Inoue vs Donaire II discussion

[Yamifoud]

We cannot see the Casimero vs Inoue anymore, that hype is already gone, it's all on the rematch of Donaire and Inoue.

Casimero has no chance of getting the fight because he is not anymore the champion.
No reason for him to stay in bantamweight when he struggle to maintain the right weight.

Moving on is the right decision he should let go of his eagerness to fight Inoue or Donaire because even if he is given a chance he'll have issues with his weight, but there's still an opportunity on the other weight, it should be on a weight where is he more comfortable and can bring out the best in him, he is still at the height of his career and his power and skill are still there, maybe in the future he can meet any of the two in case Inoue and Donaire also move up.

I'm sure he will fight a lot of champions in the heavier weight that will accept his challenge. He is a cocky fighter, a champion would love that so they will have a great fight, hopefully his failure in the bantamweight division will bring him success in the heavier weight.

[Japinat]

Stripped Belt? He just deserved into that particular situation considering on how many times on which Casimero do bullshit things around.

The first excuse was acceptable because it was a health issue, but this 2nd which is violating the rules of a boxing organization, that cannot be tolerated anymore, and we will have someone who would own that belt soon.

[Shamm]

We cannot see the Casimero vs Inoue anymore, that hype is already gone, it's all on the rematch of Donaire and Inoue.

Casimero has no chance of getting the fight because he is not anymore the champion.
No reason for him to stay in bantamweight when he struggle to maintain the right weight.

Moving on is the right decision he should let go of his eagerness to fight Inoue or Donaire because even if he is given a chance he'll have issues with his weight, but there's still an opportunity on the other weight, it should be on a weight where is he more comfortable and can bring out the best in him, he is still at the height of his career and his power and skill are still there, maybe in the future he can meet any of the two in case Inoue and Donaire also move up.

Casimero is good but in bantamweight division he is not capable of being a champion cause his weight matters. And yes you are right that we can not see the inoue vs casimero or casinero vs donaire because of the weight issues and I think we should move on and focusing on the rematch between this two professional boxer and a champions inoue and donaire 2  let's forget casimero for a while let's focus on this fight.

[freedomgo]

Stripped Belt? He just deserved into that particular situation considering on how many times on which Casimero do bullshit things around.

I hope that will serve as a lesson for Casimero. Bad karma now takes place. It's easy to be humble in the first place and I don't know why he is having a hard time doing that. He doesn't need to be arrogant and boastful. Let the talks do on the ring. His trash talk is not even considered a form of marketing.

Since Casimero is now stripped with the title, I think we have another big reason now why we shouldn't involve his name here in this thread. Regardless of who will win against Inoue and Donaire, I'm sure Casimero's name won't be one of the choices in the next fight. Casimero is totally ruled out fighting either Inoue or Donaire as his next fight will be climbing up ranks again. There's still lots of time to climb up ranks, he is just 32 years old.

Let's wait if Inoue or Donaire will have their statement regarding WBO stripping Casimero's title.

Donaire though has supported Casimero and he let everyone knows what his opinion on the matter, but I guess the final decision is with the WBO.

So I guess we won't see the much anticipated fight anymore, but this will be the closest though, two of the best bantamweight we have right now. One has the experience and fire to regain his old glory, on the other hand, a young monster. Donaire still 4:1 underdog.

The only anticipated fight now is will be this fight.

Inoue vs Casimero is already (x), so, hopefully, this rematch will be better than the first fight and we will see Donaire getting good chance of winning although he is a heavy underdog in the bookies.

Casimero still have a shot to prove his rank in the bantamweight division as I've read on WBO's statement regarding Casimero's title but I don't think that he will stay on this division as he really have a problem on reducing his weight, it's quite unfortunate for him though because we cannot see Inoue vs Casimero or Donaire vs Casimero.

[blockman]

We cannot see the Casimero vs Inoue anymore, that hype is already gone, it's all on the rematch of Donaire and Inoue. Such a bad move by the camp of Casimero, they wasted their opportunity, so now they have no hope but to go up in weight and try to challenge a champion.

I'm one of those people that's very excited that this match is about to happen. But due to the news that has been released about Casimero, yes, it's no longer possible to see him fight against Inoue. I don't know what's on their mind and they've just really wasted their time and people have already invested in the emotion in his match. But still, there's Donaire and waiting for this match to go and make news again before and after this match.

[Johnyz]

We cannot see the Casimero vs Inoue anymore, that hype is already gone, it's all on the rematch of Donaire and Inoue. Such a bad move by the camp of Casimero, they wasted their opportunity, so now they have no hope but to go up in weight and try to challenge a champion.

I'm one of those people that's very excited that this match is about to happen. But due to the news that has been released about Casimero, yes, it's no longer possible to see him fight against Inoue. I don't know what's on their mind and they've just really wasted their time and people have already invested in the emotion in his match. But still, there's Donaire and waiting for this match to go and make news again before and after this match.

