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Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.
To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.
I feel bad for the scientists who worked really hard to develop these vaccines. Offering freebies and lotteries to those who are reluctant to get vaccinated is like insulting these individuals. It is giving an indirect message that the vaccines are not good enough and therefore the government needs to encourage people to get vaccinated by handing out offers. But then, it is necessary as well. If a large group of people remain unvaccinated, then it gets hard to achieve herd immunity and the possibility of further mutations of the virus will also be greater.
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July 25, 2021, 02:31:11 PM |
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I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right? So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.
Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials. To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples. Everyone's mindset is different, so not a few people refuse to be injected with vaccines because they doubt the vaccine is really safe. Although there is a lot of evidence and explanations from health experts that say vaccines are safe for humans, it still can't convince everyone. Therefore, there is a need for other ways to make the doubters change their minds, and one of them is by offering a lottery. Usually people when it comes to prize money, are always interested and enthusiastic. Especially with the current situation where so many people are experiencing a financial crisis. The lottery offered by the Polish government should make many people interested in injecting the vaccine.
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July 25, 2021, 02:44:21 PM |
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I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right? So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.
The purpose of giving any benefits/prizes to people who are vaccinated is to at least compel people to get vaccinated. There are lots of people that are unvaccinated who spread false information about it. The problem is, most people who are unvaccinated believe these conspiracy theories which affects the general public in the transmission of the virus. By providing any prizes or privileges to the vaccinated, even if you do not believe that vaccines work, there is a higher chance that you would comply due to the prizes given. Unfortunately, when anti-vaxxers become very close-minded, the only way to compel them to get vaccinated is to provide monetary benefits.
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July 25, 2021, 02:51:49 PM |
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But as we know from European countries, the statistics were distorted not only towards a decrease in deaths from covid, but also towards an increase - when death for any reason (but with an accompanying covid) was recorded as death from covid. I strongly doubt that we can make any adequate estimates based on official data from corrupt government organizations. I think we should wait for more or less objective factors that are almost impossible to distort - for example, excess mortality. If this strain is so terrible (I don't believe it) then we should see a major jump in this figure. P.S. By the way, this morning I read on Twitter that it seems that a new strain has already been identified that is even more infectious and deadly. This series will never end ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) It is strange that the releases of the new episodes of this series coincide with the massive demonstrations against lockdowns that have covered many countries now ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) New strains are being reported from all over the world. Even the Delta strain in India has mutated into an even more contagious strain called Delta plus. Right now the focus is on this strain, because it is causing a lot of damage to countries such as Indonesia and Thailand. Even the UK has reported a spike in number of new infections, due to this particular strain. Dozens of strains have been identified till now, and one other strain that has been studied widely is the Colombian strain (B.1.621), that has spread to other countries. To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case. I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
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July 25, 2021, 03:02:38 PM |
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To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case. I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
Can't agree with this assumption. Because only one variant has been reported from countries that have achieved a good vaccination coverage (Kent variant, from the United Kingdom). No variants have been reported from the EU, US or China, where the maximum doses of the vaccine has been administered. Maximum number of mutant strains have been reported from Brazil, India, South Africa and Colombia, where the vaccination coverage is lower than the global average (although Brazil has significantly increased it's vaccination rate over the last 1-2 months).
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July 25, 2021, 03:29:30 PM |
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The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.
When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible. This is just a prize and it is only one of the vaccines available. Everyone can still decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I agree with you that this is a risk, but anyway I believe that vaccination is than leave virus without reaction to the end of clinical research. Even if someone believes they are immune to the virus, there is still a possibility that they will spread the virus and infect others. Even if the statistics related to coronavirus deaths are inflated, I'm sure there will be far fewer deaths among vaccinated people. However, if we look at it as a gambling (lottery) related to human health, it does indeed look very unethical. But what can we expect from politicians !?
