Gambling or playing?

[paxmao]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

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[rhomelmabini]

I guess that would take into consideration by the creator but mostly newer games doesn't offer such kind of gambling in-game options. If ever there such kind of a new game to be released I'd consider it a new skill to be learnt but at least they shouldn't let it be an option for the players to bet some real money. If most of the game isn't about gambling I don't think there will be bad effect that these players may get, though it's understatement because it all depends on individuals and parental guidance.

[fiulpro]

See if the Gambling is connected with games and is available to everyone it should be against the law. Anything that is integrated with gambling should have a set age limit.

I do think that we might have more winning chances. Which means that soon enough people might focus on the games which might help them improve their skills. I do think that these games should only be provided on special platforms.

There might be platforms that might create nuisance if the integration of Gambling is introduced, so we will have limited options.   It would not be as diverse as we might think.

Are these in Game Gambling options easy to procure ? Or is there some procedure like giving your documents etc, to verify the age. ( I have not come across such platforms but great to hear such information. )

[yazher]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Ow! those who are engaged in gambling are kinda addicted to this especially the upgrades platform where you only a fewer chances to upgrade your items quality into its max power and the probability is kinda low and it is possible to compare it to gambling because the odds is somewhat familiar to it. Of course, if you managed to get it successfully many times in a day, you will get addicted and forget to play the whole game. All you gonna do is to ups some items and to sell them for higher prices. You will acquire some traits that have something in common with traditional gamblers.

[GreatArkansas]

We can relate this to some gambling sites that accepting in-game items, just like in Dota 2 or CSGO items, I already tried it before which you can able to use the same items to bet on gambling sites.

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

For me, this will be good if there is transparency like they will use blockchain technology for it, or with using NFT, etc. Players should also consider the fair probability when doing the gambling to measure the fairness.

[iv4n]

GTA has in-game gambling, and some other games too! But it's just for fun as I remember, you can't really win anything (skins, items...)... Counter-Strike on the other hand is different, you can play it and you can earn skins, items... later you can gamble with it on Gambit and in few other casinos! So I am not sure about which type of game you think about... I like to play games and I like to gamble, so I like to play all kinds of games, "ordinary" and "gambling" games.

Underaged or not, if you do something that will have some effects on you! Explicit or implicit, positive or negative... all that depends on many factors! I guess every individual should follow their interest, to try to learn more about what they are doing, and for sure to not allow something to have a negative impact on their life or a state of mind! Younger or older, we are not the same... some kids are more mature than some people at late ages! It's why I don't like age restrictions, and because when I was a kid we were free a lot more than kids now!

[AicecreaME]

It's not an issue I guess if the player is going to be honest about it's age, I mean only players that's age is 18 are the only ones who can access the gambling part of the game, they could ask for KYC verification for that part of the game to make sure that no underage are playing gambling instead of just MMORPG.

Adding gambling on a certain game means that they want to increase their revenue, simple as that, or they don't have the budget for another domain or team creating the gambling games alone.

[carlfebz2]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Nothing new and it isnt surprising that these kind of implementations could really happen and some of them had been doing this for a while already. Undesireable? You arent forced to play on the site

therefore you do have the full will neither you do leave just because you do saw some little mix of gambling of a particular site.You are free to do so and its  up to someones preference

neither you would stay or would leave and its a personal  choice. Expect for these things to be more little bit more rampant in the future.

[electronicash]

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

[Mahanton]

We can always have a choice because you can differentiate a gamer and a trader but we cant remove the possibilities that those gamers could really possibly turn out to be gamblers if their
interest would turn to gambling but those are just serving as side dish or an option so its not that an intention but rather as a option for users to take and just like what others been saying
no one is forcing you to play gambling and its someones choice to do so, and i dont see anything wrong because if you do have some money to spend then why not?
As long you are aware with your finances then it should be fine.

[Luzin]

Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Basically, the age of children is the age of play. They have the instinct to find and solve challenges in a game. They are purely in pursuit of victory. This is for normal children. But if they have been taught from a young age to win money from a game of course this is not right. We also have to be wise for this problem there is a certain time that we can use to introduce it.

[Lorence.xD]

Playing is much better than gambling because you only waste your time there unlike in gambling where it's not just time but also your money that's being wasted. Anytime of the day, I would choose playing out of the two. Teaching children to gamble is irresponsible AF, as an adult you have to be smart about it and you have to be a good example for the children because they are the next generation.

[goinmerry]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I don't found that feature going too far. And may I know what other MMORPG that has in-game gambling? I think only a few.

Regardless, as the game evolves, the players also evolve whether they are from the old and new generations.

Not seeing that as a big deal though for young ones. They will surely just adapt and adjust to that feature. Gambling concerns, I doubt these young generations will be hooked up to the gambling as for sure, the gameplay is more important than to gamble and risk money to get acquired those high tier items.

[stadus]

For me I'm more comfortable in gambling, I mean I let others play and I bet on them, that's my definition. I am not a gamer so I don't play games, but despite gambling only, I still exert a lot of effort and give time to analyze a certain game or fight before I place any bet, so it's still a complicated job if you are looking for success.

[Oasisman]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

These type of in-game betting is very common to every mmorpg. But the Vegas Fallout caravan game is just too obvious that they're mimicking a casino type of gambling experience inside the game.
It actually didn't went too far, they're just adding some extra twist in-game base on their target market. So, the game isn't suitable for underage players.

Most common types of betting in online games is lottery, PvP betting, and Guild wars. When there is betting involved, that's basically a gambling.

[mu_enrico]

Nothing wrong with gambling mini-games as long as the main/parent game has at least 17+ (Mature) rating just like GTA 5. However, the problem is many teens can buy/install the game even though they are not yet in the eligible age bracket. This is a problem for video games industry in a whole, not just about gambling mini-games.

Actually games with simulated gambling etc. would fall into 18+ (Adults Only) bracket, therefore if the ESRB and the company are honest with the rating, I don't think it's a problem from the provider side. It's like when a casino asks you if you are 18+, but you are only 13. It's not the casino's fault IMO.

[dimonstration]

Playing is much better than gambling because you only waste your time there unlike in gambling where it's not just time but also your money that's being wasted. Anytime of the day, I would choose playing out of the two. Teaching children to gamble is irresponsible AF, as an adult you have to be smart about it and you have to be a good example for the children because they are the next generation.

In gambling it's not just our time we waste but also our money. Playing is fine as long as we enjoy it and we know we have time to spare. But as we age we realised it's better to get money that's why other were into gambling even it is risky. It will be better if we will be able to find a job we enjoy the most like what others are doing now in blogging or live streaming.

[Yamifoud]

I never play that I gamble, I usually bet on sports so things are easier for me. I admire other people who bet themselves as they really trust themselves to win, and I think as long as they have the skills, they'll have a good future in gambling. Playing or gambling, the main point here is we are gambling at the end of the day, so always consider the risk when doing it.

[virasog]

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

Well, video games for kids should not be converted in gambling games. Gambling games are meant for different audience and video games are for different set of people. We shouldn't mix them. Non gambling games would not require KYC because no money is involved in them.

[ralle14]

Showing the concept of gambling within video games is not that crazy though, at some point they'll get exposed in gambling anyway. There's not much you can do for underaged players because some of these games will ask for your birthdate and usually people will just put fake birthdates to play the game. Unfortunately the situation is kind of similar to crypto casinos but on the other hand buying bitcoin adds another layer of KYC as most exchanges require KYC nowadays.

[Vaskiy]

What's the need of mixing gambling with the underaged games. Even now without any form of gambling into the games, young generation is much into PUBG and few other games like freefire. When things get mixed with gambling the outcome will be more dangerous to the young generation. At this age they won't know to restrict them within the line to be on the safe side.

[dbc23]

Most time we tend to neglect the fact that information on the net is accessible to all. For underaged players I feel the only effect is becoming an addict too early which could still happen to an advanced person or some one who is qualified to play. But for the underaged player one can't stop them from exploring or shurfing the net. All that can be done is constant coaching and guidiance on how to control their quest to help prevent been addicted

[aysg76]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

The gaming community is enormous and we all like to play games and if this is mixed with gambling experience then it could provide a separate experience to gamblers and players and it is type of fun also like I remember when I was kid playing games on desktop was fun that could not be matched with any other thing in the world and surely now we are in gambling we can also have gambling related games but they should be age restricted so children don't get too much engaged in such games.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game

In a game there must be a gambling system like that its part of their bussiness , especially in MMORPG and RNG system, but the main purpose is for gaming, but i think most of these games are not RMT allowed so basically its only Pay To Win feature they had. such gacha box . rolling dice, feels like a gamble but I guess that's just part of the pay to win they offer.

[semobo]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This is just the evolution of games in my opinion so the end-user needs to know or decide that whether they are gambling or playing it but I see those new implementations as a strategy to lure more players so they can make more money. And the age limit is there for every game but I bet no one is going to follow it, if there is a pop up which are are you over 18? then everyone is going to click 'yes'.

[goinmerry]

When things get mixed with gambling the outcome will be more dangerous to the young generation. At this age they won't know to restrict them within the line to be on the safe side.

Regardless, these young ones will still be exposed to gambling.

Putting an in-game gambling for the types of MMORPG games is not new as it's no difference when purchasing a VIP membership or in-game currency.

It will be a Pay to Win system and the majority of casual gamers aren't into that. Only whales of the game will surely bet on the gambling feature so it doesn't actually harm the young generations.

[Fortify]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

There is a line that you missed which has been integrated more and more in recent times, as payment abilities have caught up - microtransactions. Personally I find basic card games or virtual slots to be extremely unappealing, the only thrill you could possibly get from them is if they rewarded you with money after a bet. Modern videogames are hyper immersive environments however, even tricking the mind into hardcore adrenaline pumping because the graphics become so realistic. Microtransactions are the real hazard to young people as it can introduce them to paying for virtual trash, numbers in a database connected with some fancy artwork that will vanish as the game ages.

[Fatunad]

When things get mixed with gambling the outcome will be more dangerous to the young generation. At this age they won't know to restrict them within the line to be on the safe side.

Regardless, these young ones will still be exposed to gambling.

Putting an in-game gambling for the types of MMORPG games is not new as it's no difference when purchasing a VIP membership or in-game currency.

It will be a Pay to Win system and the majority of casual gamers aren't into that. Only whales of the game will surely bet on the gambling feature so it doesn't actually harm the young generations.

True, this had been existing for a while now because there are scenarios on where there's some spin a wheel option for you to take some possible good bonuses or items in the game
which simply a gamble in the sense that you would really be putting up money just for that specific chance to get the item but honestly it is still throwing off your money into something
which it isnt guaranteed but the whole concept was really just similar to gambling and you are right that young ones or those old fellas are already exposed to gambling
but in the sense or way of gaming but they arent aware on that.

[STT]

Gambling without money is normal, its only the money based risk which is a legal issue to any extent I think.   Gambling in games is already a thing due to loot drops and case opens and so on, as these are payable for money then its already a thing for quite some time now.   This not a small industry, I think it amounts to billions now and explains a large part of why free to play games are mainstream major titles now and the companies retailing them are valued as some of the largest companies on the planet.

[Slow death]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

children should stay away from anything that allows them to earn money playing because the chances of them becoming addicted, prostituting, stealing, killing for money is too high. most people, because of lack of attention when they were children, have become adults with inappropriate behaviors. I am in favor of restricting games of chance to children as much as possible, we don't want to have more addicted people out there, the disaster that addiction brings is something most of the time irreversible

And the age limit is there for every game but I bet no one is going to follow it, if there is a pop up which are are you over 18? then everyone is going to click 'yes'.

worse is that there are many 18 year olds who still need to mature and have responsibilities and when they are exposed to things like gambling they lose in the world of addiction

[crzy]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Video games are fun to play but I doubt gamblers will spend too much time on this since many prefer an easy game to win like on slots game, roulette and card game but with regards to a video games, a serious one will be the one to adopt and some will just ignore it. Though the idea is great, you just have to know who is your target market and do necessary promotions to attract gamers and gamblers at the same time.

[just_Alice]

Generally, I think this is a good combination, but of course, it should be noted that this kind of games tend to be even more addictive, so it would be best if there were options for players whether they want the gambling feature implemented or not. The same goes for underaged players - at least there should be a warning sign or some sort of permission request.

But it's strictly the addiction part that concerns me here. If we're talking about the involvement of money in the gaming industry, it wouldn't be fair to blame the gambling part here, because, let's face it, nowadays almost ALL games, even the harmless ones designed for kids, involve money.
It's not necessary, but you always get these attractive propositions to pay for some sort of coins, equipping, or whatever, depends on the game you're playing, in order to advance.

[harizen]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I consider myself a gamer but as far as my knowledge is a concerned, I don't see yet an MMORPG or any likes that has a real gambling feature such as a casino so I can't start an argument or discussion about it.

In the game Fallout: New Vegas, the gambling purpose is intentional at this Fallout series. We won't see such a feature on the usual MMORPG.

My bottom line, for now, I doubt we will see a usual MMORPG that will implement a gambling with real money. But you know, they are already profiting from their own gacha system on which can be compared now as doing gambling since it needs money to purchase those credits.

[passwordnow]

Not that far. AFAIK, there are games like GTA that have an in-game casino mission and we all knew the success that the franchise of this game. But it's a good idea for those matured content and theme games to have in-game casinos that would give in-game items and if they can, it should be in crypto for easier access and faster transfers. I think MMORPGs can easily have it and IIRC, I've played one of it but it's not a common game. And this feature is the one that's being done by those Dapps and blockchain games.

[gagux123]

Look, this is an interesting question, but I'm a little doubtful, maybe I believe that KYC could be an advantage to separate people over 18 years old, and make it clear that in a given game there is the possibility of gambling.
I believe there are several factors that need to be analyzed

[DoublerHunter]

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There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Video games are fun to play but I doubt gamblers will spend too much time on this since many prefer an easy game to win like on slots game, roulette and card game but with regards to a video games, a serious one will be the one to adopt and some will just ignore it. Though the idea is great, you just have to know who is your target market and do necessary promotions to attract gamers and gamblers at the same time.

^ The perfect question is who are those your target and that is right, I even don't have an interest in this kind of game, I prefer to choose sports betting or those betting games that are based on the house edge because there is nothing for you to worry. Probably the MMORPG will start adopting BTC now and use this as payment but who knows this belongs to the revolution games someday.

[semobo]

And the age limit is there for every game but I bet no one is going to follow it, if there is a pop up which are are you over 18? then everyone is going to click 'yes'.

worse is that there are many 18 year olds who still need to mature and have responsibilities and when they are exposed to things like gambling they lose in the world of addiction

People who become very responsible in their teenage or even before that and still there are many guys out there who wants to hang out all night so its all depends on their lifestyle but over 18 is some kind of general thing since government can't evaluate each personals mental strength and allow them to gamble or not, even government is not going to care about it as long as they make revenue in the name of tax so as an individual we need to learn everything.

[Lanatsa]

And the age limit is there for every game but I bet no one is going to follow it, if there is a pop up which are are you over 18? then everyone is going to click 'yes'.

worse is that there are many 18 year olds who still need to mature and have responsibilities and when they are exposed to things like gambling they lose in the world of addiction

People who become very responsible in their teenage or even before that and still there are many guys out there who wants to hang out all night so its all depends on their lifestyle but over 18 is some kind of general thing since government can't evaluate each personals mental strength and allow them to gamble or not, even government is not going to care about it as long as they make revenue in the name of tax so as an individual we need to learn everything.

We would know sort of things as we do grow older and be aware and that would really be varying on someones experience in life  and its indeed differs on each personal mental strength on dealing up into something specially with gambling-like activities but when you are just young and not being aware then its most likely you would be ignoring it.

Its been already in ages that those gambling similar activity in online games or mmropgs is there ex. rolling roulettes or even showing off some random cards for items
and you've been paying for it.

Its a personal choice neither you do get involved with that or not.

[Darker45]

If there is no money involved or some kind of token or chip representing money, I think this doesn't fall under gambling in its strict sense. Underage kids are not prohibited to play roulette, blackjack, lotteries, and other games usually played with a wager or are closely attached to gambling. For as long as it is not played in gambling houses, casinos, or online gambling platforms and there's no money involved, I guess it is not illegal.

If these games are played with certain game items as prizes, I don't think it is already gambling. It is merely playing.

[virasisog]

It's not an issue I guess if the player is going to be honest about it's age, I mean only players that's age is 18 are the only ones who can access the gambling part of the game, they could ask for KYC verification for that part of the game to make sure that no underage are playing gambling instead of just MMORPG.

Adding gambling on a certain game means that they want to increase their revenue, simple as that, or they don't have the budget for another domain or team creating the gambling games alone.

Most players of course minor ignore this age restriction warning since all you need to do is to press that ypu are above 18 years of age. I am not seeing any issues here well it is up for minors' guardians to check their kids what kind of games they play.

[traderethereum]

It's not an issue I guess if the player is going to be honest about it's age, I mean only players that's age is 18 are the only ones who can access the gambling part of the game, they could ask for KYC verification for that part of the game to make sure that no underage are playing gambling instead of just MMORPG.

Adding gambling on a certain game means that they want to increase their revenue, simple as that, or they don't have the budget for another domain or team creating the gambling games alone.

Most players of course minor ignore this age restriction warning since all you need to do is to press that ypu are above 18 years of age. I am not seeing any issues here well it is up for minors' guardians to check their kids what kind of games they play.

Those kids will not try to access a gambling site if they have someone who will guard them, but I am not sure that guardians can always beside that kids since the kids nowadays are very smart to hide their activities while they use their mobile phones.
The kids can come to the gambling site by coincidence and do not even know if that is a gambling game site but they found many games they can try.
Even if that site needs KYC, the kids can solve it by borrowing adult identity and write it without a problem.
I prefer just to play the games than gambling because the risk of gambling will be there and I do not think that people can accept the risk, especially if they already made a mistake.

[imstillthebest]

this was not new tho but some games before already have lotteries and some has other forms of gambling .
 i heard there is also one in gta v where you can play in a casino but this is not going to far as long as there is no real money involved .
every player will still consider this as a video game and not more of a gambling because the story of the game does not totally rely on it

[hahay]

Although the videogame includes games like a casino or other types of bets, but when it doesn't involve real money then I don't think it can be called gambling. It's different if it involves real money which of course is gambling even if it's done in any videogame that provides it, I personally in the past sometimes did gambling in videogames but for now I think things like this would be better to leave but it depends on individual.

