Gambling or playing?

[Lordshiva]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

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[Lucasgabd]

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Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Haha! Tell me about it! I've spent many hundreds of hours playing such games, or tournaments with $1 prize pool.  Indeed, I was playing those games for the sake of learning and improving, and also for the fun of it. What's interesting(back to the topic) is that it never occurred to me to start playing with real money at the time. I was playing only free to enter tournaments and was happy with that. So, I think there are good chances that underage players exposed to a roulette game inside of another game won't even think of gambling with real money.

Have you heard of the Flow State?
the first to talk about it was a psychologist called Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
He says flow is the secret to happiness, and some say it is the fuel of learning.
I wouldn't be surprised to know that many people who seek gambling are just looking for a source of flow, and find it in gambling activities

of course, the money aspect of it and the varied outcomes makes it way more exciting!

[Pamadar]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

Not good as it can corrupt young minds, introducing gambling to young age may lead them into addictions,

Most of them will find this venue as a good source of making money, imagine by just playing games and compete with other players
you have the chance to win money.

Parents need to take extra efforts to make sure that their children are far from these gamings, limiting or taking time to discuss
this kind of possible addiction problem even in this early stage gives the child an idea how bad the damages can take them if they'll going to proceed and not to listen with their parents.

[South Park]

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

Gambling as we know includes the possibility of losing something or winning something, if we play any of the gambling games that are famous like roulette, poker or blackjack but we are not using money then we're not really gambling and we are just playing a game, in fact one thing that I have noticed is that if we play those games without any money involved very quickly you are going to realize that the games are really boring and you will obtain more entertainment playing any other board games like monopoly, it is the risk of winning or losing money that gives gambling its charm.

[KTChampions]

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

This kind of monetization is almost inevitable for any free game. Developers need to be paid, plus there are many other infrastructural expenditures necessary for the game to be available to players. Another thing is that this can be done in the form of purchases of items in the game, and not "gambling" for these items with unclear chances.

[DoublerHunter]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

[Hypnosis00]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

They will not survive if they just rely on the allowance, but addiction will make them do everything and they'll find a way to gamble, and it might result for them stealing money which is not good. That's why prevention is always better than cure, so as a parent, we should monitor our children as they are minors, weak and easily get addicted, whatever happen to them, nothing to be blame by us.

[Kyraishi]

Are you talking about features that resemble opening cases/other events of chance which are integrated into games?

I think that the first thing everyone needs to realise is that even though it is integrated in a game and has a pretty shell, it is 100% still gambling. It's just that if you open these crates, or gamble within a video game, your RTP odds are going to slip significantly as the house edge is notoriously high.

Opening CSGO cases I believe has an over >50% house edge, yet people do it all the time - fair play to them though, if it brings them more entertainment than traditional gambling, although definitely a waste of money.

[Hamphser]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

They will not survive if they just rely on the allowance, but addiction will make them do everything and they'll find a way to gamble, and it might result for them stealing money which is not good. That's why prevention is always better than cure, so as a parent, we should monitor our children as they are minors, weak and easily get addicted, whatever happen to them, nothing to be blame by us.

There's no other person to be blamed but only you as a parent but not totally because there are really some decisions which cant really be handled out by parents but totally in self will.

This is why its better to give out some awareness and let them realize that gambling is never been a good thing specially on young minds.It will just create or mold something which would

really be a big problem in the future. As a kid or a son then you shouldnt really be that too hasty on dealing up with things which is connected to gambling.

[Kasabus]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

They will not survive if they just rely on the allowance, but addiction will make them do everything and they'll find a way to gamble, and it might result for them stealing money which is not good. That's why prevention is always better than cure, so as a parent, we should monitor our children as they are minors, weak and easily get addicted, whatever happen to them, nothing to be blame by us.

There's no other person to be blamed but only you as a parent but not totally because there are really some decisions which cant really be handled out by parents but totally in self will.

This is why its better to give out some awareness and let them realize that gambling is never been a good thing specially on young minds.It will just create or mold something which would

really be a big problem in the future. As a kid or a son then you shouldnt really be that too hasty on dealing up with things which is connected to gambling.

There's a reason why casinos would only allow you to gamble if you are already at the right age, though they say if you have money to lose, you are welcome, they also have a responsibility to ensure that they'll follow the guidelines from the regulators and that is not to allow minors to gamble.

With the advent of crypto, it has become easy for minors to access, a simple game may lead to serious gambling and since crypto casinos are not fully regulated, there's a big risk that their children will be hook if without guidance.

