Human society is migrating to "math governance" through Bitcoin.

[RainbowKun]

In the past few days when I came to bitcointalk, I made two points. One is that Bitcoin is not only a currency, but also a new civilization. The other is that Bitcoin is the only thing that humans cannot control. These two points of view have aroused everyone's discussion and also caused some ambiguities.

Here, I am very grateful to every friend who replies to me for further improving my knowledge system . Now, I further refine my view. The thought I want to express in this article is: human society is migrating from "human governance" to "math governance" through Bitcoin.

In this Bitcoin forum, I proposed the concept of "Bit Civilization" for the first time. I believe this is also the first time someone has raised Bitcoin to the height of "human civilization" for discussion. When we discussed Bitcoin in the past, we discussed Bitcoin as a currency or a digital asset. But few people raise it to the height of "human civilization".

But in my opinion, Bitcoin really represents a new civilization, a new civilization of mankind based on "mathematics."


In the past five thousand years of history, our human society has given birth to different civilization systems. In particular, the birth of the country marked the entry of human beings into a "civilized society."

We rely on state institutions to establish government, military, law, banking, currency, culture, family, language, writing, religion, cities, and villages. Some are economic foundations, and some are superstructures. Together, these constitute the overall civilization of mankind.

At the same time, different countries or ethnic groups may have different ways of life, which constitute different branches of civilization. This is also the reason why there are cultural differences between Eastern and Western civilizations.

Human civilization is equivalent to human society itself. Whenever human society is mentioned, it involves the issue of "social governance". The governance of our human society is based on "people governing people". It is built on the basis of human nature.

First of all, different countries establish the order of operation of the country by establishing different legal systems. But this order is maintained by humans, which forms a "concentration of power." Those with power can use their power to seek more personal benefits for themselves. In the end, different types of centralized institutions have completed the exploitation of ordinary people.

As long as there is "people governing people", there will be corruption and exploitation due to "human nature's pursuit of benefits." Eventually lead to the unfairness of the whole human society.

But when Bitcoin was born, all this changed. The blockchain network established by Bitcoin is not based on "people governing people", but on the basis of "mathematical governance".

 The Bitcoin network does not believe in "human nature", and all network operations are not performed by "human individuals", but by "code". At the same time, the code is based on "Mathematical Algorithm". It is based on this that Bitcoin has opened a new era of governance of human civilization: mathematical governance.

This is why I say that Bitcoin is a new and advanced civilization. Because the "bit civilization" based on the "Mathematical Algorithm". No matter whether it is an individual or a human collective, it cannot interfere, intervene, or control it, but can only adapt to it.

The existing human technology cannot crack the private key of Bitcoin, the existing human technology cannot tamper with the Bitcoin ledger, and the human government cannot shut down all Bitcoin nodes.

Human beings can only adapt to the existence of Bitcoin, and cannot eliminate the Bitcoin network fundamentally.

The Bitcoin network represents a more advanced civilized system, based on a civilized system of "mathematical governance". In the past, the masters of power in humans manipulated all aspects of society. But when Bitcoin was born, they had no choice but to adapt to the "mathematical governance" of Bitcoin in the end. Because this is the direction of the evolution of the times.

Maybe we can't feel this yet, because Bitcoin has just been born 12 years ago. But what about 10, 50 or 100 years later? I believe that in 100 years later, human beings must be under blockchain governance. All aspects of our human society are built on the basis of mathematics under the governance framework of "smart contracts".

Let us not look at the present from the perspective of the past. We have to look at today's changes in human civilization over the next 100 years. Only in this way can we truly understand the changes that Satoshi Nakamoto brought to human civilization through the creation of Bitcoin.

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[kxwhalexk]

The word governance often reminds me of centralization.

From human governance to mathematical governance, I think we need to redefine what governance is.

• The human governance that I understand is that an authoritative person makes decisions and determines the direction of things.

But mathematical governance does not mean that mathematics determines the direction of development.

• I think the definition of mathematical governance is that humans rely on a complete set of decentralized mathematical logic to determine the final trend of things.

The root of mathematics governance is human governance.

