Inoue vs Donaire II discussion

[Russlenat]

^[snip]
Donaire showed who really is based on his style, and since he is not really an undefeated fighter, we can't expect that he will win against every opponent, Inoue is just great,  he has not experienced a loss up to now and he is a disciplined boxer who has a great coach in his corner, it's hard to beat this man and Donaire cannot beat him in the rematch.

Well, let us see when the fight will come because if you are going to ask me, --I am still on the side of Donaire even if his opponent is Inoue.
But as a matter of fact and I admit this, both fighters are aggressive and technically predicting who will win based on the previous record, Inoue seems to have a good record than Donaire, but the gap is not that big that Donaire is in the underdog.
However, so far I don't see any schedule for both of them, it could be there is a match and it could be not.

There's no schedule yet because this is just a rumor, for now, Donaire just recently won a championship fight and it's actually him who is eager to fight a champion again since his fight with Casimero was canceled for some reason, then there's no bigger fish in the division that he would be interested in fighting and that is Inoue, and for sure Inoue would accept the challenge.

We just have to wait for the official announcement but this fight will likely happen.

[stomachgrowls]

Donaire's jab is also good in my opinion, the problem is that Inoue is so much faster than him, that's why he was beaten to it. And if he wanted to counter, he need to have a perfect timing, and usually that's what happen in the first fight. But as you have said, as the fight gets longer, Donaire's chances are getting thinner. He needs to get up and shoot for his left hook early so that Inoue will be on the defensive and can't get this jab easily.

Donaire needs to think of better ways unlike their first match where he throw lots of punch and even he convert some Inoue just take it and not being alarmed, the only way he can beat Inoue is for him to take a lucky combo with strength on it and not just a let go punch.

We can't say the chance but since Inoue still the favorite here, Donaire really needs to work more to find the right strategy.

Rematch might have  different outcome but  hopefully it's more entertaining than the last fight.

Good counter with precise timing will be the key and its true that Donaire had thrown lots of punches but only a few do really land out successfully which is really waste of stamina.

If you do try to look at on Inoue where punches do have higher percentage of landed hits plus the power or impact then its no doubt that it could really knocked down opponents.

I dont have any problems with Donaire in terms of experience but he should really need to speed up a bit or enhance his footwork and would focus a bit more on counter punching
which is he is known for.

"The Flash" shouldnt really be just for show.

Even if Donaire could catch Inoue with his patented left hook, I don't think he could knock out the Monster as the latter has proven that he don't have a glass chin as shown in their first fight plus the fact that he seldom hit Inoue on that fight.

I agree that he needs to work out more on his footwork and counter punching but at this stage of his career, I don't think it would change as it wouldn't change overnight.

I'm just thinking that this would be the retirement fight for Donaire because of age and he is not Manny Pacquiao that even if old, many fans are eager to see him fight.

Comparing him to Manny hmmm i could say that it is a huge gap considering on how many belts that they do able to hold out and the count of divisions based on stats.

Popularity talks then nothing beats out Pacquiao on this one but we cant just ignore that Donaire is a good fighter on his own way but well, there would be always a better fighter than you.


About Inoue's chin, at first glance you could really tell that this boy had a fragile chin but based up on his career stats then its impossible on avoiding hits and now he's still undefeated
which does proves out that he's currently the best or great on his weight division.

[freedomgo]

About Inoue's chin, at first glance you could really tell that this boy had a fragile chin but based up on his career stats then its impossible on avoiding hits and now he's still undefeated
which does proves out that he's currently the best or great on his weight division.

It's easy to achieve that shape, Inoue is just gifted because he is fast and a heavy hitter, most of his fights are won by KO, you can tell he could really dominate his division. Naoya Inoue is only 28 years old, this boy can still improve and will become a complete fighter.

He is short like Manny Pacquiao, who knows he might be the next Pacquiao.

[ReiMomo]

^[snip]
Donaire showed who really is based on his style, and since he is not really an undefeated fighter, we can't expect that he will win against every opponent, Inoue is just great,  he has not experienced a loss up to now and he is a disciplined boxer who has a great coach in his corner, it's hard to beat this man and Donaire cannot beat him in the rematch.

