Do poker and sports betting skills correlate?

[Betwrong]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

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[Kittygalore]

Nope, it's a bit different, remember that there are more analysis on sports betting than poker. Poker, on the other hand has analysis although it focuses more on bankroll management and psychology. That's my take on this question, probably these top 3 users are just really good at gambling, that's why they are on that position.

[NeuroticFish]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

The "sample size" is too small for the "survey" 
The fact that some people are more active, pretty good at poker and got lucky once at sports betting doesn't prove much 
I don't think that there's any correlation. The main link is probably their activity.

[Welsh]

The more active users are, the more likely they are to participate in these types of events. I haven't checked personally, however I would assume that if you did check those users post history, they would have participated in loads of different games, and rounds threads.

Even if the sample data is too small to establish any accurate conclusion, I would be quite surprised if there was any correlation  between the two. They are totally different, and require different skill sets. Poker especially so.

[Oasisman]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

The "sample size" is too small for the "survey" 

Absolutely!

However, If these people bets on any sports regularly and play poker regularly as well, then they will of course have a high chance of winning in both fields of gambling.
Sports betting requires a totally different analysis techniques than reading your opponents card when playing poker.
I somehow believe in the field of expertise. Once you're a good gambler it tends to be  you're good at every gambling activities that catches your interest.

[TimeTeller]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

The "sample size" is too small for the "survey" 

Absolutely!

However, If these people bets on any sports regularly and play poker regularly as well, then they will of course have a high chance of winning in both fields of gambling.
Sports betting requires a totally different analysis techniques than reading your opponents card when playing poker.
I somehow believe in the field of expertise. Once you're a good gambler it tends to be  you're good at every gambling activities that catches your interest.

I don't see any correlation as well. It just happen that those users are active in both sports betting and poker.
If they have long years of experience in those aspects of gambling, would be no surprise if they excel in those games.
Also, if they try different sports, which they are not very familiar of, I don't think they will get it right.
Sportsbetting needs at least knowledge of the teams involved and their performance, so you are not betting blindly.

[iv4n]

People who like to gamble rarely focus on just one game! So it's nothing more than that, playing poker doesn't stop you from placing bets on sports and all other events! And yes, some people are good at poker and sports betting! I like to play many gambling games as well, like most of us degens!

[Yogee]

It's probably just a coincidence that they are interested in poker and sports betting. I would say both would require data gathering and analytical skills as the correlation.

People who like to gamble rarely focus on just one game!

Exactly. Anyone could be good at sports betting while also good at coin flips or other gambling games and it doesn't mean anything.

[fiulpro]

I do think that it might be more about the experience rather than correlation. This can very easily be a luck by chance and at the same time when we are talking about correlation then it does not work like that at all. These are two very different things and you need certain skill set for both of them. It might be the case where they were good in both but not the other way around.

People who like to gamble rarely focus on just one game! So it's nothing more than that, playing poker doesn't stop you from placing bets on sports and all other events! And yes, some people are good at poker and sports betting! I like to play many gambling games as well, like most of us degens!

Exactly, they might just be good in everything. Who knows., But at the end if the day I do feel like it's more or so dependent on luck also, not just experience and skills. Therefore that is also a major factor that came into play.

[Poker Player]

It's probably just a coincidence that they are interested in poker and sports betting. I would say both would require data gathering and analytical skills as the correlation.

People who like to gamble rarely focus on just one game!

Exactly. Anyone could be good at sports betting while also good at coin flips or other gambling games and it doesn't mean anything.

Yes, I think it's a coincidence too. I've been playing poker for many years, on poker and betting forums and I don't remember a single case of a winning poker player who said he was into sports betting as well.

Some people claim to win in sports betting in the long run, just like in horse racing, for example, but I would say that poker is the game that depends less on luck and more on knowledge.

[ralle14]

Most likely a coincidence, it's possible for them to have better decision making skills but when it comes to making predictions it shouldn't have that much effect. I agree with what the others mentioned, these three are very active when it comes to the gambling board so it's not that surprising to see them win the prediction contest. Aside from that, it'll be interesting if all 30 poker participants also participate in some form of sports betting tournament.

[Cnut237]

Yes, I think it's a coincidence too. I've been playing poker for many years, on poker and betting forums and I don't remember a single case of a winning poker player who said he was into sports betting as well.
Some people claim to win in sports betting in the long run, just like in horse racing, for example, but I would say that poker is the game that depends less on luck and more on knowledge.

It may be a coincidence in this instance, and as others have said, the sample size is too small to form a conclusion.

However there is certainly an overlap between the skills required for sports betting and those required for poker. Your point about winning in the long run is I think important. I think I am reasonably good at poker, and have made more money than I've lost. Same for sports betting. The mathematics is important in both. If you judge there is a 30% chance of winning in any particular individual instance, then of course that will resolve to either win or lose, 0% or 100%. With two 30% events your outcomes can be 0, 50 or 100%... etc. In the long run, the combined outcomes will approach 30%. There are certainly differences in the skills required for poker and for sports betting, but understanding the mathematics and making decisions armed with a statistical analysis rather than going with gut instinct is invaluable in both.

[herurist]

I think there is no clear correlation between the two, both in poker and sports betting, both have different characteristics from each other and this cannot be equated because there is no correlation.
but perhaps what the two betting options relate to is that they are easily accessible online with many of the top sports betting and poker sites. The convenience of online betting allows sports bettors and poker players to play using a smartphone or computer whenever they want without having to pay extra to a local casino or sportsbook.
only that, nothing more

[harizen]

Technically, no correlation obviously.

Maybe the same approach that can also be apply to other gambling types. These guys might be knowledgeable at that sports, especially the league itself, so it's a factor why they won.

Take it as their other preferred activity. Of course, our skills and knowledge are not just limited to one.

[Zilon]

There are no correlations having the same set of users who won top 3 in sportsbooks.io participate in bitcointalk poker series, this might just be a coincidence having in mind both happen to be a game of luck even if a little physiological approach might be required for poker games and for sports an overall analysis on the players previous performances and even with all this analysis there is still no guarantee what so ever. It's just a coincidence

[bitgov]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

In my opinion, this is a complete coincidence. Of course, extra gaming strategy skills come in handy when betting on sports, but they're two very different types of gambling. To bet on sports you need knowledge that will not be useful at all when playing poker.

[goinmerry]

There's no connection to that. I didn't even come to the point of thinking that.

They are an active user in the forum so we will use to see them participating at different events here.

We have different talents and knowledge. We can do both gamblings of any type at the same time if we like.

[Slow death]

most people who are in games of chance like and study almost everything that the casinos offer, that is, it is normal that people like and bet on sports bets and at the same time on poker and at the same time on slot and other games. .. this does not mean that being good at poque will also be an advantage in sports betting. if you look at sports betting and poker, it's easy to see that you have to do different analyzes and with different strategies and bankroll management

[Saidasun]

There is more math when playing poker. Sports betting is more random if you can count cards. If you cannot count cards or have a good idea of the odds of a card showing up next then I would say it is just as random as sports. I have been gambling for a long time but statistics has never helped me with sports betting as there is a lot of long involved on the day. Poker is more predictable but I am not good enough at that to count cards and predict it. There is no relation to sports betting and poker except that the person likes to gamble

[blockman]

There's no relation to it. A gambler who is good at poker can also be good at sports betting and other games that they usually play for a long time.
They're good enough to win that prediction game because they're all for the game. In other instances, I may be a good poker player but I cannot be good at sportsbetting since I don't have much time to watch games and see who's good and what are the teams that I might be in favor of.

[gagux123]

Look, I can't answer this question very accurately, but I agree with what @Welsh said.
The more active the users, the more likely they are for these types of events to happen!
Another point that is also correlated is, the sample size (number/quantity) analyzed is very small for this research!