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Group polarization means that when making decisions in a group, 
people tend to be more adventurous or conservative than when making individual decisions, skewing towards a certain extreme,
 and thus deviating from the best decision.

Decentralized decision-making can be called a referendum，But in many cases, this kind of decision-making is not as efficient and high-quality as elite decision-making.

[Darker45]

Mathematics is logic. It is something whose laws even god cannot change. You know, 1+1=2. However, when it comes to human society, governance in particular, is it even possible to insulate everything from human influence? Yes, we have Bitcoin, a hard-coded system following the rules of arithmetic, but how independent is it from human intervention? Isn't it that forks and various upgrades were injected into it by certain persons to which not everyone agreed?

At the end of the day, technologies following the laws of mathematics do not have much power over human society. After all, they are simply tools whose adoption or rejection are still dependent on human agreement.

[hugeblack]

Bitcoin cannot be the only currency in the world and cancel the effect of all currencies, meaning that we will need the rest of the central currencies.
Bitcoin is a solution to the problem of currency centralization and inflation, not a replacement for it.
In the past, there was no way to send money in a decentralized manner, and therefore we cannot consider Bitcoin as an island change, but rather as an era for the development of payment methods or money in general.

Again, Bitcoin is not a magic solution to all of the world's problems

[RainbowKun]

Mathematics is logic. It is something whose laws even god cannot change. You know, 1+1=2. However, when it comes to human society, governance in particular, is it even possible to insulate everything from human influence? Yes, we have Bitcoin, a hard-coded system following the rules of arithmetic, but how independent is it from human intervention? Isn't it that forks and various upgrades were injected into it by certain persons to which not everyone agreed?

At the end of the day, technologies following the laws of mathematics do not have much power over human society. After all, they are simply tools whose adoption or rejection are still dependent on human agreement.

What I want to express here is that not all social governance excludes the human factor, but that people must govern under the rules established by mathematics.
People are still the masters of society, responsible for formulating and perfecting rules. But this rule is determined by blockchain mathematics.
No one can tamper with it and execute it in accordance with logic.
Just like the smart contract system built on Ethereum now. We have now increasingly popular DeFi. In the absence of loopholes in a DeFi protocol, we must operate strictly in accordance with the logic of DeFi.
This ensures the transparency, fairness and equality of financial services. DeFi governance is only the first step for us to explore blockchain governance. In the future, all aspects of human society will be built under the mathematical governance logic of blockchain. In the end, a more fair, equal, open and free society has been formed.

Bitcoin cannot be the only currency in the world and cancel the effect of all currencies, meaning that we will need the rest of the central currencies.
Bitcoin is a solution to the problem of currency centralization and inflation, not a replacement for it.
In the past, there was no way to send money in a decentralized manner, and therefore we cannot consider Bitcoin as an island change, but rather as an era for the development of payment methods or money in general.

Again, Bitcoin is not a magic solution to all of the world's problems

Here, I don’t mean to abolish all other currencies. The future must be an era when multiple currencies coexist.
Here, I pay more attention to the thought represented by Bitcoin. One is the thought based on mathematical governance, and the other is the thought of decentralization. This kind of thinking is conducive to us building a more fair, equal and free society.
This is exactly the solution for our future society to move towards advanced civilization. We need to use this kind of thinking to transform all aspects of human society from the bottom up. But this process must be very long, it may take 10, 50 or even 100 years. But no matter what, we can clearly see the future direction of human society's evolution and express our greatest expectations for it.

[NeuroticFish]

human society is migrating from "human governance" to "math governance" through Bitcoin

Sorry, but we are very far from that.

For most people who know/use/own bitcoin, Bitcoin is just magical internet money. Most don't care about the internals.
And how many people know/use/own bitcoin? 3% of world population?

So first we need to grow that % substantially.
Then, from "magic internet money" we need a leap forward, where people understand that all that is enforced by math.
Then, maybe, with some luck, this system will be adopted in other aspects of our lives.
Will this mean "math governance"? I don't know, maybe. I am not even sure this will be adopted or will have a chance to be functional (Bitcoin/blockchain is not the universal solution for everything). But, even ignoring that part, we are very far from that.

[RainbowKun]

human society is migrating from "human governance" to "math governance" through Bitcoin

Sorry, but we are very far from that.