[acroman08]

What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

VERY BAD!!! loot boxes or other in-game game of chance (like Gacha) that gives considerable rewards can be addictive. I remember there was a discussion(I am not sure if I read it here in the forum or read it in an article) regarding the danger of Loot boxes/game of chance inside the game and how it can be addictive and how it should be restricted to underage gamers.

I for one became sort of addicted to in-game lottery boxes(or similar to it), although I didn't really spend money buying it I spent a lot of time farming in-game currency in order to be able to buy lottery boxes from other players. it never affected me financially in real life but it did inside the game.

if anyone was curious what game it was, the game is Ran Online. I played the game on and off until the game closed.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

If we are talking about underage gambling, that should be an adult's responsibility to stop them from doing so because what's the point of being an adult if you just let them get on with the vices this early in their life. It's not the fault of the casino that they make it look like this because they are just trying to make money too.

[BuNga_cute]

this was not new tho but some games before already have lotteries and some has other forms of gambling .
 i heard there is also one in gta v where you can play in a casino but this is not going to far as long as there is no real money involved .
every player will still consider this as a video game and not more of a gambling because the story of the game does not totally rely on it

I've found some video games have gambling in them, but as long as it doesn't involve real money it's not really a problem. Because gambling in video
games is only a complement, it is very unlikely that it will have a bad effect. Actually, old video games have had gambling elements for a long time,
and I didn't like playing gambling when I played them. Because gambling in video games is not the main thing in the story, so we will not feel like
gambling. So it shouldn't make we addicted to gambling when playing the video game, but to be safer, it does prohibit underaged players from playing
video games that are a form of gambling.

[Obito]

Although the videogame includes games like a casino or other types of bets, but when it doesn't involve real money then I don't think it can be called gambling. It's different if it involves real money which of course is gambling even if it's done in any videogame that provides it, I personally in the past sometimes did gambling in videogames but for now I think things like this would be better to leave but it depends on individual.

Even if it doesn't involve money and it creates an idea on the youth the idea of gambling, it will still be a problem because you never know the tendency of a children's curiosity when it comes to different things, and some of them take action on that curiosity. It's an adult responsibility to guide and prevent children from being introduced to gambling at a really young age.

[Wexnident]

I don't think they affect or should affect people that much? It's a feature inside the game and not really the core of what the game is about, so sooner or later, people would actually forget about it or just acknowledge it as fun. They'd acknowledge the minigame INSIDE the game as fun, and not the gambling one. I also would like to say that most players aren't really stupid imo, I'm pretty sure they understand the concept of using money vs game currency in such games.

Now as for the latter, which I think is gacha maybe? or maybe something like apex's (BR FPS game) game packs or something? They're completely optional. It's not a necessity nor is it something one should actively spend money on, but rather a free feature of the game.

[magneto]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I remember that Dragon's Tale used to be quite a popular game where actual BTCs were involved.

I personally think that this is a particular niche. Gamblers can't all be put into one single characterisation - some prefer to play traditional casino games and others like to have a little flair to what they play.

For instance, I could never get around to playing Dragon's Tale because I just wanted to play a game and bet all in first bet without having to go through the fancy storyline or whatnot. But others absolutely swear by it.

[zanezane]

If you're worried about underage children gambling or curious about gambling, you might want to be a responsible adult and supervise so you can tell them that's too early for them or that it's not good for them since it's a vice. I think there is nothing wrong with making gambling look like you're just playing, that's part of how they want to make money.

[rhomelmabini]

I think that underaged players are more at risk to become addicted to gambling and to gaming than adult players. There need to be more strict regulations for games with a lot of underage players. There is a reason why most casinos only allow people above 18 to enter and gamble. The same needs to be done with gaming. All these loot boxes and kind of roulette games where you don't win money, but skins instead, shouldn't be allowed to be played by minors. Once hooked on gambling at a young age you will likely never be  able to enjoy it later again.

I tend to disagree, I guess adults are more prone on being an addict to gambling rather than this underage gamblers or players. This underage gamblers has no monetary capacity to gamble over and over again if they got out of stash. Better to ground them over what they do, what to give them especially over money matters and restrict them over what they do on mobile and PC gaming.

[dothebeats]

The thing is, the government would likely want to block access to minors on games with some elements of gambling embedded on it. It's the best move, though I'm pretty sure minors would find a way to play the game especially if they are really into it. In order to prevent minors on being exposed to gambling, be better parents and supervise their playtime, or explain to them the possible consequences of gambling at an early age without being too harsh on them or too rude on them.

Games with some gambling elements would be hard to prevent honestly. GTA V alone is a huge game with loads of gambling references, elements, and features, and that game is being played by lots of minors for sure yet the government doesn't do anything about its existence.

[Smartprofit]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This is a very dangerous trend.  

Children do not distinguish between play and real life.  Adults too.  The skills that people learn in games, they automatically apply in life.  If you are planning to raise a world poker champion, then it makes sense to give him the opportunity to play a game with a built-in poker championship.  

This will be very helpful.  

However, if you do not want your children to gamble, then such games should be avoided.

[ralle14]

Now as for the latter, which I think is gacha maybe? or maybe something like apex's (BR FPS game) game packs or something? They're completely optional. It's not a necessity nor is it something one should actively spend money on, but rather a free feature of the game.

Even though it's not necessary I think the overall issue is there are games that encourages you to spend money whether it's pay to win or not and the distribution of these cosmetics/items is very similar to gambling. On top of this there are platforms that lets you sell these items for real money even though it's not allowed people still find ways given that the game is very popular. I agree on the first part of what you said though it's not that bad when it's just play money and for now it pretty much depends on how the parents handle it.

[qwertyup23]

While the idea is creative, this may pose potential problems with existing laws regarding gambling as it exposes such to minors.

Remember that most MMORPGs have a player-base composing of minors to adults. Implementing an in-game gambling system within the game would be contrary to law since minors would be involved in them at an early age. This is also the reason on why most games have problems with the "loot box" system where some laws force these game developers to publish the rates of acquiring rare-legendary items as it is concealed in the form of gambling.

[alegotardo]

[...] Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I believe this is a one-way street at games... buying items, upgrading, selling, etc.
Most games have a very strict policy regarding blocking the game or certain functions according to the age of the players, but everyone knows how easy it's to circumvent this control even because the creators themselves want to make the entry of players as easy as possible and of the money too.

I also see it as worrying, as the younger the person is, the more likely they are to fall into addiction and have more serious consequences for it.

[carlfebz2]

While the idea is creative, this may pose potential problems with existing laws regarding gambling as it exposes such to minors.

Remember that most MMORPGs have a player-base composing of minors to adults. Implementing an in-game gambling system within the game would be contrary to law since minors would be involved in them at an early age. This is also the reason on why most games have problems with the "loot box" system where some laws force these game developers to publish the rates of acquiring rare-legendary items as it is concealed in the form of gambling.

This had long existed but i never see any issues or events that government or any about legal aspects that do really touched out about gambling like activities on online games.

This is part of the business on where those companies would really be giving out some option for people or players to get involved even on the sense it is similar to betting

and also its up to someones choice whether they would purchase up something or not, no one is been forced to do so.

[Johnyz]

While the idea is creative, this may pose potential problems with existing laws regarding gambling as it exposes such to minors.

Remember that most MMORPGs have a player-base composing of minors to adults. Implementing an in-game gambling system within the game would be contrary to law since minors would be involved in them at an early age. This is also the reason on why most games have problems with the "loot box" system where some laws force these game developers to publish the rates of acquiring rare-legendary items as it is concealed in the form of gambling.

This is also my concern when minors are not allowed to gamble on any site despite of being anonymous but once you’ve violate this, bigger problem will come to you. Better to focus on gambling itself, it is profitable and many crypto users are into gambling than to gaming, you have to consider the rules and regulations on most of of the country including your origin to avoid law suit.

[South Park]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

As long as you are allowed to only use in-game currency and not real money then I do not see anything wrong with it, after all when it comes to RPGs and their many variations if you kill a boss and you do not like the drop and then kill it again to try to get what you want then you are in a way gambling but instead of using in-game currency you are using your time to get the item you want, but as soon as those games allow you to spend real money to try to get those items then the game transforms itself in a pay-to-win game and it becomes a real gambling game which should be regulated as any other casino.

[Cling18]

If it has a big risk for the younger generation then the developers should ask for KYC. We aren't sure if underage players would be honest about their age and it might only lead them to gambling addiction which will surely affect their lives negatively if they couldn't handle it well. Developers should consider this possible scenario since most players are underage these days.

[KTChampions]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This is an old problem - just drive "lootbox gambling" into Google and you will see that this has been discussed for a long time and even at the legislative level, different countries have resolved this issue in different ways. In some countries, this is regarded as pure gambling and, accordingly, age restrictions apply to games in which it is.

[stomachgrowls]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This is an old problem - just drive "lootbox gambling" into Google and you will see that this has been discussed for a long time and even at the legislative level, different countries have resolved this issue in different ways. In some countries, this is regarded as pure gambling and, accordingly, age restrictions apply to games in which it is.

And they had been banned on other places in the world.
https://screenrant.com/lootbox-gambling-microtransactions-illegal-japan-china-belgium-netherlands/
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/12/loot-boxes-in-games-are-gambling-and-should-be-banned-for-kids-say-uk-mps/

every country does had indeed laws against these loot boxes and aside those online engagement with playing games attached with gambling
and this one is totally on point and physical so its no surprise about such decisions.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think that the effects on the players are usually diverse, there are many who seek to get out of the monotony, in fact this type of game within another game in my opinion causes much more concentration and makes the player develop more strategy and continue to another level , There are many players who enter among them minors, it is difficult to control it, but I think that if a game becomes more complicated, it implies that they must try harder to win, I think it would serve a lot for players who are bored with the routine. I think the combination of both makes it more interesting, because strategy and randomness play a much stronger role.

[uneng]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I started seeing this feature in online games about ten years ago from on. It was a strategy used by these games to increase their receipt besides selling traditional membership packages (cosmetic items were also introduced on those times). There is the traditional wheel of fortune which you need to buy spins with real money or win one or few spins daily for login into the game. This was adopted by several online games.
Some prizes were common items you could acquire anytime in the game, but others were rare and offered for limited time, so people felt under pressure to buy those spins before the time ran out.

However, I've never seen these games involving real money prizes. They get your money, but offer only virtual rewards to you. For me that isn't interesting for this reason. Now blockchain mmorpgs will change this scenario and make things interesting for both sides: developers and players.

[Shasha80]

If it has a big risk for the younger generation then the developers should ask for KYC. We aren't sure if underage players would be honest about their age and it might only lead them to gambling addiction which will surely affect their lives negatively if they couldn't handle it well. Developers should consider this possible scenario since most players are underage these days.

Underage players are now getting smarter to access gambling sites that do not allow them to access, but they are very difficult to control.
Unfortunately, gambling sites are now very easy to access by underage players, they simply claim to be over 18 years old. I agree that this
will jeopardize the future of the younger generation, so in the end there must be firmness on gambling sites to enforce KYC. The problem is
that there are some gambling sites that don't care about this problem, they only think about profits with the many players who join.
So the role of the government is needed by making rules, so that gambling sites are required to apply KYC,  this is all to protect the future of
the younger generation.

[traderethereum]

I think that the effects on the players are usually diverse, there are many who seek to get out of the monotony, in fact this type of game within another game in my opinion causes much more concentration and makes the player develop more strategy and continue to another level , There are many players who enter among them minors, it is difficult to control it, but I think that if a game becomes more complicated, it implies that they must try harder to win, I think it would serve a lot for players who are bored with the routine. I think the combination of both makes it more interesting, because strategy and randomness play a much stronger role.

It will be okay if they want to temporarily get out of the monotony by playing the game and returning to their routine with a fresh mind.
But if they become deeper and only playing or search for the other games, that will be a problem for them, especially for teenagers who still need guidance from the adult.
When they enjoy the game, it will be hard to tell them that it is time to stop playing and do something else because they will continue and say I need 5 minutes more and then I will stop it.

[Betwrong]

~
There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable.

They surely might, and for lots of reasons. I think there should be some kind of a warning, somewhere among those lines



there should be something like "Exposure to Gambling" or something.

Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Same as with porn and violence, the effect on young players can be pretty bad. People should be warned about possible risks.

[peter0425]

If it has a big risk for the younger generation then the developers should ask for KYC. We aren't sure if underage players would be honest about their age and it might only lead them to gambling addiction which will surely affect their lives negatively if they couldn't handle it well. Developers should consider this possible scenario since most players are underage these days.

Agreed on that mate, Younger generation are so wild that they can even make decisions ahead of time .

Gambling is basically for adult and they must not get involved until they are in the right age.

If you're worried about underage children gambling or curious about gambling, you might want to be a responsible adult and supervise so you can tell them that's too early for them or that it's not good for them since it's a vice. I think there is nothing wrong with making gambling look like you're just playing, that's part of how they want to make money.

Nowadays it is really hard to maintain our childrens behavior and activities because of the internet.

[Fesatmas]

If the makers include an option for those over the age of 18+ it can minimize that those at that age cannot play for adults. because after all, when the game's presentation does not match the portion, it will have a very bad impact.

Of course, the maker does not want to be at a loss. I think that every player can choose a game based on certain age criteria.

[KTChampions]

This is an old problem - just drive "lootbox gambling" into Google and you will see that this has been discussed for a long time and even at the legislative level, different countries have resolved this issue in different ways. In some countries, this is regarded as pure gambling and, accordingly, age restrictions apply to games in which it is.

And they had been banned on other places in the world.
https://screenrant.com/lootbox-gambling-microtransactions-illegal-japan-china-belgium-netherlands/
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/12/loot-boxes-in-games-are-gambling-and-should-be-banned-for-kids-say-uk-mps/

every country does had indeed laws against these loot boxes and aside those online engagement with playing games attached with gambling
and this one is totally on point and physical so its no surprise about such decisions.

As far as I know, there are many countries where this is more lenient. In fact, this is a difficult question, and if at one end of the spectrum everything is clear - lootboxing is gambling, then at the other end everything is very blurry - for example, is it possible to consider sharpening knives in Lineage or similar mechanics of a game with a random component as gambling.

[AicecreaME]

If it has a big risk for the younger generation then the developers should ask for KYC. We aren't sure if underage players would be honest about their age and it might only lead them to gambling addiction which will surely affect their lives negatively if they couldn't handle it well. Developers should consider this possible scenario since most players are underage these days.

Underage players are now getting smarter to access gambling sites that do not allow them to access, but they are very difficult to control.
Unfortunately, gambling sites are now very easy to access by underage players, they simply claim to be over 18 years old. I agree that this
will jeopardize the future of the younger generation, so in the end there must be firmness on gambling sites to enforce KYC. The problem is
that there are some gambling sites that don't care about this problem, they only think about profits with the many players who join.
So the role of the government is needed by making rules, so that gambling sites are required to apply KYC,  this is all to protect the future of
the younger generation.

Well, I agree when you said that kids nowadays are getting smarter, but it's not gambling site fault's if there are kids playing on their site, because in the first place, parents are the one who is responsible on monitoring their child's activities in the internet, besides, even if they do KYC, kids might stole their parent's ID to submit it to be verified, easy as that.

There are options in your internet service provider that bans certain sites that is harmful for your child, that way, you coud monitor everything they do.

[imstillthebest]

this was not new tho but some games before already have lotteries and some has other forms of gambling .
 i heard there is also one in gta v where you can play in a casino but this is not going to far as long as there is no real money involved .
every player will still consider this as a video game and not more of a gambling because the story of the game does not totally rely on it

I've found some video games have gambling in them, but as long as it doesn't involve real money it's not really a problem. Because gambling in video
games is only a complement, it is very unlikely that it will have a bad effect. Actually, old video games have had gambling elements for a long time,
and I didn't like playing gambling when I played them. Because gambling in video games is not the main thing in the story, so we will not feel like
gambling. So it shouldn't make we addicted to gambling when playing the video game, but to be safer, it does prohibit underaged players from playing
video games that are a form of gambling.

there are like a mini game . On some games I remember it was Pokemon ,
 it has a slot machine game in there where you can double your money and you can redeem this money with a specific type of Pokemon but there are still different ways to earn money in the game but games like Pokemon are not restricted to younger age people because the battle scenes and game play are not violent .

[ShowOff]

The effect of all kinds of games is addiction. However, games that offer gambling in them may have a negative impact on minors. Gambling should limit the age of its players to an average of 18+ which may be different for each game. It is feared that children who are exposed to gambling will experience many problem when they are still growing. When their minds are too focused on gaming and gambling then it will interfere with their growth and mindset. In this case, I think every child under the age of 18 still need parental supervision in choosing the game he likes.

[bitzizzix]

The effect of all kinds of games is addiction. However, games that offer gambling in them may have a negative impact on minors. Gambling should limit the age of its players to an average of 18+ which may be different for each game. It is feared that children who are exposed to gambling will experience many problem when they are still growing. When their minds are too focused on gaming and gambling then it will interfere with their growth and mindset. In this case, I think every child under the age of 18 still need parental supervision in choosing the game he likes.

Yes, and the logic is that games without gambling offers or pure games can make minors addicted, especially games with gambling offers and will have a negative impact on minors and damage generations if they do and become addicts.
and other reasons gambling games can have a huge negative impact on minors and even more so on the developing brain.

[Welsh]

The whole gaming industry integrating loot cases, which is a form of gambling on games which are rated under 18 years old doesn't sit right with me. There's been multiple stories of kids taking their parents credit card without them knowing it, and using it to buy them. Not only that, even if they do have their parents guidance, its still teaching your kids the thrill of gambling at a young age. I've never been a fan of it, and I believe its absolutely ridiculous that they are allowed. I'm not your typical, "don't let your kids play violent games!" type person, but gambling should be taken serious, and who knows what repercussions we will see in 10-20 years when these kids can legally gamble.  

When its a game inside a game with no real money, and its using in game money, then that's not that bad compared to the loot box industry which uses real money, with very small odds of actually winning anything. I mean, games like Fifa have been doing it for quite a few years now, and there are no repercussions worldwide, only certain countries have banned the use.

[molsewid]

The effect of all kinds of games is addiction. However, games that offer gambling in them may have a negative impact on minors. Gambling should limit the age of its players to an average of 18+ which may be different for each game. It is feared that children who are exposed to gambling will experience many problem when they are still growing. When their minds are too focused on gaming and gambling then it will interfere with their growth and mindset. In this case, I think every child under the age of 18 still need parental supervision in choosing the game he likes.

I can say that most of the minor children today were being so engaged in an online games and the addiction can be pictured out. However it is much more disturbing knowing that a minor could possibly engaged or worst develop a gambling addiction and this is possibly be happen because online gambling today can be easily accessed and I just hope that it has a programmed which has a age requiring that wouldn't allow minor to access it. Children below 18 really needs a parental guidance and should be spared from the addiction.

