Ethics of boxing and gambling

[Mahanton]

I guess the general point is right, boxing is rather the game of endurance than a pummelling and there are certain rules and security measures. Nevertheless, this doesn’t deny the fact that boxing is among the most traumatic kinds of sports (if not the most) and leads to serious long-term injuries. Yes, boxers become rich stars, so one could say it all pays off, but if in the end, one has brain damage does fame really matter?

You need to understand that most of those that take boxing and try to pursue a professional career there are very poor so they do not really have a lot of options and boxing is their ticket out of that poverty, obviously not everyone is like that but the majority are, at least at my country, so it is obvious they made that decision knowing very well the consequences this could entail and they still decided to become boxers and as such their decision must be respected.

Cant consider that those are consequences but rather would be the risk that they are taking when they do enter the boxing career but well we do know that not every sport wouldnt have any risk
when it comes to physical matters.Its not really that necessary that those people who had been joining is just poor but there are still who do pursue out into this career due to interest
or definitely his wish to join up this sport no matter on what financial status that they do have in life but i do agree that i do find some countries which its people is been
really seeing this boxing sport is they key for them to at least improve their lives if they do make well.

[mv1986]

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

I have just answered something similar in the slapping tournament thread as well. Boxing and slapping, UFC also, is different from racing because the goal actually is to humiliate your opponent. We have had a couple of situations now when boxers died. Imagine you put a big amount of money on your favorite, he knocks the other guy out and that guy dies afterwards, can you still enjoy the money you won? That's a bit odd, a word which fits the topic gambling where it is all about odds...

[Tumanggor]

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Boxing is a sport that has been around for a long time and is recognized by the world as one of the favorites
As for why it's allowed to place bets on 2 people hitting each other, I don't understand either, but I believe it becomes legal because we all including the government approve it as one of the legal sports

honestly I never bet on boxing because I think that sport is too hard and I don't really like it

[lienfaye]

Imagine you put a big amount of money on your favorite, he knocks the other guy out and that guy dies afterwards, can you still enjoy the money you won?

Surely you wont be happy about it but these players are professional and aware of the risk for engaging themselves in this kind of sports, plus they're well-paid. There are incidents ending up to this unfortunate situation but its not the aim of boxing and the other sports as well. That's why it requires an athlete to be mentally and physically fit before getting into a fight because it has risk of having a serious injuries.

[coin-investor]

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Yes it is risky but so does all the other sports, there are also risk involved in these sports and there are injuries also, boxing although risky but compared to old times we have doctors, referees, and governing bodies to check if the fighters are all fit and capable to endure being hit and they also see to it that they are capable to defend themselves, there's no illegal on these sports as long as their bodies that oversees the activities.

[Twinkledoe]

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Yes it is risky but so does all the other sports, there are also risk involved in these sports and there are injuries also, boxing although risky but compared to old times we have doctors, referees, and governing bodies to check if the fighters are all fit and capable to endure being hit and they also see to it that they are capable to defend themselves, there's no illegal on these sports as long as their bodies that oversees the activities.

This is the reason why there is referee, to stop foul actions inside the ring. Also, before both boxers get inside the ring, I am sure, they already know the rules inside the ring because if not, if they violate those rules, they will lose the match and maybe lose their license as well. So I know, these boxers are very careful not to get violation because this can greatly affect their boxing career. And somehow, they are already abiding the ethics in boxing. So yeah, there's ethics also here.

[Reid]

Imagine you put a big amount of money on your favorite, he knocks the other guy out and that guy dies afterwards, can you still enjoy the money you won?

Surely you wont be happy about it but these players are professional and aware of the risk for engaging themselves in this kind of sports, plus they're well-paid. There are incidents ending up to this unfortunate situation but its not the aim of boxing and the other sports as well. That's why it requires an athlete to be mentally and physically fit before getting into a fight because it has risk of having a serious injuries.

That's why they say "always protect yourself" and they have to exaggerate that to avoid unfortunate moments like dying in the ring.
Ethical. MMA had worse and it's also called a sport. You can see blood splattering all around the ring turning the floor from white to red and then broken bones.

