China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ...

[Gyfts]

The Chinese people don't care enough for basic liberties because they're complacent and okay with the current existing affairs. One would think there'd be a slight amount of outrage when millions of muslims are struck of their human rights, many being placed in modern day "concentration camps" to have their heads shaved and forcibly sterilized CCP is the world's biggest threat in the 21st century, and if you wait on the chinese people to revolt against their own government, you're going to be waiting for a long time.

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[alpamar99]

interesting to discuss, but if we look at the Chinese system for now, even though the people accept a lot of freedom, and begin to adopt Western freedoms, on the other hand they also apply rules that oblige their citizens to obey them.
regardless of fear or belief in the government at this time I don't think the Chinese people will be able to fight against their orders, and one way to be safe is to follow the flow of the government and even if it's called brainwashing or whatever but this can influence and benefit the Chinese government as well.

[Philipma1957cellphone]

And, the further, the more difficult it will be for China to follow the achievements of the Western world, because capital has to move on its own, if not it is not capital, but the party moves. "

I disagree with that.China has very good intelligence and awesome hackers.The Chinese are very good at stealing technology from the west,so I don't think that it would be difficult for China to follow the achievements of the Western world.
China has accumulated lots of capital and it will accumulate even more in the future.A part of this capital might run away from China,but there's still lot's of it.
The CCP will keep it's power and authority in the future decades.I'm not a fan of the Chinese Communist Party,but we can't deny the fact that China turned from a third world country into a global economic powerhouse for about 30 years.

Why is it China is good at stealing tech?

But not good at inventing tech.


I am a 64 year old white guy. Born in New York city.
I have always heard.

That the chinese are great at copies but not great at original thought.

Personally I would like to see some one say the Chinese made many great inventions.

I am pretty sure they invented gunpowder . That is a solid invention.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Currently some Chinese investors have fallen as victims of cryptocurrency project scams, since more than $ 2200M have gone directly to addresses from scammers, I do not know if it is due to low research or extreme investor confidence, they have been presented many cases that have been reported:

The data showed over 7000 reported cases of victims of the scams with the median loss being about $1,900. Most of the cases were also reported around the time of the market surge as vulnerable investors looking to buy into the market fell victim.

Source: https://zycrypto.com/chinese-investors-lose-over-2-billion-to-cryptocurrency-scams/

It is worrying to see these figures of scams in China, although China has been very jealous in terms of cryptocurrencies, they are front-line defenders of their stablecoin, perhaps these scams can trigger the government to take drastic measures against cryptocurrencies.

[Sithara007]

^^^ This may be an underestimate. Because the PlusToken scam alone caused a loss of around $4 billion in China (with more losses reported from other countries such as Vietnam and Taiwan), as a lot of pensioners and other users invested in that scam project. So the losses from that project alone is more than the amount mentioned here. But the government response has been disproportionate, and they have been banning all cryptocurrency activity inside China (rather than just targeting the scammers).

[Rainbow-queen]

It is really ridiculous to see that many people still judge the present China based on the backward history of the old China. The people of their own country worry about being shot and women being raped every day, but now they are worried that the Chinese will eat too much and live too happily. Guys, China is no longer the China you imagined. If you have travel expenses, go to China. China will let you sit up and take notice.

Go out and see the reality of China with your own eyes, instead of hearing hearsay on the Internet.

[DrBeer]

No one really diminishes China's merit in the modern world. They must be given their due - from an agrarian third world country, they have become one of the world leaders in several decades, and in many areas. From a communist poor country, China became a country where a huge number of millionaires and simply rich people appeared, and people were given those freedoms that, for example, could never have appeared in the USSR ... But as the proverb says "Very good, that's also bad." Now the Chinese Communist Party has realized that they have spoiled the population with freedoms a little, and potentially, a class may arise in China that will not respect the "traditions" of the Communist Party, will be independent entrepreneurs with significant financial influence, and in general - the state is losing control over some areas of the economy. plus money goes to ordinary people and not to political elites, as it has been for centuries. This is what they are afraid of, and they begin to "change" the situation until it is too late for them.

[stompix]

The CCP has avoided mistakes that were committed by the other socialist nations. It is being said that the main reason for the collapse of the USSR was the crash in the oil prices. But that was just a trigger. The real reason was the huge increase in unproductive population in the central Asian states like Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, which overburdened the European part of the USSR.

Common, that's ...
I've heard that theory one other forum and everyone forgets one thing, that for it to have "unproductive" population it the people that would have been born in those provinces before 1972 so they could be 18 and ready to work in 1990 would have to swift the balance in demographics, not the population in 1990.
Besides, there was no such thing as unproductive in communism, don't think you could stay at home and get food stamps.