[just_Alice]

In this particular case, it might have been a coincidence. However, I think some sort of unifying factor may be present here. For both poker and sports betting skillfulness is required, though in sport betting luck plays a big role as well.

So, generally, a person that is more prone to analysis, more patient, more watchful, etc. is more likely to succeed in both poker and sports betting than an average person.

But it should also be taken into account, that there can be a pro poker player that is horrible at sports (or vice versa), in which case, there would be no correlation.

[Hippocrypto]

On my personal views about sports betting, the outcomes depends with the progress of the sports game and if you're good in determining the odds you had a bigger chances of winning. Unlike poker game, you need mind reading and strong analytical formulation which can be acquired when playing into mastery of this betting game.
If you're good at poker face reading, then you got the skills to play the game effortlessly.
You can't put these games in correlation because they actually differ from each other.

[Poker Player]

It may be a coincidence in this instance, and as others have said, the sample size is too small to form a conclusion.

However there is certainly an overlap between the skills required for sports betting and those required for poker. Your point about winning in the long run is I think important. I think I am reasonably good at poker, and have made more money than I've lost. Same for sports betting. The mathematics is important in both. If you judge there is a 30% chance of winning in any particular individual instance, then of course that will resolve to either win or lose, 0% or 100%. With two 30% events your outcomes can be 0, 50 or 100%... etc. In the long run, the combined outcomes will approach 30%. There are certainly differences in the skills required for poker and for sports betting, but understanding the mathematics and making decisions armed with a statistical analysis rather than going with gut instinct is invaluable in both.

I guess what they are similar in is the combination of mathematics with intuition.

But I see clear differences. For example, in poker there are times when you know 100% that you have the winning hand. Other times you know 99%, like when a very passive player reraises you (in this case you know he has the winning hand). I don't think you have those percentages in sports betting. Then, the example you give of 30% I suppose it is similar to when in poker you have the odds to chase a flush or a straight.

On the other hand, the bookmakers give odds for sport betting calculating also, you are calculating against the house and I see only a small margin of winning there. In poker if you want to win money you have to sit at tables where you know there are worse players than you. There I think there is more margin than your odds calculation vs the house odds calculation.

Of course neither activity is like casino games where you know they are inexorably EV- in the long run, even though you may have favorable results in the short run.

[perla]

Probably they are just really like gambling games no matter if its card game, sports betting or anything. I don't see any relation between the two rather than the willingness and hobby of the player on both games, it's really nice that they managed to be a good bettor and poker player at the same time.

[Smartprofit]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

Yes that's right. 

Poker players are often addicted to betting on the outcome of sports events.  This is due to the fact that these are similar types of human activities.  People try themselves in various activities.  Let's assume the poker player is successful.  He reads that people also make money by betting on sports.

I have analytical skills, he tells himself.  Why don't I try a new kind of activity? 

Successful people are always curious and love to do something new.

[YOSHIE]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

If you know the type of PokerClub88 game, of course, there are few similarities or reciprocity between poker and sports / football betting, what is prioritized is: the strategy that is played in PokerClub88 and is also a mix of skills that are often used.

In guessing also has something in common, poker requires card guessing and score soccer, similarly poker players are no strangers if they bet on soccer gambling, Physically, poker sports betting is not correlated, but betting is related, strategy, skill, guesswork, etc.


for them poker players bet on sports betting and win, I think it's based on luck and guesswork.

[imstillthebest]

are those 3 people also the top winners of the poker event ? if they are then that was really shocking but if they arent then not at all  .
maybe those guys only love gambling too much that they joined every events held in bitcointalk and they already built an experience  .
that can be thier common  . also the less number of participants did increase thier chance to win

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

I don't think so, they just might be really good at those games, I mean both needs some sort of analysis to make a good play to make sure that it's going just fine. I think that it's all a coincidence or something because we're trying to make sense the things that they're doing.

[BTCGOLD]

I have often read that it is used interchangeably. If a casino has a sports betting site as well as a poker section, some players play poker to relax or kill time from a game in progress. With low limits, of course.

[dustboy]

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

Coincidence only. Poker and Sports are 2 different thing, there is no correlation between these two gambling games. Required skills on both games are also different, I'm sure you do not need long explanation about it. If those 3 winners usually win on sports betting and poker contest, means that they have both poker skills and sports betting skills.

[Betwrong]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

The "sample size" is too small for the "survey"  
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I agree, and I think that's why what would be really interesting is what's said here:

~Aside from that, it'll be interesting if all 30 poker participants also participate in some form of sports betting tournament.

Only not once, of course, but many times, and then we would be able to make some conclusions.

~There are certainly differences in the skills required for poker and for sports betting, but understanding the mathematics and making decisions armed with a statistical analysis rather than going with gut instinct is invaluable in both.

That's right, and also good money management is required for both to be successful.

~ Of course, our skills and knowledge are not just limited to one.

That's why I wanted to discuss possible correlation here: poker and sports betting, undoubtedly, depend on skills and knowledge, at least to some degree.

There are no correlations having the same set of users who won top 3 in sportsbooks.io participate in bitcointalk poker series, this might just be a coincidence having in mind both happen to be a game of luck even if a little physiological approach might be required for poker games and for sports an overall analysis on the players previous performances and even with all this analysis there is still no guarantee what so ever. It's just a coincidence

I disagree. As I said earlier, poker and sports betting do not purely depend on luck.

most people who are in games of chance like and study almost everything that the casinos offer, that is, it is normal that people like and bet on sports bets and at the same time on poker and at the same time on slot and other games. .. this does not mean that being good at poque will also be an advantage in sports betting. if you look at sports betting and poker, it's easy to see that you have to do different analyzes and with different strategies and bankroll management

I think poker and sports betting can't be compared to purely luck based games, like slots and other similar games. They are very different games.

[Poker Player]

most people who are in games of chance like and study almost everything that the casinos offer, that is, it is normal that people like and bet on sports bets and at the same time on poker and at the same time on slot and other games. .. this does not mean that being good at poque will also be an advantage in sports betting. if you look at sports betting and poker, it's easy to see that you have to do different analyzes and with different strategies and bankroll management

I think poker and sports betting can't be compared to purely luck based games, like slots and other similar games. They are very different games.

They are indeed essentially different. As I was commenting above, casino games are EV- which means that the player will inevitably lose money in the long run. The larger the sample the surer it is and the more he will lose.

In poker, on the other hand, there are many players who develop an EV+ game, where the opposite happens as in casino games: in the short term they may lose, even against very bad players, but the larger the sample size, the more likely they are to be in profit and the higher the profits. Some people say that this can be achieved with sports betting, but I don't know that for sure.

[Wexnident]

They could be good, but it's not like one relies on the other. Poker pretty much is a player vs player game, while sports betting is based on analysis of the teams and whatnot. At its core, they're both analysis types of games, but the area they analyze is different. Though in general imo, gamblers would have one way or another experienced both sides so they'd have quite the familiarity with both types of gambling. Not to mention that if they're actual hard core gamblers, experiencing other types of gambling once or twice wouldn't really be rare.

[Cnut237]

I guess what they are similar in is the combination of mathematics with intuition.

But I see clear differences. For example, in poker there are times when you know 100% that you have the winning hand. Other times you know 99%, like when a very passive player reraises you (in this case you know he has the winning hand). I don't think you have those percentages in sports betting. Then, the example you give of 30% I suppose it is similar to when in poker you have the odds to chase a flush or a straight.

On the other hand, the bookmakers give odds for sport betting calculating also, you are calculating against the house and I see only a small margin of winning there. In poker if you want to win money you have to sit at tables where you know there are worse players than you. There I think there is more margin than your odds calculation vs the house odds calculation.