For most people who know/use/own bitcoin, Bitcoin is just magical internet money. Most don't care about the internals.
And how many people know/use/own bitcoin? 3% of world population?

So first we need to grow that % substantially.
Then, from "magic internet money" we need a leap forward, where people understand that all that is enforced by math.
Then, maybe, with some luck, this system will be adopted in other aspects of our lives.
Will this mean "math governance"? I don't know, maybe. I am not even sure this will be adopted or will have a chance to be functional (Bitcoin/blockchain is not the universal solution for everything). But, even ignoring that part, we are very far from that.

Yes, it is still far away from us, but I think we need to understand it. In my opinion, in addition to understanding the most basic technical knowledge and the most basic financial knowledge of Bitcoin, we also need to understand some of its essence. The changes that Bitcoin brings to us are by no means confined to the currency level. It will change every aspect of our society. Today, I wrote this point of view, hoping to think about this possibility with everyone. It also points out the direction for the future of Bitcoin. We not only need to use past experience to look at today, we also need to look at today from the perspective of the future.

[hatshepsut93]

Here, I am very grateful to every friend who replies to me for further improving my knowledge system . Now, I further refine my view. The thought I want to express in this article is: human society is migrating from "human governance" to "math governance" through Bitcoin.

Bitcoin certainly is a remarkable invention, but in the grand scheme of things it's not very influential for now. With adoption being so low, Bitcoin can't really be viewed as a new paradigm for humanity, it's just a niche tool, a tiny alternative system. I don't see Bitcoin shaping humanity's future until at least 20% of the population is actively using, maybe even more. And that's a very big condition, because right now the adoption level is around a few million people globally. That's a pretty low result for something that exists more than 10 years.

[anotherdayyyy]

I'm exceptionally excited about the math governance you mentioned but I wonder how long people have to wait before it comes to the world. Now not so many people are trading Bitcoin, some people just heard of it and some even have no idea about it! I think that a great barrier ahead. Worse still, for a big part of people who know Bitcoin, they just treat it as a tool of earning money, they don't learn about blockchain and they are blind to the significance of Bitcoin. I'm afraid the Bit civilization is nothing but a mirage for the time being unless some prominent progress can be made in this aspect. Yes, humans can not eliminate the Bitcoin network fundamentally, but they can totally refuse to adopt it.
In addition, I'm curious about how could math govern the globe with impartiality. I mean, codes are created by humans after all, right? Humans are interest-driven. So how could that happen? Except that someone invents a disinterested code and then things work under the rule of this code, then I guess math governance might be possible and fair. further elaboration is needed here because I'm sorry I didn't read other posts of yours yet and if you have explained the principle of math governance, I hope you can do me a favor and put a link for me to read thx I don't know what human civilization would be in a century but I do hearfeltly expect a more equal one to protect me from exploitation
All in all, your notion is pretty inspiring to me. I appreciate that you shared it with us.

[franky1]

civilisation, society, community
there has been a bitcoin community buzzworded about for years now

governance
bitcoin is governed not by code. but humans willing to run the code.
yes the code is the lawbook. but the lawbook only works by the will of people using it.
and the lawbook does change due to humans.
bitcoin is not a self growing AI. its just code rules wrote and edited by developers.
even in the last 4 years there have been 2 major defining changes. one of which is implementing in november

humans ultimately govern it.
yes the chances of all humans in the community turning off their node and miner at the same time/relative short period with a deadline..  is now super low that its not even a consideration. but its still based on the human will of some to continue even when others may give up

take the hashrate
some miners shut down due to orders to stop as they lived in cheap but fossil fuel regions. this left more people elsewhere to get more of the reward share. so they sold more. causing a price drop below cost effectiveness of people in expensive electric regions to shut down
170exahash down to 85exa hash in 1 month.. all due to human decisions/actions

