On Cuba and economy

[bryant.coleman]

In fact, it all depends on the people!

I talked with Cubans, and I came to an amazing conclusion - the Island of FREEDOM, and the population does not understand the essence of the word "FREEDOM" !!! For freedom, they essentially consider a half-slave existence, and the second idea is "the main thing is that the Americans should do evil" !!!

Any changes in this country can occur only in 2 cases:
1. A tough enough ruler will come, who will by force knock this crap out of their heads and force them to live as in civilized countries. It sounds somewhat contradictory, but this is one of the options for a quick upgrade of the brain and worldview.
2. They themselves will eventually come to this. It will take many decades. As the Jews were led through the desert for 40 years so that they would forget what slavery is, so from the heads of Cubans it is necessary to knock out "socialism with an idiotic face." This path is evolutionary, but very long and it is not a fact that they "did not receive an additional gene of socialist laziness and stupidity"

That may have been the case two decades ago, but the situation has changed drastically. Recently there were widespread protests in Cuba against the communist regime. That means that the people are no longer happy with the status quo. Spread of social media and internet has meant that ordinary Cubans are in touch with diaspora settled in other countries, and they know how life is in these countries. We already saw the common people rising up against the regime in Venezuela. Now the same is repeating in Cuba as well.

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[DrBeer]

In fact, it all depends on the people!

I talked with Cubans, and I came to an amazing conclusion - the Island of FREEDOM, and the population does not understand the essence of the word "FREEDOM" !!! For freedom, they essentially consider a half-slave existence, and the second idea is "the main thing is that the Americans should do evil" !!!

Any changes in this country can occur only in 2 cases:
1. A tough enough ruler will come, who will by force knock this crap out of their heads and force them to live as in civilized countries. It sounds somewhat contradictory, but this is one of the options for a quick upgrade of the brain and worldview.
2. They themselves will eventually come to this. It will take many decades. As the Jews were led through the desert for 40 years so that they would forget what slavery is, so from the heads of Cubans it is necessary to knock out "socialism with an idiotic face." This path is evolutionary, but very long and it is not a fact that they "did not receive an additional gene of socialist laziness and stupidity"

That may have been the case two decades ago, but the situation has changed drastically. Recently there were widespread protests in Cuba against the communist regime. That means that the people are no longer happy with the status quo. Spread of social media and internet has meant that ordinary Cubans are in touch with diaspora settled in other countries, and they know how life is in these countries. We already saw the common people rising up against the regime in Venezuela. Now the same is repeating in Cuba as well.

I rested there 2 times - in 2010 and 2012. Believe me - this is recent, and now I am reading about what is happening, and I am sure that nothing has changed there. I will explain and argue. No matter how much we would like to expect changes in the Cubans, there are NO! They went out not to change the country, approaches, laws - they, no offense, as prisoners began to protest against even more bestial content, but not for freedom and justice!
Protest moods arose for 2 reasons: mortality from Covid increased significantly, and Cuban medicine (vaunted by the way, such as mega-effective, although everyone is trying to go to the USA, EU, Israel, ... for treatment anyway, ...) turned out to be powerless. Second, an additional drop in living standards has been added and, in fact, life is on the verge of starvation.
In total, this is a simple "animal" revolt, but not a desire for systemic changes.
Yes, it all sounds very offensive, but the truth can be like that ...

[oHnK]

I rested there 2 times - in 2010 and 2012. Believe me - this is recent, and now I am reading about what is happening, and I am sure that nothing has changed there. I will explain and argue. No matter how much we would like to expect changes in the Cubans, there are NO! They went out not to change the country, approaches, laws - they, no offense, as prisoners began to protest against even more bestial content, but not for freedom and justice!
Protest moods arose for 2 reasons: mortality from Covid increased significantly, and Cuban medicine (vaunted by the way, such as mega-effective, although everyone is trying to go to the USA, EU, Israel, ... for treatment anyway, ...) turned out to be powerless. Second, an additional drop in living standards has been added and, in fact, life is on the verge of starvation.
In total, this is a simple "animal" revolt, but not a desire for systemic changes.
Yes, it all sounds very offensive, but the truth can be like that ...

However, the dictator, a leader will still be able to be overthrown by the sovereignty of the people's hearts who feel the same as slaves.  There are many stories about such a leader, but when the people move, the term of office will not be long.  They just need a revolution to start by not using fiat then the government will be confused about taking economic policies, BTC can be an alternative for people to feel financially free without being limited by many regulations.