Of course neither activity is like casino games where you know they are inexorably EV- in the long run, even though you may have favorable results in the short run.

Yes, there are certainly differences as well as similarities. I was just trying to point out that the ability to make accurate mathematical assessments is invaluable in both poker and sports betting, and is the backbone of a successful strategy.

You are right that in sports betting you are often calculating against the house... but not always. There are some online betting platforms where the odds change considerably depending on how other platform users bet... which makes it a little more like poker.

But I'll defer to someone who has the word "Poker" as part of their user name* - I suspect you are more knowledgeable than me in this area!




*I'm still waiting for someone to defer to me on the subject of Anglo-Saxon history, but it's not come up in any of the threads yet

[rhomelmabini]

Maybe they're just versatile on both game or they got lucky on the sports match. I know how to play poker but I really suck at sports betting and that's a fact. The two games are just different and they don't have in correlation you may notice from the players that they are good on both games but that's nothing to rely on.

[worle1bm]

I have also participated in some poker games and don't think there is correlation among between both as poker required some different sorts of skills like making active move and judging the next opponents cards and then deciding your move with desired amount.But with sports betting you can't say like that because you are not playing yourself so it can have unpredictable results at anytime so according to me it's a mere coincidence nothing else.

[magneto]

More likely than not, they're just active participants in the gambling subforum.

Sure, raw poker skill could give you an edge but I don't think that it is a noticeable one at all. Successful sportsbettors generally have a great deal of contextual awareness that you simply can't gain from a knowledge of game theory or whatnot alone.

Classic example of correlation =\= causation here.

[michellee]

Maybe the correlation is because poker as a card game is one of the sports in many sports even but for the other such as skills, technique, methods, or else will be different than sports betting. Poker is like a game that needs skills to beat the opponent and sports betting is how people can select the sports they like. But I think poker players can also become sports bettor if they have the skills to analyze the sports and know what sports they can place the bet. So that gamblers have more skills to play different gambling games and I think that is a gift for them.

[Obito]

Maybe they're just versatile on both game or they got lucky on the sports match. I know how to play poker but I really suck at sports betting and that's a fact. The two games are just different and they don't have in correlation you may notice from the players that they are good on both games but that's nothing to rely on.

Versatile is a big word but I can accept it, I mean there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is that it's only two sports so I really don't think versatile is the good word, maybe good at the game might be appropriate since you can be versatile but you aren't good at those things that you're versatile at. Regarding the question, I think that it doesn't correlate because it's an entirely different game.

[Fundamentals Of]

I think it's just pure coincidence. Sports betting analysis depends on the particular sports. But I think the main factor in this one is your familiarity and experience. If you have been following each football game in a league for example, you can easily predict which team is going to make it against another team.

In poker, it's another skill that is involved. There is also the luck factor.

[bitzizzix]

In my opinion, poker and football betting is one of the games or bets that is played by most people and is also very popular.
it seems just coincidence and luck and they also master and understand both bets very well, and also what sets them apart from odds and luckier is the way they play it really well unlike most people betting emotionally and other related things which can be detrimental they.
because many bets use Adequate skill, and also use math and statistics very well but the result is not as expected, so I think it's just coincidence and luck is on their side.

[maju69]

whether poker is a type of sport> that's the question. if yes then there will certainly be some kind of correlation in it, because things in poker games have a level of exercise sharpening the brain and skills. And if not, then I think everything has a correlation, because poker and sports are often combined in one of the gambling sites in the sports feature.

[jrrsparkles]

To be a master we need extreme skills at analyzing and calculating which is also the same thing needed in the sport betting because we choose the team based on their skills and past results which is pretty much easier and more accurate when someone is having such prediction skills but these are just coincidence since not every master poker is going to win every games.

[wheelz1200]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

2 completely different skillsets. Poker can be won through skill based decisions whereas sports betting is still straight gambling.  Yes ypu need deep knowledge of the sport to possibly sway things your way but ultimately you control no part of that sport outcome, while you greatly affect whether you win a hand/game of poker based on your hand by hand decisions.  Probably more of a coincidence then anything else.

[capcaypro]

whether poker is a type of sport> that's the question. if yes then there will certainly be some kind of correlation in it, because things in poker games have a level of exercise sharpening the brain and skills. And if not, then I think everything has a correlation, because poker and sports are often combined in one of the gambling sites in the sports feature.

Poker is not a form of sport because poker is just a card game in which it uses skill, technique and method and accuracy in taking steps in every situation. but it does not fall into the category of sports.
but indeed on the other hand I really agree if you say that both in poker and other bets such as sports, you need skills, techniques, methods, and foresight in making decisions because this is very important.
but if you say the correlation is still there is no clear similarity between the two, it's just that the aspects that are in it such as techniques, methods, and foresight in decision making are indeed the same

[KTChampions]

It is difficult to answer this question since there is undoubtedly skill in poker, although its ceiling is quite low. Is there any skill in betting? I cannot answer this question since any bettor loses at a distance because of the advantage that the bookmaker has. What would have happened without this advantage is unknown  Naturally, in some specific sports, one bettor can be much stronger than another (who is studying another sport), but most likely there is no correlation with poker.

[Darker45]

It is difficult to answer this question since there is undoubtedly skill in poker, although its ceiling is quite low. Is there any skill in betting? I cannot answer this question since any bettor loses at a distance because of the advantage that the bookmaker has. What would have happened without this advantage is unknown  Naturally, in some specific sports, one bettor can be much stronger than another (who is studying another sport), but most likely there is no correlation with poker.

I guess there is also a skill in betting, in sports betting to be exact. After all, you do not just choose a team or a player randomly. An informed sports bet means you will make an analysis of the teams or players' capacities and working chemistry, strengths and weaknesses, statistics, and so on. Accurate sports analysis and prediction is a skill. But I don't think this kind of skill is the same skill which is needed in poker. In poker, you usually need a skill to assess the strength of your opponent's hand, a little of bluffing, a little of bet handling in terms of amount, and so on. So I share with you that there is likely no correlation between the two.

[hello_good_sir]

Don't think so.

Sportsbetting is all about knowing your teams well. Sure, there are some small EV calculations that you do in your head but nowhere near the extent of poker.

Poker is just a completely different ballgame. You need to know the niche strategies, how to read players, etc. Sportsbetting is more about finding the best odds, finding arbitrages and mispricings in the market. Different skillsets entirely.

[semobo]

When luck is on their side then they are going to win most of their bets no matter how good their betting skills is, but there is no correlation with poker and sport betting since both are completely different genres need different level of playing skills.

[Cling18]

I think it's just pure coincidence. Sports betting analysis depends on the particular sport. But I think the main factor in this one is your familiarity and experience. If you have been following each football game in a league, for example, you can easily predict which team is going to make it against another team.

In poker, it's another skill that is involved. There is also the luck factor.

Sports betting needs familiarity with every sport which includes a little survey about the pulse of most sports critics while poker needs skills about the strategies on how the game itself goes. Both have risks yet they are quite different. We could win in sports betting depending on our trusted players while we could win in poker depending on our luck and skills.

[acroman08]

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I can't think of anything of what part of poker skill they have that would influence their decision when it comes to sports betting. the two is a completely different game and requires a different set of experiences. I guess it is safe to say that it is just a coincidence that all of them participated in the bitcointalk poker series and sportbet.io event.

[Fesatmas]

There's no relation to it. A gambler who is good at poker can also be good at sports betting and other games that they usually play for a long time.
They're good enough to win that prediction game because they're all for the game. In other instances, I may be a good poker player but I cannot be good at sportsbetting since I don't have much time to watch games and see who's good and what are the teams that I might be in favor of.

