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August 12, 2021, 07:47:41 AM
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People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
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The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.

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August 12, 2021, 10:34:55 AM
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Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?

Even in India, the Sputnik V vaccine program is getting delayed because the second component is not available. But I heard that the issue was resolved in Argentina. A local manufacturer started distributing second component doses from this month onwards.

https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202108/564683-distribuyen-en-todo-el-pais-mas-de-600-mil-dosis-del-componente-2-de-sputnik-v.html

According to the above source, 600k doses of the second component has been distributed, while another 2.4 million will be distributed by the end of this month. Argentina has so far administered 12,468,830 doses of Sputnik V (highest number after Russia). There were some protests there as a result of the delays. But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).

This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

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August 12, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
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This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

Actually the Argentine government tried hard to procure Pfizer vaccines for its citizens. But Pfizer wanted protection from any future lawsuits related to criminal negligence and wanted the government to keep the military bases and central bank reserves as collateral. The government conducted several rounds of negotiations with the pharma company, but the latter refused to relent. Eventually the president gave up and announced that they will rather go for Sputnik V/Sinopharm/AstraZeneca.
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August 13, 2021, 04:05:20 AM
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People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
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The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.
If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.

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August 13, 2021, 06:09:24 AM
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That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.
lol this is a bribe to make people try their luck but you as human who believes that Vaccine is risk to your life , would you still try that lottery even if you think that can be your death will be the next?

we know what our capacity and care about our life , and having this bribe just to have that vaccine luring small people than interested.
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August 13, 2021, 10:11:36 AM
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This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

Actually the Argentine government tried hard to procure Pfizer vaccines for its citizens. But Pfizer wanted protection from any future lawsuits related to criminal negligence and wanted the government to keep the military bases and central bank reserves as collateral. The government conducted several rounds of negotiations with the pharma company, but the latter refused to relent. Eventually the president gave up and announced that they will rather go for Sputnik V/Sinopharm/AstraZeneca.

Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

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August 13, 2021, 01:51:22 PM
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Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

Against the original strain, Pfizer had around 95% efficacy. But it is proving increasingly ineffective against the delta variant, which is causing a majority of the COVID-related deaths now. Check this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

A study by the Mayo Clinic suggests that Moderna vaccine is 76% effective against the delta variant, while Pfizer has an efficacy of just 42%. BTW, the other vaccines (such as Sinopharm and AstraZeneca) fare far worse against the delta variant.
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August 13, 2021, 02:41:34 PM
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Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

Against the original strain, Pfizer had around 95% efficacy. But it is proving increasingly ineffective against the delta variant, which is causing a majority of the COVID-related deaths now. Check this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

A study by the Mayo Clinic suggests that Moderna vaccine is 76% effective against the delta variant, while Pfizer has an efficacy of just 42%. BTW, the other vaccines (such as Sinopharm and AstraZeneca) fare far worse against the delta variant.

I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

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August 14, 2021, 03:50:14 AM
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I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

If the population is fully vaccinated and herd immunity is achieved, then the virus will stop infecting humans and the mutations will stop. The reason why we had delta strain in the first place was that during the initial stages, the developed nations hoarded all the vaccines, leaving poor nations with a vaccine shortage. If you remember, the more fatal strains emerged almost 15 months after the appearance of the original strain. There was enough time to vaccinate everyone, but it was not done. And right now, there is no option apart from getting vaccinated, to stay alive.

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That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.
lol this is a bribe to make people try their luck but you as human who believes that Vaccine is risk to your life , would you still try that lottery even if you think that can be your death will be the next?

we know what our capacity and care about our life , and having this bribe just to have that vaccine luring small people than interested.
I doubt that because they will not risk their lives to be vaccinated. That is what people might do when they do not believe in the government and will go to someplace that they will not get pursued by the government to go to the health centre or a place that only them know. They believe that getting vaccinated or not is a choice and they choose not to get vaccinated because they doubt the vaccine can protect their lives.

In this matter, the government need to use different approaches to explain to them and not use their power to force that person to vaccinate. The government does not have to use the lottery because as long as they want to get vaccinated, the lottery will not be the primary thing for them.

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Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.

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I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

If the population is fully vaccinated and herd immunity is achieved, then the virus will stop infecting humans and the mutations will stop. The reason why we had delta strain in the first place was that during the initial stages, the developed nations hoarded all the vaccines, leaving poor nations with a vaccine shortage. If you remember, the more fatal strains emerged almost 15 months after the appearance of the original strain. There was enough time to vaccinate everyone, but it was not done. And right now, there is no option apart from getting vaccinated, to stay alive.

No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.

