BitRoul.com the only Roulette with no Zero and a solid Provably Fair

[lemarin2]

  
Hi There !

    www.BitRoul.com

    also available on mobiles without app : www.BitRoul.com

Nice to speak with you about our crazy new gambling site :
BitRoul.com as said is a defy the gravity law .
No Zero , no Cheat , a very solid (for the player ) Provably Fair feature .

And for now , no commission . Don't promise that rate it will last , but Enjoy .

I pay 500 Usd if you prove any fail in the Provably fair , whether or not at the advantage of the player .

When creating an account , you receive play money to test .

Thanks to you .

Pierre-Peter
(not really a newbie : account created in 2018)

[acroman08]

is this an announcement thread? are you part of their marketing team?

if you want to entice users into biting into your dare. I suggest using an escrow. there are escrow services here in the forum for you to use (here's the link Recommended bitcointalk escrow services

also, I can't seem to find their ToS. it just says "Pls write you content....." the website has been around for four months, it's weird that they still don't have a TOS.

[lemarin2]

Hello Dear Hero member .

I am the proud founder of the site , it is not a white brand one , or a servile copy of any .

And yes it is a ... Beta announcement . The site is playable , bug free ( as much as we tested) .

You are true to point out the lack of T and C , we work on it .

The site has not really been around for a couple of months . It was hidden while working on the details .

We have still a long to do list , but consider we are aimed by a positive vibe : have the thrill of gambling not devastating for players .

Thanks a lot for the interest you witness for us .

Pierre-Peter

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

You've been in the forum for a long time already so I don't think that you don't know how to create a proper announcement thread, you might want to edit this and make sure that all that we need to see and know is going to be in your thread starter.

[Haunebu]

Your poor ANN presentation left bad first impressions op. You could have shared the link to the site itself properly. The site itself is plain and bland overall. You should have introduced it once it was fully ready.

The FAQ section needs to answer important queries like minimum deposit, minimum withdrawal etc. Also, you need to provide a clear answer regarding how your site can continue to function without the zero in the wheel op.

[lemarin2]

 Hello Dear Hero member , and by the way competitor .

    I could have some words about your site , you were among the first , congrats . For the rest , let the players be judge .
    
    Plain and bland could be sweet words if translated into Simple , Direct .

    and your "Provably fair" feature could be discussed . You know what I mean .
 
    www.BitRoul.com is by far superior to other roulette competitors , for many reasons , including a RTP of 100 pc .

    

[acroman08]

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not sure why you took offense to what he said. I mean Haunebu has a point. recognizing the problem he pointed would be the best way to take action about it. getting emotional about what he said wouldn't solve anything. also, going to argue about how other gambling site functions just because he criticized the gambling site would just leave a bad taste to other members that would visit this thread.

[lemarin2]

            The words "poor" ,"bad" , "plain" , " bland" , used by a firmly settled competitor is not really a proof of welcome . You can always argue that the points are real , but in terms of design , well ,let my people go . Where is the bad taste .
            I am not offensed , but without love , everything is evil .
      
   Pierre-Peter .
  

[panjul07]

           The words "poor" ,"bad" , "plain" , " bland" , used by a firmly settled competitor is not really a proof of welcome . You can always argue that the points are real , but in terms of design , well ,let my peole go . Where is the bad taste .
            I am not offensed , but without love , everything is evil .
      
   Pierre-Peter .

Calling above posters who give honest opinion as a post from competitor shows that you feel of being offended.
They are not competitor, they are just forum members here who can be potential players.
If you respond honest opinion/feedback/critiques like that, how can you grow up?
You should take all opinion/feedback as a motivation for you to make your site better, if you cant accept feedback then you should not even create a thread here for your site.
Even old reputable sites still get some critiques/negative feedback, but you know how they respond to it?

[acroman08]

           The words "poor" ,"bad" , "plain" , " bland" , used by a firmly settled competitor is not really a proof of welcome. You can always argue that the points are real , but in terms of design , well ,let my peole go . Where is the bad taste .
            I am not offensed , but without love , everything is evil .
      
   Pierre-Peter .

is Haunebu part of crypto.game's staff? because as far as I know, Haunebu is just part of their signature campaign which isn't really part of crypto.game's team or staff. campaigners have their own opinion they do not get an order from their employer to negatively talk about other gambling sites. just because they wear the signature of a gambling site that you deem a competitor doesn't mean that they are trying to discourage you. members can be harsh with words so it's either you thicken your skin up or be negatively affected by them.

[yahoo62278]

Ok 1st of all, Welcome to the forum officially! Now, on to my impression of the site. Let's start with you can only bet numbers. You cannot place a chip on 2 numbers or 4 numbers like regular roulette. Haven't decided if I like that or not yet.

Then check out these screen shots.



In this screenshot, you'll see that every win is 99.99999999. It does not give the correct payout. I'm betting 25 on all the numbers I pick except 20 where i was betting 100. On the numbers that have 25 on them, the win is 900 which is 36-1 and the correct payout.



In this 2nd screenshot, it shows what numbers I bet and the amount. The number 20 hit and I was paid 900 coins, where I should have been paid 3600. Just a few things I have found that need a tweak.

Another thing I just found, I bet 400 chips on 2nd 12 numbers, 13-24, and was paid 300 chips on a win. Normally 3-1 on regular roulette but never should i lose money on a win there.