They have to deal with this and maybe this is really beyond their control, let’s just focus on Donaire vs Inoue because this is more exciting honestly. Donaire should stay focus and don’t listen to any problems like this with other boxer, because he is going to face a strong boxer as well and he might lose again to Inoue if he lose focus on this. Most probably, Inoue didn’t care for Casimero as all, the hype was gone already between this two.

[Quidat]

We cannot see the Casimero vs Inoue anymore, that hype is already gone, it's all on the rematch of Donaire and Inoue. Such a bad move by the camp of Casimero, they wasted their opportunity, so now they have no hope but to go up in weight and try to challenge a champion.

I'm one of those people that's very excited that this match is about to happen. But due to the news that has been released about Casimero, yes, it's no longer possible to see him fight against Inoue. I don't know what's on their mind and they've just really wasted their time and people have already invested in the emotion in his match. But still, there's Donaire and waiting for this match to go and make news again before and after this match.

For Filipino fans then their eyes would really be looking after or on through Donaire since Casimero wont really be having the chance on fighting Inoue due into that recent issue which he cant
possibly able to set out this fight but we do have Donaire and we've seen on how he do fight the monster which its something that cant really be beaten up easily compared into those
past opponents of Inoue on which they do easily been destroyed but thats not the case we've seen on Donaire so he do still might have the chance on pulling this rematch on his side.

[harizen]

Win every fight and try to challenge a title holder to bring hypes with his name again, now it's all with Donaire and Inoue
the rematch is that every boxing fans are waiting.

Either Inoue will collect another belt here or Donaire will make his revenge and bring back his old belt, an interesting fight
against these two favorites, let see who will shine high.

I think if Inoue will win here in this rematch, it's now the end of the book between Donaire and Inoue.

The only way again to have this fight again in the future is, if Donaire will able to upset Inoue. It's an automatic rematch if Donaire will win here.

There would be no other way. Inoue's plan of moving up will have to wait a bit if he will lose this match.

If I'm not mistaken, if by chance Naoya Inoue will win this fight against Nonito Donaire, he will now move on to the next weight class as that was planned for a long. It's just that, Donaire's chance to make a rematch becomes possible as he becomes a champion again and Inoue now has a purpose to unify it.

I'm not just familiar with the rules about the interim title and official title. Paul Butler got the interim WBO Bantamweight title but if my knowledge is correct, it will be upgraded to what Casimero is left. Anyone can correct me here. Therefore, there's a chance that Paul Butler's name will be involved in these Bantamweight Champions competition replacing John Riel Casimero.

Yes. It is automatic when a champion is removed or vacate a belt then an interim champion will be elevated as the new champion. Unless boxing politics stops it from happening.

Thanks for confirming. I see so my idea is correct about that interim (in simple terms, temporary title) and Butler's title will be upgraded to what Casimero left.

[Sanitough]

Thanks for confirming. I see so my idea is correct about that interim (in simple terms, temporary title) and Butler's title will be upgraded to what Casimero left.

Butler achieved that title in an easier way.
Jonas Sultan wasn't prepared when he fought Butler, so he was dominated in the fight.

Though Butler might be the new champion in the division, but I doubt he would held that for too long if he agrees with a unification fight on the winner of Butler vs Donaire. Or even the loser of that match could beat Butler for sure.

[Kemarit]

Stripped Belt? He just deserved into that particular situation considering on how many times on which Casimero do bullshit things around.

I hope that will serve as a lesson for Casimero. Bad karma now takes place. It's easy to be humble in the first place and I don't know why he is having a hard time doing that. He doesn't need to be arrogant and boastful. Let the talks do on the ring. His trash talk is not even considered a form of marketing.

Since Casimero is now stripped with the title, I think we have another big reason now why we shouldn't involve his name here in this thread. Regardless of who will win against Inoue and Donaire, I'm sure Casimero's name won't be one of the choices in the next fight. Casimero is totally ruled out fighting either Inoue or Donaire as his next fight will be climbing up ranks again. There's still lots of time to climb up ranks, he is just 32 years old.

Let's wait if Inoue or Donaire will have their statement regarding WBO stripping Casimero's title.

Donaire though has supported Casimero and he let everyone knows what his opinion on the matter, but I guess the final decision is with the WBO.

So I guess we won't see the much anticipated fight anymore, but this will be the closest though, two of the best bantamweight we have right now. One has the experience and fire to regain his old glory, on the other hand, a young monster. Donaire still 4:1 underdog.

The only anticipated fight now is will be this fight.

Inoue vs Casimero is already (x), so, hopefully, this rematch will be better than the first fight and we will see Donaire getting good chance of winning although he is a heavy underdog in the bookies.