It all depends on his expertise in both gambling games, be it from poker gambling or sports betting. Although only a few people can master 2 or three bets, the rest still often rely on one gamble by honing all aspects.
indeed when viewed from one side, there is no close relationship between poker and sports.

[geegaw]

I think it's just pure coincidence. Sports betting analysis depends on the particular sport. But I think the main factor in this one is your familiarity and experience. If you have been following each football game in a league, for example, you can easily predict which team is going to make it against another team.

In poker, it's another skill that is involved. There is also the luck factor.

Sports betting needs familiarity with every sport which includes a little survey about the pulse of most sports critics while poker needs skills about the strategies on how the game itself goes. Both have risks yet they are quite different. We could win in sports betting depending on our trusted players while we could win in poker depending on our luck and skills.

Indeed, poker is a game that exploits information from opponents and trains a skill to read the behavior of people around, knowing the expressions on other people's faces to define what they think while sports betting is about training the range of past data as well as observing a few stats of each team, but my general feeling is that the element of luck as well as the nature of the two are correlated with each other. These are games that can be won with skills created during betting and gambling but their skills are separate and unrelated

[Fredomago]

There's no relation to it. A gambler who is good at poker can also be good at sports betting and other games that they usually play for a long time.
They're good enough to win that prediction game because they're all for the game. In other instances, I may be a good poker player but I cannot be good at sportsbetting since I don't have much time to watch games and see who's good and what are the teams that I might be in favor of.

It all depends on his expertise in both gambling games, be it from poker gambling or sports betting. Although only a few people can master 2 or three bets, the rest still often rely on one gamble by honing all aspects.
indeed when viewed from one side, there is no close relationship between poker and sports.

yeah right, depends from expertise and if in both ends gamblers are familiar, it's very possible that they will play on it. It's hard to say about the level of skills since it's different situation when you are playing.

With poker you need to beat every players inside the table more on experienced reading faces and other startegy that may help to win,

while with sportsbetting, it's on anticipating how good the player/team will perform another sets of skills that you need to analyze the
game and the possible odds that you'll going to place your bets.

[Beparanf]

When luck is on their side then they are going to win most of their bets no matter how good their betting skills is, but there is no correlation with poker and sport betting since both are completely different genres need different level of playing skills.

I'm familiar with this guys as OP mention above, They are active here on gambling section competition and giveaway. They pretty good on analysis it helps them to have an advantage for winning besides luck. Luck is just a chances and we can't measure the success rate by that alone but with good analysis, You can increase your chance to predict the right score.

There's some relation to poker and sports betting, they both requires to analyse each player to determine the weak spot of each other. Maybe the user above knows perfectly how both teams performance when they face each that's why they can easily predict the outcome.

[maju69]

People who like to gamble rarely focus on just one game! So it's nothing more than that, playing poker doesn't stop you from placing bets on sports and all other events! And yes, some people are good at poker and sports betting! I like to play many gambling games as well, like most of us degens!

correlated, because both of them are the same bet with the same result whether it wins or loses. As for the physical concept, then it has no relation whatsoever to sport. Even so I still played the game for a long time. Betting on sports and playing poker is great fun.

[iv4n]

People who like to gamble rarely focus on just one game! So it's nothing more than that, playing poker doesn't stop you from placing bets on sports and all other events! And yes, some people are good at poker and sports betting! I like to play many gambling games as well, like most of us degens!

correlated, because both of them are the same bet with the same result whether it wins or loses. As for the physical concept, then it has no relation whatsoever to sport. Even so I still played the game for a long time. Betting on sports and playing poker is great fun.

It's not the same bet... how can be the same when you bet on cards in your hand and when you bet on people (individuals or teams)?! The only correlation between these two is the word "bet", but even that is questionable, if you know both games you will understand why!
Gambling should be entertainment, so playing any gambling game should be fun, after all, you choose the game you will play, you are not crazy to choose some game you don't like?!

[haidil]

In my opinion, poker and football betting is one of the games or bets that is played by most people and is also very popular.
it seems just coincidence and luck and they also master and understand both bets very well, and also what sets them apart from odds and luckier is the way they play it really well unlike most people betting emotionally and other related things which can be detrimental they.
because many bets use Adequate skill, and also use math and statistics very well but the result is not as expected, so I think it's just coincidence and luck is on their side.

Playing poker is not really my favorite so far, it's too difficult because I don't really know how to play the game. As for betting, anything I bet even for a small football match in a certain area I will visit it a real betting place. It is a pleasure in itself.
You really are a skill that can bet anywhere, even big gamblers, someone who has qualified skills will be confident with qualified abilities.

[dothebeats]

I don't think so. These winners are exposed to gambling, and would probably know more than a thing or two on the events that they are placing their money on. It's not really unnatural for some people exposed to gambling to know other games and sports to bet on. That is where they get their money, their bread and butter, and poker players are no exceptions to that. That's a mere coincidence at best, and not really enough to draw conclusions about their correlation.

[Silberman]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I think the answer is yes, maybe there is not a direct correlation as we must admit that the games are very different, however both games have to do with the prediction of outcomes, for example in poker you cannot just worry about what's in your hand, you need to worry about what is on the hand of your opponent and you need to figure out if what they have is better or worse than what you have, which is a similar process to what happens with sports bets, in which you need to figure out if the odds that you are given are actually fair and try to figure out if you can take advantage of them or not.

[Johnyz]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

Are you a gambler that only knows one game? I believe those are the real gamblers who plays a lot and places their bet on their favorite sports or team as well, but I don’t think skills correlate with each other because there’s no need for skills on sports betting, you just have to do your research and pray for your luck. We can gamble on any where as long as its legal, some are playing too many games and they loved it but I doubt that a gambler will only play one game for the rest of their gambling journey.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

Someone who has often been in gambling may learn and understand other games as well. Poker is more of a mental game and reading card possibilities. the sportsbook also reads the possible performance of the selected team. maybe their ability to analyze the posibilty of a match in a game is really that good.

[milewilda]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:
I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I dont know if this one is serious.. Dont you consider that each person could play multiple game or knowledgeable on wide variety of games and wont really be just sticking out on a single?
Dont know on what you are trying to prove or show off here.You do presume that those person are just the same? Even myself could consider that both knowledgeable with Poker and sports  betting
and it just turns out that those people mentioned or on common top rankings are having the same interest, just like that.

[agustina2]

Just take it as a pinch of salt.

There are users who have an idea of how to play in different game types. You also have that skills, OP. If those users can do Poker and Sports betting, you can also do both at the same time but on other game types. For me, I can also do both Sports betting and Poker but it's just that, I'm more comfortable betting in Sports betting.

To end my statement, there's no correlation between Poker and sports betting. The same skills were just applied.

[Rruchi man]

I believe that all the types of gambling require a particular skill set and pattern. In the case of poker, winning is more dependent on the individual playing the poker game unlike in sports betting where the individual placing the bet has to first analyse the performance and former statistics of the teams to know which will perform enough for him to place a bet on, that is winning is very dependent on team he is placing his bet.

[Peanutswar]

I don't think so there's any correlation between the two, we have different biases and skillset regarding gambling it depends on where you will focus with. There are people who really love having analysis, statistics, and team biases regarding with the sports game and some of them really love to have risk because it sports anything can happen with poker it's all about the chances or the data and statistics what is the probabilities of the upcoming year and hold by the others. Sometimes getting active in gambling make your brain activity active in different situations more critical thinking works.