Those states did grow in population but also stayed poor with no money spent from the central authorities on them either.
The most important things were
- the huge drop in oil prices (you can easily see how one drop hammered Russia's economy nowadays)
- the Chernobyl accident put enormous pressure on finances and manpower exactly when the URSS needed them most
- continuous loss of markets for products as their allies in the Warsaw pact grew also poorer and increasingly costly aid that was requested from other countries fighting the evil capitalists

And China is taking steps to avoid a repetition of that scenario. They have imposed strict birth controls in Xinjiang, to prevent the unproductive population from exploding.

Yeah, I've heard of the new vasectomy procedures in Xinjiang, far cheaper and easier to do than in the western world. One bullet to the head and there you go, "birth control".

I disagree with that.China has very good intelligence and awesome hackers.The Chinese are very good at stealing technology from the west,so I don't think that it would be difficult for China to follow the achievements of the Western world.
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The CCP will keep it's power and authority in the future decades.I'm not a fan of the Chinese Communist Party,but we can't deny the fact that China turned from a third world country into a global economic powerhouse for about 30 years.

And South Korea did the same without that much hacking and without a Communist part and a GFW. Same for Japan.

[amishmanish]

Its definitely not perfect but that does not mean that one body making decisions for everybody while nobody is allowed to criticise the said hallowed body is not the way of free people.

Everyone has a say, and everyone decides the direction together?

Dear CCP representative, Welcome to Democracy 101.

No, Democracy doesn't mean that "everyone decides the direction together". Representative Democracy means that everyone gets to choose their representative. It is also not just about the election procedure but also about having a free press and giving people the right to criticize those who govern them. I understand the concept is alien to you.

No, there will never be a consensus, there will always be stupid people who cast their stupid votes.

"Stupid people who cast their stupid votes". So typical of the CCP apologists. Equal rights to everyone means that everyone's vote counts. You may find it stupid because you have been accustomed to a communist system of hierarchy where speaking truth to power to akin to suicide.

So my dear, “free-thinking puppet”, can you still live under your caste system??

LOL. So you went into my post history to come up with a retort quoting "caste system". If there was any doubt in my mind that the forum is being specifically targeted by Chinese handlers, this removes that doubt. I have seen the likes of you a lot on Twitter. You guys crawl out of your Weibo holes to global twitter whenever there is an image management issue for the CCP.

Wonder though, what are your masters finding so interesting about the forum as to direct attention here.

It is really ridiculous to see that many people still judge the present China based on the backward history of the old China. The people of their own country worry about being shot and women being raped every day, but now they are worried that the Chinese will eat too much and live too happily. Guys, China is no longer the China you imagined. If you have travel expenses, go to China. China will let you sit up and take notice.

Go out and see the reality of China with your own eyes, instead of hearing hearsay on the Internet.

Why do you guys think that people judge China based on their history?? The rest of the world knows that the Chinese control the flow of information inside their country. They judge people based on their posting habits. Prominent businessmen are jailed and go missing on the pretext of "picking quarrels" if they dare criticize.

Amid all this, people in the free world also notice that the Chinese economy has gone full steam ahead (which is appreciable) but on an unfair advantage of exploiting cheap labor and stealing/ copying others IP. Huawei cannibalizing Canada's Nortel is a prime example. All of this happened because the West was too busy getting cheap manufacturing. Now, the Chinese are trying to portray themselves as some sort of governance example to follow. They are trying to present a picture of success. The ideological funding for communist thought in Australian institutions has been well established.

The people see all this and call out the bullshit by criticizing the Chinese on their slave society. This doesn't mean that we envy the people having a good life. Its good that fellow humans are not dying in famines anymore and enjoying prosperity. Yet, don't expect the rest of the world to suddenly start worshipping communist crap like the CCP or your supreme leader.

[Kiley33]

Everyone knows that China is only through the Internet, but there are some negative news about China on the Internet, and some people have the same view of China as before.
As a result, everyone's influence on China was not good at the beginning.
Technology is developing, the world is developing, and of course China is also developing very well.
But you may choose not to watch it,
The epidemic really started in China. Everyone was just blindly criticizing China (although it did need to be criticized), but China responded quickly and the epidemic was controlled from the beginning. Looking elsewhere, the virus is raging.
Everyone has a high degree of concern for China. what is the reason? This is because China is constantly improving.
Before talking about our understanding of China, we should get out of the Internet and truly feel China.
China is not perfect either. It rejected cryptocurrency, which is a big loss. Relatively regular, lack of adventurous spirit.
But all countries are moving in a good direction.