I think people just enjoy those types of games. People hurting each other and see the length of how resistant a human being can be.
Even in other sports like basketball. We enjoy it more when the game heats up and they are starting to hurt each other. "Malice in the Palace" 
It's human nature and not about ethics anymore.

[electronicash]

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

Yes it is risky but so does all the other sports, there are also risk involved in these sports and there are injuries also, boxing although risky but compared to old times we have doctors, referees, and governing bodies to check if the fighters are all fit and capable to endure being hit and they also see to it that they are capable to defend themselves, there's no illegal on these sports as long as their bodies that oversees the activities.

the rules in boxing today is probably the best we could come up today unlike what we have before. there was no standing knockout back in the days. as long the boxer stands even if he is unconscious the referree couldn't call it a knockout for he has to fall on the canvas first. that is not safe anymore today.

once the referre sees a boxer drops his hands or not protecting himself, the referree will stop the fight.

[molsewid]

You need to understand that most of those that take boxing and try to pursue a professional career there are very poor so they do not really have a lot of options and boxing is their ticket out of that poverty, obviously not everyone is like that but the majority are, at least at my country, so it is obvious they made that decision knowing very well the consequences this could entail and they still decided to become boxers and as such their decision must be respected.

It's a sad reality but poverty was one of the main reason of some of the boxers I know that choose to fulfill this boxing career but on the other side it is quite good to see those people who was now doing well in their life with the help of this game. One of them I know is the well-known boxer Manny Pacquiao that is now a one of a billionaire alive and still keep on doing what he loves despite of being busy in his another career which is politics.

[Fredomago]

You need to understand that most of those that take boxing and try to pursue a professional career there are very poor so they do not really have a lot of options and boxing is their ticket out of that poverty, obviously not everyone is like that but the majority are, at least at my country, so it is obvious they made that decision knowing very well the consequences this could entail and they still decided to become boxers and as such their decision must be respected.

It's a sad reality but poverty was one of the main reason of some of the boxers I know that choose to fulfill this boxing career but on the other side it is quite good to see those people who was now doing well in their life with the help of this game. One of them I know is the well-known boxer Manny Pacquiao that is now a one of a billionaire alive and still keep on doing what he loves despite of being busy in his another career which is politics.

Manny Pacquiao is indeed a living example, chasing your dreams and reaching high even you came from a poor family. He's now a living legend and most of those boxers who came from poor society are now dreaming to be like him.

Sad thing that there are unlucky fighters who lost their lives in chase of reaching their dreams, mismanage fight and other issues are prone for those people who wanted to take the risk.

determination and luck, both have the influenced to each fighter who wants to fulfil their dreams.

[btc78]

I know many people bet on boxing matches and I recently saw a post on an "slapping tournament". I was thinking that professional boxing is kind of questionable as a sport discipline and even more so as a gambling event. It is known that many boxers sustain long term effects of repeated micro-trauma and even some have been know to die in the ring. For all boxing fans and for others that may have a view on this, how is this being considered a fully legal activity being supported? And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

It depends on the country, in some countries it's allowed and being shown public and in other countries it's illegal and only done in hidden places. People like violence and like to see it and also like to bet on it. As for boxing or slapping tournaments, the athletes know the rules and long term consequences beforehand. And even though it is bad and people actually die from the sport, there are still plenty of people doing it. Also what about all the animals fighting against each other and people bet on it? This is morally wrong too.

this are considered as SPORTS so having that i think there is no way that this will be not allowed in some country though the Betting is it that being banned in some countries that does not allow gambling but in totality ? it is the sports that we are talking here .
because to like it or not even if my country eventually banned betting in public still we as friend or social media groups will still organized to bet in our favorite boxers or sports and this will never be stopped.
think of your favorite thing to do that in all of a sudden will be forbidden ? do you think it is easy to achieve ?

[Ziskinberg]

And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

It's much better than countries going to war and in conflict, boxing is considered art in sports and Olympics you need to be physically fit and well trained to compete, they are trained to get hurt and hurt they are not average people they undergo training and they are certified to go on competition, and boxing is well regulated so they are not fighting to the death.