..
anyway.
yes crypto-blockchain (or common world decentralised finance, decentralised ledger tech, etc) can be used to create more diplomatic, democratic, laws.
but bitcoin is about finance and just the first eye opening experience to what could be possible

many things being made on other networks inspired by bitcoins first concept
voting systems
criminal record systems
credit report/ user trust score systems
smart home autoshopper methods
product/goods/supply tracking
manufacturer part ordering/registering
birth, death, marriage, land, health registration/recording
employee rewards/customer loyalty points

but these blockchain systems cannot solve all of lifes data issues
and all rely on people deciding to collectively agree to keep their software running

bitcoin is not at a point were there is enough mass of people that have a sustainable electric supply and unhindered internet access where there is no recurring payment to just let it run forever without human involvement. so bitcoin right now is still heavily reliant on people maintaining it

[RainbowKun]

Bitcoin certainly is a remarkable invention, but in the grand scheme of things it's not very influential for now. With adoption being so low, Bitcoin can't really be viewed as a new paradigm for humanity, it's just a niche tool, a tiny alternative system. I don't see Bitcoin shaping humanity's future until at least 20% of the population is actively using, maybe even more. And that's a very big condition, because right now the adoption level is around a few million people globally. That's a pretty low result for something that exists more than 10 years.

In my opinion, the current impact of Bitcoin is already very large. Two years ago, most countries also regarded Bitcoin as a scam. But today, some countries have adopted Bitcoin as legal tender. This is a huge victory. In addition, all current achievements are achieved without the operation of a centralized organization, and are entirely promoted by a decentralized community. This is another great victory. Bitcoin will develop in the form of acceleration, which will be accepted by more and more people.

I'm exceptionally excited about the math governance you mentioned but I wonder how long people have to wait before it comes to the world. Now not so many people are trading Bitcoin, some people just heard of it and some even have no idea about it! I think that a great barrier ahead. Worse still, for a big part of people who know Bitcoin, they just treat it as a tool of earning money, they don't learn about blockchain and they are blind to the significance of Bitcoin. I'm afraid the Bit civilization is nothing but a mirage for the time being unless some prominent progress can be made in this aspect. Yes, humans can not eliminate the Bitcoin network fundamentally, but they can totally refuse to adopt it.
In addition, I'm curious about how could math govern the globe with impartiality. I mean, codes are created by humans after all, right? Humans are interest-driven. So how could that happen? Except that someone invents a disinterested code and then things work under the rule of this code, then I guess math governance might be possible and fair. further elaboration is needed here because I'm sorry I didn't read other posts of yours yet and if you have explained the principle of math governance, I hope you can do me a favor and put a link for me to read thx I don't know what human civilization would be in a century but I do hearfeltly expect a more equal one to protect me from exploitation
All in all, your notion is pretty inspiring to me. I appreciate that you shared it with us.

Thank you for your wonderful response, what I want to say is that any great change is not achieved overnight, but takes time to accumulate, and Bitcoin is the same. We can now see the evolutionary direction of human society in the future, which is to move towards mathematical governance through blockchain. This is my prediction for the future.

civilisation, society, community
there has been a bitcoin community buzzworded about for years now
governance
bitcoin is governed not by code. but humans willing to run the code.
yes the code is the lawbook. but the lawbook only works by the will of people using it.
and the lawbook does change due to humans.
bitcoin is not a self growing AI. its just code rules wrote and edited by developers.
even in the last 4 years there have been 2 major defining changes. one of which is implementing in november
humans ultimately govern it.
yes the chances of all humans in the community turning off their node and miner at the same time/relative short period with a deadline..  is now super low that its not even a consideration. but its still based on the human will of some to continue even when others may give up

Yes, the main body of governance is people, who update and maintain the code. However, when the code starts to run well, people must operate according to the rules of the code, and cannot change the logic of the code without authorization. This is the "mathematical governance" I proposed. Only this kind of governance will be more transparent, fair and correct, and it will be easier for people to generate trust. We are not trusting an individual, we believe in mathematical algorithms. What we believe in is code logic. This is the governance model of the advanced human civilization society in the future.

[DapanasFruit]

Mathematics is logic. It is something whose laws even god cannot change. You know, 1+1=2. However, when it comes to human society, governance in particular, is it even possible to insulate everything from human influence? Yes, we have Bitcoin, a hard-coded system following the rules of arithmetic, but how independent is it from human intervention? Isn't it that forks and various upgrades were injected into it by certain persons to which not everyone agreed? At the end of the day, technologies following the laws of mathematics do not have much power over human society. After all, they are simply tools whose adoption or rejection are still dependent on human agreement.