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July 25, 2021, 03:30:59 PM |
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Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials. Lets be real, how many clinical trails can be done from the pandemic started till the vaccines started to come out for commercial use. It will be a record in modern history that they came out with a vaccines without much clinical trial and then expect everyone to trust them. To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.
You can provide incentives and attract people but that does not make it trust able for everyone, i do not fall for these antics even though i am not against vaccines but i want a 100% certainty that it is safe and anything below that i will not administrate.
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July 25, 2021, 03:48:49 PM |
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To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case. I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
Wrong. The Swedish model is a big failure, the death rate is 3x World's mean and even politicians there admitted their mistake. Herd immunity alone is a joke and will never be achievable with this virus since every damn mutation might infect people again and again. I know many people who was contaminated twice and thrice and yes symptoms aren't mild in all cases. To resolve this problem once for all, ALL countries have to achieve +90% vaccination coverage in few weeks. Like that the risk of having a new mutant will be very low and we can get ride of it. Otherwise we will keep living with +50% "features" locked! BTW Poland made a clever way to encourage people getting the shots, other countries are giving money...
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July 25, 2021, 05:22:44 PM Last edit: July 28, 2021, 04:00:26 PM by Silberman |
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so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.
Which is not wrong, when it comes to your health that principle applies all the time, people spend their times doing things that deteriorate their health and then it comes to a point in which they develop a chronic disease that is expensive and that takes away years and a great deal of their quality of life, if instead they decided to develop good habits they could have avoid it but they refuse, this is the same, the vaccine will not stop people from contracting the virus but you will be protected and in the case you get it it would not as bad as it could have been.
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July 25, 2021, 09:04:39 PM |
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To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case. I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
Wrong. The Swedish model is a big failure, the death rate is 3x World's mean and even politicians there admitted their mistake. Herd immunity alone is a joke and will never be achievable with this virus since every damn mutation might infect people again and again. I know many people who was contaminated twice and thrice and yes symptoms aren't mild in all cases. To resolve this problem once for all, ALL countries have to achieve +90% vaccination coverage in few weeks. Like that the risk of having a new mutant will be very low and we can get ride of it. Otherwise we will keep living with +50% "features" locked! BTW Poland made a clever way to encourage people getting the shots, other countries are giving money... But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate. Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle. By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.
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But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate. Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.
By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.
Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'Sweden’s failed COVID strategy leaves the country deeply dividedIt all depends on how strong a country medical structure is, in terms of hospitals, oxygen beds...etc If you switch Sweden by any other country with weak healthcare system, the result will be more disastrous and we all saw how catastrophic the situation was in India although they taken several restrictions measures... I agree that being vaccinated doesn't mean there will be no more mutation, that's why I insist that a massive vaccination is the only solution to stop this shit. Otherwise it will be a 6 - 12 months vaccination for years... BTW vaccine doesn't kill the virus, our strengthen immune system does.
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Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.
To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.
I feel bad for the scientists who worked really hard to develop these vaccines. Offering freebies and lotteries to those who are reluctant to get vaccinated is like insulting these individuals. It is giving an indirect message that the vaccines are not good enough and therefore the government needs to encourage people to get vaccinated by handing out offers. But then, it is necessary as well. If a large group of people remain unvaccinated, then it gets hard to achieve herd immunity and the possibility of further mutations of the virus will also be greater. You cant really force anyone to do so because that kind of mindset on where they do really believe that there would be some side effects even myself is been thinking on that matter. Its really a bit insulting that it isnt being trusted by most people as a scientist then you would really be having this kind of impression. Government at least showing off some dedication on trying to give a shot in all into its citizens but expect that there would really people who wont really be tending to get a shot no matter what.
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July 26, 2021, 04:26:30 AM |
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Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.
To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.