Well, let us see when the fight will come because if you are going to ask me, --I am still on the side of Donaire even if his opponent is Inoue.
But as a matter of fact and I admit this, both fighters are aggressive and technically predicting who will win based on the previous record, Inoue seems to have a good record than Donaire, but the gap is not that big that Donaire is in the underdog.
However, so far I don't see any schedule for both of them, it could be there is a match and it could be not.

There's no schedule yet because this is just a rumor, for now, Donaire just recently won a championship fight and it's actually him who is eager to fight a champion again since his fight with Casimero was canceled for some reason, then there's no bigger fish in the division that he would be interested in fighting and that is Inoue, and for sure Inoue would accept the challenge.

We just have to wait for the official announcement but this fight will likely happen.

Obviously, this fight would happen because there's no other fighter on that division that potentially to fight with Donaire and I guess you were right, Inoue is the perfect match for Donaire on this division.

For now, let's prepare to watch the fight between Manny Pacquiao and Errol Spence Jr.

@OP, can I request to add a voting poll to know if there are other potential boxers that could challenge Donaire?

[Yamifoud]

^[snip]
Donaire showed who really is based on his style, and since he is not really an undefeated fighter, we can't expect that he will win against every opponent, Inoue is just great,  he has not experienced a loss up to now and he is a disciplined boxer who has a great coach in his corner, it's hard to beat this man and Donaire cannot beat him in the rematch.

Well, let us see when the fight will come because if you are going to ask me, --I am still on the side of Donaire even if his opponent is Inoue.
But as a matter of fact and I admit this, both fighters are aggressive and technically predicting who will win based on the previous record, Inoue seems to have a good record than Donaire, but the gap is not that big that Donaire is in the underdog.
However, so far I don't see any schedule for both of them, it could be there is a match and it could be not.

There's no schedule yet because this is just a rumor, for now, Donaire just recently won a championship fight and it's actually him who is eager to fight a champion again since his fight with Casimero was canceled for some reason, then there's no bigger fish in the division that he would be interested in fighting and that is Inoue, and for sure Inoue would accept the challenge.

We just have to wait for the official announcement but this fight will likely happen.

Obviously, this fight would happen because there's no other fighter on that division that potentially to fight with Donaire and I guess you were right, Inoue is the perfect match for Donaire on this division.

There are two big fights in bantamweight division, Inoue vs Donaire and Rigo vs Casimero.. if they want to make it more entertaining, the respective winners of the fight will have to fight each other so there will undisputed a champion in that division.

For now, let's prepare to watch the fight between Manny Pacquiao and Errol Spence Jr.

I'm always prepared, in fact I can't wait anymore.

@OP, can I request to add a voting poll to know if there are other potential boxers that could challenge Donaire?

I 2nd.

[YuginKadoya]

for this Donaire VS Inoue rematch, I will bet for Nonito Donaire to win I have seen the change of pace on Donaire's style and that fight with Nordine Oubaali had proved despite his age had changed a lot that he surely has what it takes to win against Naoya Inoue, and to show support for my fellow Filipino.

We cannot compare Oubaali to Inoue, Inoue is faster stronger than Oubaali, honestly, Donaire's chances are slim but we never know Inoue may look invincible but Donaire's team will look for flaws and exploit it, let's see how it goes if Donaire wins here, expect a third rematch here.

We can not compare Inoue with Oubaali because they are surely two different fighters with two different styles, and Naoya Inoue is surely a world-class fighter his body shots is really powerful and devastating when it hits, it can surely stun his opponent, Speed, and Power that is Naoya Inoue, however, I think Nonito Donaire surely experience this sensation and the fight with Inoue has realized what he's going to do If you look at their first fight you can see that Donaire hang on and even withstands Naoya Inoue's punches and I think Naoya Inoue also had a hard time-fighting Donaire that is what I think and sometimes to beat your opponent you got to experience him first before getting a conclusion on what to do, I think Donaire will have his revenge.

We all saw the first fight and its clear domination by Inoue, however, that domination can be said that he is still fighting the hardest fight of his career as a boxer as he was injured in that fight. Donaire is also a champion, Inoue cannot underestimate Donaire, so if they are into the rematch, Inoue should train harder.

What I observed about Inoue is that he is fast but he lacks head movement, that's why he got hit in the face with some good counter by Donaire, however, Inoue is also strong, he always come back and hit donaire with some pair of heavy shots as well.

