Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

[Igebotz]

Instead of having multiple email addresses for each person who can do the whitelisting, why don't you guys create a shared account that you will all have access to?

Having a shared email account is a welcome development but...the limitation is endless since there is no requirements on who to be whitelisted it's all personal judgement thing for example if A, B and C shared an account there is every possibility that B and C would want to check into the application that A marked as Rejected to see why the application was rejected in the first place and there is 40%-60% chances that either B or C would be like " oh c'mon I like what this user wrote why did user A rejected him? Why is he taking this whitelisting so personal? I would have to look into all his accepted or rejected application from time to time"

Shared email account would create doubts, privacy of personal judgement would be defeated, reputation would be damaged ( user C or B would not want to recommend user A in the future for his poor judgment ).

The best way is to have different emails to ease pressure or whatever the whitelisting is not a big deal anyways because 98% of those that would be applying are banned users anyways. This is an act of recycling.

If everyone has their own email, users could apply to be whitelisted with multiple people. Rejected by #1 and #2, but accepted by #3. This would prevent that unless they come back with an alt account.

Shared email won't solve this problem either, if Bob first request got rejected by user A there is 98% chances that Bob would create another email address and send back his application and this time User B would be the one opening it.

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[Welsh]

Instead of having multiple email addresses for each person who can do the whitelisting, why don't you guys create a shared account that you will all have access to? I am sure that the 5 or 6 of you tasked to do it can trust each other to share the same password. You also know enough to not get phished, keylogged, etc.  

Its probably the best approach if the workload is unmanageable. Since, I've literally not received an email, but it seems that LoyceV has which is probably due to the fact that users are reading through this thread, until they find the first email address, and not reading the rest or the replies here.

So, it'll probably result in LoyceV having the majority of the emails, and the rest of us will get a few every now, and again which leak through.

Shared email won't solve this problem either, if Bob first request got rejected by user A there is 98% chances that Bob would create another email address and send back his application and this time User B would be the one opening it.

Shared or not, you would get this issue either way as it will be up to the person that is reviewing it at the time. So, peoples success might actually depend on the discretion of the person that's reviewing it whether that's through a shared email or separate ones. In fact, here on the forum we have a shared system for reviewing reports. Basically, a lot of staff can see the same reports in the queue, but how its handled is down to the discretion of that individual moderator so it can sometimes vary on the action taken.

[Pmalek]

I think it would be a good idea if this thread became a sticky in Beginners & Help. I have PMed theymos about it, so let's see if he agrees. If LoyceV keeps it updated with information about other whitelisters as well, it can be the go-to place for everything concerning newbie whitelisting.   

[NotATether]

I suggest sharing the list of usernames you get from your email with the other whitelisters and immediately request theymos for a ban if someone's sending requests to all of you at once. Not if someone sends mail to another user after waiting some time for a response from one person, but the kind of requests that you see e.g. loan scammers doing (requesting on all the lending threads at once).

And immediately revoke whitelisting status for accounts that have been hacked as well.

[LoyceV]

I suggest sharing the list of usernames you get from your email with the other whitelisters and immediately request theymos for a ban if someone's sending requests to all of you at once.

I'm not sharing usernames yet. Weirdly, I've received several emails without their username.
I think asking for bans would be excessive (for now).

[UserU]

I believe this topic should be pinned/ featured (like the latest announcement) or at least offered on the blacklisted page itself for blacklisted users.

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[LoyceV]

I believe this topic should be pinned/ featured (like the latest announcement) or at least offered on the blacklisted page itself for blacklisted users.

I checked yesterday: This topic is mentioned on the "unable to post"-page already. I created a test user through Tor, and it was charged the maximum amount on evil fees.
I didn't screenshot it, and didn't keep the password.

[Pmalek]

I believe this topic should be pinned/ featured (like the latest announcement) or at least offered on the blacklisted page itself for blacklisted users.

I suggested to theymos to make it a sticky in Beginners and Help, but he doesn't think it's necessary. According to the PM he sent me, he already linked to this thread on the page that asks users to pay the evil fee. If someone wants to check and see how it looks, registering a new account with a free VPN service will probably trigger the evil-fee system for you.

[Upgrade00]

Emails are starting to pile up. I must say they make it very easy to reject them, if they can't follow simple instructions.

Do you consider it necessary to make a public list of users rejected along with those accepted?
Even though whitelisters could have varying views, it would help to know who has been rejected by other members, just as a heads up to others.
Most would simply change usernames, but hey, some will not, and it could be a bit of help.

[LoyceV]

Do you consider it necessary to make a public list of users rejected along with those accepted?

No. Some don't even send their username, and I'm not going to share email addresses.

[Welsh]

No. Some don't even send their username, and I'm not going to share email addresses.

I've just had a few users asking for help, without actually providing any of the information stated in the original thread. I've just sent them a link back to this thread, and if they read it they'll know what to do, I'm not going to spoon feed them for a lack of a better phrase. I want to know that they actually have put the time into reading it, and at least know the type of content that's needed in the email instead of me reiterating it through the email itself.

I haven't had to many users contact me though. Although, I imagine your probably getting a lot more requests than a lot of us due to your email being the first one listed, and there will probably be users who email every single email in the thread, just in case they can persuade one, but not the other.