[LittleBitFunny]

The effect of all kinds of games is addiction. However, games that offer gambling in them may have a negative impact on minors. Gambling should limit the age of its players to an average of 18+ which may be different for each game. It is feared that children who are exposed to gambling will experience many problem when they are still growing. When their minds are too focused on gaming and gambling then it will interfere with their growth and mindset. In this case, I think every child under the age of 18 still need parental supervision in choosing the game he likes.

I can say that most of the minor children today were being so engaged in an online games and the addiction can be pictured out. However it is much more disturbing knowing that a minor could possibly engaged or worst develop a gambling addiction and this is possibly be happen because online gambling today can be easily accessed and I just hope that it has a programmed which has a age requiring that wouldn't allow minor to access it. Children below 18 really needs a parental guidance and should be spared from the addiction.

A 18-year-old boy can be self-sufficient, we can't call him a child. However, gambling websites need to make some changes. Those under the age of 18 or 20 will not be able to gamble more than a certain amount. We cannot forbid them to gamble under the age of 18. Because gambling is legal in many countries. According to the rules, all citizens can do it.

[pawanjain]

That is one nice way to let people gamble from the game itself. I have never seen such type of games where one could gamble within the game.
The least that I saw was in GTA but I would hardly consider that as gambling. If there are games that would allow users to do real gambling then I would like to know which those games are.
I wonder how the licensing of such games would work since casino sites have to declare their activities and get a legal license to operate such gambling sites.

[Shasha80]

If it has a big risk for the younger generation then the developers should ask for KYC. We aren't sure if underage players would be honest about their age and it might only lead them to gambling addiction which will surely affect their lives negatively if they couldn't handle it well. Developers should consider this possible scenario since most players are underage these days.

Underage players are now getting smarter to access gambling sites that do not allow them to access, but they are very difficult to control.
Unfortunately, gambling sites are now very easy to access by underage players, they simply claim to be over 18 years old. I agree that this
will jeopardize the future of the younger generation, so in the end there must be firmness on gambling sites to enforce KYC. The problem is
that there are some gambling sites that don't care about this problem, they only think about profits with the many players who join.
So the role of the government is needed by making rules, so that gambling sites are required to apply KYC,  this is all to protect the future of
the younger generation.

Well, I agree when you said that kids nowadays are getting smarter, but it's not gambling site fault's if there are kids playing on their site, because in the first place, parents are the one who is responsible on monitoring their child's activities in the internet, besides, even if they do KYC, kids might stole their parent's ID to submit it to be verified, easy as that.

There are options in your internet service provider that bans certain sites that is harmful for your child, that way, you coud monitor everything they do.

All kids are still the responsibility of their parents, but the problem now is that many parents are also busy with their work. Moreover, some parents
don't even keep up with technological advances, so parents find it difficult to control their children when accessing the internet. Indeed, applying
KYC does not guarantee 100% of kids cannot access the gambling site, kids can steal the identity of their parents or borrow someone else's identity.
In the end, none of the solutions to prevent kids from accessing gambling sites are perfect. Maybe parents provide education about gambling or sex
from an early age to children. so children can understand the dangers of accessing porn and gambling sites.

[Rengga Jati]

There may be some people who start gambling from playing.
We know that playing games is very fun and many people are being attracted, desired to always play games, moreover those who are addicted.
And nowadays, many young ages or kids are playing any games, during this pandemic, they can hold mobile phone fully daily.

And about gambling, yeah, we cannot avoid that we can find out many gambling advertisement of gambling in the video games. And mostly they re all about attracting people to play gambling or betting with the high chance of winning, a lottery, and many more adv for gambling. And this, exactly, becomes one of the reasons why people are starting to gambliong.

For adults, it may be usual and common enough, moreover we should have our self-management in gambling. However for kids? Well, only limited kids can be. But, if they re interested in gambling, I don't think that they can play well or manage well thei funds, snd psychology. I know this is not a godo start for kids playing gambling.

[Wexnident]

Even though it's not necessary I think the overall issue is there are games that encourages you to spend money whether it's pay to win or not and the distribution of these cosmetics/items is very similar to gambling. On top of this there are platforms that lets you sell these items for real money even though it's not allowed people still find ways given that the game is very popular. I agree on the first part of what you said though it's not that bad when it's just play money and for now it pretty much depends on how the parents handle it.

Well ngl, what you said have some truth in them. Having cosmetics vs not having them really makes a difference, but it still depends on how the mentality of a person works. I myself don't really care (No, im lying,  I care about cosmetics in SOME games), but I have money anyway. As for kids, well, it's just down to parent management and probably system control and whatnot. Maybe set up some kind of limit or something, or just well, not let your kids know your bank/card details you know? If it's their money earned somewhere then let them spend it, it's their money anyway. Me spending as a kid like that made me grow up and learn how to properly manage my finance ngl.

[Rajamuda]

I also knew about this, this related to the kids, video games and games that smelled like gambling should really be separated, for those who are underage would be more familiar with gambling's smells after playing longer. Maybe it would be better if parents should be able to control the activities of their kids, who currently have formal activities on the internet or playing online games.

[hahay]

I also knew about this, this related to the kids, video games and games that smelled like gambling should really be separated, for those who are underage would be more familiar with gambling's smells after playing longer. Maybe it would be better if parents should be able to control the activities of their kids, who currently have formal activities on the internet or playing online games.

Even though they only play videogames but usually, they and their friends can make games that don't have an element of gambling but they will still be able to make gambling from the games they play in the videogame itself. So in this case we can say if they will do according to what they find fun, because playing and gambling in that way can be very fun because they do it by mutual agreement too.

[barota]

billions are spent on the online gambling industry every year. from poker to blackjack to sports bets and more normally, adults do not like to play  but there are who like playing game just for fun , and this is good sometime because gambling and risk money in the recent years and specially in the internet the games become a part of gambling , and this is the big problem for this reason people should avoid gambling and playing all the time

[btc78]

I'm not really aware of the new games right now that you can play gambling games on it, if that's the case then there should be an age restriction on who are the users or player of this games but I don't think people would be able to stop young people to play gambling games since most of our gambling games today can be easily be accessed by anyone.

So it is still parents awareness and guidance for this not to come along the youngsters way because if does then we will be facing a big problem here.
We knew how hard headed our children nowadays and with this type of games that imposes gambling also?
then we must be there all the time for them to be advised and treat rightfully .
I will never let my Son play such games and i will do anything before this happens.

[KTChampions]

There may be some people who start gambling from playing.
We know that playing games is very fun and many people are being attracted, desired to always play games, moreover those who are addicted.
And nowadays, many young ages or kids are playing any games, during this pandemic, they can hold mobile phone fully daily.

And about gambling, yeah, we cannot avoid that we can find out many gambling advertisement of gambling in the video games. And mostly they re all about attracting people to play gambling or betting with the high chance of winning, a lottery, and many more adv for gambling. And this, exactly, becomes one of the reasons why people are starting to gambliong.

For adults, it may be usual and common enough, moreover we should have our self-management in gambling. However for kids? Well, only limited kids can be. But, if they re interested in gambling, I don't think that they can play well or manage well thei funds, snd psychology. I know this is not a godo start for kids playing gambling.

You are right, but this is a more complex issue than just gambling. In the modern world, children of all ages (I mean those who have access to the Internet) very quickly get access to adult information and opportunities. If parents do not take care of their children, then the question becomes even more acute.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I also knew about this, this related to the kids, video games and games that smelled like gambling should really be separated, for those who are underage would be more familiar with gambling's smells after playing longer. Maybe it would be better if parents should be able to control the activities of their kids, who currently have formal activities on the internet or playing online games.

Gambling in a video game is related to the income of the game developer, some games that I know like FFXIV online also have many features such as gambling, especially in rpg and mmorpg games,  these features must be exist, its part of gaming bussiness. and this is made to benefit both gamers and developers. yeah im agree with you if people underage should under his parent control.

[ipanks]

I also knew about this, this related to the kids, video games and games that smelled like gambling should really be separated, for those who are underage would be more familiar with gambling's smells after playing longer. Maybe it would be better if parents should be able to control the activities of their kids, who currently have formal activities on the internet or playing online games.

If that is related to the kids, I think we must take care of them and not give a chance to access the site, even if that site has a popular game for teenagers. We do not want our kids to start to involve in a game that is contained with gambling or similar like that because that can get in their memory and they can do that again after they grow up.

[Rengga Jati]

You are right, but this is a more complex issue than just gambling. In the modern world, children of all ages (I mean those who have access to the Internet) very quickly get access to adult information and opportunities. If parents do not take care of their children, then the question becomes even more acute.

Exactly, not only about gaming or gambling but also other negative effects. That is why the role of parents is very important, moreover, kids are commonly not even considering the positive and negative impacts for them. the way they think mostly about what makes them happy and fun at that time.

It may be different for the kids who are professionals. i mean that he really has good and professional skills for playing games and also gambling online. Kids are not very smart and they can easily search and learn about gambling and new gaming everywhere they are.

[BITCOIN4X]

It may be different for the kids who are professionals. i mean that he really has good and professional skills for playing games and also gambling online. Kids are not very smart and they can easily search and learn about gambling and new gaming everywhere they are.

Basically children should be kept away from gambling and need parental guidance for that. I don't think children will be allowed to gamble in physical casino or online gambling site because there are rules that regulate the age limit for the players. However, for games that contain element of gambling, this will be difficult to prevent because age restriction are rare and can be played anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Children are never good if they get to know too soon and become addicted to gambling, it can change their behavior for the worse while they only get money from their parent.

[Furious 7]

It may be different for the kids who are professionals. i mean that he really has good and professional skills for playing games and also gambling online. Kids are not very smart and they can easily search and learn about gambling and new gaming everywhere they are.

Basically children should be kept away from gambling and need parental guidance for that. I don't think children will be allowed to gamble in physical casino or online gambling site because there are rules that regulate the age limit for the players. However, for games that contain element of gambling, this will be difficult to prevent because age restriction are rare and can be played anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Children are never good if they get to know too soon and become addicted to gambling, it can change their behavior for the worse while they only get money from their parent.

As long as you are under the age of 18, you are not allowed to gamble physically or online. For me, there are already rules and if they are violated, there will always be an addiction that cannot be controlled.
If you play this online game there is no limit, I see that even those under 10 years old are now holding gadgets and playing with other friends, let's call it (free fire) but on the other hand it will also have a bad impact because a child that size should learn more active, but with online games being one of the factors where problems exist and easy internet access of course it will be easier for elements to lead to gambling later.

[john_nautica]

It may be different for the kids who are professionals. i mean that he really has good and professional skills for playing games and also gambling online. Kids are not very smart and they can easily search and learn about gambling and new gaming everywhere they are.

Basically children should be kept away from gambling and need parental guidance for that. I don't think children will be allowed to gamble in physical casino or online gambling site because there are rules that regulate the age limit for the players. However, for games that contain element of gambling, this will be difficult to prevent because age restriction are rare and can be played anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Children are never good if they get to know too soon and become addicted to gambling, it can change their behavior for the worse while they only get money from their parent.

As long as you are under the age of 18, you are not allowed to gamble physically or online. For me, there are already rules and if they are violated, there will always be an addiction that cannot be controlled.
If you play this online game there is no limit, I see that even those under 10 years old are now holding gadgets and playing with other friends, let's call it (free fire) but on the other hand it will also have a bad impact because a child that size should learn more active, but with online games being one of the factors where problems exist and easy internet access of course it will be easier for elements to lead to gambling later.

This is indeed true, especially now that children are only at home and gadgets and internet are their companion, this will most likely happen. I can also say that upon my observation, children today are more curious and can easily adapt in their environment, not to mention in exploring the digital world. If they discovered games which are deeply connected with gambling then from adaptation it is also possible for addiction to take place, not to say if parental guidance is lacking or nonexistent at all.

[danherbias07]

I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

[acquafredda]

I don't know if that is good or bad but I will share my experience. I have always enjoyed strategy games and video-games. I think they really helped me develop strategic skills that I then applied in real life situations. I have no idea what games of that sort exist today so I can't say if there are any good ones.
However, if we think about the various simulators used by F1 pilots, fighter planes etc. we can imagine how useful some games are.

[Fredomago]

I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

Same sentiments as I also have two little boys and I make it sure that every games that they are accessing online or in-play with their devices as really been scanned first before letting them,

That mental influenced will hurt you in the long run as parents,  letting kids to play those brutal games will lead them to act the same way.

In terms to your idea of MMORPG that's been added to gambling, house see that there are people who loves competing and using this venue let them to attract more players to bets.

[Lucasgabd]

I wouldnt say that playing brutal games will make people act with more violence but games definitely affect our feelings and thoughts

the moment I stopped to play counter strike was when I started to dream about it, not good.

Many parents limit the access to screens, including smartphones, to young children until at least 12 years old
I think this is a way to go and may help with their development, empathy and bonds with the world

[FatFork]

There was an article I read recently that analyzed 13 studies into the behaviors of gamers who spend on in-game loot boxes (loot boxes allow players to purchase randomized rewards for character enhancement or game progress). All but one of the studies show that there is a direct correlation between the use of loot boxes and problem gambling behaviour. Although their characteristics have raised concerns and they have grown in popularity, loot boxes still remain unregulated in many countries. However, in some countries, such as Belgium, loot boxes have been deemed gambling products and as such restricted to minors.

The leading gambling charity, GambleAware, has also called for greater regulation.
Zoë Osmond, CEO of GambleAware, said: "This research is part of GambleAware's continued commitment to protect children, adolescents and young people from gambling harms. The research has revealed that a high number of children who play video games also purchase loot boxes and we are increasingly concerned that gambling is now part of everyday life for children and young people."

Link to the whole article: https://www.begambleaware.org/news/gambleaware-publishes-new-gaming-and-gambling-research

[Mahanton]

I wouldnt say that playing brutal games will make people act with more violence but games definitely affect our feelings and thoughts

the moment I stopped to play counter strike was when I started to dream about it, not good.

Many parents limit the access to screens, including smartphones, to young children until at least 12 years old
I think this is a way to go and may help with their development, empathy and bonds with the world

In todays era? Nope, it cant really be avoided no matter how you do turn out to be a strict parent when it comes to gadgets or avoiding them on online interactions or exposure.
We are already on digital age and every corners would really be able to see those gadgets or simply having that accessbility.This is why it is more important that explaining to
them on whats the cons and limitations when it comes to things that you do get involved with.Its not bad to play nor engage on a short time but when you are already
making it as a habit and do look that it is already your main priority then its already an another story to be concerned of.

[Hippocrypto]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

[adzino]

Most people gamble to make profit. Some do it for quick gains, other do it for the adrenaline rush they get. But in the end, everyone has the same goal. To end up with profit. There are some people that gambles for pure fun. They enjoy making profit. Hence, in video games you will see some of them offering the option to gamble with virtual currency or in game currency. People can have fun playing those without risking their real bank.

As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

If you are talking about those loot boxes, then yeah. They are form of pure gambling and some countries are trying to stop those sort of gambling.

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Most of those games are age restricted. So I doubt any of those underaged players get exposed to those gambling contents.

[johhnyUA]

As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc...

Merit from me for mentioning this brilliant RPG game with a lot of gambling in it!  
That is a good example of such video game. Another - is Fallout 2 or Witcher 3, where was a lot of gambling activities in the game too.

games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable.

Some people may find undesirable anything in the game: fir girls, weapons, bloody fights and so on. In some cases, passions of different people can be contradictory. In that case, if you listening "some people" you better may not to do any video games at all.

[Kelvinid]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

[Saisher]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

The big question here is who are they targetting on this kind of concept since you mentioned underaged players, the mature gamblers who have the money to do betting and at the same time play games or underage who like to lay these kinds of games but do not have the means to do and they are likely exposed to gambling at the earliest stage, if one developer will set up something like this, he should market it to mature players, because kids should not be exposed at a very young age.

[Rengga Jati]

Basically children should be kept away from gambling and need parental guidance for that. I don't think children will be allowed to gamble in physical casino or online gambling site because there are rules that regulate the age limit for the players. However, for games that contain element of gambling, this will be difficult to prevent because age restriction are rare and can be played anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Children are never good if they get to know too soon and become addicted to gambling, it can change their behavior for the worse while they only get money from their parent.

Of course, as a parent or even as whoever we are, we will not agree that kids playing any gambling.
But in fact, we also cannot control ourselves every time. Many children right now are playing online games, moreover during this pandemic and many children also focus on their gadgets. And we don't even know exactly whether they are playing gambling or not. We can do our efforts and also attention to kids, to make them understand about this, we do it. Every kid right now is different, they are like in the new generation. Moreover, every country also has different regulations about the age restriction for playing gambling. There are some countries that allow childer at certain age playing gambling (in which in our mind, they are still children and not supposed to be a gambler). I ever make a topic about the age restriction for kids playing gambling:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230360.msg53962700#msg53962700

So far, I never support my child to play gambling or introduce to this gambling world.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Gaming and gambling is by far a way of getting under aged persons hooked up and with the effect gambling actually has on most adults, it's one of the most unlikely character to be worthy or wish on an undersaged person.  For a fact, it can mess up a child's life in ways that you can never imagine.
 Some underage youths really don't mind gambling all there savings or just to cause hope at a price and that is what gambling actually present and with the fact that, you always have the chance or gambling presents you with a way to a fortune, every fund that you get seems to be redirected toward gambling and just like that, the youths life goes in a pattern. A pattern of cash and gambling and since its gaming, you tend not to feel it and an addiction develops and spans from there.

[Saint-loup]

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

AFAIK no real money is involved in this kind of games, and I don't understand how an addiction to gambling games could happen if you're not able to wager real money. Almost all casino games are available in demo mode or playable without money somewhere, but I never heard of someone become addict of those games.

[coin-investor]

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

We should not introduce gambling to young minds but gaming is ok because they can learn a lot of skills here without money involved, but if you put gaming with money involve they will likely lose control of themselves and will find a way to fund their account, let the young enjoy the game with monetary consideration so they can develop their skill, they can learn how to gamble when they are mature enough.

[Fortify]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

From a gamer perspective I think that any perks within a game should always be kept cosmetic, as that allows people who want to spend money on gimmicks and virtual costumes to become "unique" while everyone else gets to play with all the same functionality. In fact it is a real game breaker if you're able to pay to get any sort of real advantage over your opponents. You've got games like team fortress 2 that give the rare possibility of gaining "super weapons" but they do give paid weapons some very big advantages, somehow they're able to make it work though. Even cosmetic skins can gain an aftermarket, as you see with PUBG or Counterstrike skins.