[lemarin2]

Hi and thank you for the welcome yahoo 62278

As declared in my first message , up to 500 usd can reward any help to bug fixing -mainly the Provably Fair because we made some efforts on that .

We are checking your screens .

[Reatim]

Hello Dear Hero member .

I am the proud founder of the site , it is not a white brand one , or a servile copy of any .

And yes it is a ... Beta announcement . The site is playable , bug free ( as much as we tested) .

You are true to point out the lack of T and C , we work on it .

The site has not really been around for a couple of months . It was hidden while working on the details .

We have still a long to do list , but consider we are aimed by a positive vibe : have the thrill of gambling not devastating for players .

Thanks a lot for the interest you witness for us .

Pierre-Peter

Since you are the founder i think you must realized that this is not how the ANN thread creation must be and how to attract and encourage gamblers to play on your site.

I think hiring someone with Best knowledge and skills will help you out on this.



But it is our prerogative mate, and also Wanna congratulate you guys from promoting you site here in bitcointalk.

Hoping that this will not be for short term operation and legitimacy is the most important thing.

[lemarin2]

Thank you reatim ,

I feel honoured to be welcome in your community .
I will try to bring my personal view of fairness and honesty to this strange industry .

It starts badly for me : a stress test shows big lacks in our control .

see you .

[lemarin2]

 answer to the yahoo 62278 stress test :

  As it was already declared ,so far  we have not settled any maximum bet size .
  you put the finger where its painful .
 The big size of your bets is the source of the issues .
 The pay out is capped , before next version that will integrate the management of the maximum bet size .
 anyway , even in this circumstance  if you can show that you made the bet , you will be paid accordingly to the general rules of roulette payment that will be added in the Terms and Conditions very soon .

  

[Haunebu]

           The words "poor" ,"bad" , "plain" , " bland" , used by a firmly settled competitor is not really a proof of welcome . You can always argue that the points are real , but in terms of design , well ,let my people go . Where is the bad taste .
            I am not offensed , but without love , everything is evil .
      
   Pierre-Peter .

You got offended by the words 'plain', 'bland', 'poor' and 'bad'? Seriously? You don't stand a chance in this crazy competitive industry with that kind of attitude. As @acroman08 mentioned above, you need to thicken your skin if you want to take on the competition.

Also, love? Did you think that this is some kind of fantasy land or something? My interest in your site has dropped considerably.

[hauzenberg]

I really like non-standard casinos and casino games, I play them a lot. I'm not a big fun of classic dice / mines / plinko games, etc. So, this has a good potential but you really need to make a better ANN thread.

I have two questions:

1. How do you plan to make money with 0% house edge?
2. If you don't make money with this casino, how would you be able to pay out players? Or even better question: how big is your bankroll?

Also, I have found a two ways how you (house) can cheat on us (gamblers) and that your provably fair system is fail.

Your provably fair is based on

Code:

SHA512(Server Seed + Client Seed + Nonce)

First of all, in provably fair systems HOUSE CANNOT CHANGE server seed until client seed is changed (or they can but must use pre-generated next server seed before user setting his own client seed). Right now, your server seed is changed with every bet and that's a problem because house can teach how gambler is playing (for example martingale strategy using only RED bets) and house can prepare next server seed which is black!

Second issue with your provably fair is Nonce. You use CURRENT TIME as Nonce and there is no strictly definition when Nonce is created. For example, house can change Nonce a few seconds up and mess with result.

Example round:
server seed: 3s6B2CpPj0f3YruYoCclVbquhdxihwk3iBCu0gP2fafSh8WLht
client seed: hauzenberg123
nonce: 10:30:35

Code:

SHA512('3s6B2CpPj0f3YruYoCclVbquhdxihwk3iBCu0gP2fafSh8WLhthauzenberg12310:30:35')
roll number: 3 (odd / red)

if house pretends to be busy (slow server) it can change Nonce to 10:30:36 and result is:

Code:

SHA512('3s6B2CpPj0f3YruYoCclVbquhdxihwk3iBCu0gP2fafSh8WLhthauzenberg12310:30:36')
roll number: 6 (even / black)

[lemarin2]

hi Hauzenberg ,

Your message is clever and relevant .

  There will be some day a bizness model , but no rush, I have tons of tasks in my todolists .
  First renew and refresh the image and the fact of the roulette .
 
  about the Provably fair , you are perfectly right when you say that the nonce is not a perfect protection , in the cases where :
  - the player bets on red/black , odd/even ...
 and the player does not exercise his power to issue a new seed .
 
  the provably fair remains a struggle between the house and the player ,
 I want to give the player the opportunity to be 50/50 with the house .
 But the player could niglect this opportunity .

  In the case you describe , all the problem is to facilitate the change of the seed by the player .
  The Bitroul  i present is not yet efiicient on that point , but a next version will change the game .

 Also if my nonce : the time is not the best one , it is much much better than the ones like : nonce=previous nonce+1

 

[Woodie]

Roulette with no zero wow, I must try this one, but are the payouts the same for everything else like the columns,  even and odd, corner bets...

Because without that 0 my winning chances just went over the roof.

"No cheat" how do you guarantee this, because game manipulations aren't new to gambling.

[hauzenberg]

You didn't answer me about site's bankroll and way of earning... I'm highroller and I want to try your site but I'm not sure about how much your bankroll is big in case I win. And because of 50/50 and no house edge there is pretty good chance if I deposit high amount that I will have some profits on your site...

So, about provably fair issue, am I qualified for $500?