Inoue vs Donaire II discussion

[serjent05]

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules?

It is impossible for Casimero's camp to not know the rule.  I think they do it deliberately thinking that they will escape from it.  Probably they had been doing it and it was just now that they were caught.  When you always do it, you will become careless... well that is what I am thinking on this scenario.

Apart from that, his ambitions to fight against Inoue or Donaire are also gone into pieces as he will be now stripped of his belts.

Well it was his fault so it suits him.

[freedomgo]

You are absolutely right, for me Donaire is on another level, however with everything that has happened not only here in the forum is the best predicted for him, in social networks, on twitter, in some forums that have to do with sports favor him, and also like you, I'm surprised about CASIMERO, it's actually the hardest news that boxing can bear for now.

Don't be surprise with that, there was a rumor already before that Casimero is having a hard time reducing his weight, so that is maybe the reason why they are doing everything just to pass the weight, and the bad thing is that they violate the rules.

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

[serjent05]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

[Natalim]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

[Distinctin]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

Doesn't look good for him, he will be finally get stripped with the title.
https://sports.inquirer.net/459189/casimero-in-danger-of-losing-title-as-sultan-steps-in-vs-butler-for-interim-title-bout

Yeah, he has to move up but make sure he could bring his power to become a champion.
It's too painful seeing him this way because I was thinking he has a great chance of beating Inoue, but looks like that fight would remain as a dream.

[herurist]

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules?

It is impossible for Casimero's camp to not know the rule.  I think they do it deliberately thinking that they will escape from it.  Probably they had been doing it and it was just now that they were caught.  When you always do it, you will become careless... well that is what I am thinking on this scenario.

Agree with what you say, it's most likely like this because it would be very funny if they didn't know about this kind of thing which is a basic rule and they are not amateurs who are new to boxing today, they are professionals in their field. It's surprising that they don't know such basic things.

this will be another new drama after the last drama was almost dim

[btc_angela]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

Nah, I don't think that the camp of Casimero will think like that. If I'm not mistaken, Casimero is calling out the champion of the next weight class before. So now that it is revealed that he really can't make this weight very easily.

So his fight with either of this two because of his current dilemma, he has nothing to offer now if he is going to be stripped of the belt. So Casimero will have to go back to zero again and hopefully he will have a chance to fight Inoue in the next division.

[goinmerry]

Stick on the topic guys.

Casimero is now the topic here for most replies. It's ok as a side topic but the series of responses now are now mostly with Casimero.

He should be out of the topic here since likely his title will be stripped. Jonas Sultan as his replacement to fight against Paul Butler also lose. There's no way we can associate anymore the names of neither Casimero nor Sultan here to have a fight in the future with Inoue or Donaire.

Back to the topic, part of the undercard of this match involves Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma Inoue. He is against his fellow countrymen, Gakuya Fukuhara.

[mirakal]

It was all his fault that his preparations and trainings on the upcoming fight against Butler have wasted, I mean how come they don't know the rules?

It is impossible for Casimero's camp to not know the rule.  I think they do it deliberately thinking that they will escape from it.  Probably they had been doing it and it was just now that they were caught.  When you always do it, you will become careless... well that is what I am thinking on this scenario.

Apart from that, his ambitions to fight against Inoue or Donaire are also gone into pieces as he will be now stripped of his belts.

Well it was his fault so it suits him.

Exactly, even the strongest excuse and reasons won't save Casimero this time because it is already clear in that video that he and his team have cheated that's why he lost some good weights in just a matter of 3 days. They are too desperate to catch the weight even if they know what was written in the rules. He should try climbing another division so that his weight problems won't be a problem anymore.

[freedomgo]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

[Distinctin]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

But there's no more left for him in his current division, he has violated the rules and has lose the opportunity to defend his title against Butler. He should move up in weight if he feels uncomfortable anymore, looks like we have a new man under Sultan in the Bamtamweight division, not sure if he would stay though after beating Butler.

Nah, I don't think that the camp of Casimero will think like that. If I'm not mistaken, Casimero is calling out the champion of the next weight class before. So now that it is revealed that he really can't make this weight very easily.

So his fight with either of this two because of his current dilemma, he has nothing to offer now if he is going to be stripped of the belt. So Casimero will have to go back to zero again and hopefully he will have a chance to fight Inoue in the next division.