We can not say for sure, I am seeing Inoue really dominates in this fight, but in my opinion, it is on the last couple of rounds where he hit Donaire in the ribs, and we can see Donaire stumble on the floor because of that body shot Inoue have given, from there on I can say that all-round was for Inoue but we can not let pass the determination of a Nonito Donaire he had given Naoya Inoue a really good fight and the hardest fight for Inoue in his entire career If Naoya would train hard for this fight I think Donaire will give in double effort to train for this,

In my opinion, if he hits Inoue with a clean counter punch again this can be a win for Donaire but the tenacity and power of Naoya Inoue is another factor to win for Inoue.

[harizen]

Obviously, this fight would happen because there's no other fighter on that division that potentially to fight with Donaire and I guess you were right, Inoue is the perfect match for Donaire on this division.

Maybe we can rephrase your statement as it was turning out that Donaire is at the top of that weight class and division as you used the word "potentially" for Inoue.

It should be, Donaire is the perfect match for Inoue as the former is seeking revenge on his bitter loss against the latter. But for me, I like to see a Casimero vs Inoue first before the Donaire's revenge to sealed up those speculations that Casimero won't stand a chance against Inoue by any means. However, Casimero needs to deal first with Rigondeaux to have a ticket against Inoue.

[Kemarit]

Obviously, this fight would happen because there's no other fighter on that division that potentially to fight with Donaire and I guess you were right, Inoue is the perfect match for Donaire on this division.

Maybe we can rephrase your statement as it was turning out that Donaire is at the top of that weight class and division as you used the word "potentially" for Inoue.

It should be, Donaire is the perfect match for Inoue as the former is seeking revenge on his bitter loss against the latter. But for me, I like to see a Casimero vs Inoue first before the Donaire's revenge to sealed up those speculations that Casimero won't stand a chance against Inoue by any means. However, Casimero needs to deal first with Rigondeaux to have a ticket against Inoue.

There are only 3 boxers who holds the belt in this weight class, Inoue, Donaire and Casimero. And these 3 has been chasing each other since, Casimero calling Inoue and then Donaire wanting to get his revenge against Inoue.

They can have mandatory fights or some fights to get them busy, but at the end of the day, they really have to face each other to see who are the best amongst the 3.

[stadus]

Obviously, this fight would happen because there's no other fighter on that division that potentially to fight with Donaire and I guess you were right, Inoue is the perfect match for Donaire on this division.

Maybe we can rephrase your statement as it was turning out that Donaire is at the top of that weight class and division as you used the word "potentially" for Inoue.

It should be, Donaire is the perfect match for Inoue as the former is seeking revenge on his bitter loss against the latter. But for me, I like to see a Casimero vs Inoue first before the Donaire's revenge to sealed up those speculations that Casimero won't stand a chance against Inoue by any means. However, Casimero needs to deal first with Rigondeaux to have a ticket against Inoue.

There are only 3 boxers who holds the belt in this weight class, Inoue, Donaire and Casimero. And these 3 has been chasing each other since, Casimero calling Inoue and then Donaire wanting to get his revenge against Inoue.

They can have mandatory fights or some fights to get them busy, but at the end of the day, they really have to face each other to see who are the best amongst the 3.

You forget about Guillermo Rigondeaux, he is the current holder of WBA World Bantam Title. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/492989)

That's why Casimero wants to fight him as he wants to take his belt, but Rigondeaux is not an easy opponent as he beat Donaire before and he could beat Inoue or Casimero since he is a very technical fighter. Age is only the problem as he is already 40 years old now.

[Viscore]

Obviously, this fight would happen because there's no other fighter on that division that potentially to fight with Donaire and I guess you were right, Inoue is the perfect match for Donaire on this division.

Maybe we can rephrase your statement as it was turning out that Donaire is at the top of that weight class and division as you used the word "potentially" for Inoue.

It should be, Donaire is the perfect match for Inoue as the former is seeking revenge on his bitter loss against the latter. But for me, I like to see a Casimero vs Inoue first before the Donaire's revenge to sealed up those speculations that Casimero won't stand a chance against Inoue by any means. However, Casimero needs to deal first with Rigondeaux to have a ticket against Inoue.

There are only 3 boxers who holds the belt in this weight class, Inoue, Donaire and Casimero. And these 3 has been chasing each other since, Casimero calling Inoue and then Donaire wanting to get his revenge against Inoue.