[Peanutswar]

I think they want the game more realistic so they add some casual games we usually do which is gambling, like right now if you are a gamer of GTA V they have their casino versions too I guess its a good move having an idea of what's about this kind of game, just an insight how to play because we know that GTA is a role-playing game with the same aspect of our daily lives. By that, they are having an idea and tried the game of gambling in the real world. But in a real-money not like in a game just you need is to make task just to earn money.

[michellee]

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

We should not introduce gambling to young minds but gaming is ok because they can learn a lot of skills here without money involved, but if you put gaming with money involve they will likely lose control of themselves and will find a way to fund their account, let the young enjoy the game with monetary consideration so they can develop their skill, they can learn how to gamble when they are mature enough.

Yes, you are right. We do not know the side effects, especially when they are growing up later. They can say that they do not play gambling in front of us but we do not know if they tell the truth when they are behind us. Maybe the child's learning will be faster than the adult as a child from this era will be smarter than 5-10 years ago because the internet as the media has grown fast. We can teach them to play the games without money involved and never let them think that playing the game can use the money to get more excitement.

[TheGreatPython]

Most probably, there's chances of addiction, particularly young people is capable of drowning themselves on mobile games. How much more when there's a gambling platform that used this type of betting, and yet when you're playing at least there's earning a winning profit in the long run.

AFAIK no real money is involved in this kind of games, and I don't understand how an addiction to gambling games could happen if you're not able to wager real money. Almost all casino games are available in demo mode or playable without money somewhere, but I never heard of someone become addict of those games.

You are right, if real money is not involved, chances are low of someone being addicted although almost every game allows the players to buy in-game items and when you have the ability to bet those items in return for upgrades or better items, it's sort of addicting. If I am not wrong there are people betting CS;GO skins.

This is a sensitive topic because although one shouldn't be addicted to such gambling happening inside a game but that said, it might trigger an addiction outside the game. Winning is such a feeling that once you taste winnings/free money you will get addicted to it.

[btc78]

It gonna be worse when these kinds of young minds are already engaged in gambling, that gonna be possible for early addiction.
This is not the concern because they can earn some money but they are not supposed to be exposed to this thing as gambling addiction could lead them into making illegal activities if they are at the level of addiction.

We should not introduce gambling to young minds but gaming is ok because they can learn a lot of skills here without money involved, but if you put gaming with money involve they will likely lose control of themselves and will find a way to fund their account, let the young enjoy the game with monetary consideration so they can develop their skill, they can learn how to gamble when they are mature enough.

As long as the parent is in supervision , it is ok that children will learn to play strategically , because this will help improve their mind and skills.
But once that they are being let alone ? then this will start the problem as they will surely miss the opportunity to learn and earn with good attitude.
games in internet is tricky and also very dangerous in the mind of youngsters, so best to just let them play when we are around and stops when we are not.
best also to limit the access in internet as this is what I'm doing in our house.
the children is only allowed to access the internet when needed and they will Play physically when its not available.

[KTChampions]

We should not introduce gambling to young minds but gaming is ok because they can learn a lot of skills here without money involved, but if you put gaming with money involve they will likely lose control of themselves and will find a way to fund their account, let the young enjoy the game with monetary consideration so they can develop their skill, they can learn how to gamble when they are mature enough.

In fact, even regular games contain a large gambling element. For example, if you take strategies, then a lot of development options are gambling - an early rush into the troops or into the economy. Depending on the game and balance, this can mean guaranteed victory or defeat, depending on which path the opponent has chosen. If these are tournament games with prizes, then it becomes even closer to gambling.

[Renampun]

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

I agree that is the only way to make sure that only adults are playing these games with gambling features, although not 100% foolproof at least we have a good parameter that will make sure that only adults are playing, but I don't know the chances of the players will approve to verify themselves through KYC.

You can see what happens to online casinos that require KYC, there will be some rejections...

I've read in an article that underage gambling players have increased during this pandemic, and the majority are active gamers. For parents who have children over 9 years old, you should monitor your child's online activities.

[Chato1977]

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

I agree that is the only way to make sure that only adults are playing these games with gambling features, although not 100% foolproof at least we have a good parameter that will make sure that only adults are playing, but I don't know the chances of the players will approve to verify themselves through KYC.

The problem is would adult agreed on KYC verification ?

remember that this is crypto world when we are tend to deny having KYC in Exchange and specially in Gambling sites.

With or without real money involved yet the issue is somewhat like gambling.

[South Park]

This is an old problem - just drive "lootbox gambling" into Google and you will see that this has been discussed for a long time and even at the legislative level, different countries have resolved this issue in different ways. In some countries, this is regarded as pure gambling and, accordingly, age restrictions apply to games in which it is.

And they had been banned on other places in the world.
https://screenrant.com/lootbox-gambling-microtransactions-illegal-japan-china-belgium-netherlands/
https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/12/loot-boxes-in-games-are-gambling-and-should-be-banned-for-kids-say-uk-mps/

every country does had indeed laws against these loot boxes and aside those online engagement with playing games attached with gambling
and this one is totally on point and physical so its no surprise about such decisions.

Agreed, loot boxes should be banned all around the world, if the developers of the game want to sell some extra content and items for real cash then they can do it, but when all of what you are buying is the chance of getting the item you want then you are gambling, and this is especially dangerous when the game is aimed at underage people as they simply do not have the mental maturity to actually analyze if what they are doing is right and they could lose all their money this way.

[KTChampions]

Agreed, loot boxes should be banned all around the world, if the developers of the game want to sell some extra content and items for real cash then they can do it, but when all of what you are buying is the chance of getting the item you want then you are gambling, and this is especially dangerous when the game is aimed at underage people as they simply do not have the mental maturity to actually analyze if what they are doing is right and they could lose all their money this way.

In fact, this is a difficult question and I cannot say that a ban is a better solution. If you look at the situation from the developer's point of view, the reasons for the appearance of loot boxes are clear - they cannot introduce characters or things worth $ 1000 into the game for obvious reasons - a very small number of players can afford it. Therefore, they lower the entry threshold and make a $ 10 loot box with a 1 percent chance of getting a top character or item. In theory, this will equalize the chances of all players.

[Mahanton]

Agreed, loot boxes should be banned all around the world, if the developers of the game want to sell some extra content and items for real cash then they can do it, but when all of what you are buying is the chance of getting the item you want then you are gambling, and this is especially dangerous when the game is aimed at underage people as they simply do not have the mental maturity to actually analyze if what they are doing is right and they could lose all their money this way.

In fact, this is a difficult question and I cannot say that a ban is a better solution. If you look at the situation from the developer's point of view, the reasons for the appearance of loot boxes are clear - they cannot introduce characters or things worth $ 1000 into the game for obvious reasons - a very small number of players can afford it. Therefore, they lower the entry threshold and make a $ 10 loot box with a 1 percent chance of getting a top character or item. In theory, this will equalize the chances of all players.

Depends on them because time would be the main issue on here here these dev/team arent really that patient enough on waiting for accumulating thousands of bucks for a long time
and to know that there are indeed rich kids or people who would really be buying out those loot boxes as long there is something worth in behind those.
Yes, lowering the price could give out equal chance and interest would even go higher but they've seen that more expensive one is really worth for their time and effort.
Playing computer games and other forms could really be attached to gambling depending on the integration and its been already in a while.

[KTChampions]

In fact, this is a difficult question and I cannot say that a ban is a better solution. If you look at the situation from the developer's point of view, the reasons for the appearance of loot boxes are clear - they cannot introduce characters or things worth $ 1000 into the game for obvious reasons - a very small number of players can afford it. Therefore, they lower the entry threshold and make a $ 10 loot box with a 1 percent chance of getting a top character or item. In theory, this will equalize the chances of all players.

Depends on them because time would be the main issue on here here these dev/team arent really that patient enough on waiting for accumulating thousands of bucks for a long time
and to know that there are indeed rich kids or people who would really be buying out those loot boxes as long there is something worth in behind those.
Yes, lowering the price could give out equal chance and interest would even go higher but they've seen that more expensive one is really worth for their time and effort.
Playing computer games and other forms could really be attached to gambling depending on the integration and its been already in a while.

This is not a matter of time, but a matter of market width. A very small number of players are ready to spend thousands of dollars even for super items and characters, and at the same time, a huge number of players are ready to spend a small amount in their favorite game in order to get a chance for something very good. Loot boxes allow you to combine these two communities - the most massive share of players and the most expensive items in the game.

[Betwrong]

I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

You certainly have a point there, but I see it in a bit different way. I have kids too, and from my experience it's not only gambling inside a game is what might be dangerous, but many other things, like the case with GTA that you described, for instance. The thing is that we can't dictate to game producers what games to release, so the only option we have is to not leave our kids unsupervised for a long time while they are playing. Play together with your kids and give them the right understanding of what's going on in the game.

[mindrust]

I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

You certainly have a point there, but I see it in a bit different way. I have kids too, and from my experience it's not only gambling inside a game is what might be dangerous, but many other things, like the case with GTA that you described, for instance. The thing is that we can't dictate to game producers what games to release, so the only option we have is to not leave our kids unsupervised for a long time while they are playing. Play together with your kids and give them the right understanding of what's going on in the game.

These bad stuff affects kids only when they are dumb. If you (or the school you sent your kids to) educate your kids well enough, they will see right through the garbage they are facing. The more they learn about math and life the better it is. Those neon lights look fascinating at first but in time you understand it is all an act to get your money.

[AicecreaME]

I have a kid and I don't like it when he is playing games like GTA which are accessible thru Google Play. There is one time that I saw him being really brutal while playing it and I immediately take it off his phone.
The problem:
1. We don't know how the restrictions are set.
2. Some applications don't really put the real age requirement for their games.
Brutality, gambling, bad words or anything that may lead to addiction is not a good thing for new era kids. It affects them and I can see it with my kid although I did try keep him away from all of it.

For me, if it's gambling then stick with it. If its an MMORPG that offers in game gambling, I don't like the idea anymore, it ruins the fun. But that's just my own opinion.

You certainly have a point there, but I see it in a bit different way. I have kids too, and from my experience it's not only gambling inside a game is what might be dangerous, but many other things, like the case with GTA that you described, for instance. The thing is that we can't dictate to game producers what games to release, so the only option we have is to not leave our kids unsupervised for a long time while they are playing. Play together with your kids and give them the right understanding of what's going on in the game.

I agree.

Since we don't have any control on the games that's being published in the internet, at least let us always supervised our child activity especially in gadgets and social media. I just want to add that not only in gambling or 18+ rated games your child could be in danger but also in games where they talk to other people all around the globe, my example for that would be Minecraft.

A news here in our country (Philippines) says that his child was talking someone in Minecraft, and luckily the parent (mother) heard it that the stranger was asking something on his child like to go on a certain address (if I remember it correctly) and when the strangers noticed that they are heard by the parent, they got disconnected.

[hahay]

I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Not only that, a streamer or those with influence are sometimes endorsed by gambling companies allowing anyone who is a fan of the channel to try it out. This will indeed be of great concern because we know that fans can come from many circles, including children. If those who have been able to sort and choose the best for themselves then of course it will be safe, but for those who are new and still have high enthusiasm for something new then of course it will be dangerous if there is no further guidance.

[KTChampions]

These bad stuff affects kids only when they are dumb. If you (or the school you sent your kids to) educate your kids well enough, they will see right through the garbage they are facing. The more they learn about math and life the better it is. Those neon lights look fascinating at first but in time you understand it is all an act to get your money.

By the way, since we started talking about the correct attitude to negative experiences, I can tell the story that happened to my daughter - once in the game she was deceived (the scammer took her expensive in-game items). It was a lot of tears and disappointment, but I can say that it was a good life lesson and I thought that it is better to be deceived in the game and understand that one must be careful than to be deceived in life (perhaps much more strongly).

[Mahanton]

In fact, this is a difficult question and I cannot say that a ban is a better solution. If you look at the situation from the developer's point of view, the reasons for the appearance of loot boxes are clear - they cannot introduce characters or things worth $ 1000 into the game for obvious reasons - a very small number of players can afford it. Therefore, they lower the entry threshold and make a $ 10 loot box with a 1 percent chance of getting a top character or item. In theory, this will equalize the chances of all players.

Depends on them because time would be the main issue on here here these dev/team arent really that patient enough on waiting for accumulating thousands of bucks for a long time
and to know that there are indeed rich kids or people who would really be buying out those loot boxes as long there is something worth in behind those.
Yes, lowering the price could give out equal chance and interest would even go higher but they've seen that more expensive one is really worth for their time and effort.
Playing computer games and other forms could really be attached to gambling depending on the integration and its been already in a while.

This is not a matter of time, but a matter of market width. A very small number of players are ready to spend thousands of dollars even for super items and characters, and at the same time, a huge number of players are ready to spend a small amount in their favorite game in order to get a chance for something very good. Loot boxes allow you to combine these two communities - the most massive share of players and the most expensive items in the game.

You are right on this one in terms of combining those two communities which is on point but overall there are lots of various ways on how those companies do really make out some money in
form of those kind of set-ups.

Players or common engagers isnt really that much of aware that they are simply doing gambling in the first place because putting up money into something for some expected
results would really be always considered.

This had been a typical thing and engagement will vary on each person.

[South Park]

In fact, this is a difficult question and I cannot say that a ban is a better solution. If you look at the situation from the developer's point of view, the reasons for the appearance of loot boxes are clear - they cannot introduce characters or things worth $ 1000 into the game for obvious reasons - a very small number of players can afford it. Therefore, they lower the entry threshold and make a $ 10 loot box with a 1 percent chance of getting a top character or item. In theory, this will equalize the chances of all players.

Depends on them because time would be the main issue on here here these dev/team arent really that patient enough on waiting for accumulating thousands of bucks for a long time
and to know that there are indeed rich kids or people who would really be buying out those loot boxes as long there is something worth in behind those.
Yes, lowering the price could give out equal chance and interest would even go higher but they've seen that more expensive one is really worth for their time and effort.
Playing computer games and other forms could really be attached to gambling depending on the integration and its been already in a while.

This is not a matter of time, but a matter of market width. A very small number of players are ready to spend thousands of dollars even for super items and characters, and at the same time, a huge number of players are ready to spend a small amount in their favorite game in order to get a chance for something very good. Loot boxes allow you to combine these two communities - the most massive share of players and the most expensive items in the game.

I understand your point but then if that is the case then those games should be regulated as any other casino and have to pay taxes like one for each one of those transactions and they will have to device a system so those that are underage cannot buy those loot boxes, it is a huge deal of regulations I know, but it is the only way this can be fair as casinos have to do this already and it is still a profitable industry, so the video game industry will have to do the same if they want to offer such products.

[KTChampions]

This is not a matter of time, but a matter of market width. A very small number of players are ready to spend thousands of dollars even for super items and characters, and at the same time, a huge number of players are ready to spend a small amount in their favorite game in order to get a chance for something very good. Loot boxes allow you to combine these two communities - the most massive share of players and the most expensive items in the game.

I understand your point but then if that is the case then those games should be regulated as any other casino and have to pay taxes like one for each one of those transactions and they will have to device a system so those that are underage cannot buy those loot boxes, it is a huge deal of regulations I know, but it is the only way this can be fair as casinos have to do this already and it is still a profitable industry, so the video game industry will have to do the same if they want to offer such products.

Any game publisher pays taxes so there is no problem with that. As for loot boxes, as far as I know, the most common way to bypass the restrictions imposed by regulators is as follows: there is a guaranteed prize in a loot box and the player buys it, and that legendary prize that everyone really wants goes as a free bonus.

[Betwrong]

~

These bad stuff affects kids only when they are dumb. If you (or the school you sent your kids to) educate your kids well enough, they will see right through the garbage they are facing. The more they learn about math and life the better it is. Those neon lights look fascinating at first but in time you understand it is all an act to get your money.

I don't know if you have kids, but trust me, it's not that simple. They could be going to the best school in the world with the best teachers possible, and yet be ignoring all that and listening to some "guru" on YouTube whom they adore at the moment. And if you'll try to forbid them, you'll only make things worse ... All of us are dumb at some point, that's life, there's no such thing as always dumb or always smart people. ... But I agree with you regarding learning math. This process makes kids smarter in various fields somehow.

So, back to "gambling or playing", I guess. If you don't want your kids were exposed to gambling in early age, I have bad news for you: that isn't a possibility. But it's not like the end of the world, you just have to bear that in mind and act accordingly.

[South Park]

This is not a matter of time, but a matter of market width. A very small number of players are ready to spend thousands of dollars even for super items and characters, and at the same time, a huge number of players are ready to spend a small amount in their favorite game in order to get a chance for something very good. Loot boxes allow you to combine these two communities - the most massive share of players and the most expensive items in the game.

I understand your point but then if that is the case then those games should be regulated as any other casino and have to pay taxes like one for each one of those transactions and they will have to device a system so those that are underage cannot buy those loot boxes, it is a huge deal of regulations I know, but it is the only way this can be fair as casinos have to do this already and it is still a profitable industry, so the video game industry will have to do the same if they want to offer such products.

Any game publisher pays taxes so there is no problem with that. As for loot boxes, as far as I know, the most common way to bypass the restrictions imposed by regulators is as follows: there is a guaranteed prize in a loot box and the player buys it, and that legendary prize that everyone really wants goes as a free bonus.

Thanks for the info, I will admit that I do no really play a lot of video games and I make an effort to avoid games that try to sell me their stuff 100 times instead of selling me the complete video game from the get go, those are some really dirty tactics they are using in order to try to avoid those regulations and I do not know for how long this can be tolerated as there are people spending a fortune in a video game and they have nothing to show for it except a few more bits of information on their games.

[Lucasgabd]

This is not a matter of time, but a matter of market width. A very small number of players are ready to spend thousands of dollars even for super items and characters, and at the same time, a huge number of players are ready to spend a small amount in their favorite game in order to get a chance for something very good. Loot boxes allow you to combine these two communities - the most massive share of players and the most expensive items in the game.

I understand your point but then if that is the case then those games should be regulated as any other casino and have to pay taxes like one for each one of those transactions and they will have to device a system so those that are underage cannot buy those loot boxes, it is a huge deal of regulations I know, but it is the only way this can be fair as casinos have to do this already and it is still a profitable industry, so the video game industry will have to do the same if they want to offer such products.

Any game publisher pays taxes so there is no problem with that. As for loot boxes, as far as I know, the most common way to bypass the restrictions imposed by regulators is as follows: there is a guaranteed prize in a loot box and the player buys it, and that legendary prize that everyone really wants goes as a free bonus.