I would add that when it comes to human society, the element of human nature do always come into play and we can observe this in our long and winding history here on this planet. Things are not as easy as 1,2,3 or as you said 1+1=2 because had it been that way then maybe we could have now a better and more peaceful existence. The idea that we can be moving from centralized human governance to decentralized math governance can have some bearing but of course it will always have some limitations. And we can only see the full potential of this so-called "math governance" once Bitcoin is accepted by many countries as a legal tender and the blockchain technology applied in many areas including how we are governed...and for now this is just a wishful thinking.

[NeuroticFish]

bitcoin is governed not by code. but humans willing to run the code.
yes the code is the lawbook. but the lawbook only works by the will of people using it.

This is the main paradigm shift imho. People start to trust the code in a more open manner.
The code is already present in car manufacturing, in stock markets and many other fields, but usually there are humans taking responsibility if the code fails.
In Bitcoin one trusts his money to the code and if the code fails (most probably not gonna happen) or the human misuses the code (from sending to wrong address to being careless with private keys) no reimbursement will happen.

Of course, most people investing into Bitcoin are not aware of this subtle change, but I think that this is the direction OP is interested in.

we also need to understand some of its essence.

Indeed, but an overly estimated 7% from the 3% of the world population is ... 0.21%
So ~ 0.21% would actually care. Too few to make an impact.

It will change every aspect of our society.

It may. Far in the future. For now, all this is seen only as buzz words with no tangible meaning.
The increased use of blockchains in various fields will help, as long as they're used in a well thought manner and not just because blockchains are trending today.

[just_Alice]

That is a very deep thought you got there and I really appreciate you writing this, finally a whiff of fresh air. But let's get back to reality...

It really hurts me to disappoint you but you people are way more stupid and pragmatic than you imagine. I really wish it was the way you described and it is the way it's supposed to be, but it just doesn't seem to work that way YET.

The problem is

The Bitcoin network represents a more advanced civilized system

- that is true, but people aren't ready for that kind of advancement yet.

It sort of like geniuses made great discoveries in the field of nuclear physics, but the civilization didn't know better than to use it as a means to destroy humanity. Satoshi's idea is genius, but the majority of the population only sees Bitcoin as means of making money.

[RainbowKun]

That is a very deep thought you got there and I really appreciate you writing this, finally a whiff of fresh air. But let's get back to reality...

It really hurts me to disappoint you but you people are way more stupid and pragmatic than you imagine. I really wish it was the way you described and it is the way it's supposed to be, but it just doesn't seem to work that way YET.

The problem is

The Bitcoin network represents a more advanced civilized system

- that is true, but people aren't ready for that kind of advancement yet.

It sort of like geniuses made great discoveries in the field of nuclear physics, but the civilization didn't know better than to use it as a means to destroy humanity. Satoshi's idea is genius, but the majority of the population only sees Bitcoin as means of making money.

Yes, most people currently see Bitcoin as a money-making machine. But it does not prevent more and more people from beginning to realize the nature of Bitcoin. Bitcoin will completely change the way human society is governed. Maybe this is a very long process, but we have already seen the light.

[Tash]

Well as i said many times Democracy is not a progressive forward moving system, its a fools game.
Anyone can lead, which in real life means whoever is the most corrupt.
A university professor can never persuade the school dropouts to vote for him as he does not speak the same language, has nothing in common with them.
So the dropouts, with two thirds majority (or form a coalition) alternative lead the way telling the professor what is the right thing to do.
Does the world have more drop-outs of professors?

[RainbowKun]

Well as i said many times Democracy is not a progressive forward moving system, its a fools game.
Anyone can lead, which in real life means whoever is the most corrupt.
A university professor can never persuade the school dropouts to vote for him as he does not speak the same language, has nothing in common with them.
So the dropouts, with two thirds majority (or form a coalition) alternative lead the way telling the professor what is the right thing to do.
Does the world have more drop-outs of professors?