[DrBeer]

I rested there 2 times - in 2010 and 2012. Believe me - this is recent, and now I am reading about what is happening, and I am sure that nothing has changed there. I will explain and argue. No matter how much we would like to expect changes in the Cubans, there are NO! They went out not to change the country, approaches, laws - they, no offense, as prisoners began to protest against even more bestial content, but not for freedom and justice!
Protest moods arose for 2 reasons: mortality from Covid increased significantly, and Cuban medicine (vaunted by the way, such as mega-effective, although everyone is trying to go to the USA, EU, Israel, ... for treatment anyway, ...) turned out to be powerless. Second, an additional drop in living standards has been added and, in fact, life is on the verge of starvation.
In total, this is a simple "animal" revolt, but not a desire for systemic changes.
Yes, it all sounds very offensive, but the truth can be like that ...

However, the dictator, a leader will still be able to be overthrown by the sovereignty of the people's hearts who feel the same as slaves.  There are many stories about such a leader, but when the people move, the term of office will not be long.  They just need a revolution to start by not using fiat then the government will be confused about taking economic policies, BTC can be an alternative for people to feel financially free without being limited by many regulations.

If a person does not have such values in his head as freedom, legality, respect, desire to work, develop, change and change the world around him, he will not do anything. He will live with primitive needs, and he will be manipulated by new "kings"

[Vishnu.Reang]

I rested there 2 times - in 2010 and 2012. Believe me - this is recent, and now I am reading about what is happening, and I am sure that nothing has changed there. I will explain and argue. No matter how much we would like to expect changes in the Cubans, there are NO! They went out not to change the country, approaches, laws - they, no offense, as prisoners began to protest against even more bestial content, but not for freedom and justice!
Protest moods arose for 2 reasons: mortality from Covid increased significantly, and Cuban medicine (vaunted by the way, such as mega-effective, although everyone is trying to go to the USA, EU, Israel, ... for treatment anyway, ...) turned out to be powerless. Second, an additional drop in living standards has been added and, in fact, life is on the verge of starvation.
In total, this is a simple "animal" revolt, but not a desire for systemic changes.
Yes, it all sounds very offensive, but the truth can be like that ...

I guess hardly anyone else in this thread has visited Cuba, so I would give a higher weightage to your opinion. But it is sad. After so many decades of poverty and lack of opportunities, the ordinary people in Cuba want to maintain the status quo. But I can understand the apprehensions. Look at the former USSR. The regime that came after the fall of the Soviet Union was even more horrible (Boris Yeltsin in Russia, Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan, Leonid Kravchuk in Ukraine and Mircea Snegur in Moldova).

[DrBeer]

I rested there 2 times - in 2010 and 2012. Believe me - this is recent, and now I am reading about what is happening, and I am sure that nothing has changed there. I will explain and argue. No matter how much we would like to expect changes in the Cubans, there are NO! They went out not to change the country, approaches, laws - they, no offense, as prisoners began to protest against even more bestial content, but not for freedom and justice!
Protest moods arose for 2 reasons: mortality from Covid increased significantly, and Cuban medicine (vaunted by the way, such as mega-effective, although everyone is trying to go to the USA, EU, Israel, ... for treatment anyway, ...) turned out to be powerless. Second, an additional drop in living standards has been added and, in fact, life is on the verge of starvation.
In total, this is a simple "animal" revolt, but not a desire for systemic changes.
Yes, it all sounds very offensive, but the truth can be like that ...

I guess hardly anyone else in this thread has visited Cuba, so I would give a higher weightage to your opinion. But it is sad. After so many decades of poverty and lack of opportunities, the ordinary people in Cuba want to maintain the status quo. But I can understand the apprehensions. Look at the former USSR. The regime that came after the fall of the Soviet Union was even more horrible (Boris Yeltsin in Russia, Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan, Leonid Kravchuk in Ukraine and Mircea Snegur in Moldova).