[StanleyBoyle]

Many contradictions exist in the contradictions of different countries, the contradictions of different religions, the contradictions of different currencies, the contradictions of different cultures, and the contradictions that do not use language.As long as these differences still exist, there will be no common doctrine.
Without a common belief, there will always be contradictions, wars will not stop, hunger will not disappear, and suffering will never end.

[The Ghoul]

No, Democracy doesn't mean that "everyone decides the direction together". Representative Democracy means that everyone gets to choose their representative. It is also not just about the election procedure but also about having a free press and giving people the right to criticize those who govern them. I understand the concept is alien to you.

In a free society, all of those voices are allowed space and expression and collectively, they decide on a path forward.

It turns out that freedom is defined by you. The definition you defined yesterday is different from the definition you defined today.

What are your thoughts on your country? What path have you chosen now? Has your country followed the path you chose?Have you chosen the person you wish to be represented？You are all strangers to these, Sudra.

everyone gets to choose their representative？Do you know what the people's congress system is? China’s current system is what you call freedom.

"Stupid people who cast their stupid votes". So typical of the CCP apologists. Equal rights to everyone means that everyone's vote counts. You may find it stupid because you have been accustomed to a communist system of hierarchy where speaking truth to power to akin to suicide.

The sentence "Stupid people who cast their stupid votes" is used to refute what you said, everyone decides the direction together.Now that you have corrected what you said earlier, then this sentence is of course invalid.

Do you recognize the mistake of extreme liberalism in your mouth? Or you just deliberately made these logically unreasonable remarks simply because you are prejudiced against CCP.

LOL. So you went into my post history to come up with a retort quoting "caste system". If there was any doubt in my mind that the forum is being specifically targeted by Chinese handlers, this removes that doubt. I have seen the likes of you a lot on Twitter. You guys crawl out of your Weibo holes to global twitter whenever there is an image management issue for the CCP.

Wonder though, what are your masters finding so interesting about the forum as to direct attention here.

No, this is a forum, nothing to do with Twitter. Checking your historical posts has nothing to do with any other gender, nationality, or cultural issues.I just want to understand your background and think about what kind of thought control will lead you to say this. I just aimed at you.

but on an unfair advantage of exploiting cheap labor and stealing/ copying others IP. Huawei cannibalizing Canada's Nortel is a prime example. All of this happened because the West was too busy getting cheap manufacturing.

Isn't the exploitation of cheap labor just the patent of capitalism?

Do you have an in-depth understanding of the case in your mouth? Still heard everything you know now in the media. Hope to take a good look at the information before you give examples.

[johnyj]

The fundamental difference between communism and capitalism is the private ownership of large amount of capitals

In communism, only state owns large properties like land and vital enterprises, private person are not even able to own their own land, at best they own the house built on land borrowed from state

This gives them a huge advantage when the country is under fast development and construction, since all the resources in the country can be utilized by a single directive. They could isolate and kill the virus by quarantine since all the people in country must comply with CCP leadership.

While in a capitalism country, what you see is much slower development in infrastructure, all the private land owners have different interests, and they can not reach an agreement easily. An infrastructure project can drag out for decades to finish

If you happened to own lots of properties, you definitely want to stay in western and enjoy your freedom in your own land; but if you own nothing, you feel better in China where you can just spend half a dollar travel with good public transport in major cities, 2 dollar for delicious and cheap meal, and 300 dollars for renting a nice apartment a month

[Ozero]

Although china's policy towards the people is far away the coronavirus originated from china. Then america europe russia are all against china in their hiding and various incidents it can be said that the work of uniting china in various ways including trade and commerce has started needless to say that is why they have chosen india as an alternative in our area. You will notice the sudden india china conflict and the feeling of war nothing happened that made the fight urgent in fact the problem is in one place and its impact is on the border it is only natural that china should look for friends in this region now.

Now, quite extensive and detailed information has appeared in the news, which, with rather significant evidence, indicates that the coronavirus was invented in Russia and, with the help of Iranian special services, was transferred to China with the legend that this virus was seized in Iraq. In China, he was placed in a laboratory in Wuhan. Putin dispatched two teams at intervals to infect Wuhan lab workers with the coronavirus to depict it leaking from the lab. And the Ukrainian plane in Tehran was shot down deliberately, since the samples of the coronavirus were transported on board to Canada and thus it was destroyed.
Now in China they already know about this and Putin is very afraid of revenge. Therefore, he recently closed in his bunker.
If all this rises at the official levels, then Putin will be in trouble.

[Jazmin Leslie]

Each country has different national conditions and different history, but the people will always find a way to adapt to their own country. The path of socialism with Chinese characteristics is also their way. To speak of China alone, I think
Advantage:

1. Their history before the founding of the country was very tragic. After the Second World War, they gave up their Confucianism for thousands of years, believed in Marxism, and walked out of the current path of Chinese characteristics. As far as I know, their rural life They have all reached the short-term goals stated by their leaders.