Boxers are not only thought how to beat the opponent, but they are also thought how to protect themselves at all times, and though it's normal that there are some boxers who suffers from serious injury, it's just rare compared to the total fights where boxers are still healthy after the fight.

So yes, there's no way it will be stop or ban as boxing is not the only sport that is considered a physical sport.

[mv1986]

Imagine you put a big amount of money on your favorite, he knocks the other guy out and that guy dies afterwards, can you still enjoy the money you won?

Surely you wont be happy about it but these players are professional and aware of the risk for engaging themselves in this kind of sports, plus they're well-paid. There are incidents ending up to this unfortunate situation but its not the aim of boxing and the other sports as well. That's why it requires an athlete to be mentally and physically fit before getting into a fight because it has risk of having a serious injuries.

Sure, but OP brought up the term ethics, and that term requires to reflect on boxing and gambling from many different perspectives. If I am different between gambling on chess and boxing, I would always go with chess. Money being put on you also puts pressure onto you. These boxers know what is at stake and try to resist a knockout under any circumstances, maybe at some point not knowing about their own condition but strong enough to hide that fact.
A sport that involves killing like the bull fights in Spain where you can see children yelling for the torero always got me concerned on Youtube. I was once asked to go into an arena in 2010 when it was still allowed, not sure if still is, and place some bets. My friend went there, I didn't.

[Peanutswar]

And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

It's much better than countries going to war and in conflict, boxing is considered art in sports and Olympics you need to be physically fit and well trained to compete, they are trained to get hurt and hurt they are not average people they undergo training and they are certified to go on competition, and boxing is well regulated so they are not fighting to the death.

Boxers are not only thought how to beat the opponent, but they are also thought how to protect themselves at all times, and though it's normal that there are some boxers who suffers from serious injury, it's just rare compared to the total fights where boxers are still healthy after the fight.

So yes, there's no way it will be stop or ban as boxing is not the only sport that is considered a physical sport.

At the end of the day still we are focusing with the pointing system of the boxing no matter what happen if they want to try to defense still if the enemy has a large number of hints to the opponent has the chance to win the game this is the reason why even they are defending themselves still need to focus on hitting too because it's all about the points.

Boxing is already marked as one of the biggest sports that people would like to it's too hard if they want to try to remove this in the world of gambling.

[yazher]

Boxers are not only thought how to beat the opponent, but they are also thought how to protect themselves at all times, and though it's normal that there are some boxers who suffers from serious injury, it's just rare compared to the total fights where boxers are still healthy after the fight.

So yes, there's no way it will be stop or ban as boxing is not the only sport that is considered a physical sport.

They already fixed the rules and removed the 15 rounds maximum round after that Korean boxer died after the fight. It was a great fight through the Korean was obviously struggling he went to finish the whole fight but result to his demise. Right now, referees are strict when it comes to stoping the fight to avoid such things to happened again because that tragedy not only killed the boxer but also the referee as well when he thought he was the one to blame for what happened and committed suicide because of that.

You can watch the full details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96iwJ_B2jA0

[Silberman]

You need to understand that most of those that take boxing and try to pursue a professional career there are very poor so they do not really have a lot of options and boxing is their ticket out of that poverty, obviously not everyone is like that but the majority are, at least at my country, so it is obvious they made that decision knowing very well the consequences this could entail and they still decided to become boxers and as such their decision must be respected.

It's a sad reality but poverty was one of the main reason of some of the boxers I know that choose to fulfill this boxing career but on the other side it is quite good to see those people who was now doing well in their life with the help of this game. One of them I know is the well-known boxer Manny Pacquiao that is now a one of a billionaire alive and still keep on doing what he loves despite of being busy in his another career which is politics.

And there are many stories like that, another more recent example is Canelo he was also very poor and he had a job with no future but then he decided to become a boxer and then he was able to reach success, obviously these are extreme examples of people that became very wealthy through this activity and we know that the majority of boxers do not experiment success anywhere near that level but it show us why so many people decide to practice such a difficult sport.