Casimero still have a shot to prove his rank in the bantamweight division as I've read on WBO's statement regarding Casimero's title but I don't think that he will stay on this division as he really have a problem on reducing his weight, it's quite unfortunate for him though because we cannot see Inoue vs Casimero or Donaire vs Casimero.

He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.

[Vaculin]

He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

That will happen if Casimero and Inoue will become champions in the same weight class.
As soon as Inoue is done collecting all the belts, he will be like Canelo Alvarez that will go up in weight.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.

So much job that has to be done for Casimero, but letting go and accepting what happen is a good start.

[blockman]

We cannot see the Casimero vs Inoue anymore, that hype is already gone, it's all on the rematch of Donaire and Inoue. Such a bad move by the camp of Casimero, they wasted their opportunity, so now they have no hope but to go up in weight and try to challenge a champion.

I'm one of those people that's very excited that this match is about to happen. But due to the news that has been released about Casimero, yes, it's no longer possible to see him fight against Inoue. I don't know what's on their mind and they've just really wasted their time and people have already invested in the emotion in his match. But still, there's Donaire and waiting for this match to go and make news again before and after this match.

They have to deal with this and maybe this is really beyond their control, let’s just focus on Donaire vs Inoue because this is more exciting honestly. Donaire should stay focus and don’t listen to any problems like this with other boxer, because he is going to face a strong boxer as well and he might lose again to Inoue if he lose focus on this. Most probably, Inoue didn’t care for Casimero as all, the hype was gone already between this two.

Yes, it's better to be focused on this match. Well, let's just drop the other match that we're too excited about but then, it has failed our expectations.
Inoue doesn't have anything to talk about against Casimero at this time, both fighters are focused with the upcoming match they've got and the same goes for Donaire.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

That will happen if Casimero and Inoue will become champions in the same weight class.
As soon as Inoue is done collecting all the belts, he will be like Canelo Alvarez that will go up in weight.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.

So much job that has to be done for Casimero, but letting go and accepting what happen is a good start.

Casimero should really put a lot of good members around him, those that can really influence him in a positive way. Instead of goffing around just like in his vlog. And it was obvious that he was caught red handed with the violation thru his on vlog. So he should move on and think about his future because he is not getting any younger and is about hitting his prime and should not be wasted.

So for now, everyone now has settled and its about Inoue and Donaire as who is going to be the best of the division.

[Japinat]

He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

That will happen if Casimero and Inoue will become champions in the same weight class.
As soon as Inoue is done collecting all the belts, he will be like Canelo Alvarez that will go up in weight.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.

So much job that has to be done for Casimero, but letting go and accepting what happen is a good start.

Casimero should really put a lot of good members around him, those that can really influence him in a positive way. Instead of goffing around just like in his vlog. And it was obvious that he was caught red handed with the violation thru his on vlog. So he should move on and think about his future because he is not getting any younger and is about hitting his prime and should not be wasted.

So for now, everyone now has settled and its about Inoue and Donaire as who is going to be the best of the division.

Casimero is just trying to be himself, he does not want to loss his character in boxing, his only problem is he cannot keep the weight requirement, he is getting bigger so there's no reason to stay at bantamweight, moving up is the best choice and prove that he is still a great boxer.

[freedomgo]

Stripped Belt? He just deserved into that particular situation considering on how many times on which Casimero do bullshit things around.

I hope that will serve as a lesson for Casimero. Bad karma now takes place. It's easy to be humble in the first place and I don't know why he is having a hard time doing that. He doesn't need to be arrogant and boastful. Let the talks do on the ring. His trash talk is not even considered a form of marketing.

Since Casimero is now stripped with the title, I think we have another big reason now why we shouldn't involve his name here in this thread. Regardless of who will win against Inoue and Donaire, I'm sure Casimero's name won't be one of the choices in the next fight. Casimero is totally ruled out fighting either Inoue or Donaire as his next fight will be climbing up ranks again. There's still lots of time to climb up ranks, he is just 32 years old.

Let's wait if Inoue or Donaire will have their statement regarding WBO stripping Casimero's title.

Donaire though has supported Casimero and he let everyone knows what his opinion on the matter, but I guess the final decision is with the WBO.

So I guess we won't see the much anticipated fight anymore, but this will be the closest though, two of the best bantamweight we have right now. One has the experience and fire to regain his old glory, on the other hand, a young monster. Donaire still 4:1 underdog.

The only anticipated fight now is will be this fight.

Inoue vs Casimero is already (x), so, hopefully, this rematch will be better than the first fight and we will see Donaire getting good chance of winning although he is a heavy underdog in the bookies.

Casimero still have a shot to prove his rank in the bantamweight division as I've read on WBO's statement regarding Casimero's title but I don't think that he will stay on this division as he really have a problem on reducing his weight, it's quite unfortunate for him though because we cannot see Inoue vs Casimero or Donaire vs Casimero.