[Xinarae*]

I don't see any relationship between these two gambling usually requires experience. It is very difficult to win if you do not have enough skills about the game the secret truth of the players is that each formulated winning bid will be just like the exact strategies and measures that only help significantly reduce the risk and increase the chances of winning. A thorough knowledge of the rules of the game understand the differences and the subtleties it makes it easy to play poker by collecting and analyzing accurate information related to a specific sporting event.

[semobo]

When luck is on their side then they are going to win most of their bets no matter how good their betting skills is, but there is no correlation with poker and sport betting since both are completely different genres need different level of playing skills.

I'm familiar with this guys as OP mention above, They are active here on gambling section competition and giveaway. They pretty good on analysis it helps them to have an advantage for winning besides luck. Luck is just a chances and we can't measure the success rate by that alone but with good analysis, You can increase your chance to predict the right score.

There's some relation to poker and sports betting, they both requires to analyse each player to determine the weak spot of each other. Maybe the user above knows perfectly how both teams performance when they face each that's why they can easily predict the outcome.

I agree that both games requires deep analyzing skills but its rare to see someone become master of both games because either they will choose one and wants to be a master at it, so these are just coincidence in my opinion because they got luck on their side so they able to win even the giveaways and other contents which chooses the random players.

[Wexnident]

I agree that both games requires deep analyzing skills but its rare to see someone become master of both games because either they will choose one and wants to be a master at it, so these are just coincidence in my opinion because they got luck on their side so they able to win even the giveaways and other contents which chooses the random players.

I'd say that Sports require more analytical skills while Poker requires a spontaneous decision-making kind of thing. Sports give you that time frame of before tournaments to study the players and their opponents, deriving a possible result from whatever data you have (past matches, training, current state, etc), while poker has that short time frame that needs you to decide on what to do after getting your cards and looking at the table. Luck is certainly a factor, but they'd have to be pretty skilled in analyzing stuff even with all that luck.

[tyz]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

From my point of view, not really. Both types work with probabilities, of course. But there are still factors in poker as in betting that you can not influence. In my opinion, their success is due to rationality and money or balance management. These are essential in both poker and betting. If these are applied consistently, then you can be very successful in both. Nevertheless, this alone is not enough, but you must also have background knowledge of sports betting or mental stability in poker to have constant success.

[pauloaragaomelo]

I agree that both games requires deep analyzing skills but its rare to see someone become master of both games because either they will choose one and wants to be a master at it, so these are just coincidence in my opinion because they got luck on their side so they able to win even the giveaways and other contents which chooses the random players.

The luck factor accompanies their victory because every analysis will not have precise accuracy and even the analysis does not work well according to predictions, bets are very tied to luck such as guessing soccer bets with a strong club choice but not always winning from every match.

[michellee]

I don't see any relationship between these two gambling usually requires experience. It is very difficult to win if you do not have enough skills about the game the secret truth of the players is that each formulated winning bid will be just like the exact strategies and measures that only help significantly reduce the risk and increase the chances of winning. A thorough knowledge of the rules of the game understand the differences and the subtleties it makes it easy to play poker by collecting and analyzing accurate information related to a specific sporting event.

The relation between these poker and sports betting is used to analyze to play but the analysis will be different between poker and sports betting. The more players can master the skills, the more chances for that player to win, but do not forget that luck still has its part to help us win. If that player knows how to make strategy in a poker card game and sports betting, we are sure he will win. But there is an option that he has skills in poker but not in sports betting.

[Betwrong]

There is more math when playing poker. Sports betting is more random if you can count cards. If you cannot count cards or have a good idea of the odds of a card showing up next then I would say it is just as random as sports. I have been gambling for a long time but statistics has never helped me with sports betting as there is a lot of long involved on the day. Poker is more predictable but I am not good enough at that to count cards and predict it. There is no relation to sports betting and poker except that the person likes to gamble

Poker, NL Hold'em in particular, is my favorite game, so I would be happy to agree with you, but I don't think people who love sports betting can easily accept this notion. And I wouldn't argue with them, tbh. I do sports betting myself, and I know that no way it is random, and what is more random among the two is a big question, imo. Both require some kind of skills, that's for sure.

[chaser15]

The luck factor accompanies their victory because every analysis will not have precise accuracy and even the analysis does not work well according to predictions, bets are very tied to luck such as guessing soccer bets with a strong club choice but not always winning from every match.

It's obvious that there's luck in there, on which gambling does luck doesn't play a factor?

But in sports betting or poker, luck is maybe a factor but for that luck to come, we need a good analysis on that. There is no accurate analysis but at least we have a basis on what are we betting on and not just doing some random or following certain picks.

In the case of those users in the topic, they know poker and sports betting and that's the reason why they are able to win in some competitions.

[Fredomago]

I agree that both games requires deep analyzing skills but its rare to see someone become master of both games because either they will choose one and wants to be a master at it, so these are just coincidence in my opinion because they got luck on their side so they able to win even the giveaways and other contents which chooses the random players.

I'd say that Sports require more analytical skills while Poker requires a spontaneous decision-making kind of thing. Sports give you that time frame of before tournaments to study the players and their opponents, deriving a possible result from whatever data you have (past matches, training, current state, etc), while poker has that short time frame that needs you to decide on what to do after getting your cards and looking at the table. Luck is certainly a factor, but they'd have to be pretty skilled in analyzing stuff even with all that luck.

Good point, mental skills and handling pressures are more present inside poker, while in sports betting there is a good deal of information that you can collect before you decide and pick the game that you'll going to bet.

Is more on balancing your decision in order to strengthen your position each deal that you call when playing poker. And besides, there' no bluff within sports betting you can't take that call and gamble your fate. It's all about analysing the teams or players that you'll put your trust in believing that edge is on them.

[hahay]

My opinion on it is just luck. When the same person or account can win in two different tournaments about poker and sports, of course they have the skills to play both. But still, in my view for example there was me for two different tournaments and winning them, I still think it was luck. Since it's very possible that I'll only get it once and not be able to repeat it again and again from time to time, unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

[palle11]

unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

There are no steady wins in games and both poker and sports are games except for the ways they are played. Skill might be considered in sports but winnings are not always guaranteed especially two equal teams playing but poker is gambling and gambling is based on luck. So I agree to luck for  gambling and skill for sports.

[haidil]

My opinion on it is just luck. When the same person or account can win in two different tournaments about poker and sports, of course they have the skills to play both. But still, in my view for example there was me for two different tournaments and winning them, I still think it was luck. Since it's very possible that I'll only get it once and not be able to repeat it again and again from time to time, unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

That's where skill gets a bit of luck in this regard, as those who possess it can simultaneously play in several betting options. Poker and sports betting is not an easy gamble, apart from relying on luck, skill will also be very important, so you can give ideas and not guess scores randomly.

[Fatunad]

My opinion on it is just luck. When the same person or account can win in two different tournaments about poker and sports, of course they have the skills to play both. But still, in my view for example there was me for two different tournaments and winning them, I still think it was luck. Since it's very possible that I'll only get it once and not be able to repeat it again and again from time to time, unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

That's where skill gets a bit of luck in this regard, as those who possess it can simultaneously play in several betting options. Poker and sports betting is not an easy gamble, apart from relying on luck, skill will also be very important, so you can give ideas and not guess scores randomly.

For playing out multiple games then this would really be just talking about capability of a certain gambler and i dont know on why OP got surprised that he had seen those same people
who do join up on sports betting and same goes on Poker  which he doesnt realize that we do all have multiple knowledge in terms of games that we do know and not just focusing
on a single one and when it comes to correlation then its just understandable that games basically doesnt have any connection at all.

[BOAEDAN]

I am not understand yet with poker and waste my time with sport betting exactly with football match, do not know how rule and how to play on poker gambling because not understand yet game play. Almost last year each week end only active on sport gambling specially with football match, I know almost football team on always update with team before match begin, so know which one club can to put betting or not and how much odds giving is most interested to play.