Thanks for the info, I will admit that I do no really play a lot of video games and I make an effort to avoid games that try to sell me their stuff 100 times instead of selling me the complete video game from the get go, those are some really dirty tactics they are using in order to try to avoid those regulations and I do not know for how long this can be tolerated as there are people spending a fortune in a video game and they have nothing to show for it except a few more bits of information on their games.

many games (and other things specially in web 2.0) use these tatics, cognitive biases and ways to catch us by the emotion to be able to profit more
definitely something to keep eyes open about and don't forget

even with gambling

controlling time and bankroll is really important

[robelneo]

I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Even if it's hard to keep up on what these kids are watching we should still keep, check the history of what they are surfing, and if you have a good anti-virus that can block certain sites, then block all these sites that you think can harm your children, we don't want our kids exposed to gambling at a very young age, this is too risky and we will regret later if the kids gets hooked on gambling at a very young age.

[tippytoes]

I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Even if it's hard to keep up on what these kids are watching we should still keep, check the history of what they are surfing, and if you have a good anti-virus that can block certain sites, then block all these sites that you think can harm your children, we don't want our kids exposed to gambling at a very young age, this is too risky and we will regret later if the kids gets hooked on gambling at a very young age.

I do agree, if you can block certain sites that would be great. Because these days, youngsters can easily be influenced by social media or their peers. If you can't track their activities, better also to instill on them about the significance of money and how gambling may affect their lifestyle in the future. You need to lay out the consequences involved once they venture into this industry. They need to understand the risks involved.

[Lucasgabd]

I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Even if it's hard to keep up on what these kids are watching we should still keep, check the history of what they are surfing, and if you have a good anti-virus that can block certain sites, then block all these sites that you think can harm your children, we don't want our kids exposed to gambling at a very young age, this is too risky and we will regret later if the kids gets hooked on gambling at a very young age.

I do agree, if you can block certain sites that would be great. Because these days, youngsters can easily be influenced by social media or their peers. If you can't track their activities, better also to instill on them about the significance of money and how gambling may affect their lifestyle in the future. You need to lay out the consequences involved once they venture into this industry. They need to understand the risks involved.

many executives on silicon valley that work and build these businesses don't let their children use social media and sometimes even any screen/internet at all until certain age like 12 years old
may sound radical for some but its possible a way to go.

[YOSHIE]

What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I think there are different points of view in online games as a whole, online games can have positive effects, if minors do not play excessively.

Of course what's in the game play as we know there are positive and negative elements, that happens if judging from one point of view or from one side, online games look bad/negative, but from a positive point of view in online games, of course there are, for example: children can be entertained by activities in the games they play, can also stimulate children's brain activity and sportsmanship, so not all online games can have an impact on the bad, some have an impact on the good of the child himself, on condition that control and not overdo it.

[qwertyup23]

What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I think there are different points of view in online games as a whole, online games can have positive effects, if minors do not play excessively.

Of course what's in the game play as we know there are positive and negative elements, that happens if judging from one point of view or from one side, online games look bad/negative, but from a positive point of view in online games, of course there are, for example: children can be entertained by activities in the games they play, can also stimulate children's brain activity and sportsmanship, so not all online games can have an impact on the bad, some have an impact on the good of the child himself, on condition that control and not overdo it.

I think the general rule is that, anything that is too much is detrimental and bad- this also applies to gambling and playing in general.

For underaged player, playing online games have its own share of positive effects on the individual. Like what YOSHIE mentioned, it stimulates the brain function of the player which improves their concentration ability, their focus, and their reflexes. But anything that is beyond the time limit imposed upon these children can be detrimental to their health.

Like in gambling, you can gamble away your resources but you should know when and how to stop. Without any self-control and discipline, this would lead to negative effects that would be very costly in the future.

[Lucasgabd]

What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I think there are different points of view in online games as a whole, online games can have positive effects, if minors do not play excessively.

Of course what's in the game play as we know there are positive and negative elements, that happens if judging from one point of view or from one side, online games look bad/negative, but from a positive point of view in online games, of course there are, for example: children can be entertained by activities in the games they play, can also stimulate children's brain activity and sportsmanship, so not all online games can have an impact on the bad, some have an impact on the good of the child himself, on condition that control and not overdo it.

yes, time of activity plays a role too
have you heard that the difference between the medicine and the poison is the dose?
this applies here

a bit of videogames can be good for exercising creativity, improving perception and visual acuity
too much? dopamine addiction, making all other activities seem not fun anymore

[Woodie]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far?

I would find it undesirable but I think these addons are deliberately put in there to try make extra sales from players that find them entertaining. It would be an issue if such were a must play but these are optional games most of the time.

What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

I think for most games with such kind of extras have age ratings as high as 18+, which protects the gaming studio . Players playing these kind of games are expected to make the right decisions whether to continue playing  or quit the game should they find something unappealing.

[Alisha-k]

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

It's up to the gamer and the approach or motive behind the video games if it's strictly for fun then it remains a game but if it involves staking then gambling is involved. Kids shouldn't be involved in the gambling part of this video games but sometimes they may be tempted to gamble as well that's where close monitoring from parents and loved ones is needed

[blockman]

It can teach the young players to gamble. If that's sort of an in-game NPC and place, those kids will gamble at their will as part of being curious. That's the side effect of having a game with a gambling game inside and you'll never know what will be the implication of it. They can bring that gambling experience even if it's just inside a game into the outside and real world until they grow up and the rest would be history. That's the side effect that I can see and for sure that I'm not the only one that's concerned with the young ones who will be introduced to gambling by that way.

[Fredomago]

It can teach the young players to gamble. If that's sort of an in-game NPC and place, those kids will gamble at their will as part of being curious. That's the side effect of having a game with a gambling game inside and you'll never know what will be the implication of it. They can bring that gambling experience even if it's just inside a game into the outside and real world until they grow up and the rest would be history. That's the side effect that I can see and for sure that I'm not the only one that's concerned with the young ones who will be introduced to gambling by that way.

Preventing those young child to take part with this kind of games, you never know what would be the impact once they learned this kind of activities, at first it's just curiosity until they reached the peak and realize that they wanted to excel.

Young mindsets are very explorer they wanted to know deeper and for sure they will engaged to much especially if they find pleasures.

As much as possible better to keep your eye with how young child acts inside your premises, better to act immediately than to find things late and the problem is already deep.

[Smartvirus]

Having an in app gambling on a gaming app doesn't hide the fact that, gambling is still being exposed to minors. Gambling has never been a minors thing and as such, gaming and gambling is actually a way of luring them into the gambling life and frankly speaking, most persons especially the minors would always go for anything that has a price and the thing about gambling is that, it always looks for a small fee, for a stake. A fee that often means nothing to you until it accumulates and becomes something. So, having minors exposed to this lifestyle is like grooming them for what is to come and when it comes, they are no longer scared of it and just like that, you've got a teenage gambler.

[DU18]

Having an in app gambling on a gaming app doesn't hide the fact that, gambling is still being exposed to minors. Gambling has never been a minors thing and as such, gaming and gambling is actually a way of luring them into the gambling life and frankly speaking, most persons especially the minors would always go for anything that has a price and the thing about gambling is that, it always looks for a small fee, for a stake. A fee that often means nothing to you until it accumulates and becomes something. So, having minors exposed to this lifestyle is like grooming them for what is to come and when it comes, they are no longer scared of it and just like that, you've got a teenage gambler.

I agree, if games are being sold to kids below 18 or even 16 years we need to make sure that it doesn't involve a gambling system. Parents can't be able to check every game of their kids, especially if there are a lot of mods and secondary service providers. The gaming industry became a billion dollar market over the last few years that attracts many new companies. Gambling should only be for 18+ year olds.

Apart from game developers, of course, we as parents also have to be able to keep away any games that smell like gambling and violence from minors, so that children can enjoy their lives naturally and not get involved with anything bad that can actually happen destroying their future, besides that in my opinion the government should be able to monitor every site or game circulating in a country with strict supervision for children because after all children are the future of the country and if their morals are starting to break now, of course it can be ascertained if the future of the country will also be ruined.

[Oasisman]

Having an in app gambling on a gaming app doesn't hide the fact that, gambling is still being exposed to minors. Gambling has never been a minors thing and as such, gaming and gambling is actually a way of luring them into the gambling life and frankly speaking, most persons especially the minors would always go for anything that has a price and the thing about gambling is that, it always looks for a small fee, for a stake. A fee that often means nothing to you until it accumulates and becomes something. So, having minors exposed to this lifestyle is like grooming them for what is to come and when it comes, they are no longer scared of it and just like that, you've got a teenage gambler.

Online games like those are surely for 18+ only, you can find them in their TOS.
I'm totally aware that these companies cannot identify the age of the players playing the game, since majority of these games are downloadable to the Pc or mobile.
Kids and below 18 shouldn't be playing this kind of game. Besides, it's always gonna the parents responsibility to look for their children.
Though there are things that these companies can do to identify and get rid of minors. KYC verification yeah, but that will usually drive the clients away. So, they're not going to do it anyway.

[Mahanton]

Having an in app gambling on a gaming app doesn't hide the fact that, gambling is still being exposed to minors. Gambling has never been a minors thing and as such, gaming and gambling is actually a way of luring them into the gambling life and frankly speaking, most persons especially the minors would always go for anything that has a price and the thing about gambling is that, it always looks for a small fee, for a stake. A fee that often means nothing to you until it accumulates and becomes something. So, having minors exposed to this lifestyle is like grooming them for what is to come and when it comes, they are no longer scared of it and just like that, you've got a teenage gambler.

Online games like those are surely for 18+ only, you can find them in their TOS.
I'm totally aware that these companies cannot identify the age of the players playing the game, since majority of these games are downloadable to the Pc or mobile.
Kids and below 18 shouldn't be playing this kind of game. Besides, it's always gonna the parents responsibility to look for their children.
Though there are things that these companies can do to identify and get rid of minors. KYC verification yeah, but that will usually drive the clients away. So, they're not going to do it anyway.

There are different markets between fiat gambling sites and crypto gambling sites and we know that here on crypto then this isnt really requiring anything but rather just funds for you to
play on and youre good to go and detecting minors is something that cant really get rid of 100% and its true that the rest would really be depending on parenting on where to guide
your children about the awareness on how gambling would really be that bad for them. For playing games then it would be just natural but when it comes to the point
that money is already involved then its an another story.

[Ryker1]

well you may be converting them to be a gamber if it interest the gamer. most gamers have budget. if it works then maybe the KYC is needed. kids often play thise video games.

It's up to the gamer and the approach or motive behind the video games if it's strictly for fun then it remains a game but if it involves staking then gambling is involved. Kids shouldn't be involved in the gambling part of this video games but sometimes they may be tempted to gamble as well that's where close monitoring from parents and loved ones is needed

Well, it could be they attempt but for sure it will not survive even though they know how to gamble in that mobile games, most likely teenagers now are in fun not on the income and perhaps they can gamble in a short time but they can survive of course due to the source of fund. However, that is good if parents were able to always monitor their activity to avoid possible addiction to gambling in any online games. Just like the game that I usually played here in my place, you know this game ^{[Rules of Survival]}, they had a betting every weekend using your gems, but I think no one will gamble and everyone chooses to play.

[Lucasgabd]

Having an in app gambling on a gaming app doesn't hide the fact that, gambling is still being exposed to minors. Gambling has never been a minors thing and as such, gaming and gambling is actually a way of luring them into the gambling life and frankly speaking, most persons especially the minors would always go for anything that has a price and the thing about gambling is that, it always looks for a small fee, for a stake. A fee that often means nothing to you until it accumulates and becomes something. So, having minors exposed to this lifestyle is like grooming them for what is to come and when it comes, they are no longer scared of it and just like that, you've got a teenage gambler.

I agree, if games are being sold to kids below 18 or even 16 years we need to make sure that it doesn't involve a gambling system. Parents can't be able to check every game of their kids, especially if there are a lot of mods and secondary service providers. The gaming industry became a billion dollar market over the last few years that attracts many new companies. Gambling should only be for 18+ year olds.

I agree that gambling should be restricted for those under 18 or even 21.
but why do you say parents can't check all games their kids play?
this is possible and as investors should do their own research parents should also do their due diligence on what they allow their kids to consume specially at really young age (before 7-12).

[stadus]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

The reality is, not every game you can gamble or you look to gamble on it, anyone who plays a game and gamble at the same time is called a gambler, and kids should just play the game, enjoy it, consider it a fun activity and don't gamble from it. There's a reason why casinos only allowed 18 up customers to be able to enter, that is because they want to ensure that you are already matured enough once you enter a casino.

[hahay]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

The reality is, not every game you can gamble or you look to gamble on it, anyone who plays a game and gamble at the same time is called a gambler, and kids should just play the game, enjoy it, consider it a fun activity and don't gamble from it. There's a reason why casinos only allowed 18 up customers to be able to enter, that is because they want to ensure that you are already matured enough once you enter a casino.

But with the games that children play, if they apply the game to gambling, then any game they play still has a chance to be used as gambling too. Gambling will come at any time in children and it can be realized or not, because the simple things in games even though they do not involve real money but allow there to be bets made in them. Therefore, gradually they will begin to realize about gambling as well and things like this have often happened in the environment where they play.

[smyslov]

It can teach the young players to gamble. If that's sort of an in-game NPC and place, those kids will gamble at their will as part of being curious. That's the side effect of having a game with a gambling game inside and you'll never know what will be the implication of it. They can bring that gambling experience even if it's just inside a game into the outside and real world until they grow up and the rest would be history. That's the side effect that I can see and for sure that I'm not the only one that's concerned with the young ones who will be introduced to gambling by that way.

I will also get concerned because you cannot expose or integrate gambling to kid's gaming sites, it's not right, even if some countries allow kids to gamble I will not let my kid gamble or even expose to gambling games like dice, slots or similar games that are very much associated to gambling, there will be many complaints if a gaming site integrates gambling or parents will prevent their kids to play there and look for alternatives.

[john_nautica]

I remember playing this game called red dead redemption 2 there's some mini games on this game about poker and i tried it and it's very addicting but I don't think underage people will focus on this game since the game itself is entertaining, I think there should always be a warning on every game. That's the only thing they can do, even now any underage can play casino and place bet on sports betting website without verifying itself that he or she is on a legal age.

[blockman]

It can teach the young players to gamble. If that's sort of an in-game NPC and place, those kids will gamble at their will as part of being curious. That's the side effect of having a game with a gambling game inside and you'll never know what will be the implication of it. They can bring that gambling experience even if it's just inside a game into the outside and real world until they grow up and the rest would be history. That's the side effect that I can see and for sure that I'm not the only one that's concerned with the young ones who will be introduced to gambling by that way.

I will also get concerned because you cannot expose or integrate gambling to kid's gaming sites, it's not right, even if some countries allow kids to gamble I will not let my kid gamble or even expose to gambling games like dice, slots or similar games that are very much associated to gambling, there will be many complaints if a gaming site integrates gambling or parents will prevent their kids to play there and look for alternatives.

There are the parents that have the most important role to guide their kids. But sometimes, it's out of scope already when the kids are too resourceful and they eventually gamble inside a game without the parents knowing it. And it doesn't look important to them so they don't tell it to their parents while the parents, as seem it's just a game, do not care at all as long as their kids are enjoying whatever game they're playing with but without the notice of what type of game they're playing.

[KTChampions]

I agree that gambling should be restricted for those under 18 or even 21.
but why do you say parents can't check all games their kids play?
this is possible and as investors should do their own research parents should also do their due diligence on what they allow their kids to consume specially at really young age (before 7-12).

I think he meant the impossibility of complete control. And this is close to the truth, ordinary parents simply do not have enough resources to monitor their child around the clock and what he is doing on his phone/tablet. You should take into account that even seeing in front of you a list of games that a child plays, it is almost impossible to understand what they are without additional research.

[YuginKadoya]

I remember playing this game called red dead redemption 2 there's some mini games on this game about poker and i tried it and it's very addicting but I don't think underage people will focus on this game since the game itself is entertaining, I think there should always be a warning on every game. That's the only thing they can do, even now any underage can play casino and place bet on sports betting website without verifying itself that he or she is on a legal age.

I have seen that game as well, and I think many on the mobile games department have some gambling features aswell and mostly on Gacha games with the RNG kind of thing if you have played Genishin Impact there is this random thing that you will get the powerful characters or items on the game and it surely features a random pick I think this is a kind of gambling as well and sometimes you will need to buy tokens to perform a random summoning,

I really think there are a lot of games that surely involve gambling RNG that some would use real money in getting good items and characters for the game.

[South Park]

I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Even if it's hard to keep up on what these kids are watching we should still keep, check the history of what they are surfing, and if you have a good anti-virus that can block certain sites, then block all these sites that you think can harm your children, we don't want our kids exposed to gambling at a very young age, this is too risky and we will regret later if the kids gets hooked on gambling at a very young age.

I do agree, if you can block certain sites that would be great. Because these days, youngsters can easily be influenced by social media or their peers. If you can't track their activities, better also to instill on them about the significance of money and how gambling may affect their lifestyle in the future. You need to lay out the consequences involved once they venture into this industry. They need to understand the risks involved.

many executives on silicon valley that work and build these businesses don't let their children use social media and sometimes even any screen/internet at all until certain age like 12 years old
may sound radical for some but its possible a way to go.

It is not that weird at all after all there are images of the CEO of Facebook using a laptop in which he put some tape above the camera in order to avoid being recorded without his permission, in fact one of my family members follows this policy with their kids as they are still young and they do not let them use any kind of smartphone or play video games and they are very well adjusted kids, so I think in the future this is something that we are going to see more and more commonly.

[Betwrong]

~
There are the parents that have the most important role to guide their kids. But sometimes, it's out of scope already when the kids are too resourceful and they eventually gamble inside a game without the parents knowing it. And it doesn't look important to them so they don't tell it to their parents while the parents, as seem it's just a game, do not care at all as long as their kids are enjoying whatever game they're playing with but without the notice of what type of game they're playing.

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

[xSkylarx]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

I think they will not get confused because gambling makes you feel excited . If we talked children playing is the one they like but later on if they get matured playing is not really exciting anymore but if playing + gambling makes them excited again but it is not really good to them since they are young and they grow up finding that kind of feeling which makes them addicted

[Chato1977]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

I think they will not get confused because gambling makes you feel excited . If we talked children playing is the one they like but later on if they get matured playing is not really exciting anymore but if playing + gambling makes them excited again but it is not really good to them since they are young and they grow up finding that kind of feeling which makes them addicted

They will be confused in the first experience because it is far different from their supposedly gaming .
they are usually playing using their mind and knowledge and winning win skills but in gambling that only for lucky one?
this will be confusing and they may find this confusing but if letting them play constantly then eventually they may learn and understand ,.