They can have mandatory fights or some fights to get them busy, but at the end of the day, they really have to face each other to see who are the best amongst the 3.

You forget about Guillermo Rigondeaux, he is the current holder of WBA World Bantam Title. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/492989)

That's why Casimero wants to fight him as he wants to take his belt, but Rigondeaux is not an easy opponent as he beat Donaire before and he could beat Inoue or Casimero since he is a very technical fighter. Age is only the problem as he is already 40 years old now.

Rigondeaux should not be taken for granted, he only has 1 loss in his career and that is against Vasyl Lomachenko in a World Boxing Organisation World Super Feather Title fight, he goes back to Bantamweight and no one had already beat him.

Casimero will have the biggest challenge in his career, if he can beat Rigondeaux then his name will be known more, and no reason the opposite promoter would not give him a big fight as it's guaranteed they'll make big money.

[goinmerry]

.. and he could beat Inoue or Casimero since he is a very technical fighter. Age is only the problem as he is already 40 years old now.

That was overrated.

Rigondeaux is not the same as before. His last fight is not even impressive although he won via Split Decision. That's how age hits his performance.

Fighting against a prime Casimero, maybe he has a chance but for prime Inoue, he will surely have a tough time. I don't see him winning against Inoue but will not lose via Technical Knockout.

[freedomgo]

.. and he could beat Inoue or Casimero since he is a very technical fighter. Age is only the problem as he is already 40 years old now.

That was overrated.

Rigondeaux is not the same as before. His last fight is not even impressive although he won via Split Decision. That's how age hits his performance.

Fighting against a prime Casimero, maybe he has a chance but for prime Inoue, he will surely have a tough time. I don't see him winning against Inoue but will not lose via Technical Knockout.

You have a good point though, Rigondeaux's performance is affected by his age, but he is still a dangerous fighter because his record looks impressive. He might not have an impressive win but a win is a win, you can't argue that. I believe we should look at the betting odds of Casimer vs Rigondeaux and see how the bookies see this fight.

[stomachgrowls]

About Inoue's chin, at first glance you could really tell that this boy had a fragile chin but based up on his career stats then its impossible on avoiding hits and now he's still undefeated
which does proves out that he's currently the best or great on his weight division.

It's easy to achieve that shape, Inoue is just gifted because he is fast and a heavy hitter, most of his fights are won by KO, you can tell he could really dominate his division. Naoya Inoue is only 28 years old, this boy can still improve and will become a complete fighter.

He is short like Manny Pacquiao, who knows he might be the next Pacquiao.

Yeah, there are already some comparison when it comes to speed and power:

https://mb.com.ph/2021/06/17/japanese-champ-inoue-draws-pacquiao-comparison/
https://www.givemesport.com/1708831-naoya-inoue-compared-to-manny-pacquiao-ahead-of-michael-dasmarinas-title-fight

Cant really be denied that he's likely to be the same and i do love these humble fighters.

[bisdak40]

You have a good point though, Rigondeaux's performance is affected by his age, but he is still a dangerous fighter because his record looks impressive. He might not have an impressive win but a win is a win, you can't argue that. I believe we should look at the betting odds of Casimer vs Rigondeaux and see how the bookies see this fight.

Rigo is a defensive fighter and yup, he is still dangerous and can win matches if the opponent would underestimate him. Against Loma, Rigo doesn't have any luck as the former is too technical of a boxer and toyed him until he quits.

If he will be fitted against Inoue, I think he will be in trouble because he is not too lateral as he used to be and he will be knocked out in the process as Inoue is too strong.

Casimero vs Rigo is somewhat more of a fitting fight for Rigo because Casimero, though tested but there are tendencies that he could be careless sometimes and a little bit too cocky. If he takes for granted this fight with Rigo, this might derail his chance to fight for the unification title.

[Natalim]

You have a good point though, Rigondeaux's performance is affected by his age, but he is still a dangerous fighter because his record looks impressive. He might not have an impressive win but a win is a win, you can't argue that. I believe we should look at the betting odds of Casimer vs Rigondeaux and see how the bookies see this fight.

Rigo is a defensive fighter and yup, he is still dangerous and can win matches if the opponent would underestimate him. Against Loma, Rigo doesn't have any luck as the former is too technical of a boxer and toyed him until he quits.