I feel bad for the scientists who worked really hard to develop these vaccines. Offering freebies and lotteries to those who are reluctant to get vaccinated is like insulting these individuals. It is giving an indirect message that the vaccines are not good enough and therefore the government needs to encourage people to get vaccinated by handing out offers. But then, it is necessary as well. If a large group of people remain unvaccinated, then it gets hard to achieve herd immunity and the possibility of further mutations of the virus will also be greater. You cant really force anyone to do so because that kind of mindset on where they do really believe that there would be some side effects even myself is been thinking on that matter. Its really a bit insulting that it isnt being trusted by most people as a scientist then you would really be having this kind of impression. Government at least showing off some dedication on trying to give a shot in all into its citizens but expect that there would really people who wont really be tending to get a shot no matter what. Expect that. but better to have more people to accept this vaccines, and by this kind of efforts people will take part. The hope of winning and the chance that the government is providing to their citizens just to convince many to take this shots. Who knows what luck permits to those people who will participate right? not to drag anyone but for some, surely interest got into their mind after realizing the worth of the pot money.
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July 26, 2021, 04:33:16 AM |
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To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case. I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
All the right information you need about vaccination and how important it is are everywhere, the WHO did not fail to give all the news and updates the world needs to combat this virus, this is the time that we accept that knowledge is power, this virus is extremely dangerous you just have to check what happens to India and Indonesia to know that this virus should not be taken lightly and we should know how to protect and combat it, and so far the only way is to get vaccinated.
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July 26, 2021, 05:00:51 AM |
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To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case. I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
All the right information you need about vaccination and how important it is are everywhere, the WHO did not fail to give all the news and updates the world needs to combat this virus, this is the time that we accept that knowledge is power, this virus is extremely dangerous you just have to check what happens to India and Indonesia to know that this virus should not be taken lightly and we should know how to protect and combat it, and so far the only way is to get vaccinated. So far this is the only "Pfizer" vaccine available in our country that has low risk compared to others and everyone in the city is recommended to take the vaccine as soon as possible before the Delta Variant spread here. In that case, there will be no doubt that we will run out of vaccines when that happens and those who are hard-headed will regret not taking advantage of the free vaccine when it was available. We need to cooperate with the health workers because we've been in this pandemic for long enough unlike the other countries in the west looks like they already winning and more likely ending the pandemic in their country while we are still prevented from going out without using both faces mask and face shield.
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July 26, 2021, 05:36:52 AM |
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But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate. Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.
By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.
Did you checked the numbers from Sweden? Till now, they had 1,096,799 infections (the total population is just 10 million) and 14,615 deaths. These are huge numbers, and without any doubt the worst for any European country. For comparison, these are the total number of deaths for the neighboring countries - 799 for Norway and 978 for Finland. Even if you take in to account the difference in population, the mortality rate in Sweden is at least 10 times higher than the neighboring nations. Still want to argue that the Sweden model worked? Even now they are having approx. 500 cases per day.
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July 26, 2021, 09:49:36 AM |
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But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate. Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.
By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.
Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'Sweden’s failed COVID strategy leaves the country deeply dividedIt all depends on how strong a country medical structure is, in terms of hospitals, oxygen beds...etc If you switch Sweden by any other country with weak healthcare system, the result will be more disastrous and we all saw how catastrophic the situation was in India although they taken several restrictions measures... I agree that being vaccinated doesn't mean there will be no more mutation, that's why I insist that a massive vaccination is the only solution to stop this shit. Otherwise it will be a 6 - 12 months vaccination for years... BTW vaccine doesn't kill the virus, our strengthen immune system does. Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language). As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close. By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).
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In the meanwhile, updated data from Israel suggests possible waning in effectiveness of Pfizer mRNA drug. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-israel-pfizer.htmlThis means that a third dose is certainly gonna be inevitable and, moreover, that the virus will get more and more resistant to the drug. I agree with those scientists who say that it's a truly bad mistake to start any vaccination during an ongoing epidemic. Analyzing the government’s national health statistics, researchers estimated that the Pfizer shot was just 39 percent effective against preventing infection in the country in late June and early July, compared with 95 percent from January to early April.
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And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.
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And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession. Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .
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