The example from the USSR is very correct. The USSR itself gave birth to Cuba as it is now, and it was 40 years ago. But regarding the USSR, it is necessary to give more complete information. There were 15 republics that actually went their separate ways. For example Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia - they immediately chose the European vector. The southern republics, for the most part, almost all returned to almost feudal schemes. The rest have been trying for many years to create different alliances, opposing themselves, out of habit, to the world. As a result, the Customs Union and others ceased to exist ... For example, Belarus tried to preserve the ideas of the USSR, while realizing that in order to generate income, it was necessary to interact with the EU. Ukraine has long tossed between new alliances with the Russian Federation, Balarus, .. but after certain events, it nevertheless chose the European vector of development and rejection of the ideology of the USSR. Azerbaijan has also adopted a program of global changes, closely interacts with its sister Turkey, they also plan to move towards the European model ... After the coming to power of a new, pro-European government and the President, I really hope to make a powerful leap now and become perhaps the best example of how to say goodbye with a slave ideology and become really free and self-sufficient. Now in Moldova will begin a strong clean-up and breakdown of corruption metastases, which, unfortunately, have very deeply penetrated all the authorities and even the mentality of people throughout the post-USSR. We now have 2 really huge problems in Ukraine, these are: corruption and Russia's terrorist aggression against us. Without the fight against corruption, it is not possible for the state to develop qualitatively, and create comfortable conditions for business, people, provide social protection and a high standard of living!

[bryant.coleman]

^^^^ the so called "Russian" aggression is essentially an aggression by Putin. I don't think that ordinary Russian people have any enmity with the Ukrainians. In order to consolidate his power, Putin has ignited the issue of Russian speakers in the former-USSR nations. It is not just limited to Ukraine, but with the Baltic nations, Moldova (Transdniester) and Kazakhstan as well. The conflict in Donbass is essentially a fight between two groups of ethnic Ukrainians (one supported by the EU and the other supported by Putin).

That said, there is a strong chance that in the future Russia will be added to the European Union (sometime after Putin is removed from power). EU needs to expand to sustain itself, and the best option is to grow towards the east (Russia/Ukraine), rather than in a southward direction (Turkey/Morocco).

[DrBeer]

^^^^ the so called "Russian" aggression is essentially an aggression by Putin. I don't think that ordinary Russian people have any enmity with the Ukrainians. In order to consolidate his power, Putin has ignited the issue of Russian speakers in the former-USSR nations. It is not just limited to Ukraine, but with the Baltic nations, Moldova (Transdniester) and Kazakhstan as well. The conflict in Donbass is essentially a fight between two groups of ethnic Ukrainians (one supported by the EU and the other supported by Putin).

That said, there is a strong chance that in the future Russia will be added to the European Union (sometime after Putin is removed from power). EU needs to expand to sustain itself, and the best option is to grow towards the east (Russia/Ukraine), rather than in a southward direction (Turkey/Morocco).

No offense - but your words just confirm that you do not understand the mentality of this people, Russians. I'll tell you this - it's not Putin who is shooting at us, citizens of Russia are shooting at us! They were constantly taken prisoner from us, and when they snot and cry and asked them not to "punish", and many of these citizens of Russia told why they came to to us, to our land - "but we have no work in the city, but here they pay money" !!!! Do you understand what scum and bastards are? Due to the fact that he cannot earn money to support his family - he travels for money, to kill neighbors, to rob our country, to destroy everything that was created by us!

[LUCKMCFLY]

I believe that in Cuba there are two types of economies, the government that is an economy accessible to all goods and services, and any opportunity, while there is an internal economy that live the Cubans, who struggle to obtain a normal benefit of freedom . This includes the property of the Internet, the opportunity to leave the country without being persecuted, of obtaining technology without the government's regime prohibits it, and above all, some people do not know or from meat, in Cuba, in Cuba, in Cuba, What the richest eat is the pig. And fortunately, since the priority is its tourists.

Cuba is a country that is dominated by the communists that they have always taken advantage of the need of their people, in addition to having allied countries that share their same ideology that Venezuela, which at this point, believe that the Cuban economy is superior to Venezuelan.

That is why countries like Cuba and Venezuela would work day and night to obtain BTC, and, of course, with the risk of being detected by the government, if so, their punishment in Cuba would be prison, in Venezuela what is punished It is that it does not register the mining activity before the SUNACARIP Government Agency, even fall into jail for not declaring it.

[Shenzou]

On one side, you have an authoritarian regime in Cuba, which also replaced a previously authoritarian dictatorship (Batista). The economy of the country is struggling, their people lack the fundamental freedoms and the regime can only claim that they all have a home, a job and the right to study. In the old days, medicine was also top class but that finished when US strengthened the embargo.