[capcaypro]

with this thread i can talk about what i complain about this match.
I'm one of those people who don't like watching matches that people think are men's matches because they use physicality and fight. because in my opinion this is indeed profitable from a financial point of view but I agree with the thread from @paxmao because many boxers experience the long-term effects of repeated micro-traumas and even some are known to die in the ring, the latest example is one boxer named Aslam Khan who died in the ring after being knocked out by his opponent in January.
and actually about the pros and cons of this boxing thing, for example, the AMA, one of the medical associations in Australia, has asked for this game to be banned because it has claimed a lot of victims both physically and directly experiencing death.
but on the other hand there are many who like this kind of fight because in terms of finances it is still very large, especially in betting.
and actually if you look at it from now on it's actually not just boxing because now there are various kinds of tournaments such as slapping tournaments and even MMA also from a security point of view it's very difficult to say it's safe but apart from that there are still many who like this kind of fight regardless psychic and the risk of the person fighting

[Fredomago]

And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

It's much better than countries going to war and in conflict, boxing is considered art in sports and Olympics you need to be physically fit and well trained to compete, they are trained to get hurt and hurt they are not average people they undergo training and they are certified to go on competition, and boxing is well regulated so they are not fighting to the death.

Boxers are not only thought how to beat the opponent, but they are also thought how to protect themselves at all times, and though it's normal that there are some boxers who suffers from serious injury, it's just rare compared to the total fights where boxers are still healthy after the fight.

So yes, there's no way it will be stop or ban as boxing is not the only sport that is considered a physical sport.

With the modern days technologies, boxers are now more safe than before. The trainings and all those primary precautions that they needed to learn is being provided by coaches who understand this sport.

Before they go and begin their careers they've been trained to protect themselves, though it's unavoidable if accident happened but again just like you mentioned those fighters are more aware on how to lessen  chances of being hit from their critical areas. They are there to protect and to keep their fighting chance to win the match.

[tippytoes]

And how is betting of people hitting each other being considered as legal and ethical in today´s world?

It's much better than countries going to war and in conflict, boxing is considered art in sports and Olympics you need to be physically fit and well trained to compete, they are trained to get hurt and hurt they are not average people they undergo training and they are certified to go on competition, and boxing is well regulated so they are not fighting to the death.

Boxers are not only thought how to beat the opponent, but they are also thought how to protect themselves at all times, and though it's normal that there are some boxers who suffers from serious injury, it's just rare compared to the total fights where boxers are still healthy after the fight.

So yes, there's no way it will be stop or ban as boxing is not the only sport that is considered a physical sport.

With the modern days technologies, boxers are now more safe than before. The trainings and all those primary precautions that they needed to learn is being provided by coaches who understand this sport.

Before they go and begin their careers they've been trained to protect themselves, though it's unavoidable if accident happened but again just like you mentioned those fighters are more aware on how to lessen  chances of being hit from their critical areas. They are there to protect and to keep their fighting chance to win the match.

That's why before they step inside the ring, they already have the license in boxing. And to get that, certainly, they already gone thru seminars and the likes to know what are the do's and don'ts to be observed once inside the ring. Because one mistake, they can easily lose their license, which they have been working for years. This is why boxers don't want to make trouble outside the ring, because they need to take care of their boxing career. Most likely, they also are well-educated in terms of how to secure their body from any potential harm.

[capcaypro]

That's why before they step inside the ring, they already have the license in boxing. And to get that, certainly, they already gone thru seminars and the likes to know what are the do's and don'ts to be observed once inside the ring. Because one mistake, they can easily lose their license, which they have been working for years. This is why boxers don't want to make trouble outside the ring, because they need to take care of their boxing career. Most likely, they also are well-educated in terms of how to secure their body from any potential harm.

even though there is already a boxing license but when the boxers are in the ring and ready to fight I don't think there is any guarantee for them to be able to minimize the damage to their bodies that results in mental health and the most fatal is death because if they are already in the ring What matters is how to win the match. even if they are trained and have a license even if there is no guarantee for the boxers to get out safely in the match because the license is only a written permission to facilitate the affairs of his career not to make the fighters safe from all forms of attack both mentally and verbally