He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.

His next few steps are so critical for him because if he decides to move up in a heavier division, his speed and power won't be the same when he was in the bantamweight as the boxers in the upper division is much more comfortable in their weights than him while if he decides to stay in bantamweight then he should be ready to face the problems of his weights again. Cracking Butler might be his plan for now but as I said, his next few steps will be critical.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.

We can't do about that already as it was already in the past, the important thing is that Donaire is still improving to be the best despite of his age. I'm not seeing Donaire's age as an disadvantage because he still capable to knockout someone who will get caught in his punches.

Both have already have the knowledge on what needed to be improved and I think we will see a different version of them. As for power and speed, they don't have that much gap but the difference is that Inoue can take the punches while faking that he didn't felt anything of it and ofcourse their stamina level.

There would really be one winner and its true that both does have already the experience in between their abilities on how they do fight lets see on what are the areas that they had improved or enhanced
because they have seen it on their previous fight which it is just common sense that they would really be making out some adjustments.
This fight is something that is really that exciting to see but it would be better if Casimero and Inoue would fight but well lets just accept this kind of arrangement.

You are right, Casimero is something special, I think there is a possibility of settling things, because his lawyer alleged very convincing things and arguments, I think this could help clarify, at least they are waiting for the answers in this case, Since things are arranged in boxing, in this case I cannot deny that I feel a little unmotivated for this fight, obviously one wants to see the best fights, I still dream that this year it will be Canelo and GGG, but the world of boxing and their business model is very broad and we would have to wait, for now this meeting doesn't bother me much.

[stomachgrowls]

You are right, Casimero is something special, I think there is a possibility of settling things, because his lawyer alleged very convincing things and arguments, I think this could help clarify, at least they are waiting for the answers in this case, Since things are arranged in boxing, in this case I cannot deny that I feel a little unmotivated for this fight, obviously one wants to see the best fights, I still dream that this year it will be Canelo and GGG, but the world of boxing and their business model is very broad and we would have to wait, for now this meeting doesn't bother me much.

What would they need to clarify?

Its clear as day that they had violate boxing regulations or rules which i do see that you  cant make out excuses for that.So he would really be needing to
go to the start after his belt stripped.

Donaire does have that lucky or good choice since lots had been  anticipating the other way around but still he's the one who
would be facing Inoue.

[Kemarit]

Stripped Belt? He just deserved into that particular situation considering on how many times on which Casimero do bullshit things around.

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He can go up in weight, win the belt and hopefully Inoue too will go up, so the clash might happen in the future.

But for now, Casimero will have to work his way to be the challenger to the belt. If he chooses to stay in bantam, then maybe he will be rank as number 1 so who knows, he might get crack at Butler and get back his belt. But that is base on WBO, if they still want Casimero and allow him to fight and force the hands of Butler and his management.

His next few steps are so critical for him because if he decides to move up in a heavier division, his speed and power won't be the same when he was in the bantamweight as the boxers in the upper division is much more comfortable in their weights than him while if he decides to stay in bantamweight then he should be ready to face the problems of his weights again. Cracking Butler might be his plan for now but as I said, his next few steps will be critical.

I think he can carry his weight on the next division, maybe Butler will be his next target, but what if he didn't get that chance again.

Yes, it will be critical decision for him, and hopefully he can make the right move. He has a lot of missteps following his success and I think it really goes into his head. Severing ties with MP, calling Donaire names and what not, trash talking Inoue. Not he needs to be humble and start from scratch if he wanted to be a champion again.

[goinmerry]

You are right, Casimero is something special, I think there is a possibility of settling things, because his lawyer alleged very convincing things and arguments, I think this could help clarify, at least they are waiting for the answers in this case,

Do you mean the Casimero case of sauna? What things have to clarify there?

The event was Livestream by Casimero's camp and even the best lawyer in the world can't save Casimero's ass from that violating the British boxing terms.

All the evidence and proofs are clear as the sky.

in this case I cannot deny that I feel a little unmotivated for this fight, obviously one wants to see the best fights

I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.

[Oasisman]

I might be wrong but do you mean, Inoue vs Donaire is not a good fight for you as you want Casimero?

Better playback what happens in their first meetup that it needs a rematch. Maybe you just don't know much Donaire that's why you want Casimero for him. Casimero is even overrated. The way he is struggling to maintain his weight, how can he even match with a much more fit Naoya Inoue.

I have to agree that the fight between Donaire and Inoue deserves a rematch. Then, what If Donaire wins the rematch, then a trilogy would be much interesting.
I guess Casimero still have a chance for the Inoue fight later after Donaire.
I want to believe he's overrated, but not until he fights Inoue.
We can't deny that guy is also a good boxer and carrying much hype with his character.