Some people would be surprised to know that Cuba developed their own vaccine for COVID. On the other side, you got the US embargo - lasting decades and varying on intensity - a can of worms that no president of USA dares to kick for the electoral backslash.

Are Cuba protests due to the embargo or due to the government?

An on crypto, would bitcoin play actually in favour of the government, by allowing purchases anonymously or to possible insurgents?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba

I mean of course that the protests are against the government, because even if the embargo was made by the the united states there is zero effort from the Cuban government to lift it  which has been going on for decades now, and if this is a forced thing than bitcoin can be a really valuable resources for them to lift up their economy just by adopting it as a currency, i mean just look at el Salvador they have nothing to offer and they are a  small country yet them adopting bitcoin as a national currency it seemed like a big thing. 

[bryant.coleman]

No offense - but your words just confirm that you do not understand the mentality of this people, Russians. I'll tell you this - it's not Putin who is shooting at us, citizens of Russia are shooting at us! They were constantly taken prisoner from us, and when they snot and cry and asked them not to "punish", and many of these citizens of Russia told why they came to to us, to our land - "but we have no work in the city, but here they pay money" !!!! Do you understand what scum and bastards are? Due to the fact that he cannot earn money to support his family - he travels for money, to kill neighbors, to rob our country, to destroy everything that was created by us!

If all the Russians were supporting Putin, then the entire Donbass would have been under the control of the rebels by now. It is important to differentiate the evil regime of Putin from the ordinary Russian people. Others have also suffered, but in 99% of the cases the Russian citizens have been the primary victims of the Putin regime. And therefore I don't believe that it is right to blame the Russians without any distinction. At this point, it should not be forgotten that large sections of the Russian population opposes the Putin regime. Many have paid with their lives. Even Alexei Navalny escaped death by a whisker.

[Obito]

Cuba needs a big reformation, they've been through two dictatorship and has always been under communism and given that Cuba is still known for striking fear on Uncle Sam during the Cold War, I think that we can ultimately decide that communism doesn't work. People has to experience freedom now and I think that the current regime is already collapsing.

[famososMuertos]

Contagions ... people in Cuba can live hungry but not sick, it is hard to say, but it is a country used to living in precariousness.

The Vaccine thing should not be so strange they have a school of the Soviet Union, today Russia who also developed its own vaccine.

Regarding the economic and social issue, please only have to know a Cuban in exile or having visited the island, do not use official statistics "they are lies" It is stupid bureaucracy that governments rely on to make up the true statistics.

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These references are so gray. They do not work. 1 VES = that amount is wrong, referring to these countries not only Cuba, Venezuela, if not any other that is under a dubious regime are never reliable, they only serve to make people trust it and disclose information that is not faithful to reality.

[Sithara007]

Cuba needs a big reformation, they've been through two dictatorship and has always been under communism and given that Cuba is still known for striking fear on Uncle Sam during the Cold War, I think that we can ultimately decide that communism doesn't work. People has to experience freedom now and I think that the current regime is already collapsing.

Has socialism worked for an extended period, anywhere in the world? It has failed, without any exception. The problem is that eventually they will run out of rich people to loot, and then they start looting the ordinary people. How is it even possible that Venezuela remains as one of the poorest nations in the world, with such huge petroleum reserves? And in case of Cuba, they have one of the best literacy rates and university systems in the Latin American region. And despite all that they are in such a horrible state.

[Poker Player]

Has socialism worked for an extended period, anywhere in the world? It has failed, without any exception. The problem is that eventually they will run out of rich people to loot, and then they start looting the ordinary people. How is it even possible that Venezuela remains as one of the poorest nations in the world, with such huge petroleum reserves? And in case of Cuba, they have one of the best literacy rates and university systems in the Latin American region. And despite all that they are in such a horrible state.

I understand you mean communism, rather than socialism. Another thing is that after the end of the cold war, due to the realization that communism is a disaster, some communists preferred to call themselves socialists to disguise. For example, nowadays in Venezuela the United Socialist Party of Venezuela of Maduro is the party that rules, and they call themselves that even though they are communists.

But there has been moderate socialism that has worked very well, in Europe social democracies have lived many decades of prosperity and well-being.