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People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
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The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.
If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.
The hope from those who value life emerges to fasten the vaccinations,

They wanted to lessen or slow the spread, vaccination help but if even the majority already have it, there's still no assurance that the virus will not continue, mutations as we seen it happened with this Delta variant, even those who already vaccinated are not secure not being a carrier and spread it from those who still don't have the vaccines, this action from the government of giving incentive should also have demos or advertisement what value vaccines will add to protect lives.
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No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.

As per published figures, Moderna offers 76% protection against the most contagious strain of COVID 19 (and almost 100% protection against death from the virus). That means that vaccinated people are far safer, when compared to the unvaccinated ones. And even in the US, most of the deaths have been reported from the section of the population which refused to get vaccinated. Fully vaccinated (more than half of the population) accounted for less than 1% of the deaths in May 2021. You can check this article:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

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People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
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The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.
If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.
The hope from those who value life emerges to fasten the vaccinations,

They wanted to lessen or slow the spread, vaccination help but if even the majority already have it, there's still no assurance that the virus will not continue, mutations as we seen it happened with this Delta variant, even those who already vaccinated are not secure not being a carrier and spread it from those who still don't have the vaccines, this action from the government of giving incentive should also have demos or advertisement what value vaccines will add to protect lives.
If they are already vaccinated, they still need to take care of themselves and not go out if they do not have urgent things to prevent the risk.
We still need to wait for further information from the government as a regulator and hopefully, they will give something good news to us.
Hopefully, the existing variant will not mutate into a new one and we can still live healthily and not worry about the virus anymore.
Or if there are a new variant comes out, we already build a new immune to prevent the variant.
But better to communicate with your doctor or discuss with the health representative to know more details about the vaccine so you will not get the wrong information.

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August 15, 2021, 05:06:22 AM
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I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

If the population is fully vaccinated and herd immunity is achieved, then the virus will stop infecting humans and the mutations will stop. The reason why we had delta strain in the first place was that during the initial stages, the developed nations hoarded all the vaccines, leaving poor nations with a vaccine shortage. If you remember, the more fatal strains emerged almost 15 months after the appearance of the original strain. There was enough time to vaccinate everyone, but it was not done. And right now, there is no option apart from getting vaccinated, to stay alive.

No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.
That is what I most fear. Delta variation is already terrifying enough, but the virus can still get more powerful and we don't know where this is going to end. Vaccines are temporary palliatives, but they don't fully protect the individual or stop new mutations. A proof of this fact are the yearly vaccines for common flu, which don't prevent people from getting sick or the flu itself from existing.
Another thing I think it's an absurd is how the world's countries and WHO in special don't confront China for developing the virus. quite the opposite, there is already an agenda manufacturing the theory that covid19 isn't lab made, didn't come from China and they have nothing to do with this. It's totally negligent to let China unpunished for this crime, because they will feel free and loose to keep doing their experients with biological weapons until a similar or worse leak happen again...

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August 15, 2021, 05:19:07 AM
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Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.
And that's why countries like Poland and other countries are encouraging and giving them a free thing to take if they take the vaccine.

It's a matter of mind set by the government and also by those people who care for the welfare of others.



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There's really a lot of tricks to convince people to get vaccinated, I was curious what other countries tricks in order to convince their citizens to have the vaccine. It seems that many people are not interested on having the vaccine that's why they need something like this to convince people.

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August 15, 2021, 05:49:54 AM
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Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.
You don't understand because you are not in their shoes , you don't feel their body and you have no idea what they are going through .
There are people that has already having medical issues and they are afraid that they will not survive the vaccine as the side effects will eventually come.
and also this vaccine knows to be dangerous at some point to those who has week body so what is the different of dying in Covid and dying in vaccine? at east they can decide not to die in vaccine and if even they got infected then that would be their nightmare .

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August 15, 2021, 11:42:17 AM
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There's really a lot of tricks to convince people to get vaccinated, I was curious what other countries tricks in order to convince their citizens to have the vaccine. It seems that many people are not interested on having the vaccine that's why they need something like this to convince people.

If covid is a real thing then there would be no need for "encouraging people" to take a vaccine! But covid and all this shit is just one big trick from powerful people on the top, and I see many "brainwashed" people here making ridiculous comments!

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.

So you took that vaccine and now you are judging all others... It is a funny thing how religious/nationalistic/or any other fanatics remind me on covid fanatics! You are ready to blow entire cities, with all the people who live there, just to prove your worthless point!

Nothing is going with me... I am healthy and well, why would I take that vaccine? And don't sell me some mambo jumbo things you saw on TV who are earning on that vaccine and this entire situation! I am not their slave, I mean I am like anyone else, but there are some limits...

In the end, this new vaccinated-unvaccinated war is made up! It's what they want, to separate people even more! Separated people can't unite and without unity, there are no big changes... I can't believe that so many people fall on this covid crap!

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