Yes, many times we all yearn for democracy, but many times it is difficult for us to have real democracy. This is determined by a multi-party interest game. But now, Bitcoin has given us a solution. Mathematical governance provides a more transparent and fair governance method. Maybe we are still a long way from complete mathematical governance, but now we have seen a little light.

[franky1]

democracy fails in 2 area's

1. no binding contract requiring the winner fulfil his election pledges. no penalty for avoiding fulfilling his pledges

2. the public vote is usually just a fame vote of a personality once every 4 years. and not a law/regulation vote on the things that help/hinder peoples lives

 in short if someone wants to just have a 4 year political career, sitting on their ass doing nothing but getting all the salary and bribes and 'donations' from lobby groups.. well. the current regime of democracy is perfect for you to be a politician


distributed ledger tech can solve this by allowing
  citizens to make daily/weekly votes on the inner details of daily/weekly politics
  EG get rid of congress and senate and just let the citizens vote on every bill direct
and even
  bills with a budget earmarked for the project. actually locked/earmarked digitally.
  with payment terms, penalties and bonuses if achieved efficiently
  EG X phases of project.. phase 2 payment not released unless phase1 signed off
  if things go over budget. a payment request can be generated and it be voted in to release funds

[tvbcof]

democracy fails in 2 area's

1. no binding contract requiring the winner fulfil his election pledges. no penalty for avoiding fulfilling his pledges

2. the public vote is usually just a fame vote of a personality once every 4 years. and not a law/regulation vote on the things that help/hinder peoples lives

 in short if someone wants to just have a 4 year political career, sitting on their ass doing nothing but getting all the salary and bribes and 'donations' from lobby groups.. well. the current regime of democracy is perfect for you to be a politician


distributed ledger tech can solve this by allowing
  citizens to make daily/weekly votes on the inner details of daily/weekly politics
  EG get rid of congress and senate and just let the citizens vote on every bill direct
and even
  bills with a budget earmarked for the project. actually locked/earmarked digitally.
  with payment terms, penalties and bonuses if achieved efficiently
  EG X phases of project.. phase 2 payment not released unless phase1 signed off
  if things go over budget. a payment request can be generated and it be voted in to release funds

Merited because it is highly unusual to see something from this guy (or bot) which I somewhat agree with.

I would say that direct democracy is a sure-fire disaster, but methods of broad inputs into processes are a very needed thing.  That is to say, anyone who gives a shit at all should be able to add their weight to pressures in whatever direction they think is right.  Distributed crypto-currencies (and related technologies riding in tandem with them) are a potentially valuable way to achieve this 'continuous voting' paradigm.

I believe that two things are necessary to get things working better:

 - Classification of 'public servants' in an unambiguous manner.  You wanna work for 'the public'?  Fine.  You'll be well re-reimbursed in multiple ways.  But working for the public means working for the public exclusively.  YOU will be monitored with all the technology which has been developed (and others will not.)  YOU will pay dearly if you break the arrangements of the job.

 - Complete transparency.  'Public servants' don't have a private life, and no element of governance is secret.  Basically if a person cannot stand they heat, they are more than welcome to stay out of the kitchen and we (99%) would all be better for it.  In terms of government operations, certain highly critical things are kept away from public scrutiny for a period of time, but they are released at a defined schedule and as quickly as feasible.

Anyway, all of this documentation and data is pretty amenable to public distribution via technologies and methods pioneered in crypto-currency land.

[semobo]

distributed ledger tech can solve this by allowing
  citizens to make daily/weekly votes on the inner details of daily/weekly politics
  EG get rid of congress and senate and just let the citizens vote on every bill direct
and even
  bills with a budget earmarked for the project. actually locked/earmarked digitally.
  with payment terms, penalties and bonuses if achieved efficiently
  EG X phases of project.. phase 2 payment not released unless phase1 signed off
  if things go over budget. a payment request can be generated and it be voted in to release funds

I strongly agree with this idea but in reality, it is never going to happen, government makes laws and the government made by those leaders we are talking about so it may not evolve in such a way as you described unless every citizen protest for this. Meanwhile, people are busy for their survival and those leaders are enjoying the powers so leaders or politicians know how to play it safe and keep the people away from such revolutions.