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June 30, 2021, 07:22:36 PM
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What happened: A certain exchanger (bithub.im), which usually does not accept applications from 0 to 8 am Moscow time, unexpectedly started working at this time and went to the top in bitcoin directions.

It's easy to guess what happened next: users went to change at a "favorable rate", receiving nothing in return.

The administrator of the exchanger, having come in the morning, turned off the site and wrote standard unsubscriptions for 15 days, offering nothing to anyone or promising. Best_Change does the same, suggesting "wait for a solution to the situation" and "wait for new information." In fact, they limited themselves to removing the no longer working exchanger from their "reliable" monitoring, and all their real actions ended there. A lot of people were deceived, Balthazar counted about 30 people:

We told users that we were also held hostage to the situation. Due to the actions of cybercriminals, many users were affected for a large amount. The exchange office does not have such reserves to pay to all the victims. Therefore, we turned to lawyers and filed a statement with the police. Also, we are trying to find a way out of this situation that will satisfy all parties to the conflict. Our lawyers prepare recommendations for affected users. Unfortunately, all this takes time.

Both bithub.im and BestChange received a significant number of requests containing information about unpaid orders.
Unfortunately, due to the fact that a significant part of these requests contains false information and comes from scammers, which hosted the bithub.im site, we still cannot start actions to resolve the situation. BestChange apologizes to users for the long waiting period, however, for objective reasons, we are forced to conduct a full analysis of the incoming information. Unfortunately, this process takes a long time. Regarding the removal of reviews, we inform you that the policy of the BestChange service is aimed at preserving positive, negative and neutral reviews left by real users. In cases where we receive requests from exchange offices to remove reviews, we always ask to provide full information about the situation.

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343984.0 Balthazar (c)
- https://www.bestchange.ru/bithub-exchanger.html Use the Google translate

Reality: bithub.im and BestChange have not been able to resolve the situation with payments for about two weeks, in addition, BestChange removes negative reviews on its website, saying that these reviews are bogus. BestChange is running a signature campaign on the forum so I doubt any of the DTs will create a flag or leave a red feedback.

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July 01, 2021, 12:08:10 AM
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I'm not sure why exactly are accusing BestChange in this case. as far as I can see many of the negative comments (55 negatives of 77 comments about them) are still visible on https://www.bestchange.ru/bithub-exchanger.html
I can't find it on the English version of the website.
Also, they removed Bithub from the listing 05.06.2021. which is 10 days before Balthazar open thread against BestChange and it doesn't seem objective here.




Reality: bithub.im and BestChange have not been able to resolve the situation with payments for about two weeks, in addition, BestChange removes negative reviews on its website, saying that these reviews are bogus. BestChange is running a signature campaign on the forum so I doubt any of the DTs will create a flag or leave a red feedback.


Balthazar is DT2 and he leaves them negative feedback.

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July 01, 2021, 07:35:01 AM
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Reality: bithub.im and BestChange have not been able to resolve the situation with payments for about two weeks, in addition, BestChange removes negative reviews on its website, saying that these reviews are bogus. BestChange is running a signature campaign on the forum so I doubt any of the DTs will create a flag or leave a red feedback.

What do you want BestChange to do in this case? Pay up everyone who makes a claim on bithub.im's behalf, minus carrying out any full depth investigation?
As far as I can see, BestChange is tied up to how fast bithub.im can work on solving the issue.

The victims didn't deposit any money on Bestchange and even if they did, such Issues don't get worked on overnight.

The answer they gave is pretty much reasonable for now. Incidents happen. Just give them sometime before you start blaming DT members for not sending them negative feedback. I have tried to look through the accusation, but I haven't seen anywhere they said they don't want to solve the problem.

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I've just seen that Best_Change made a (long) statement on bithub.im situation.
Some highlights would be "On the night between 4 to 5 June, according to preliminary information, the exchanger bithub.im was hacked." and
"the majority of the victims managed to receive the funds lost as a result of the hack of the exchanger, the rest will also receive them".

I hope it helps.

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August 07, 2021, 08:52:53 PM
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I've just seen that Best_Change made a (long) statement on bithub.im situation.
Some highlights would be "On the night between 4 to 5 June, according to preliminary information, the exchanger bithub.im was hacked." and
"the majority of the victims managed to receive the funds lost as a result of the hack of the exchanger, the rest will also receive them".

I hope it helps.
So airfinex seems to be an account that was created to stir up drama around and then go back to inactivity until there's something else to stir up next time. I should never take it seriously, next time.