[Mpamaegbu]

Users whitelisted by me

• jreesun
  

You see? The above user is one of those the forum would've lost if you, LoyceV, hadn't whitelisted them. I actually checked all the profiles of those listed there (though many haven't made a single post after getting cleared) and got the surprise of my life when I got to the quoted user and noticed the magnificent experience they have in tech. With just three posts within a day after registration, the user already garned 53 merits. Well deserved merits at that, owing to the calibre of users who merited there. I'm thinking – would jreesun had moved on (out from this forum) if no one whitelisted them against the evil fee?

I must say they make it very easy to reject them, if they can't follow simple instructions.

Does that include asking a new user to do a video of their IP? I referred someone to the forum and wanted them to be whitelisted, not as if it was any big deal for me paying the evil fee for them. I had done that for two others in the past, actually. My new friend who was in correspondence with one of the handlers of the listed email addresses here was asked to do a video of their IP to prove a point that it wasn't a farmed account of mine. That really got me pissed and I told them to forget about that, that I would rather pay the evil fee for my mentee than make them pass through stress and expose their privacy for something as little as that.

My question is this – does asking someone to do a video of their IP not violate a user's privacy? I'm sure there are genuine newbies who may be facing this same issue. Kindly clear this up.[/list][/list]

[LoyceV]

I actually checked all the profiles of those listed there (though many haven't made a single post after getting cleared)

This worries me a bit: what if they're waiting until there's less attention on them? Then again, maybe I've just seen too many spamming Newbies.

I'm thinking – would jreesun had moved on (out from this forum) if no one whitelisted them against the evil fee?

I know I would have left! It's kinda bad that privacy has such a high price on the internet.

I must say they make it very easy to reject them, if they can't follow simple instructions.

Does that include asking a new user to do a video of their IP?

No, it's mainly just reading the OP. I don't see how a video adds anything.

I referred someone to the forum and wanted them to be whitelisted

Just post here:

2. Get someone to vouch for you
If an established member knows you personally, they can post your username in this topic for whitelisting. I won't accept vouches from for instance a bounty hunter with 1000 Activity and 0 earned Merit.)

My new friend who was in correspondence with one of the handlers of the listed email addresses here was asked to do a video of their IP to prove a point that it wasn't a farmed account of mine.

That wasn't me I don't want to know IP-addresses, and wouldn't be able to tell how much evil it has anyway.

My question is this – does asking someone to do a video of their IP not violate a user's privacy?

Asking is one thing, giving it means consent. So I don't think it's a privacy violation in the legal sense, but I wouldn't ask it.
I can imagine asking which VPN or something is used though.

I do ask different users different things sometimes. I'm still figuring out what works. Several don't even respond anymore after that.

[Mpamaegbu]

I know I would have left!

I would've left too. I don't like unnecessary stress.

Just post here:

2. Get someone to vouch for you
If an established member knows you personally, they can post your username in this topic for whitelisting.

I actually did in that post (though I didn't include my friend's username) 👇 below as soon as my friend started corresponding with the veteran member whose name I didn't know even then until after I had to send him a pm when he asked for that evidence. I felt posting there would be a cue for veteran to know I was vouching for the newbie. Except if they didn't take me to be a reputable member of the forum 🤷

I like the way this is turning out that some reputable members are seriously finding a way to help out on this evil fee. In the past I had had to pay for two friends because they didn't know jack about Bitcoin and never had any at the time. Right now, I'm vouching for another friend who's very interested to grow and advance his knowledge of cryptocurrencies. I'm happy to be doing this for them.

[Igebotz]

My question is this – does asking someone to do a video of their IP not violate a user's privacy? I'm sure there are genuine newbies who may be facing this same issue. Kindly clear this up

Whosoever behind this is doing the wrong thing and should abstain from it before you get exposed, you are in no position to know the IP log of any user ^{users privacy is key}. The whitelisting thing is a personal judgment thing, theymos didn't ask anyone to do KYC, must we abuse every system on this forum?

The @jreesun guy quoting is beyond the average score for a newbie ^{that is a legendary quoting if you ask me} I'm not saying more than this.

[LoyceV]

you are in no position to know the IP log of any user

It's bad enough already they need to show me their email address.

The @jreesun guy quoting is beyond the average score for a newbie ^{that is a legendary quoting if you ask me} I'm not saying more than this.

I don't think so (this is why). But even if it's true, creating an anonymous alt-account for privacy is totally fine.

[The Cryptovator]

I just invite someone to join the forum. User ID: 3364475. Can you please check if it's possible unlocked from the evil ban?

[LoyceV]

I just invite someone to join the forum. User ID: 3364475.

The Mars is Whitelisted.

[LoyceV]

Several people asked me why I've rejected them, or what they did wrong. I can't answer that: it's up to the user to convince me they deserve to be whitelisted, and I don't want to tell them how to cheat the system.
As theymos wrote about the evil fee: "the vast majority of accounts that hit it should not be whitelisted".

[hugeblack]

Hello @LoyceV Please add that the user must add his username with the request, many people have sent me a message and they did not include the account username and I can't search for users using the email.