[worldofcoins]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

[ralle14]

Not good as it can corrupt young minds, introducing gambling to young age may lead them into addictions,

Most of them will find this venue as a good source of making money, imagine by just playing games and compete with other players
you have the chance to win money.

Most games that distribute their cosmetics through lootboxes isn't really a good source of money as not all games allow you to sell cosmetics. Sure you can sell the account but what I want to say it's one of the worst ways to make money as you're likely going to spend more on your accounts and you won't break even from selling it.

As a kid or a son then you shouldnt really be that too hasty on dealing up with things which is connected to gambling.

They can't really avoid this situation as there's way too many gambling content posted in the internet.

[aioc]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This will have a bad effect on children being exposed to betting that will lead them to gamble and end up in casinos, parents should check what's on the game site that their children are playing and they should be aware of the existence of these fortune games, it's ok for adults they can handle this thing, but not for children, they should be the one to pick what gaming site should their children are playing to avoid a bad repercussion to their children.

[Lucasgabd]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

[Cling18]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

In some rural areas, poker is being played only for fun snd entertainment purposes. It's also fun to play even without any amount of money involved. It's also a strategic game that we could enjoy even without money but most gamblers find it more enjoyable with money. Other than poker, there are also entertainjng gambling games thar we could find around us.

[bitzizzix]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

I think poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, although there is an element of luck, skill will prevail in the long run.
And besides, manipulating the situation is also very important in playing poker. I mean we have to be good at acting in the game when we have good or bad cards and bluff at the right time and that doesn't mean you keep doing that method throughout the game and there are good moments to do it.
Poker is a relaxing game and can also test your adrenaline when your opponent is bluffing when the bet is added and if your cards are not convincing better not to do it and vice versa and that's luck.

[Yamifoud]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

I think poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, although there is an element of luck, skill will prevail in the long run.
And besides, manipulating the situation is also very important in playing poker. I mean we have to be good at acting in the game when we have good or bad cards and bluff at the right time and that doesn't mean you keep doing that method throughout the game and there are good moments to do it.
Poker is a relaxing game and can also test your adrenaline when your opponent is bluffing when the bet is added and if your cards are not convincing better not to do it and vice versa and that's luck.

We can make use of our skill in this game but it needs more luck in order to win. This is how gambling is meant to be, it is very simple. But f course, having a long experience in a poker game and really have good skills in this, it becomes our advantage to the others, especially for beginners. But still, in general, LUCK will help it out and having a  huge chance of winning.

[Tumanggor]

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This will have a bad effect on children being exposed to betting that will lead them to gamble and end up in casinos, parents should check what's on the game site that their children are playing and they should be aware of the existence of these fortune games, it's ok for adults they can handle this thing, but not for children, they should be the one to pick what gaming site should their children are playing to avoid a bad repercussion to their children.

parents are getting more and more difficult to control their children's online activities because children are smart enough to hide things
Parents are required to be more observant in seeing changes in behavior in their children because when children are involved in gambling in games, it will be difficult to be advised

I still remember when I was in school, I often gambled on PS2 and we bet on the football team there
I'm very addicted, and it made me have to move house several times to get rid of my addiction to soccer betting on PS2

[Fredomago]

We can make use of our skill in this game but it needs more luck in order to win. This is how gambling is meant to be, it is very simple. But f course, having a long experience in a poker game and really have good skills in this, it becomes our advantage to the others, especially for beginners. But still, in general, LUCK will help it out and having a  huge chance of winning.

Luck helps you a lot and if you know how to maximize your luck together with your skills and experienced your chance to bank lots of profits is really possible.

Experienced dictates on how you'll play the game with all those set up plans, better to have a good system to follow while playing the game.

Together with your skills, finding luck playing beside you increases your chance to take every single edge you have while you are inside the table. It gives you good opportunities to win and with good experience; you know when to stop to enjoy your profits.

[boyptc]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

That's surely for having fun.

But what makes it more fun if there's a bet for each of those people sitting on the table. Well, games that have in-game casinos and such as poker tables.

They're more enjoyable especially if you're playing with strangers and a few known people of yours on the other side.

I think games on a computer or smartphone, such as poker that uses coins or the like (not real currency) are quite fun games and even I personally do it and I consider the game only as a place to practice in understanding the character of the game, even though the game is has a different atmosphere from when we play directly on the table, but I think this game can give us some good experiences and tricks, to face our opponents when playing real on the table.

There are those practiceable apps that will make you improve your poker skills. I've played a few of them long time ago when I'm looking for a pastime.

But still playing on the real table with real bets, online or offline, game or not, as long as it's the usual poker that we're playing, it's more fun.