They don't even care about what happens afterwards (whether the case gets resolved or not). All they care about is specific profiles receiving negative feedback.

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September 02, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
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I see that there are some changes. Perhaps my rating should be either removed or corrected, I’ll do something about that a bit later.
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September 02, 2021, 09:34:33 PM
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Looks like some angry users who got his money back and forgot to write about it.
I doubt if he was one of the affected users. I am not saying that one shouldn't complain when something unlikely comes up about a certain service, but the particular profile (airfinex) was created to either get someone banned or cause some drama if you look at the post history. Afterwards, he just goes offline until he gets something new to howl about.

Here are some of the topics he has opened up
- Merit Source - Plagiarist
- Who controls Bestchange's account?
- Is Theymos really a lauda?
- Why does Foxpup only send negative feedback?
- MoparMiningLLC Escrow in account sales?
- Moderator Xal0lex - Informal Plagiarist


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I doubt if he was one of the affected users. I am not saying that one shouldn't complain when something unlikely comes up about a certain service, but the particular profile (airfinex) was created to either get someone banned or cause some drama if you look at the post history. Afterwards, he just goes offline until he gets something new to howl about.

Here are some of the topics he has opened up
- Merit Source - Plagiarist
- Who controls Bestchange's account?
- Is Theymos really a lauda?
- Why does Foxpup only send negative feedback?
- MoparMiningLLC Escrow in account sales?
- Moderator Xal0lex - Informal Plagiarist
Absolutely right! I hide my identity to avoid persecution! But this does not mean at all that I am wrong!

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On the night between 4 to 5 June, according to preliminary information, the exchanger bithub.im was hacked. During several night hours, fraudsters managed to get an equivalent of 70,000 USD. The threat actors acted thoughtfully and carefully, without revealing in any way the fact of interception of control of the service, thus bypassing the automatic protection systems of monitoring and the protocols of the moderators' actions.

As Sarkis Darbinyan, managing partner of the law firm Digital Rights Center, which represents the interests of the exchanger, comments on the situation:

“On the night of June 5, 2021, from 00:00 to 08:00, as a result of malicious actions by unknown persons, access to the management of the bithub.im service was illegally obtained. The cybercriminals bypassed all means of protection and notifications about security breaches, both from the side of the service and from the side of users. They were able, among other things, to disable the notifications of exchange requests sent to the exchanger administrator via Telegram, as well as completely delete all information about all exchange requests received during the above period. The bithub.im administration was forced to turn off the service at 07:00 on June 5, 2021, and immediately notify the representatives of the monitoring.”

We received the first letter from the administration of the exchanger about the hack of their resource already at 7:09, after which their account on the monitor was immediately suspended from the listing to prevent worsening of the situation.

Afterwards, the representatives of the exchanger placed their message on different resources, having confirmed the fact of the hacking.

“Any statements, guarantees, promises, commercial proposals, as well as any information that you could have received by sending requests to bithub.im between 00.00 and 08.00 on June 5, 2021, were provided by persons who have absolutely nothing to do with the bithub.im administration. <...> If you sent funds for the exchange through the bithub.im service during this period of time, these funds were received not by the administration of the service, but by attackers," the service representatives noted.

Soon after the incident, the administration of the monitor advised the administrator of the bithub service to contact law-enforcing authorities for the prompt investigation of the incident. Meanwhile, our moderators together with lawyers and the administrator of the hacked services launched their own independent investigation.

Later we received confirmation from the legal firm that with their help an application was drawn up to the police with a requirement to initiate an investigation of the incident and it has already been registered with the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

“The administration of the bithub.im service turned to the law firm Digital Rights Center (DRC) for professional assistance in connection with the incident. At the moment, we have submitted an application, which is registered in the register of reports of crimes (KUSP), a pre-investigation check is being conducted on it. Acts committed by unidentified persons or a group of persons may fall under the signs of corpus delicti under Art. 272 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Illegal access to computer information), art. 273 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Creation, use and distribution of malicious computer programs), as well as Art. 159.6 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Fraud in the field of computer information), ” Sarkis Darbinyan comments on the situation. “Recently, the number of such cases has become much more frequent. Therefore, it is especially important to report such incidents. Of course, law enforcement agencies are not very good at investigating such cases. Therefore, we are now helping them in every possible way and collecting evidence that will help to catch and punish the attacker.”

