown up with reality, while the rich are grown up with facilities.  it may be true that poor people are mentally weak and lack high ideals but not always rich people have high ideals that they want to achieve.  for me it all goes back to how children are raised and raised.  sometimes after growing up a person makes his choice to choose to have a little wealth so that he is not so busy in his life rather than having a lot of wealth and not having time for family.

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August 07, 2021, 03:54:21 AM
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The biggest difference is the accessibility to right information and good education.

I don't think human differ that much in IQ, but with a bad teacher, you are really wasting your time in school for years. It is all about viewing things from the right angle. Even today, only a few rich kids knows how the society works, most of the people only see very little part of the whole picture

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The biggest difference is the accessibility to right information and good education.

I don't think human differ that much in IQ, but with a bad teacher, you are really wasting your time in school for years. It is all about viewing things from the right angle. Even today, only a few rich kids knows how the society works, most of the people only see very little part of the whole picture

actually, school for to get experience about society. and yes if kid need to learn something, but the point still how to interact with each other.
and many poor kid show their fangs after graduation, like they have good grades and pass every obstacle, accepted by good company. the rich one show their life with other way, because they already rich.
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Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

Education only teaches us about rules, discipline, how to behave, build dreams, doesn't make us rich, only a means of bridge to success. Education here is very important whether it's a school for the rich or poor but does not determine one's fate. They can be successful and rich because of themselves, their efforts and never ending prayers.

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August 08, 2021, 03:52:38 AM
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Education only teaches us about rules, discipline, how to behave, build dreams, doesn't make us rich, only a means of bridge to success. Education here is very important whether it's a school for the rich or poor but does not determine one's fate. They can be successful and rich because of themselves, their efforts and never ending prayers.

The executions of all the education that you acquired, as the very important piece is your experienced.

Education is a good foundation walking to the right path of success, if you have all those good foundation your chance is better than those with less, and that's very good point efforts and more on your faith that day will come everything will convert to success, richness is open for everyone there's always luck for each person..
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August 09, 2021, 09:51:41 AM
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The executions of all the education that you acquired, as the very important piece is your experienced.

Education is a good foundation walking to the right path of success, if you have all those good foundation your chance is better than those with less, and that's very good point efforts and more on your faith that day will come everything will convert to success, richness is open for everyone there's always luck for each person..

The debate about education and experience which is more important in a career seems to never stop. The holders of academic degrees offer high technical knowledge and expertise, because they are already equipped with theory and all forms of things they are good at in an academic form.
Meanwhile, those who have worked for years (who are experienced) bring practical experience with proven success. Ideally, every employee has a combination of these two qualities. But of course this ideal quality can not always be obtained.
You may belong to one of these two groups, but there is no need to argue further, because in fact these two qualities are complementary. Learning about each other's strengths will give you the opportunity to learn from each other.
from here we should be more objective in paying attention to something because if we look at it, experience and education are all very important.
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August 09, 2021, 02:09:58 PM
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Education only teaches us about rules, discipline, how to behave, build dreams, doesn't make us rich, only a means of bridge to success. Education here is very important whether it's a school for the rich or poor but does not determine one's fate. They can be successful and rich because of themselves, their efforts and never ending prayers.

Here in my country we treat education as a special factor or a special ticket to get a good job, education taught me how to become a good citizen, obey rules and regulation and be a good employer but as I remember in my 16 years of education up to my college days all that the education instructor taught is to become a good employer but never have had tell to become a good investor or businessman. I've been born and raised in a poor family which my parents instill in my younger mind to finished my studies to get a good job but they never told me to finish my study and get rich. But now those advices that I've gained from my parents and environment has now changed, i am still struggling in life but at least changing my mind set from my younger self I treat it as a good start for a new beginning.
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August 10, 2021, 05:03:44 AM
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In general opinion we often hear that poor families will give birth to a generation that is no less poor. Empirically I think that answer is correct.

As explained by social science disciplines, poverty is always a straight line with low education. Therefore, if a child has a genetic link in a poor learning environment, the outcome will be poor.

This is also what Nicolaus Driyarkara notes about disintegration. Every social change (disintegration) by itself results in 1,000 problems in education.

Thus, it can be concluded that if in an area the population lives below the poverty line, it is certain that education in that area is neglected. Of course we can argue that education is not the only factor causing poverty.

There are economic, political, and socio-cultural factors that cannot be ruled out either. However, it is difficult for us to avoid it because education is the only rational answer that we can receive to break the chain of poverty.
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Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

Your opinion is also correct, but I need to add that in terms of alleviating the social class gap and education, the state is also obliged to pay attention to the lives of its citizens.

countries need to carry out several strategies to address every problem of social and educational inequality, including:

Early childhood development and nutrition: these steps help children grow in their first 1,000 days. Malnutrition and lack of cognitive growth during this period can cause educational delays and reduce their achievement later in life.

Health protection for all: Providing coverage for poor people to get affordable and timely health services, and at the same time increasing people's capacity to learn, work and progress.

Access to quality education for all: The number of students worldwide has increased and the focus must shift from simply sending children to school to providing quality education for every child wherever they are. Education for all children must prioritize the learning process, knowledge and skill development as well as the quality of teachers.

Cash transfers to poor families: This program provides poor families with a basic income, enabling them to keep their children in school and enabling mothers to access basic health services. The money can also help poor families buy necessities such as seeds, fertilizer, or livestock, and help them deal with droughts, floods, pandemic disasters, economic crises or other shocks. Cash transfers have been shown to reduce poverty and create opportunities for both parents and children.

Rural infrastructure – particularly roads and electricity supply: Construction of rural roads can reduce transportation costs, connect rural farmers to markets to sell their goods, and allow workers to move more freely, and improve access to education and health services. For example, providing electricity to rural communities in Guatemala and South Africa has helped increase the female workforce. Access to electricity also makes small-scale home businesses more viable and productive, which is indispensable for the poor in rural areas.

Progressive taxation system: A fair and progressive taxation system can finance policies so that the necessary government programs run well, allocating available resources to the poorest people. The tax system can be designed to reduce inequality and at the same time maintain budget efficiency.
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