[paxmao]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand. Perhaps rather than a direct correlation, which could also be possible as everything in betting entails a certain ability to assess the chances and probabilities of events happening, is more about being in the "profession" of predicting and making money out of it. I would say that, in general, skills are specific for the prediction and generalist in the calculation abilities.

[Shasha80]

unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

There are no steady wins in games and both poker and sports are games except for the ways they are played. Skill might be considered in sports but winnings are not always guaranteed especially two equal teams playing but poker is gambling and gambling is based on luck. So I agree to luck for  gambling and skill for sports.

There is no guarantee of victory for all gambling games, because indeed all gambling games are based on luck. Including poker and sports betting,
both do require skill, but skill will not give you permanent wins. Skills in poker and sports betting will only open up the opportunity to get much
bigger wins, but the end result of luck is also needed. So why is it that when betting in sports, sometimes experience failure when betting on a strong
team, because gambling requires luck.

[semobo]

I agree that both games requires deep analyzing skills but its rare to see someone become master of both games because either they will choose one and wants to be a master at it, so these are just coincidence in my opinion because they got luck on their side so they able to win even the giveaways and other contents which chooses the random players.

The luck factor accompanies their victory because every analysis will not have precise accuracy and even the analysis does not work well according to predictions, bets are very tied to luck such as guessing soccer bets with a strong club choice but not always winning from every match.

In sport betting, if there a strong and weak team competing then almost everyone know which one is going to win so the odds will be very small means not really worth the risk for our money but in case if it goes wrong then the sportbook will take all the money. The sport betting will become more interesting when the odds are high since the teams are equally strong and the result will be highly unpredictable.

[Fesatmas]

I am not understand yet with poker and waste my time with sport betting exactly with football match, do not know how rule and how to play on poker gambling because not understand yet game play. Almost last year each week end only active on sport gambling specially with football match, I know almost football team on always update with team before match begin, so know which one club can to put betting or not and how much odds giving is most interested to play.

Don't try to bet if you don't understand it correctly, bet on gambling that if you can control 50% because the rest we also rely on luck. No one bets with 100% accuracy, therefore you can win at poker games if you get lucky even if you don't feel like you're in control. There are a lot of gambling that you can choose from, so use it as another alternative, Poker doesn't smell like you have to stop gambling right?

[robelneo]

The "sample size" is too small for the "survey" 
The fact that some people are more active, pretty good at poker and got lucky once at sports betting doesn't prove much 
I don't think that there's any correlation. The main link is probably their activity.

I agree with your opinion, 30 people don't prove that it correlates, there have to be more poker players participating to get a clear view if there is indeed a connection, but on my observation, there could be a correlation because these two activities, both needs analysis, and comparison of past events but like what I posted 30 people can't prove that it is a fact.

[chaser15]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand.

And there are really people that have lots of skills in several gambling games, of different types. It's just that these people take advantage of it so they participate in those events where they have knowledge. Luckily and fortunately, they have won.

It's not that surprising that we see people like that. They just take the opportunity to win since after all, they have knowledge that can assist them to win.

[Silberman]

Just take it as a pinch of salt.

There are users who have an idea of how to play in different game types. You also have that skills, OP. If those users can do Poker and Sports betting, you can also do both at the same time but on other game types. For me, I can also do both Sports betting and Poker but it's just that, I'm more comfortable betting in Sports betting.

To end my statement, there's no correlation between Poker and sports betting. The same skills were just applied.

I find your final statement to be kind of confusing, you say that there is no correlation between the two gambling games and then you say that the same skills were applied, doesn't that hints to a correlation between the games? Because at least to me it does, both games have to do with trying to predict outcomes and the chances that you have of winning each bet that you make, that makes the game similar enough that allows gamblers to more easily master each game as they are using similar skills.

[magneto]

My opinion on it is just luck. When the same person or account can win in two different tournaments about poker and sports, of course they have the skills to play both. But still, in my view for example there was me for two different tournaments and winning them, I still think it was luck. Since it's very possible that I'll only get it once and not be able to repeat it again and again from time to time, unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

Yeah, most of it is definietly luck.

However, poker and sportsbetting are actually one of the few areas in which skill actually matters. A good poker player has a very sizeable edge over a non-expert, and tipsters can generate positive EV over the long run if they know what they are doing.

Anyhow, I would say that there are certainly some overlap in terms of calculating EV, but this is only even relevant for really professional, high level players. Not everyday retail players.

[Betwrong]

unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

There are no steady wins in games and both poker and sports are games except for the ways they are played. Skill might be considered in sports but winnings are not always guaranteed especially two equal teams playing but poker is gambling and gambling is based on luck. So I agree to luck for  gambling and skill for sports.

Sports betting is one of the forms of gambling that involves skills, but it is called "gambling", nevertheless, because "Gambling is the wagering something of value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the intent of winning something else of value.". Sounds familiar? Yeah, because that's what can be said about sports betting.

And I completely disagree with you regarding poker. Poker is based on luck only partially. Many people say that poker is a game with 80% of skill and 20 % of luck, and I personally think that luck plays bigger role in poker, but no way you can say that "poker is based on luck" without mentioning skill at all.

[dustboy]

unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

There are no steady wins in games and both poker and sports are games except for the ways they are played. Skill might be considered in sports but winnings are not always guaranteed especially two equal teams playing but poker is gambling and gambling is based on luck. So I agree to luck for  gambling and skill for sports.

Sports betting is also a gambling, isn't it? Your statement sounds like that sports betting is not a gambling at all and your skills on it will be the one thing that affect the result. Skills and Luck are involved in both poker and sports betting. You may say poker is a luck based game only if you play it blindly without any skills, or in other words you play it like doing "all in" all the time with any cards on your hand.

[Oasisman]

~snip~

There are no steady wins in games and both poker and sports are games except for the ways they are played. Skill might be considered in sports but winnings are not always guaranteed especially two equal teams playing but poker is gambling and gambling is based on luck. So I agree to luck for  gambling and skill for sports.

Lol, did you seriously think being lucky alone in poker guarantee you a win? Poker requires skills, strategy, and experience. Poker is not like Dice where you are purely depending on your luck. Even If you are lucky in having a nice pair of hands in poker If you are easily bluffed by your opponent, there's no way you can win the game.
Sports betting and poker requires different type of skills, analysis, strategy, and experience.
Again, poker is different from any pure-luck based gambling games.

[AicecreaME]

I don't think so.

A lot of people in sports betting are just betting without doing any research to make their chances of winning big but instead relying on their luck and randomly making bets while in poker, it's the exact opposite. You need to count cards, to be able to predict more accurate your opponents card if you're that good in poker.

Sports betting is like DICE in my opinion, unless you'll take it seriously while Poker is a skill-based game that requires a lot of talent to have a win streak.

[michellee]

unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

There are no steady wins in games and both poker and sports are games except for the ways they are played. Skill might be considered in sports but winnings are not always guaranteed especially two equal teams playing but poker is gambling and gambling is based on luck. So I agree to luck for  gambling and skill for sports.

Sports betting is also a gambling, isn't it? Your statement sounds like that sports betting is not a gambling at all and your skills on it will be the one thing that affect the result. Skills and Luck are involved in both poker and sports betting. You may say poker is a luck based game only if you play it blindly without any skills, or in other words you play it like doing "all in" all the time with any cards on your hand.

Sports betting is also gambling because if that is related to money, that consider to gambling. But if you are just guessing what team or player will win on the game without money involved, that is not gambling but will depend on your skills to collect as much data as you can. Yes, skills and luck are involved in both sports betting and poker and if you can have better information about that, you can have a chance to win. If you do not have many skills in poker and only play randomly and suddenly, you win, that will be you are in the luck moment. And that will be the same if you place in the sports betting.