If he will be fitted against Inoue, I think he will be in trouble because he is not too lateral as he used to be and he will be knocked out in the process as Inoue is too strong.

Casimero vs Rigo is somewhat more of a fitting fight for Rigo because Casimero, though tested but there are tendencies that he could be careless sometimes and a little bit too cocky. If he takes for granted this fight with Rigo, this might derail his chance to fight for the unification title.

Rigo should not be underestimated, and I think even if Casimero is too cocky, he was also following the strategy when in the ring, he is very patient, the reason why he won against Tete who is also a champion. I can't wait to see this fight, this should be a good one and probably the best fight of Casimero in his entire boxing life.

[Sanitough]

About Inoue's chin, at first glance you could really tell that this boy had a fragile chin but based up on his career stats then its impossible on avoiding hits and now he's still undefeated
which does proves out that he's currently the best or great on his weight division.

It's easy to achieve that shape, Inoue is just gifted because he is fast and a heavy hitter, most of his fights are won by KO, you can tell he could really dominate his division. Naoya Inoue is only 28 years old, this boy can still improve and will become a complete fighter.

He is short like Manny Pacquiao, who knows he might be the next Pacquiao.

Yeah, there are already some comparison when it comes to speed and power:

https://mb.com.ph/2021/06/17/japanese-champ-inoue-draws-pacquiao-comparison/
https://www.givemesport.com/1708831-naoya-inoue-compared-to-manny-pacquiao-ahead-of-michael-dasmarinas-title-fight

Cant really be denied that he's likely to be the same and i do love these humble fighters.

He has the power and he is really strong, we can compare him to Manny Pacquiao but Inoue needs to move up in order to follow the footsteps of Manny. An 8 division champion, I think it's hard to beat that, and Manny is so humble that he didn't even mention he is an 8th division champion during an argument.

[btc_angela]

You have a good point though, Rigondeaux's performance is affected by his age, but he is still a dangerous fighter because his record looks impressive. He might not have an impressive win but a win is a win, you can't argue that. I believe we should look at the betting odds of Casimer vs Rigondeaux and see how the bookies see this fight.

[..snip..]

Casimero vs Rigo is somewhat more of a fitting fight for Rigo because Casimero, though tested but there are tendencies that he could be careless sometimes and a little bit too cocky. If he takes for granted this fight with Rigo, this might derail his chance to fight for the unification title.

It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

[Sanitough]

It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

Both of them are studying their opponent and they want to win, Rigo has only experienced 1 loss in this career, so we can't be too confident that Casimero will win although he is so confident and tells the public that he will knock Rigo down. I think they've done the right talking outside the ring already, let's see what will happen in the actual fight.

[Natalim]

It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

Both of them are studying their opponent and they want to win, Rigo has only experienced 1 loss in this career, so we can't be too confident that Casimero will win although he is so confident and tells the public that he will knock Rigo down.

The funny thing is if Casimero will lose in this fight, Donaire can't make fun of him because he also loses against Rigo, so the hottest in the division will be Rigo and Inoue and Donaire can easily be dispatch by Inoue, and he would not win against Rigo or Inoue.

I think they've done the right talking outside the ring already, let's see what will happen in the actual fight.

Bookies should also make the betting odds available so we can start talking and betting on it.

[bisdak40]

It could be his downfall for being cocky because Rigo is no push-over. At least at his age, he can still fight against the much touted Casimero. But I think Casimero already knows what Rigo can bring, left hand and then being so defensive. So John Riel will be prepared to even go to distance if necessary or look for the early knock out.

So far, my favourite sport bookies hasn't covered this fight yet on their future, but Casimero will be the favourite or should be the favourite here once the betting is open.

Casimero and his camp are already working with all those possibilities that Rigo may bring to this fight, they are watching and carefully analysing those old fights by Rigo.

Preparations is very important since Casimero is aiming for more decent title fights, he needs to bring the old champ down.

I've seen a lot of videos of Casimero before he leaves for the USA and it seems that he is preparing for this time and does not take Rigo for granted. He might be cocky sometimes but I do think that it is his way of going into the opponent's mind and psyche them up and also to sell tickets lol, we all know that whenever a boxer boasted many fans will want to see him fail.

I would be very upset if Casimero will fail on this one as this is his ticket to a more lucrative fight with Inoue as promised by MP Promotion and the fact that Rigo is old, he should take care of the latter convincingly.