2. Taking this epidemic as an example, I have seen in many media that their Communist Party requires doctors and nurses to stick to their work regardless of the situation and save people first. And they don't allow people to go out. The epidemic is well controlled. In June, their countries no longer need to wear masks and can travel and live freely. Sometimes a one-party dictatorship can really save a lot of trouble and time.

3. Their goal is communism. In Marx's introduction to communism:

communism is a political viewpoint and ideological system, its birthplace is in Germany. Today's communism is based on Marx and Engels. Communism advocates the abolition of the private ownership of the means of production, the establishment of a society without class systems, exploitation, and oppression, and the realization of human self-liberation. It is also a society of socialized collective production, which will unite in the face of evil forces. The communists believe that in the future, all class societies will eventually transition to a communist society in which each will do its best and take each one's needs, and the ideology of human society will enter an advanced stage. I think this is a wonderful world.

[zanezane]

That's because they want to be the knight in shining armor that they want to be so they try their best to cover up their imperfections, think of China like a whore, they try to lie to you so they can get the attention that they want and hopefully get some favors out of you that only benefits her and then you will keep coming back. The control of information is the greatest weapon there is and China is using it really well.

[johnyj]

That's because they want to be the knight in shining armor that they want to be so they try their best to cover up their imperfections, think of China like a whore, they try to lie to you so they can get the attention that they want and hopefully get some favors out of you that only benefits her and then you will keep coming back. The control of information is the greatest weapon there is and China is using it really well.

Propaganda and information control also happens in Western, Snowden for example. It is all about the trust of the government. Unlike western, in China, if you do a poll, the government still have a very high degree of trust. Maybe because the citizens' free will have not grown to that level so that individuals start to require more freedom. In general CCP officers need to go through lots of education and practice in moral standard and hard work close to lowest level people, so even if they have the possibility to corrupt, it is not out of control like some countries in Africa and South America

[electronicash]

That's because they want to be the knight in shining armor that they want to be so they try their best to cover up their imperfections, think of China like a whore, they try to lie to you so they can get the attention that they want and hopefully get some favors out of you that only benefits her and then you will keep coming back. The control of information is the greatest weapon there is and China is using it really well.

Propaganda and information control also happens in Western, Snowden for example. It is all about the trust of the government. Unlike western, in China, if you do a poll, the government still have a very high degree of trust. Maybe because the citizens' free will have not grown to that level so that individuals start to require more freedom. In general CCP officers need to go through lots of education and practice in moral standard and hard work close to lowest level people, so even if they have the possibility to corrupt, it is not out of control like some countries in Africa and South America

china has control over their people. but this is no different in every country because government has the authority to do so. its citizen whether they like it or not they are bound to the laws of government.

Snowden and Assange are just few of the whistle blowers being silenced. Theyd have to seek nuetral places to be free otherwise theyd be prosecuted too. There is no freedom everywhere actually.

Assange citizenship was even revoked and now to be extradited while the daughter of Huawei CEO has nothing to do with spying is being detained in Canada and possibly sent to US for trial. are we seeing democracy in her situation?  its just like what Belarus president did to that journalist held in Minz airport.

[ene1980]

china has control over their people. but this is no different in every country because government has the authority to do so. its citizen whether they like it or not they are bound to the laws of government.

I am not sure about the level of control they have but what i know is that if anyone who stands against the government will be prosecuted in China and they will form some sort of manipulating in prosecuting anyone who stands against them to convince the general public and the difference is that in the Western world you cannot always get away just like that.

Snowden and Assange are just few of the whistle blowers being silenced. Theyd have to seek nuetral places to be free otherwise theyd be prosecuted too. There is no freedom everywhere actually.

Even with the situation with Snowden and Assange the majority of the general public will not believe what the government tells all the time and that freedom cannot be enjoyed by people in China to even raise their voice against the government and that is a huge difference.

[Easteregg69]

china has control over their people. but this is no different in every country because government has the authority to do so. its citizen whether they like it or not they are bound to the laws of government.

I am not sure about the level of control they have but what i know is that if anyone who stands against the government will be prosecuted in China and they will form some sort of manipulating in prosecuting anyone who stands against them to convince the general public and the difference is that in the Western world you cannot always get away just like that.

Snowden and Assange are just few of the whistle blowers being silenced. Theyd have to seek nuetral places to be free otherwise theyd be prosecuted too. There is no freedom everywhere actually.

Even with the situation with Snowden and Assange the majority of the general public will not believe what the government tells all the time and that freedom cannot be enjoyed by people in China to even raise their voice against the government and that is a huge difference.

Who knows?