[molsewid]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

[robelneo]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents. 

[Shamm]

author=robelneo link=topic=5348848.msg57600300#msg57600300
Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents. 

Yes your right some kids mistakenly install an gambling games cause some gambling games  if you do not know that app its look like a ordinary video games .
Parents must check the computer or phone of their kids in order to be aware what they installed  so that they can give some advice or give some reliable content about the application  installed by their children.

[finaleshot2016]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents. 

I'm aware of a number of games that include a betting feature but only use in-game currency rather than real money. However, children are being introduced to a game that will pique their interest in gambling, which is extremely concerning. They will eventually learn how to gamble as a result of the mobile game that was previously thought to be a children's game only. People should be aware of this, especially parents who have no idea what kind of game is available in the play store right now.

[Pamadar]

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.  

I follow  your point, it's very important for those kids and young adults to have their phones beside them,

If you give them rules like this it will work as they don't want to lose the fun that they are enjoying using their devices, better to have rulings that kids will surely follows, it helps both of you to lessen any chances that they'll exposed themselves with gambling and any other things that may corrupt their minds.

[carlfebz2]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

As long kids not play gambling games (real casino games) i think i will be OK with that. Because not want to resist, that nowadays a lot of games have "gacha" system in their feature. And actually that can considered as gambling because we spend money to aim for highest price which is in game.

Are those things cant be considered as gambling too? on where you do need cash to roll those roulette to claim or get those potential prizes? In general sense then it is indeed can be considered but it is on the form of a game but we dont realize that we are really into that criteria already.

Thing here that as an individual we should really be aware in regarding to our action because not all the time there is someone who would really guide us or remind us on those things like our parents or friends.

Take everything that you do get involved on with most precaution and as long you arent hurting or compromising something important then you are still good to continue.

[el kaka22]

We are forgetting that even in games there are "boxes" and "loots" and "skins" and all that which turns into some sort of gambling. Netherlands banned those type of things in games because of how horribly gambling like they are.

Fifa and NBA 2k and all that can't do it on Netherlands and it is banned there, normally you buy points from Fifa, then get deck of cards and then hope that a great player comes out of it, if you fail you try again, if you succeed you either have a great player or you can sell and have a lot of money. Tell me that doesn't sound like gambling for you? It is basically full on gambling if you ask me. This is why gambling and gaming is very close and very little kids start gambling in games from very early age.

[STT]

unique or rare in-game items

My main objection would be about the game itself, if the rare items are just vanity pieces or especially illustrative and elaborate items of artwork then its fair enough the game continues and one player looks nicer aesthetically then another but overall its still about skill in the game itself.  
   If ever the game items distribute power and advantage over other players and thats done through monetary reward then it becomes a problem that will ultimately reduce gameplay and fairness.   We'll get one section of players from a rich country with an advantage over players from a poorer country and now you just have a game that mirrors the rather unfortunate realities of normal life that some are richer and thats not really a proper game or one I'd want to be part of personally.


Fifa in the example above gives advantage to those with alot of money.   Maybe a really great player can overcome their disadvantage but its not a level playing field, the poorer person has weights put on their back to stop them competing as well vs the richer person.  Thats like the mindset of a hundred years ago, EA in general are not of my favorite companies because of this policy and similar ideas they keep repeating this theme.

[Lucasgabd]

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Of course, there will be an effect, children know that gaming is for fun and they are developing their skills on judging a situation, but if you put gambling alongside gaming, children will be confused because they are presented with a luck-based game and this will be their introduction to gambling, which is not good for a very young age.

apart from the confusion, gambling can really mess up with one's reward receptors on the brain
would love to see data comparing it to simply gaming but if I have to guess I'd say that probably adding a monetary component to it can heavily affect dopamine, probably heavier than simply gaming for fun.

now here's a tricky point play to earn games have to pay attention too

[KTChampions]

unique or rare in-game items

My main objection would be about the game itself, if the rare items are just vanity pieces or especially illustrative and elaborate items of artwork then its fair enough the game continues and one player looks nicer aesthetically then another but overall its still about skill in the game itself.  
   If ever the game items distribute power and advantage over other players and thats done through monetary reward then it becomes a problem that will ultimately reduce gameplay and fairness.   We'll get one section of players from a rich country with an advantage over players from a poorer country and now you just have a game that mirrors the rather unfortunate realities of normal life that some are richer and thats not really a proper game or one I'd want to be part of personally.


Fifa in the example above gives advantage to those with alot of money.   Maybe a really great player can overcome their disadvantage but its not a level playing field, the poorer person has weights put on their back to stop them competing as well vs the richer person.  Thats like the mindset of a hundred years ago, EA in general are not of my favorite companies because of this policy and similar ideas they keep repeating this theme.

This is a common problem in games where the gameplay depends on the injection of money. Usually, sooner or later, they turn into pay2win game. The only games that I love from this genre are collectible games - the logic of pay and win there is quite reasonable. But to be honest, I love these games not because of the gameplay, but because of the opportunity to make money on them 

[peter0425]

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.  

I follow  your point, it's very important for those kids and young adults to have their phones beside them,

If you give them rules like this it will work as they don't want to lose the fun that they are enjoying using their devices, better to have rulings that kids will surely follows, it helps both of you to lessen any chances that they'll exposed themselves with gambling and any other things that may corrupt their minds.

absolutely correct , if we bring our children to this rules since childhood and implementing all the time , then they will understand the consequences of what will happen if they break it.

[tyz]

author=robelneo link=topic=5348848.msg57600300#msg57600300
Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents. 

Yes your right some kids mistakenly install an gambling games cause some gambling games  if you do not know that app its look like a ordinary video games .
Parents must check the computer or phone of their kids in order to be aware what they installed  so that they can give some advice or give some reliable content about the application  installed by their children.

Funnily enough, those kids don't even have to do it themselves. In some countries, "gambling" apps are already pre-installed with Windows. I don't normally use Windows, but when I bought a PC a few months ago, Windows was already installed as standard OS. When I first booted it up, I was surprised to see what apps were pre-installed. Some fell directly or indirectly into the gambling category. Maybe this is due to countries where gambling is treated rather liberally.

[Kittygalore]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can always prevent them from exploring websites that we deem not fit for their current age, I mean most of the kids that I know that uses mobile phones only goes for mobile games or just watching videos in Youtube, a simple monitoring would help and locking out browsers so they can't further explore is helpful but I think that the biggest thing that we can do is let the children play outside or do something physical, nobody does these kind of thing anymore.

[Lucasgabd]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can always prevent them from exploring websites that we deem not fit for their current age, I mean most of the kids that I know that uses mobile phones only goes for mobile games or just watching videos in Youtube, a simple monitoring would help and locking out browsers so they can't further explore is helpful but I think that the biggest thing that we can do is let the children play outside or do something physical, nobody does these kind of thing anymore.

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

[Betwrong]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can always prevent them from exploring websites that we deem not fit for their current age, I mean most of the kids that I know that uses mobile phones only goes for mobile games or just watching videos in Youtube, a simple monitoring would help and locking out browsers so they can't further explore is helpful but I think that the biggest thing that we can do is let the children play outside or do something physical, nobody does these kind of thing anymore.

We have to accept the reality we are living in. Most kids are not interested in the outdoor physical activity. I'm not saying it's a good thing, it's just how it is. I live near a beach, and I see it all the time: even those kids whose parents took them on the beach want only one thing - a smartphone to play or watch videos. Sooner or later they will encounter gambling in this or that form. Prohibition will not work, because it never works. Maybe redirecting kids' energies from stupid games to smart games, as @Lucasgabd suggested above, is a good option. After all what this kid, Benyamin, is doing is also a game in a way.

[Lucasgabd]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can always prevent them from exploring websites that we deem not fit for their current age, I mean most of the kids that I know that uses mobile phones only goes for mobile games or just watching videos in Youtube, a simple monitoring would help and locking out browsers so they can't further explore is helpful but I think that the biggest thing that we can do is let the children play outside or do something physical, nobody does these kind of thing anymore.

We have to accept the reality we are living in. Most kids are not interested in the outdoor physical activity. I'm not saying it's a good thing, it's just how it is. I live near a beach, and I see it all the time: even those kids whose parents took them on the beach want only one thing - a smartphone to play or watch videos. Sooner or later they will encounter gambling in this or that form. Prohibition will not work, because it never works. Maybe redirecting kids' energies from stupid games to smart games, as @Lucasgabd suggested above, is a good option. After all what this kid, Benyamin, is doing is also a game in a way.

agree, and this "energy redirecting" is done though education
I don't have kids yet but when I do they won't have their own screens (smartphone/notebook) at least until 7, probably 12 and I plan to always go for the nature and practice physical activities with them

the world is too beautiful to spend all our living experience behind screens

[bitgov]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

As far as I can remember, lottery or even gambling elements appeared in some games. However, I never put too much emphasis on it when I played games. As for whether such elements should appear at all, in my opinion NOT. Children's minds are much more susceptible to addiction and, above all, completely unaware of the dangers. In my opinion, the elements of gambling should not appear at all in games intended for young users.

[hahay]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

As far as I can remember, lottery or even gambling elements appeared in some games. However, I never put too much emphasis on it when I played games. As for whether such elements should appear at all, in my opinion NOT. Children's minds are much more susceptible to addiction and, above all, completely unaware of the dangers. In my opinion, the elements of gambling should not appear at all in games intended for young users.

Yes, after all, they will only be interested or only pay attention in terms of interesting graphics, so any game provided in the videogame is at least just a part of the story in the game itself which will not really harm the player. In the end at least they are just addicted to the videogame itself over time and not about gambling addiction so yeah, as long as the game only provides free play without involving real money then I guess it won't be dangerous.

[Lucasgabd]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

As far as I can remember, lottery or even gambling elements appeared in some games. However, I never put too much emphasis on it when I played games. As for whether such elements should appear at all, in my opinion NOT. Children's minds are much more susceptible to addiction and, above all, completely unaware of the dangers. In my opinion, the elements of gambling should not appear at all in games intended for young users.

Yes, after all, they will only be interested or only pay attention in terms of interesting graphics, so any game provided in the videogame is at least just a part of the story in the game itself which will not really harm the player. In the end at least they are just addicted to the videogame itself over time and not about gambling addiction so yeah, as long as the game only provides free play without involving real money then I guess it won't be dangerous.

if it's only about the graphics games like Axie infinity wouldn't be so successful, images are beautiful but really simple if compared to all these 3d alternatives around today
there's more to it which is the gameplay, the community...
but I agree with you that games doesn't have to be a entry for gambling, but could be.

[pinggoki]

ESRB ratings are there for a reason, I'm pretty sure not everyone is able to follow the appropriate guidelines in letting underaged children buy content that are not meant for their age group especially when it comes to videogames. Most establishments and gaming shops would have no issue selling let's say DOOM to an 8 year old kid nowadays. What could be done to alleviate this problem is to impose said guidelines in a stricter fashion, same as how PG ratings in movies are implemented. This way, kids who aren't supposed to be seeing gambling or adult content in a videogame are kept at bay.

We are forgetting that even in games there are "boxes" and "loots" and "skins" and all that which turns into some sort of gambling. Netherlands banned those type of things in games because of how horribly gambling like they are.

Fifa and NBA 2k and all that can't do it on Netherlands and it is banned there, normally you buy points from Fifa, then get deck of cards and then hope that a great player comes out of it, if you fail you try again, if you succeed you either have a great player or you can sell and have a lot of money. Tell me that doesn't sound like gambling for you? It is basically full on gambling if you ask me. This is why gambling and gaming is very close and very little kids start gambling in games from very early age.

Prohibition is the only effective way in these kinds of situation to ensure that kids aren't subjected to gambling at a very young age sadly. DLCs and loot system definitely made the gaming industry more inaccessible to the general public. Aside from paying that extra dollars to only get a chance to upgrade your cosmetics or abilities in-game, the younger audiences are expected to of course not partake in activities that involve loot system in-game.

[South Park]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents. 

I'm aware of a number of games that include a betting feature but only use in-game currency rather than real money. However, children are being introduced to a game that will pique their interest in gambling, which is extremely concerning. They will eventually learn how to gamble as a result of the mobile game that was previously thought to be a children's game only. People should be aware of this, especially parents who have no idea what kind of game is available in the play store right now.

But the problem with those games is that you can buy in game currency with real money and this means that albeit indirectly kids are using real money to make bets and this is a problem because there are a lot of kids that do not really understand what they're doing and they can develop bad habits and this can be problematic because the sooner they develop those habits the more difficult it is going to be for them to leave them behind once they grow up and become adults.

[Mahanton]

Right, it's a common thing nowadays, not knowing what exactly your kids are doing online. I think what we can do as parents is explain what our kids might encounter with beforehand, before they saw it inside of a game or someone showed them in some other place. Don't wait for that. Explain the possible risks of gambling to your kid.

We can't deny that this kind of resources were made easily available in the use of internet and can be accessed by minor or kids. On the other hand, this is the kind of scenario that a parents guidance on a kid we're very much needed but the kids today were having their alone time with their gadgets that a parents sometimes couldn't hold or check the phone. So it is very important that a parent is very much attentive to observe the actions of the child.

Some gaming and gambling sites can be traced on their history and some of them had an application that you can install, always check what applications are installed in your kids cellphone, give them a stern warning that they cannot use their cellphone for a limited time if they are caught using an application that deals with gambling, kids nowadays are afraid their phone confiscated so they cannot do anything but follow their parents.  

I'm aware of a number of games that include a betting feature but only use in-game currency rather than real money. However, children are being introduced to a game that will pique their interest in gambling, which is extremely concerning. They will eventually learn how to gamble as a result of the mobile game that was previously thought to be a children's game only. People should be aware of this, especially parents who have no idea what kind of game is available in the play store right now.

But the problem with those games is that you can buy in game currency with real money and this means that albeit indirectly kids are using real money to make bets and this is a problem because there are a lot of kids that do not really understand what they're doing and they can develop bad habits and this can be problematic because the sooner they develop those habits the more difficult it is going to be for them to leave them behind once they grow up and become adults.

This is why proper parenting is a must because you cant really monitor your children 24/7. It would really be hard for you to control them once they are already on the proper age and they've get used to involved on those things on earlier age and have able to get along with as they grow up.This is why its much important to take some action while still early when you do saw some potential gambling activity.

Its unavoidable on some circumstances but at least you should put up some focus on that while they are still on young age.

[Desmong]

I think the biggest risk isn't the games itself anymore but the big streamers on Twitch and YouTube. Almost all of the youngster these days spend a lot of time on these streaming platform, and if they see their favourite players to actually gamble online, they want to do the same. It is very hard to explain to kids these days that what they see on the Internet is not real. As parents there is no way to constantly supervise the kids and the line between gaming and gambling is disappearing.

Even if it's hard to keep up on what these kids are watching we should still keep, check the history of what they are surfing, and if you have a good anti-virus that can block certain sites, then block all these sites that you think can harm your children, we don't want our kids exposed to gambling at a very young age, this is too risky and we will regret later if the kids gets hooked on gambling at a very young age.

I do agree, if you can block certain sites that would be great. Because these days, youngsters can easily be influenced by social media or their peers. If you can't track their activities, better also to instill on them about the significance of money and how gambling may affect their lifestyle in the future. You need to lay out the consequences involved once they venture into this industry. They need to understand the risks involved.

many executives on silicon valley that work and build these businesses don't let their children use social media and sometimes even any screen/internet at all until certain age like 12 years old
may sound radical for some but its possible a way to go.

It is not that weird at all after all there are images of the CEO of Facebook using a laptop in which he put some tape above the camera in order to avoid being recorded without his permission, in fact one of my family members follows this policy with their kids as they are still young and they do not let them use any kind of smartphone or play video games and they are very well adjusted kids, so I think in the future this is something that we are going to see more and more commonly.

Children of nowadays are even more expose than there parents, the influence of television and internet they're viewing is changing there mindset inducing them to do the wrong things because of what they see always. This can not stop cause the 21 century has change the lifestyle of many even the unborn children that are coming. More of this are yet to come with high gravity of influencing the environment

[KTChampions]

But the problem with those games is that you can buy in game currency with real money and this means that albeit indirectly kids are using real money to make bets and this is a problem because there are a lot of kids that do not really understand what they're doing and they can develop bad habits and this can be problematic because the sooner they develop those habits the more difficult it is going to be for them to leave them behind once they grow up and become adults.

And what habits could they be? Spending more than you earn? Taking into account the fact that parents manage money, I think that they will quickly explain to the child that money is not endless and should be spent wisely. However, the child receives this knowledge in any game where there are finite resources.

[uneng]

But the problem with those games is that you can buy in game currency with real money and this means that albeit indirectly kids are using real money to make bets and this is a problem because there are a lot of kids that do not really understand what they're doing and they can develop bad habits and this can be problematic because the sooner they develop those habits the more difficult it is going to be for them to leave them behind once they grow up and become adults.

And what habits could they be? Spending more than you earn? Taking into account the fact that parents manage money, I think that they will quickly explain to the child that money is not endless and should be spent wisely. However, the child receives this knowledge in any game where there are finite resources.

Games that has money involve can still be considered as a game because there’s no way for you to get money in return aside from placing your own bet which I think is already happening in some country where the Children can bet and play that game. Gambling is too risky and can be very addicting, Children still have a weak emotion, this is not for them and we have to monitor our Children especially on their time online to avoid them from spending too much money that can lead into a gambling.

Even though you can't cashout profit from these games I think it's still not advised for kids, because they can become addicted. Until the kid wins the desired reward, he won't stop investing money in the game, especially because these online games' rewards are offered for limited time, so it must be achieved fast. Personally, I wouldn't let my children invest money in online games besides traditional membership packages.
These betting features are made in a way to force you to keep spending tons of money without limits in order to collect all the game's items. And doesn't matter how much money you put on it, you will be never able to reach 100% of the game collectibles.

[KTChampions]

And what habits could they be? Spending more than you earn? Taking into account the fact that parents manage money, I think that they will quickly explain to the child that money is not endless and should be spent wisely. However, the child receives this knowledge in any game where there are finite resources.

Games that has money involve can still be considered as a game because there’s no way for you to get money in return aside from placing your own bet which I think is already happening in some country where the Children can bet and play that game. Gambling is too risky and can be very addicting, Children still have a weak emotion, this is not for them and we have to monitor our Children especially on their time online to avoid them from spending too much money that can lead into a gambling.