Who was it? I haven't heard it, I'm not saying that I disagree with you but I also want to know who was he calling in the super bantamweight division?

Casimero don't have much of a choice now because he is stripped and he have to climb the ladders again, it's sad that he have to come this way but Casimero and his team's actions is not an excuse just to make him fight with Butler, that would certainly be unfair. He should move on to other division where his weight won't be his problem anymore.

[ultrloa]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

[harizen]

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

[Jating]

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

But if his body can't maintain that weight, it will be very hard for him to be just a bantamweight. Maybe it's in his DNA, leaning towards the body type that tends to gain weight. So he will really have a big problem right now.

Anyhow, let's focus at the fight on hand. Inoue is still the betting favorite here, and for me he will remain in that position even at fight night. And Donaire will have to be very positive and train hard enough if he wanted to upset and take that 0 from the Monster.

[Yamifoud]

The odds doesn't change that much, Donaire is still 4:1 underdog.
I think for underdog bettors this is really a good odds assuming that Donaire can still fight and has the power and the timing to counter Inoue when he is going inside just like in the first fight. Donaire though will need to have a lot of stamina against the young Inoue to be able to sustain his attack the whole 12 rounds because this is what I'm seeing in this fight. Back and forth war throughout 12.

The only chances i can see for Donaire to get the win is to either control the early rounds or knock Inoue down even once and then calm down and just defend on the late rounds. I mean Donaire's style of play tends to be aggressive on the early round and then gas out on the later round, causing his punches became weak.
Inoue is known to have a destructive punches, if Donaire gas out on the later round he'll most probably gonna make that as an advantage.

But it's hard to see Donaire knocking out Inoue early, Inoue has also a good defense and a solid chin and I would say that he has a good boxing IQ as well. Donaire for sure can be aggressive in the early rounds, but he can't just cruise late in the rounds. He still has to give everything he got because Inoue has a good stamina because obviously he is the younger of the two. For me, the key for Donaire is to uses his counterpunch as his main weapon and make Inoue makes mistakes instead of looking for a early knock out.

And If Donaire wanted to win against Inoue, he'd rather develop his body weakness as this is the most possible target otherwise, he losses again.
He must find a hole for Inoue in order to take him down as he is firm and strong that he can really take a hard punch at their first meet. For this rematch, he must have to be more aggressive as this is the only way Inoue can make preparation for the next move.

They don't have a long age gap that is why I don't weigh this as a factor as experience is really an advantage when it comes to boxing sports.

[harizen]

And If Donaire wanted to win against Inoue, he'd rather develop his body weakness as this is the most possible target otherwise, he losses again.
He must find a hole for Inoue in order to take him down as he is firm and strong that he can really take a hard punch at their first meet. For this rematch, he must have to be more aggressive as this is the only way Inoue can make preparation for the next move.

They don't have a long age gap that is why I don't weigh this as a factor as experience is really an advantage when it comes to boxing sports.

Actually, there's no need to improve or point out his weaknesses because those are already there throughout the whole entire career of his boxing. He was able to stay in the world of boxing for almost over 2 decades and even got a chance to become a champion at 39 years old even with those weaknesses.

Might be too late now to change and shift gears by developing what are those weaknesses. Instead, the better thing to do is to improve on his expertise and his usual form. In that way, just a usual thing that even with those weaknesses, he can cover those by improving his strength.

I watched the replay of Naoya vs Donaire's first match, and the latter hit badly the monster in just the 2nd round of the fight. Naoya received an early fatal hit, a bloodied one, and struggle to bounce back until he successfully do it in the later round. If Donaire will able to repeat it, although Inoue won't surely allow it, he might have the advantage to control the match early and it's now up to his stamina where he will end up.

[bisdak40]

And If Donaire wanted to win against Inoue, he'd rather develop his body weakness as this is the most possible target otherwise, he losses again.
He must find a hole for Inoue in order to take him down as he is firm and strong that he can really take a hard punch at their first meet. For this rematch, he must have to be more aggressive as this is the only way Inoue can make preparation for the next move.

They don't have a long age gap that is why I don't weigh this as a factor as experience is really an advantage when it comes to boxing sports.