[Silberman]

My opinion on it is just luck. When the same person or account can win in two different tournaments about poker and sports, of course they have the skills to play both. But still, in my view for example there was me for two different tournaments and winning them, I still think it was luck. Since it's very possible that I'll only get it once and not be able to repeat it again and again from time to time, unless I can keep getting wins in every tournament continuously, then it's definitely a matter of skill. But if it's won only occasionally and not continuously, then I consider it just luck though indeed, I also believe in skill but it won't be perfect without luck.

Yeah, most of it is definietly luck.

However, poker and sportsbetting are actually one of the few areas in which skill actually matters. A good poker player has a very sizeable edge over a non-expert, and tipsters can generate positive EV over the long run if they know what they are doing.

Anyhow, I would say that there are certainly some overlap in terms of calculating EV, but this is only even relevant for really professional, high level players. Not everyday retail players.

It is true that the professionals are the ones that can take the most advantage out of the few games in which skill can play a factor in gambling games but even a newbie can improve enough to make a difference in his results, not enough to become a winner but enough to allow him to keep playing for longer and lose less money while enjoying more their gambling hobby, however this takes effort and very few people want to exert themselves when it comes to their hobbies.

[Alisha-k]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand. Perhaps rather than a direct correlation, which could also be possible as everything in betting entails a certain ability to assess the chances and probabilities of events happening, is more about being in the "profession" of predicting and making money out of it. I would say that, in general, skills are specific for the prediction and generalist in the calculation abilities.

You have a big point here "dedication" towards both games which will help you develop strategies that might play out most times. But there are no correlations between both because both are two different games entirely. Probability remains the underlying element that can bring both games under the same atmosphere that would make one feel both correlate.

[aioc]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

It's just an observation but we have no established fact that if you are good in poker you are good in sports betting, you get one scenario but one scenario cannot prove and establish the fact, it could be a coincidence, it needs a serious study to establish that, but poker and sports betting needs analysis that is the only correlation, but that does not establish a fact.

[hahay]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand. Perhaps rather than a direct correlation, which could also be possible as everything in betting entails a certain ability to assess the chances and probabilities of events happening, is more about being in the "profession" of predicting and making money out of it. I would say that, in general, skills are specific for the prediction and generalist in the calculation abilities.

You have a big point here "dedication" towards both games which will help you develop strategies that might play out most times. But there are no correlations between both because both are two different games entirely. Probability remains the underlying element that can bring both games under the same atmosphere that would make one feel both correlate.

Winning both different tournaments at the same time I don't think it has anything to do with strategy, but if it's about luck then maybe. About dedication, of course, many people dedicate their time to gambling but unfortunately, not all of them are as lucky as the winner of the tournament so I personally still think it is about luck that happens simultaneously.

[RealMalatesta]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

I do not think that they are even remotely close. I understand that they are neither set fixed results, for example dice is like that, it is automatic and robotic and you gamble that way, the only relation between poker and sports is the fact that it is not like that and you have to wait for the result. However, the "skills" involved are not the same, they are different and you can't be further apart than these two.

In poker you have to learn the game and practice and be better at it, there are many different approaches to it, in sportsbetting you have to just watch the games and become a good fan that knows which team is which and so forth. I would say that no great poker player would suddenly become a great sportsbettor overnight, those skills are not transferable like that and it would not work.

[Saint-loup]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand. Perhaps rather than a direct correlation, which could also be possible as everything in betting entails a certain ability to assess the chances and probabilities of events happening, is more about being in the "profession" of predicting and making money out of it. I would say that, in general, skills are specific for the prediction and generalist in the calculation abilities.

You have a big point here "dedication" towards both games which will help you develop strategies that might play out most times. But there are no correlations between both because both are two different games entirely. Probability remains the underlying element that can bring both games under the same atmosphere that would make one feel both correlate.

In gambling, probability is not just a small underlying element like you said. It's the key of the success in gambling. If you are mastering the probabilities of the game, you are already ahead of most of noobs taking part in the game even if you're in a bad luck day.

[chaser15]

If you are mastering the probabilities of the game, you are already ahead of most of noobs taking part in the game even if you're in a bad luck day.

You have a point and I agree with that.

It's what can we also call, having a big gambling experience. Even on the worst day, these gamblers with more experience can still think of a way how to cut that losing streak or survive the worst rounds because they have already been in the worst situation several times already throughout their gambling history.

They already felt the pressure, struggle, and difficulties whenever they are in that situation.

[Mahanton]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand. Perhaps rather than a direct correlation, which could also be possible as everything in betting entails a certain ability to assess the chances and probabilities of events happening, is more about being in the "profession" of predicting and making money out of it. I would say that, in general, skills are specific for the prediction and generalist in the calculation abilities.

You have a big point here "dedication" towards both games which will help you develop strategies that might play out most times. But there are no correlations between both because both are two different games entirely. Probability remains the underlying element that can bring both games under the same atmosphere that would make one feel both correlate.

Winning both different tournaments at the same time I don't think it has anything to do with strategy, but if it's about luck then maybe. About dedication, of course, many people dedicate their time to gambling but unfortunately, not all of them are as lucky as the winner of the tournament so I personally still think it is about luck that happens simultaneously.

Luck would always be a decisive factor and of course your skills and knowledge will really be also contributing on that aside on being lucky. Correlation in between your knowledge between games?
Come to think that not all would only just stick into particular single games and others are really knowledgeable on dealing with multiple games because we know that learning isnt really that
limited on single or a few and does vary on each person because we are totally different in terms to that.Why do really presume out that people cant deal with other games
if they had already known one?

[Saint-loup]

If you are mastering the probabilities of the game, you are already ahead of most of noobs taking part in the game even if you're in a bad luck day.

You have a point and I agree with that.

It's what can we also call, having a big gambling experience. Even on the worst day, these gamblers with more experience can still think of a way how to cut that losing streak or survive the worst rounds because they have already been in the worst situation several times already throughout their gambling history.

They already felt the pressure, struggle, and difficulties whenever they are in that situation.

There is a way to cut losing streaks in gambling games??  I wasn't aware of that. Could you tell me how skilled gamblers are doing that please?
Psychology is very important in gambling but I wasn't only talking about that, I was talking about the overall edge those players have against beginners.

[Poker Player]

There is a way to cut losing streaks in gambling games??  I wasn't aware of that. Could you tell me how skilled gamblers are doing that please?
Psychology is very important in gambling but I wasn't only talking about that, I was talking about the overall edge those players have against beginners.

I answer you with respect to what I know about poker. If you are a regular poker player it makes no sense to cut losing streaks simply because you are losing. Winning players have short term losing streaks, but if you keep playing without losing affecting you emotionally, you will get on a winning streak again sooner. It is better to schedule one or two hour playing sessions, for example, and play that long regardless of whether you win or lose.

It's key that it doesn't affect you emotionally. Experienced players are not usually affected but you can always have a bad day. At that moment it is better to leave the table and come back another day when you are fresher.

[Reid]

I answer you with respect to what I know about poker. If you are a regular poker player it makes no sense to cut losing streaks simply because you are losing. Winning players have short term losing streaks, but if you keep playing without losing affecting you emotionally, you will get on a winning streak again sooner. It is better to schedule one or two hour playing sessions, for example, and play that long regardless of whether you win or lose.

It's key that it doesn't affect you emotionally. Experienced players are not usually affected but you can always have a bad day. At that moment it is better to leave the table and come back another day when you are fresher.