Elements of gambling are found even in those games where there are no purchases for money. Almost every game has resources and they can be spent in different ways. Very often these expenses are probabilistic in nature - like sharpening weapons in Lineage, for example. Whether we like it or not, children encounter gambling very early on.

[fortunecrypto]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

If they are a gaming site and they are offering games that are related to gambling they will likely get a lot of complaints and can be reported especially if they are offering to bet with money, they are really going too far, because there are kids as young as 9 years old already plays in a gaming site, and parents who found out this games similar to gambling will restrict their children from playing on that site, or even go to the extent of reporting the gaming site.

[michellee]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

If they are a gaming site and they are offering games that are related to gambling they will likely get a lot of complaints and can be reported especially if they are offering to bet with money, they are really going too far, because there are kids as young as 9 years old already plays in a gaming site, and parents who found out this games similar to gambling will restrict their children from playing on that site, or even go to the extent of reporting the gaming site.

If many parents see their kids playing that game coincidentally but if they see the games is not related to the gambling, that game will not get many complaints. But if that game is related to gambling secretly, the parents need to check their kids' mobile phones and if they found that game has a chance to gamble, the parents need to tell their kids that game is not good for them. Maybe the parents can explain the risk of playing gambling and what they will get in the future, especially if they become addicted.

[molsewid]

Even though you can't cashout profit from these games I think it's still not advised for kids, because they can become addicted. Until the kid wins the desired reward, he won't stop investing money in the game, especially because these online games' rewards are offered for limited time, so it must be achieved fast. Personally, I wouldn't let my children invest money in online games besides traditional membership packages.
These betting features are made in a way to force you to keep spending tons of money without limits in order to collect all the game's items. And doesn't matter how much money you put on it, you will be never able to reach 100% of the game collectibles.

I am not yet a parent but the thought of me that a child may possibly engaged in a game or in an online game with a money involve is beyond my imagination but possible. The kid don't know what this money involved game is all about and this is where the role of the parents should be call of. This is where the thought of fear of mine coming from for the child even if its not my own child but introducing technology to a child is inevitable so the one thing that a mature person besides a child while she/he grows plays a vital role is guiding them and teach them wisely.

[South Park]

And what habits could they be? Spending more than you earn? Taking into account the fact that parents manage money, I think that they will quickly explain to the child that money is not endless and should be spent wisely. However, the child receives this knowledge in any game where there are finite resources.

Games that has money involve can still be considered as a game because there’s no way for you to get money in return aside from placing your own bet which I think is already happening in some country where the Children can bet and play that game. Gambling is too risky and can be very addicting, Children still have a weak emotion, this is not for them and we have to monitor our Children especially on their time online to avoid them from spending too much money that can lead into a gambling.

Elements of gambling are found even in those games where there are no purchases for money. Almost every game has resources and they can be spent in different ways. Very often these expenses are probabilistic in nature - like sharpening weapons in Lineage, for example. Whether we like it or not, children encounter gambling very early on.

I agree that there are elements of chance in every single game they play, so if for example they want a certain item and they do not get it at the first try they may try to farm it, however that is not the issue in my mind, most kid are not mature enough to actually gamble for real money and in many games of today that is possible, and while there is nothing wrong with gambling as long as you understand what you are doing a sit is our case a kid is not ready to take that responsibility.

[Yamifoud]

It is all about budget, if you can afford to gamble then it is going to be the first option to have fun. Video games also have in-game gambling options, GTA should have a small casino inside the bar, some players can gamble there to increase the gameplay money. In all cases, mostly underages have an interest in games so I don't think implementing gambling-based fun is suitable for this audience.

Those people saying that they are just playing for fun isn't the reality to found. No, they will spend money and time as their main goal is to win if they are lucky and these people could literally get mad once they lose.
These days, we found out that young ages are already exposed to this thing. They might just come and started with a simple game but we sometimes notice that these guys are using this for gambling. This has now become a problem as there is no age restriction and that will be hard to control in the future.

[Oasisman]

Even though you can't cashout profit from these games I think it's still not advised for kids, because they can become addicted. Until the kid wins the desired reward, he won't stop investing money in the game, especially because these online games' rewards are offered for limited time, so it must be achieved fast. Personally, I wouldn't let my children invest money in online games besides traditional membership packages.
These betting features are made in a way to force you to keep spending tons of money without limits in order to collect all the game's items. And doesn't matter how much money you put on it, you will be never able to reach 100% of the game collectibles.

I am not yet a parent but the thought of me that a child may possibly engaged in a game or in an online game with a money involve is beyond my imagination but possible. The kid don't know what this money involved game is all about and this is where the role of the parents should be call of. This is where the thought of fear of mine coming from for the child even if its not my own child but introducing technology to a child is inevitable so the one thing that a mature person besides a child while she/he grows plays a vital role is guiding them and teach them wisely.

You've said it right.
It will always be the parent's responsibility to look for their children on their activities in front of the computer or mobile.
Parents of millennial generation might not going to have any difficulties in identifying online games suitable for children or not because most of us is already computer literate than the Gen x and the boomer's generation.

On the other hand, Online games who instilled gambling as part of the game is another marketing strategy to attract more players and could potentially add in-game resources cash inflows.

[justdimin]

In all cases, mostly underages have an interest in games so I don't think implementing gambling-based fun is suitable for this audience.

But, corporate are trying to make those underages into gambler as early as possible which must be the reason these days games are coming up with optional gambling things. This is definitely not a healthy sign when considering about the future generations and their focus on academic.

It will always be the parent's responsibility to look for their children on their activities in front of the computer or mobile.

Yeah, at the same time, when technology and corporate are in intention to addict underages to gambling somehow, then whatever steps parents do follow may end up in vain. Corporate must feel their social responsibility along with profit making.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Those people saying that they are just playing for fun isn't the reality to found. No, they will spend money and time as their main goal is to win if they are lucky and these people could literally get mad once they lose.
These days, we found out that young ages are already exposed to this thing. They might just come and started with a simple game but we sometimes notice that these guys are using this for gambling. This has now become a problem as there is no age restriction and that will be hard to control in the future.

You're right, a lot of people say that they only play for fun, I don't know if they do it to avoid giving information or using it in a diplomatic way, but that's very easy, of course there are people who actually do, but out of every 1000 people 1, and none out of 100, so the odds are low, not only in these gambling games, I have friends who play AXIE and they tell me they play because they like it and not so much for the money, I really don't believe them, there are Always the interest of making money, I think they say it because they think someone is going to ask them for money or something like that. Everyone who enters casinos or games is obviously looking to make money, because I think that nobody likes to lose money, and I think that everyone likes money.

[Fredomago]

-Snip-

You're right, a lot of people say that they only play for fun, I don't know if they do it to avoid giving information or using it in a diplomatic way, but that's very easy, of course there are people who actually do, but out of every 1000 people 1, and none out of 100, so the odds are low, not only in these gambling games, I have friends who play AXIE and they tell me they play because they like it and not so much for the money, I really don't believe them, there are Always the interest of making money, I think they say it because they think someone is going to ask them for money or something like that. Everyone who enters casinos or games is obviously looking to make money, because I think that nobody likes to lose money, and I think that everyone likes money.

That part with AXIE hehehe  those who are playing this NFT games are more into money-making, I don't believe that they spend a huge amount of money to buy axie just because they are enjoying the game 

But it's the best way to protect yourself from someone who'll going to ask for money from you, so with those gamblers who are concerned with someone who'll going to lend them once they knew that they are winning from gambling.

There's the fun part but it's more enjoyable if you go out of casino winning some decent amount of money, you can have some beers and celebrate your successful play.

[Fortify]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

There are very few things that I agree with the Chinese government about, but they have got one tiny little thing right - which is limiting the exposure and length of time that kids have to computer games these days. It's building a rather slow and boring society where the only social interaction is taking place in virtual worlds. That does make it easier for companies to manipulate us with the sort of transactions you describe and the youngest - who's brains are still growing - can be stunted or morphed to these sort of addictive games. Once you have an addict in any form, they can often go to extreme lengths to keep fulfilling or repeating the same actions, such as buying items or virtual currency with whatever cash they have available to them.

[Lucasgabd]

-Snip-

You're right, a lot of people say that they only play for fun, I don't know if they do it to avoid giving information or using it in a diplomatic way, but that's very easy, of course there are people who actually do, but out of every 1000 people 1, and none out of 100, so the odds are low, not only in these gambling games, I have friends who play AXIE and they tell me they play because they like it and not so much for the money, I really don't believe them, there are Always the interest of making money, I think they say it because they think someone is going to ask them for money or something like that. Everyone who enters casinos or games is obviously looking to make money, because I think that nobody likes to lose money, and I think that everyone likes money.

That part with AXIE hehehe  those who are playing this NFT games are more into money-making, I don't believe that they spend a huge amount of money to buy axie just because they are enjoying the game 

But it's the best way to protect yourself from someone who'll going to ask for money from you, so with those gamblers who are concerned with someone who'll going to lend them once they knew that they are winning from gambling.

There's the fun part but it's more enjoyable if you go out of casino winning some decent amount of money, you can have some beers and celebrate your successful play.

I agree that most are probably playing for money but this doesnt mean the games aren't fun, there's a huge community on it too
and a huge fenomenom with the blue-chip NFTs like Punks, apes and mystic axies selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

definitely an interesting space to watch

[Fatunad]

-Snip-

You're right, a lot of people say that they only play for fun, I don't know if they do it to avoid giving information or using it in a diplomatic way, but that's very easy, of course there are people who actually do, but out of every 1000 people 1, and none out of 100, so the odds are low, not only in these gambling games, I have friends who play AXIE and they tell me they play because they like it and not so much for the money, I really don't believe them, there are Always the interest of making money, I think they say it because they think someone is going to ask them for money or something like that. Everyone who enters casinos or games is obviously looking to make money, because I think that nobody likes to lose money, and I think that everyone likes money.

That part with AXIE hehehe   those who are playing this NFT games are more into money-making, I don't believe that they spend a huge amount of money to buy axie just because they are enjoying the game  

But it's the best way to protect yourself from someone who'll going to ask for money from you, so with those gamblers who are concerned with someone who'll going to lend them once they knew that they are winning from gambling.

There's the fun part but it's more enjoyable if you go out of casino winning some decent amount of money, you can have some beers and celebrate your successful play.

I agree that most are probably playing for money but this doesnt mean the games aren't fun, there's a huge community on it too
and a huge fenomenom with the blue-chip NFTs like Punks, apes and mystic axies selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

definitely an interesting space to watch

It wouldnt really make that big or doesnt involved millions of dollars if it werent interesting  on the first place.Actually these are totally different markets which its understandable that when it comes to interest
then the amount involved  would neither be extraordinary or wouldn't really be that amazing at all.

As long there's demand and interest then you can really see these numbers that you never expect for a certain game or NFT's to reach on which is somewhat unusual or very rare.

[junmisakiro]

Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Basically, the age of children is the age of play. They have the instinct to find and solve challenges in a game. They are purely in pursuit of victory. This is for normal children. But if they have been taught from a young age to win money from a game of course this is not right. We also have to be wise for this problem there is a certain time that we can use to introduce it.

For good parents, of course, they must always supervise their children in using their gadgets and always see what games they download and play, because lately there are several online gambling applications disguised as children's games available on the App store. It is unfortunate if minors play gambling based games, this will become a bad habit for them.

[swogerino]

Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Basically, the age of children is the age of play. They have the instinct to find and solve challenges in a game. They are purely in pursuit of victory. This is for normal children. But if they have been taught from a young age to win money from a game of course this is not right. We also have to be wise for this problem there is a certain time that we can use to introduce it.

For good parents, of course, they must always supervise their children in using their gadgets and always see what games they download and play, because lately there are several online gambling applications disguised as children's games available on the App store. It is unfortunate if minors play gambling based games, this will become a bad habit for them.

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

[Shamm]

  I more comfortable in playing beside I've enjoyed I ease my bored. Since when I was a child I can not dennied to myself that I'm adding in playing specially now the Moba game which is the Mobile Legends I played also this game I felt challenging and fantastic that I can compete different players .But I also played gambling in my Liesure time it's also ease my bored and I separated my money according for my needs and wants.

[qory]

If I'm not mistaken this kind of methods was already used by the NFT games, like a game that has some type of gambling inside the game itself I was talking like creating new weapon for let's say $20 and you will randomly have different weapons price range from $10-$200 and it's a game of chance since you will not know what kind of item you will get or its rarity.

[nakamura12]

I haven't tried doing this on another games but I did tried to use in-game items to bet and win in-game items but a better one and that game is dota 2 but a game having a built-in gambling type feature that use real money and win real money is I never heard or know any game at all. I only play online video games which you can only buy in-game currency where you can use it to buy items/weapons or gamble it on a lotto or spin to win rare items or better equipment.

[Lucasgabd]

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It wouldnt really make that big or doesnt involved millions of dollars if it werent interesting  on the first place.Actually these are totally different markets which its understandable that when it comes to interest
then the amount involved  would neither be extraordinary or wouldn't really be that amazing at all.

As long there's demand and interest then you can really see these numbers that you never expect for a certain game or NFT's to reach on which is somewhat unusual or very rare.

it's crazy when you think about it but Axie is the biggest dapp in the world, first crypto applicaation to surpass 1 million daily active users and in the last 30 days had more than 3x revenue than ethereum as you can check on https://www.tokenterminal.com/ (300 million usd in the past 30 days)
I don't know what they are doing but they are doing it right.

but this is clear playing I'd say, not so many gambling elements on the gameplay

[michellee]

  I more comfortable in playing beside I've enjoyed I ease my bored. Since when I was a child I can not dennied to myself that I'm adding in playing specially now the Moba game which is the Mobile Legends I played also this game I felt challenging and fantastic that I can compete different players .But I also played gambling in my Liesure time it's also ease my bored and I separated my money according for my needs and wants.

When I was a kid, I am playing games for a long time. I do not eat anything because I do not want to miss anything from the games. I feel I am addicted too as you but fortunately, when I grew up, I can stop the addiction because I met many people in my school and made my day busy every day. That happens too in the gambling games because I am not too late to stop gambling as I have been accepted in one office that gives me a chance to make money instead of losing the money on the gambling table.

It is not normal to see a child have an addiction in the games because I can look at what happened to me when I was a kid. I do not want to see my kids playing the games all day long and I do not even want to see them playing gambling because the risk is too big for them.

[carlisle1]

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It wouldnt really make that big or doesnt involved millions of dollars if it werent interesting  on the first place.Actually these are totally different markets which its understandable that when it comes to interest
then the amount involved  would neither be extraordinary or wouldn't really be that amazing at all.

As long there's demand and interest then you can really see these numbers that you never expect for a certain game or NFT's to reach on which is somewhat unusual or very rare.

it's crazy when you think about it but Axie is the biggest dapp in the world, first crypto applicaation to surpass 1 million daily active users and in the last 30 days had more than 3x revenue than ethereum as you can check on https://www.tokenterminal.com/ (300 million usd in the past 30 days)
I don't know what they are doing but they are doing it right.

but this is clear playing I'd say, not so many gambling elements on the gameplay

It was a success journey from this team, seeing how much support they've got from all the players and investors all over the world.

Like what you noticed, whatever they've done they completely do it right, more support from time to time and if you'll see how much worth profits
for holders just holders itself, they are really enjoying this NFT game.

[Kittygalore]

~

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

[Lucasgabd]

~

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

forcing people to do what WE want them to do instead of what THEY want is never a good idea and can result in trauma, I'd never educate a kid like that, the way is stimulating curiosity and exploration of the world.

but yes, not all kids will do things like that since luck also played a role on this situation

[RealMalatesta]

I sort of "like" the risky elements in the games. For example, one of the games I played the most in my life is NBA2K (played over 3k hours total) and they have this my team thing where you open cards and sometimes it is a very good player or sometimes it sucks and you spend money on it. You could get that money by playing or you could just buy it, I play it anyway so I do it with that a lot, but there were times in my life where I made a lot of money, in my nation inflation is 43% so I use every money I have right now on surviving, but back in the day the money I made (nearly same to now) was soooo much more, and I used it for buying coins to open packs.

It was seriously entertaining, sometimes it hurt me because I spent money and got nothing, but in the end it was always nothing, think about it you are spending it on a game, even if you get 10 of best ever cards, it is useless because you can't sell it. So, I really liked it and kept doing it.

[Quidat]

~

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

forcing people to do what WE want them to do instead of what THEY want is never a good idea and can result in trauma, I'd never educate a kid like that, the way is stimulating curiosity and exploration of the world.

but yes, not all kids will do things like that since luck also played a role on this situation

Not all would really be open to everything which means it would neither create some interest/curiosity or would create out some trauma and its true that its never been a good idea.
As we grow old we do able to realize up things along the way and of course with proper guidance and having that good self awareness then you could really possibly able to
avoid those things as you do go ahead.We do have our own self will on which one we would tend to engage on.

[macson]

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

not all children have the same interests and children who have an interest in coding are rare.  when nft hype, many make quite unique, strange and interesting works imo but only a few are successful.  i live in a multi-cultural area and the children here have different interests, some like playing games, studying ^{(coding, math etc)}, gambling ^{(not gambling like casinos)} and reading books.

[paxmao]

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

not all children have the same interests and children who have an interest in coding are rare.  when nft hype, many make quite unique, strange and interesting works imo but only a few are successful.  i live in a multi-cultural area and the children here have different interests, some like playing games, studying ^{(coding, math etc)}, gambling ^{(not gambling like casinos)} and reading books.

It is rare that children get interested in code straight away, I have seen some "camps" that take them to learn basic coding, which is simply giving some instructions to an automaton, like the old "logos" programming language and drawing something on a screen or making a robot move. I would argue that coding as such is not coding until you have at least three variables. Anything else is just kids play, which is educational, but just that.

[goaldigger]

on the other hand there's also these genius kids,
have you guys seen this?
A 12-year-old kid coded his own NFT project and made $160K in a day — an interview.

controlling time and directing kids energies to good things instead of bad things may be ways to go

Not every kid is like that kid, remember that if we force them to do things that we know they aren't interested in, they won't excel from it, it's just a good thing and a chance that this kid is interested in making these kinds of things. Of course teaching them good hobbies can help but we have to be careful not to drown them from expectations.

not all children have the same interests and children who have an interest in coding are rare.  when nft hype, many make quite unique, strange and interesting works imo but only a few are successful.  i live in a multi-cultural area and the children here have different interests, some like playing games, studying ^{(coding, math etc)}, gambling ^{(not gambling like casinos)} and reading books.