[DrBeer]

No offense - but your words just confirm that you do not understand the mentality of this people, Russians. I'll tell you this - it's not Putin who is shooting at us, citizens of Russia are shooting at us! They were constantly taken prisoner from us, and when they snot and cry and asked them not to "punish", and many of these citizens of Russia told why they came to to us, to our land - "but we have no work in the city, but here they pay money" !!!! Do you understand what scum and bastards are? Due to the fact that he cannot earn money to support his family - he travels for money, to kill neighbors, to rob our country, to destroy everything that was created by us!

If all the Russians were supporting Putin, then the entire Donbass would have been under the control of the rebels by now. It is important to differentiate the evil regime of Putin from the ordinary Russian people. Others have also suffered, but in 99% of the cases the Russian citizens have been the primary victims of the Putin regime. And therefore I don't believe that it is right to blame the Russians without any distinction. At this point, it should not be forgotten that large sections of the Russian population opposes the Putin regime. Many have paid with their lives. Even Alexei Navalny escaped death by a whisker.

These are all fairy tales and fantasies of Russians and their media. Tales from the region "the Russian army is the most powerful and we will reach Kiev in 3 days, and to Lvov in 5 days, after which Ukraine will cease to exist."
It ended with the fact that these "heroic Russian warriors" now who fertilize the land in eastern Ukraine with their bodies, and who may have reached Kiev ... but only with groundwater
As it turned out, all the "power" of the Russian army is an attack on the GUARANTEED WEAKER, the use of local separatists as a consumable, and this all works until Russia receives a noticeable response. You will laugh, but such an answer was given to the Russian terrorist troops and separatists by voluntary combat units made up of ordinary citizens of Ukraine. And unexpectedly, the vaunted Russian paratroopers went home in hundreds of coffins ... At the Donetsk airport, ordinary Ukrainian servicemen defeated Kadyrov's units (the Chechen ruler, the murderer of Russians who fought against the Russian troops, the hero of Russia - yes, yes, that's right ), which on the territory of russia they do whatever they want, and specialists from "Vympel" (elite special units in the RF), and the regular troops of the rf. After that, more than 50% of the territories occupied by Russian terrorist troops were liberated by Ukrainian volunteer units and restored army units. After that, the Russians had to change tactics - they began to hide their soldiers behind the backs of local separatists (this is a consumable for them, worthless).
The Russians began to engage in acts of terrorism, sabotage, but not direct military clashes. it turned out that they began to receive very high losses of this "vaunted", "invincible" Russian army.
By the way, you can check - if you look at the last 20 years - all the "heroic victories of the Russian Federation" are essentially terrorism or an attack on peaceful or incommensurably weaker neighbors under an invented pretext or deliberate provocation. Although lately, Russia has begun to get "in the teeth" there too.

PS I highly recommend not to read the Russian press (including their Western editions), otherwise you will have a strong distortion of reality, believe me!

[jaysabi]

Well, the US has had a lot of interventions in Venezuela, just not always militarily.  The US continues to put sanctions on the country and also was recognized an opposition politician as the rightful leader of the country after the last election.  Both of these are interventions aimed to regime change, just not a military intervention.  The US has had repeated interventions in Cuba of the same nature, the sanctions are aimed at forcing Cuba to open up the government and become more democratic.  In that case, it's obviously not about oil because there is none.

The Cuban American community is politically very important and most of them are descendant from the elite class who had to flee Cuba when Fidel Castro seized power from Fulgencio Batista. They support the US sanctions, because these people lost all of their property and business when Castro implemented nationalization in 1959. Barack Obama tried to remove some of the embargoes and that cost the Democrats the state of Florida in 2016 (and probably again in 2020). If Biden removes the sanctions, then the Dems can say good bye to Florida for the next 50 years.

Anything that is so overly simplified is bound to be inaccurate.  Boiling down Florida to a simple case of sanctions is pure folly.  There are 21 million people in Florida, and the vast majority of them don't give a damn about sanctions on Cuba, and I'd guess they don't know anything about it either.

[DrBeer]

"At this point, it should not be forgotten that large sections of the Russian population opposes the Putin regime."

This is your gross delusion. Maximum 5% do not like him. The rest of the carriers of rashism (a modern form of fascism, but more vile, cowardly and deceitful, based on state terrorism). They praise Putin and Russia, and without tormenting moral standards, they go to other countries for money to kill the local population. 95% consider the whole world to be enemies. Officially, less than 85% of the population votes for Putin every time. And those who do not like Putin, for the most part, are the same bearers of rashism, and they want their Putin. You idealize this monster called the Rashist Federation