Despite that we are not to blame for what has happened with the exchanger, and also the fact that legally we are not bound for such cases, we could not leave our users in trouble, who trusted our service for many years, therefore, from the first hours after the incident, we began to negotiate on behalf of the victims with all parties to the conflict

During investigation, we found possible bottlenecks in the security of the hosting and the hacked service. Based on the received data, mechanisms of check for suspicions operations were improved, as well as abnormal behaviour for exchangers with non-round-the-clock service. Recommendations for other exchangers were developed, and their owners were informed about the imperfection of the security system of the hosting center of the reg.ru service.

As of now, both investigations are not completed yet, however on the 5 August 2021, with the assistance of the investors who wish to stay anonymous, we initiated the first wave of payouts. The administrator of the exchanger returned users funds which were lost due to the incident. In the first queue, there were those victims who provided complete irrefutable information about their losses. As of now, 28,700 USD has been paid out which is about half of the total amount of damage (according to preliminary data).

We would like to thank everyone who assisted in the investigation and provided us with full information, thanks to which we managed to solve this issue faster than we thought we would.

Both the administration of the exchanger and we received a large number of requests with information about unpaid orders. Unfortunately, a portion of these requests has false information, which has significantly complicated the analysis.

In the second queue of payouts, there are users that have not provided all the necessary evidence, but who do not raise serious suspicion. However. due to the fact that among those affected there were unscrupulous users who, during the incident, claimed unreasonable payments from the exchange office, solving the problem in relation to them will take more time.

Despite the partial payouts, we still face a colossal volume of work to eradicate consequences and establishing all the circumstances of the hack. The investigations are ongoing, we need more information to objectively evaluate the responsibilities of all the sides to the incident. We also hope that law=enforcement authorities will manage to identify scammers and catch them.

From our side, we would like to thank all the victims for their patience and understanding. We are glad that the majority of the victims managed to receive the funds lost as a result of the hack of the exchanger, the rest will also receive them. Our special thanks go to the lawyers of the Digital Rights Center, and specifically Sarkis Darbinyan, as their firm is working as a mediator in this complicated situation, as well as provides necessary legal consultations connected with the ongoing investigation.


As of 22 Septemeber 2021, all victims who have contacted us and provided proof that they had made a transaction to Bithub when it was hacked, were credited their funds.

If you are a victim of Bithub hack, please contact us at support@bestchange.com.

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I see that there are some changes. Perhaps my rating should be either removed or corrected, I’ll do something about that a bit later.
Quite sad that you have been offline for almost a month. I am quoting you, hoping you get a notification if you subscribed to one of the telegram bots and came back here.

BestChange don't deserve the negative feedback, not today. They have done everything possible to work on the problem.  Imagine if something else came up, wouldn't it kill their spirit to sort out issues since some DT members just leave negative feedback to profiles regardless of the efforts they have put in to get it solved?

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Can someone create a scam accusation against Google, Yahoo, Bing and all type of search engines? They also can create scam accusation against Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and all other type of social media. I would also want to see scam accusations against Gumtree type portals, real estate portals, all directory type sites etc. Let us all scrap these site online and continue tagging. Oh yes, let's go against all P2P sites too, including Binance P2P.

I don't understand why BestChange is in question here? At the beginning I have seen accusation against them for similar cases. At that time they did not have many people to defend them since they were new. But now they have. However, question still remains that why even there is a question against BestChange?

BestChange is a site who lists exchanges. More like a directory. Obviously they do their due diligence which is obvious to keep their service trusted and reliable. If one or more company scams or do any wrongdoing, they can just remove them. What else one expects from them? That they should take liability of all the exchanges they listed on their site? Is it even logical?

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October 03, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
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OP exists to hate on Ratimov, that is their sole purpose behind creating this thread. Its unfortunate that the account that tagged BestChange was apparently holding out for some kind of 'thanks' before doing the right thing and removing their negative, otherwise they would have just removed it after they realized they were wrong.

I see that there are some changes. Perhaps my rating should be either removed or corrected, I’ll do something about that a bit later.

I normally try not to comment on BestChange-related matters but Balthazar's negative is objectively incorrect in this instance and I will be excluding them from my trust list.

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November 18, 2021, 06:58:02 AM
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I see that there are some changes. Perhaps my rating should be either removed or corrected, I’ll do something about that a bit later.
Quite sad that you have been offline for almost a month. I am quoting you, hoping you get a notification if you subscribed to one of the telegram bots and came back here.
I removed this rating and replaced it with neutrally-positive comment. Sorry for this delay, I was really busy dealing with real-life issues.
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