That’s their unique interest and every child have their own business in mind, some wants only to play and some wants to take more details and used it into something new. Gambling is not for them, they may solve the code but we should not allow them to gamble because for sure, they can’t still handle their emotion. If something like video games in casinos or what, I’d rather play and have fun than to fully gamble, its more fun to play video games.

[South Park]

Those people saying that they are just playing for fun isn't the reality to found. No, they will spend money and time as their main goal is to win if they are lucky and these people could literally get mad once they lose.
These days, we found out that young ages are already exposed to this thing. They might just come and started with a simple game but we sometimes notice that these guys are using this for gambling. This has now become a problem as there is no age restriction and that will be hard to control in the future.

You're right, a lot of people say that they only play for fun, I don't know if they do it to avoid giving information or using it in a diplomatic way, but that's very easy, of course there are people who actually do, but out of every 1000 people 1, and none out of 100, so the odds are low, not only in these gambling games, I have friends who play AXIE and they tell me they play because they like it and not so much for the money, I really don't believe them, there are Always the interest of making money, I think they say it because they think someone is going to ask them for money or something like that. Everyone who enters casinos or games is obviously looking to make money, because I think that nobody likes to lose money, and I think that everyone likes money.

If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

[Betwrong]

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

[Lucasgabd]

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

[alpamar99]

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

but often the case that now happens is the opposite
maybe not all but there are cases especially in my country when parents are not smarter than their children, especially in using electronic devices such as gadgets etc.
this is a problem that often arises they even ask their children to be taught how to use their gadgets and they don't even understand what the system is in the gadget, how to use the features and maybe they don't even understand what children play. so it is very difficult to limit the rights.

[Quidat]

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

but often the case that now happens is the opposite
maybe not all but there are cases especially in my country when parents are not smarter than their children, especially in using electronic devices such as gadgets etc.
this is a problem that often arises they even ask their children to be taught how to use their gadgets and they don't even understand what the system is in the gadget, how to use the features and maybe they don't even understand what children play. so it is very difficult to limit the rights.

Actually true because parents could really be possibly outdated when it comes to technology and accessibility on things because no matter how you do get rid of your child to connect through online as long it does have its own mobile phone then tendency or chances would really be there.Due to this hi-tech era then its impossible that children couldnt really make any access if they do really tend to play something or things that do interest them then its really hard for them to be stopped if you do intent to prohibit and they would really be finding ways as much as they can.

[boyptc]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

That's surely for having fun.

But what makes it more fun if there's a bet for each of those people sitting on the table. Well, games that have in-game casinos and such as poker tables.

They're more enjoyable especially if you're playing with strangers and a few known people of yours on the other side.

[Betwrong]

~

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Haha! Tell me about it! I've spent many hundreds of hours playing such games, or tournaments with $1 prize pool.  Indeed, I was playing those games for the sake of learning and improving, and also for the fun of it. What's interesting(back to the topic) is that it never occurred to me to start playing with real money at the time. I was playing only free to enter tournaments and was happy with that. So, I think there are good chances that underage players exposed to a roulette game inside of another game won't even think of gambling with real money.

[poldanmig]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

That's surely for having fun.

But what makes it more fun if there's a bet for each of those people sitting on the table. Well, games that have in-game casinos and such as poker tables.

They're more enjoyable especially if you're playing with strangers and a few known people of yours on the other side.

I think games on a computer or smartphone, such as poker that uses coins or the like (not real currency) are quite fun games and even I personally do it and I consider the game only as a place to practice in understanding the character of the game, even though the game is has a different atmosphere from when we play directly on the table, but I think this game can give us some good experiences and tricks, to face our opponents when playing real on the table.

[ipanks]

Good parents are the ones who keep a limit on everything their children do,in a tablet and in the app store they can install the games for their kids and then completely disable access to that app.Also good parents are the one who limit which websites their children can access and make sure the most notoriously known gambling websites are blocked,they also have setup their children laptop to not use VPN-s and give the kids only a normal user account and not an Administrator account.Although this does not guarantee 100% protection it is a great step toward that.

but often the case that now happens is the opposite
maybe not all but there are cases especially in my country when parents are not smarter than their children, especially in using electronic devices such as gadgets etc.
this is a problem that often arises they even ask their children to be taught how to use their gadgets and they don't even understand what the system is in the gadget, how to use the features and maybe they don't even understand what children play. so it is very difficult to limit the rights.

Maybe those parents need to learn how to use the gadget to know what their kids are doing when they are not doing their homework. I think that will be worth it as they can guide their children and maybe learn together but the parents still get control of their children's.

It seems the parents just let their kids by themselves without guiding them to find the good lesson for what they want. If the parents are aware that they can not always be beside their kids, they will figure out what the parents must do for their kids and ensure that their kids do not use their gadgets for the wrong thing.

[jrrsparkles]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

[Lordshiva]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

[Lucasgabd]

~

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Haha! Tell me about it! I've spent many hundreds of hours playing such games, or tournaments with $1 prize pool.  Indeed, I was playing those games for the sake of learning and improving, and also for the fun of it. What's interesting(back to the topic) is that it never occurred to me to start playing with real money at the time. I was playing only free to enter tournaments and was happy with that. So, I think there are good chances that underage players exposed to a roulette game inside of another game won't even think of gambling with real money.

Have you heard of the Flow State?
the first to talk about it was a psychologist called Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
He says flow is the secret to happiness, and some say it is the fuel of learning.
I wouldn't be surprised to know that many people who seek gambling are just looking for a source of flow, and find it in gambling activities

of course, the money aspect of it and the varied outcomes makes it way more exciting!

[Pamadar]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

Not good as it can corrupt young minds, introducing gambling to young age may lead them into addictions,

Most of them will find this venue as a good source of making money, imagine by just playing games and compete with other players
you have the chance to win money.

Parents need to take extra efforts to make sure that their children are far from these gamings, limiting or taking time to discuss
this kind of possible addiction problem even in this early stage gives the child an idea how bad the damages can take them if they'll going to proceed and not to listen with their parents.

[South Park]

~ If we are honest with ourselves it is obvious that at the back of our minds there is always the possibility of making some money when we are gambling, after all if that was not true then a person will be happy playing gambling games without using any money as there are many websites that allow you to play for free or play one of the many video games that allow you to simulate casino games without the need to spend a single cent, however I think those that say that are playing for fun what they are really saying is that they do not really care if they win or lose, they will gamble anyway, and if they win then that this just a nice bonus but it is not their main reason to gamble.

Nicely put. Indeed, if there is no real money involved, it's not much of a fun, so if we want to have fun we have to bet some real money, maybe a very small amount, just a fraction of a cent, but still real money so that in a case of incredible luck, we could win something tangible, like $20-$30.

Back to the topic, is it gambling, when we play, say, a roulette inside of a game, where no real money involved? I think it's not. Just as killing inside a game isn't real killing.

Gambling as we know includes the possibility of losing something or winning something, if we play any of the gambling games that are famous like roulette, poker or blackjack but we are not using money then we're not really gambling and we are just playing a game, in fact one thing that I have noticed is that if we play those games without any money involved very quickly you are going to realize that the games are really boring and you will obtain more entertainment playing any other board games like monopoly, it is the risk of winning or losing money that gives gambling its charm.

[KTChampions]

Yes totally agree with you, A lot of games now offers gambling in-game options and it have almost became a trend now .
It is certainly not good for underaged players because they get introduced to gambling way before their age which is surely not good for them.

This kind of monetization is almost inevitable for any free game. Developers need to be paid, plus there are many other infrastructural expenditures necessary for the game to be available to players. Another thing is that this can be done in the form of purchases of items in the game, and not "gambling" for these items with unclear chances.

[DoublerHunter]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

[Hypnosis00]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

They will not survive if they just rely on the allowance, but addiction will make them do everything and they'll find a way to gamble, and it might result for them stealing money which is not good. That's why prevention is always better than cure, so as a parent, we should monitor our children as they are minors, weak and easily get addicted, whatever happen to them, nothing to be blame by us.

[Kyraishi]

Are you talking about features that resemble opening cases/other events of chance which are integrated into games?

I think that the first thing everyone needs to realise is that even though it is integrated in a game and has a pretty shell, it is 100% still gambling. It's just that if you open these crates, or gamble within a video game, your RTP odds are going to slip significantly as the house edge is notoriously high.

Opening CSGO cases I believe has an over >50% house edge, yet people do it all the time - fair play to them though, if it brings them more entertainment than traditional gambling, although definitely a waste of money.

[Hamphser]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

They will not survive if they just rely on the allowance, but addiction will make them do everything and they'll find a way to gamble, and it might result for them stealing money which is not good. That's why prevention is always better than cure, so as a parent, we should monitor our children as they are minors, weak and easily get addicted, whatever happen to them, nothing to be blame by us.

There's no other person to be blamed but only you as a parent but not totally because there are really some decisions which cant really be handled out by parents but totally in self will.

This is why its better to give out some awareness and let them realize that gambling is never been a good thing specially on young minds.It will just create or mold something which would

really be a big problem in the future. As a kid or a son then you shouldnt really be that too hasty on dealing up with things which is connected to gambling.

[Kasabus]

Find the audience for your game then make them to be addicted and then make money out of it that is their strategy and its one of its kind, people who are obsessed with that game will go for it no matter what and certainly it is expensive and high risk than compared with a casino where we have lot of choices.

^ I think it will always depend on the users, there are some people who only want to play the game not to gamble. For others, also want to gamble not to play. I don't think if underage will be able to become addicted to gambling in such game, they don't have money to support that kind of activity at the first place and most likely those young teenagers are like more having fun than looking for money online and gamble, they are dependent to their parents when it comes to the financial aspect so I don't think they will able to survive gambling if they want to.

They will not survive if they just rely on the allowance, but addiction will make them do everything and they'll find a way to gamble, and it might result for them stealing money which is not good. That's why prevention is always better than cure, so as a parent, we should monitor our children as they are minors, weak and easily get addicted, whatever happen to them, nothing to be blame by us.

There's no other person to be blamed but only you as a parent but not totally because there are really some decisions which cant really be handled out by parents but totally in self will.

This is why its better to give out some awareness and let them realize that gambling is never been a good thing specially on young minds.It will just create or mold something which would

really be a big problem in the future. As a kid or a son then you shouldnt really be that too hasty on dealing up with things which is connected to gambling.

There's a reason why casinos would only allow you to gamble if you are already at the right age, though they say if you have money to lose, you are welcome, they also have a responsibility to ensure that they'll follow the guidelines from the regulators and that is not to allow minors to gamble.

With the advent of crypto, it has become easy for minors to access, a simple game may lead to serious gambling and since crypto casinos are not fully regulated, there's a big risk that their children will be hook if without guidance.

[worldofcoins]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

[ralle14]

Not good as it can corrupt young minds, introducing gambling to young age may lead them into addictions,

Most of them will find this venue as a good source of making money, imagine by just playing games and compete with other players
you have the chance to win money.

Most games that distribute their cosmetics through lootboxes isn't really a good source of money as not all games allow you to sell cosmetics. Sure you can sell the account but what I want to say it's one of the worst ways to make money as you're likely going to spend more on your accounts and you won't break even from selling it.

As a kid or a son then you shouldnt really be that too hasty on dealing up with things which is connected to gambling.

They can't really avoid this situation as there's way too many gambling content posted in the internet.

[aioc]

I am sure most of you have played videogames of one short or another and many have noticed that may offer gambling in-game options - I am thinking mostly of Role Games and MMPORGs -  like implementing a casino or some short of fortune game. As an old example, Fallout New Vegas has an in-built game called Caravans, but you can play blackjack, roulette, etc... Newer games that are free to play or cheap to play offer lotteries that award prices such as unique or rare in-game items...

There is currently quite an effort on using these techniques in games that should not be about gambling or chances playing and some people may find undesirable. Is this going too far? What type of effect may this game on underaged players?

This will have a bad effect on children being exposed to betting that will lead them to gamble and end up in casinos, parents should check what's on the game site that their children are playing and they should be aware of the existence of these fortune games, it's ok for adults they can handle this thing, but not for children, they should be the one to pick what gaming site should their children are playing to avoid a bad repercussion to their children.

[Lucasgabd]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

[Cling18]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

In some rural areas, poker is being played only for fun snd entertainment purposes. It's also fun to play even without any amount of money involved. It's also a strategic game that we could enjoy even without money but most gamblers find it more enjoyable with money. Other than poker, there are also entertainjng gambling games thar we could find around us.

[bitzizzix]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

I think poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, although there is an element of luck, skill will prevail in the long run.
And besides, manipulating the situation is also very important in playing poker. I mean we have to be good at acting in the game when we have good or bad cards and bluff at the right time and that doesn't mean you keep doing that method throughout the game and there are good moments to do it.
Poker is a relaxing game and can also test your adrenaline when your opponent is bluffing when the bet is added and if your cards are not convincing better not to do it and vice versa and that's luck.

[Yamifoud]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

I think poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, although there is an element of luck, skill will prevail in the long run.
And besides, manipulating the situation is also very important in playing poker. I mean we have to be good at acting in the game when we have good or bad cards and bluff at the right time and that doesn't mean you keep doing that method throughout the game and there are good moments to do it.
Poker is a relaxing game and can also test your adrenaline when your opponent is bluffing when the bet is added and if your cards are not convincing better not to do it and vice versa and that's luck.

We can make use of our skill in this game but it needs more luck in order to win. This is how gambling is meant to be, it is very simple. But f course, having a long experience in a poker game and really have good skills in this, it becomes our advantage to the others, especially for beginners. But still, in general, LUCK will help it out and having a  huge chance of winning.

[Tumanggor]

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This will have a bad effect on children being exposed to betting that will lead them to gamble and end up in casinos, parents should check what's on the game site that their children are playing and they should be aware of the existence of these fortune games, it's ok for adults they can handle this thing, but not for children, they should be the one to pick what gaming site should their children are playing to avoid a bad repercussion to their children.

parents are getting more and more difficult to control their children's online activities because children are smart enough to hide things
Parents are required to be more observant in seeing changes in behavior in their children because when children are involved in gambling in games, it will be difficult to be advised

I still remember when I was in school, I often gambled on PS2 and we bet on the football team there
I'm very addicted, and it made me have to move house several times to get rid of my addiction to soccer betting on PS2

[Fredomago]

We can make use of our skill in this game but it needs more luck in order to win. This is how gambling is meant to be, it is very simple. But f course, having a long experience in a poker game and really have good skills in this, it becomes our advantage to the others, especially for beginners. But still, in general, LUCK will help it out and having a  huge chance of winning.

Luck helps you a lot and if you know how to maximize your luck together with your skills and experienced your chance to bank lots of profits is really possible.

Experienced dictates on how you'll play the game with all those set up plans, better to have a good system to follow while playing the game.

Together with your skills, finding luck playing beside you increases your chance to take every single edge you have while you are inside the table. It gives you good opportunities to win and with good experience; you know when to stop to enjoy your profits.

[boyptc]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

That's surely for having fun.

But what makes it more fun if there's a bet for each of those people sitting on the table. Well, games that have in-game casinos and such as poker tables.

They're more enjoyable especially if you're playing with strangers and a few known people of yours on the other side.

I think games on a computer or smartphone, such as poker that uses coins or the like (not real currency) are quite fun games and even I personally do it and I consider the game only as a place to practice in understanding the character of the game, even though the game is has a different atmosphere from when we play directly on the table, but I think this game can give us some good experiences and tricks, to face our opponents when playing real on the table.

There are those practiceable apps that will make you improve your poker skills. I've played a few of them long time ago when I'm looking for a pastime.

But still playing on the real table with real bets, online or offline, game or not, as long as it's the usual poker that we're playing, it's more fun.

[alegotardo]

For me, luck is a hard to understand concept. Sometimes I have evenings where I am winnings almost every game and everything goes in my favour. But then I have evenings where everything is going against me, I just can't turn any profit. And in both cases I use the exact same strategy. It's best to not press our luck and just take the loss and try on another day again. It is just very brutal sometimes to see how fast we can lose our money again. That is also why I just prefer to play games instead of gambling sometimes.

As trustworthy as the site is, sometimes I think it's not all luck, but a manipulation of the site.
A trusted site has tools that allow you to check bets, but we know that players don't verify when they're winning. so think with to me... if sites manipulate to you win a lot and accumulate a considerable amount of money (since no one will check the bets at these times) and then "back to normal" to make you lose everything to force you to deposit more money to maybe regain that luck?

Am I "fantasizing" too much?

[Smartprofit]

totally agree that gambling with real money is not the same as without it, but there are games cool to be played even without money, poker is a good example, some people play it in an autotelic way, just for the sake of playing, learning and improving, not necessarily in a "gambling way"

Yes, games are poker are good examples where you don't gamble money but still use your luck.
Many people despise poker saying it's gambling and so on, and I don't blame them, People who become quite good in poker and start to read the percentage of their combinations in poker are more likely to gamble with real money and the thought in their mined for doing that will be "If you are good at something then why do it for free"

luck plays a role but there's one thing even more important: skill.
you can study and improve on poker, learning about math and techniques
so of course it will be easier if you have the best cards all the time but this is not the only factor to help somebody to win

Yes, poker is a very interesting example of a game of chance that is not solely based on luck.  

The professional poker player is a mathematician with an analytical mindset.  An excellent poker player is an expert in the field of mathematical probability theory and (at the same time) an experienced psychologist - physiognomist.  Also, offline - the poker player must be a top-notch actor.  You need to be very adept at hiding your emotions.  At the same time, you need to calibrate the emotions of other people.  Professional poker players are highly intelligent people.

Elite of the modern world.

[cabalism13]

There are those practiceable apps that will make you improve your poker skills. I've played a few of them long time ago when I'm looking for a pastime.

you mean your bluff skills 🤣 been playing poker up until now and mostly it a matter of bluffs, I haven't known anyone yet whose good at cards on this game.
And btw from these apps available at playstore its even better to play with bots or not maybe (still depends on the difficulty)

[worldofcoins]

I think poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, although there is an element of luck, skill will prevail in the long run.
And besides, manipulating the situation is also very important in playing poker. I mean we have to be good at acting in the game when we have good or bad cards and bluff at the right time and that doesn't mean you keep doing that method throughout the game and there are good moments to do it.
Poker is a relaxing game and can also test your adrenaline when your opponent is bluffing when the bet is added and if your cards are not convincing better not to do it and vice versa and that's luck.

Through skill yes but what if people who are at a level as you in terms of skill in poker even then the luck is necessary,
For example not always win with double Aces or Pre-Flop by going all in.

But making the call to go all-in at the beginning with double aces forces other players to make their choice as they aren't sure if their cards will beat the one who called All-In.

So I'd say mind games with luck more than skill but playing mind games is also a skill.