The age gap is 10 years and in boxing, it is already considered a wide margin plus the fact that Nonito Donaire is 39 years old, this is to his disadvantage as reflexes as a boxer reduce as an individual aged, of course with an exemption to a few boxers who really excel even though they are 40 years old but to most this is a disadvantage.

Inoue has learned a lot from their first fight so I think he will be very careful in the rematch so as to not fall prey to Donaire's lethal left hook. Donaire's chance here is a lucky punch that Inoue won't see though very slim but still a possible scenario.

[Kemarit]

And If Donaire wanted to win against Inoue, he'd rather develop his body weakness as this is the most possible target otherwise, he losses again.
He must find a hole for Inoue in order to take him down as he is firm and strong that he can really take a hard punch at their first meet. For this rematch, he must have to be more aggressive as this is the only way Inoue can make preparation for the next move.

They don't have a long age gap that is why I don't weigh this as a factor as experience is really an advantage when it comes to boxing sports.

The age gap is 10 years and in boxing, it is already considered a wide margin plus the fact that Nonito Donaire is 39 years old, this is to his disadvantage as reflexes as a boxer reduce as an individual aged, of course with an exemption to a few boxers who really excel even though they are 40 years old but to most this is a disadvantage.

Inoue has learned a lot from their first fight so I think he will be very careful in the rematch so as to not fall prey to Donaire's lethal left hook. Donaire's chance here is a lucky punch that Inoue won't see though very slim but still a possible scenario.

The thing with Donaire is that he is not a fighter that rely on his physical advantage like his speed. That's why even at age 39, he can still fight because of his mentality and hard work. Unlike other specimen who's career goes down after reaching a certain age because of their speed, Donaire more of his timing, and that is one of his advantage.

No fighter can get away from Donaire's left hook though, because as I have said, it is more on timing. So maybe Inoue may be very reluctant to engage but sooner or later I'm seeing Donaire touching him with that left hook and see how it goes.

[yazher]

The thing with Donaire is that he is not a fighter that rely on his physical advantage like his speed. That's why even at age 39, he can still fight because of his mentality and hard work. Unlike other specimen who's career goes down after reaching a certain age because of their speed, Donaire more of his timing, and that is one of his advantage.

No fighter can get away from Donaire's left hook though, because as I have said, it is more on timing. So maybe Inoue may be very reluctant to engage but sooner or later I'm seeing Donaire touching him with that left hook and see how it goes.

Donaire really wants this fight to happen because he knows exactly what to do next and as a smart boxer like him, he knows which skills to improve and we already know the outcome of their first fight, where Inoue has the hardest battle to survive against Donaire, this time it would a different fight where one of them will gonna dominate the fight to prevent another loss. If somehow Donaire wins this fight, maybe we will see another trilogy but if not, then this will conclude their rivals in this weight division.

[inthelongrun]

And If Donaire wanted to win against Inoue, he'd rather develop his body weakness as this is the most possible target otherwise, he losses again.
He must find a hole for Inoue in order to take him down as he is firm and strong that he can really take a hard punch at their first meet. For this rematch, he must have to be more aggressive as this is the only way Inoue can make preparation for the next move.

They don't have a long age gap that is why I don't weigh this as a factor as experience is really an advantage when it comes to boxing sports.

The age gap is 10 years and in boxing, it is already considered a wide margin plus the fact that Nonito Donaire is 39 years old, this is to his disadvantage as reflexes as a boxer reduce as an individual aged, of course with an exemption to a few boxers who really excel even though they are 40 years old but to most this is a disadvantage.

Inoue has learned a lot from their first fight so I think he will be very careful in the rematch so as to not fall prey to Donaire's lethal left hook. Donaire's chance here is a lucky punch that Inoue won't see though very slim but still a possible scenario.

I agree. Donaire needs to be the aggressor in this fight. Otherwise, Inoue will just do a hit and run on him. I also agree that 39 years old Donaire will have a hard time catching Inoue as he is not the Flash anymore. Donaire will only rely on his accuracy to land his own bombs. But can he land it big time? Inoue tasted it before, the Monster will be fighting cautiously this time. The Monster still has the speed and power to out box and hurt Donaire. I also find it difficult for Donaire to win this one. Inoue's odds are too small. Inoue by ko/tko is not available in sportsbet. So I might take a pass on this one.