Yes, that's true.
One of my good habits is that. Some call it a superstition belief but it's a tactic or telling yourself you can control your emotion.
When I feel like I have a bad day I don't give up but I try to rest it a bit. Go back a couple of hours and try again.
If the same thing keeps on happening then put it to a long rest and sleep it through.

About OP's question. I am a fan of sports gambling and also play poker on weekends before. I can tell you it's a lot different because updates in sports are moving unlike the stagnant rule in poker, it's just the people you are playing with that change but the cards are the same.

[Betwrong]

~
I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

I do not think that they are even remotely close. I understand that they are neither set fixed results, for example dice is like that, it is automatic and robotic and you gamble that way, the only relation between poker and sports is the fact that it is not like that and you have to wait for the result. However, the "skills" involved are not the same, they are different and you can't be further apart than these two.

Yes, at first glance those are different skills, but we actually don't know how our brain works, and, imo, only when we will be able to say something like "when we play poker these particular processes are happening in our brain, and when we do sports betting the processes are different, they require different connections to be developed etc." Unfortunately, we are not there yet. At this point we can only be guessing, without giving definite answers. Lewis Carroll was a talented mathematician, but he is better known as a great writer. Let alone Leonardo da Vinci. What if it wasn't a coincidence that they were talented in those fields?

In poker you have to learn the game and practice and be better at it, there are many different approaches to it, in sportsbetting you have to just watch the games and become a good fan that knows which team is which and so forth. ~

I think "so forth" is the keyword here , because watching the games and knowing which team is which is definitely not enough for successful sports betting.

[carlfebz2]

The reason may be that they do dedicate lots of time to follow the sports and the cards tournaments and they are able to find opportunities hidden in the sand. Perhaps rather than a direct correlation, which could also be possible as everything in betting entails a certain ability to assess the chances and probabilities of events happening, is more about being in the "profession" of predicting and making money out of it. I would say that, in general, skills are specific for the prediction and generalist in the calculation abilities.

You have a big point here "dedication" towards both games which will help you develop strategies that might play out most times. But there are no correlations between both because both are two different games entirely. Probability remains the underlying element that can bring both games under the same atmosphere that would make one feel both correlate.

Winning both different tournaments at the same time I don't think it has anything to do with strategy, but if it's about luck then maybe. About dedication, of course, many people dedicate their time to gambling but unfortunately, not all of them are as lucky as the winner of the tournament so I personally still think it is about luck that happens simultaneously.

Considering poker and sports betting does involve skills then we cant totally say that luck would only be the factor needed.When you are knowledgeable on both gambling then it wont really be that surprising that a

certain individual could really won those tournaments basing on how they would manage their time and its no brainer that someone could able to hit both if he's lucky and well or skilled enough.

Correlation? Nothing in between and this is just an ordinary scenario on where a person could do multiple type of gambling games and won both.

[RealMalatesta]

It's what can we also call, having a big gambling experience. Even on the worst day, these gamblers with more experience can still think of a way how to cut that losing streak or survive the worst rounds because they have already been in the worst situation several times already throughout their gambling history.

They already felt the pressure, struggle, and difficulties whenever they are in that situation.

The same also applies to sports betting. If you are an experienced bettor who gets better odds than most and knows more than others. Even on a bad day when 1.1 odds bets are losing, you will still end up minimizing your losses because you have the experience to realize that it's time to stop for a while.

I have not played poker much but it has much smaller house edge as compared to sports and that's because the room for skills is higher in sports betting as compared to casino games or poker.

[coin-investor]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I think there is but the story you've shown to us cannot establish the fact, the only correlation is they both need concentration and analysis maybe that contributes to their winnings but like what I said there should be a study if there is a truth that if you are good in sports betting you are also good in poker, you need to be a long time players of both to get a winning percentage.

[Jackl87]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I don't really think that there is a correlation here or at least not a significant one. I would assume that those 3 winners are just guys that join every competition or giveaway in this forum and that this is the only reason why they appear on more than one list of winners here in this forum. I think that sports betting and Poker are two completely different things that need different skill Sets. To be a good Poker player you need to be able to hide your feelings and emotions from the other players and you also need to be able to to read the body language of the others.

[Silberman]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

It's just an observation but we have no established fact that if you are good in poker you are good in sports betting, you get one scenario but one scenario cannot prove and establish the fact, it could be a coincidence, it needs a serious study to establish that, but poker and sports betting needs analysis that is the only correlation, but that does not establish a fact.

Which is why they are asking the question to try to get insight from the community about what they are seeing, to me it makes sense that there is some correlation, as an example if you know how to swim using one of the many different strokes there are then it stands to reason that you can  learn and use the other styles relatively quickly, you are not going to be a master of those styles but you can easily use them if you already know how to swim, this is similar, if you know to play poker then you already know about probabilities, strategies, money management and you have the patience to apply them, factors that are important when it comes to sport betting.

[boyptc]

I think there is but the story you've shown to us cannot establish the fact, the only correlation is they both need concentration and analysis maybe that contributes to their winnings but like what I said there should be a study if there is a truth that if you are good in sports betting you are also good in poker, you need to be a long time players of both to get a winning percentage.

Being good in sports betting and poker.

This can be done by those gamblers that have been on it for a long time. As a gambler, I know that there are those people that are advanced with these games.

But to correlate it, it's an individual skill.

[smyslov]

Today seeing the results of the Sportsbet.io ⚽ Brazil v Spain prediction game:

I noticed that all the guys in the top 3 were at some point participating in the Bitcointalk Poker Series. Now, it's not that a lot of people were participating there, somewhere around 30 ppl max, so I started wondering is there a correlation.

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

Yes, there's a possibility because both events involved deep analysis, study, and experience if those 3 participants in the top 3 have all these, there's a possibility that luck did not put them there but all the traits I've mentioned, but it's only a possibility there's no concrete evidence 3 subjects alone cannot make a fact.

[ralle14]

I answer you with respect to what I know about poker. If you are a regular poker player it makes no sense to cut losing streaks simply because you are losing. Winning players have short term losing streaks, but if you keep playing without losing affecting you emotionally, you will get on a winning streak again sooner. It is better to schedule one or two hour playing sessions, for example, and play that long regardless of whether you win or lose.

It's key that it doesn't affect you emotionally. Experienced players are not usually affected but you can always have a bad day. At that moment it is better to leave the table and come back another day when you are fresher.

Same goes for sports betting, once you've been through several losing streaks you'll eventually get used to these streaks but there are times where it's better to stop and take a day off or two from betting depending on the scheduled matches. These streaks come and go that's why most gamblers recommend a bankroll management strategy but unfortunately some gamblers lose composure and get carried away.

I have not played poker much but it has much smaller house edge as compared to sports and that's because the room for skills is higher in sports betting as compared to casino games or poker.

For sports betting it's more like a betting fee rather than a house edge since the profit margin's set by sportsbooks doesn't affect the winning chance of the match unlike in casino games.

[lienfaye]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I think its just a coincidence and there's no correlation.
Poker and sports betting are two different games with different ways to have a chance to win. Instead of correlation, I'd think these players are just knowledgeable on the games that they're interested in to play. Thats why skills and strategy are always the edge of a gambler to win.

[Poker Player]

I think its just a coincidence and there's no correlation.
Poker and sports betting are two different games with different ways to have a chance to win. Instead of correlation, I'd think these players are just knowledgeable on the games that they're interested in to play. Thats why skills and strategy are always the edge of a gambler to win.

If you had read some of the thread, instead of coming here to say what you think and that's it, you would have realized that there are correlated skills. For example, a mix between intuition and probability calculation, bankroll management and emotion control are common and key in both betting games.

[hahay]

What are your thoughts on this, guys?

I think its just a coincidence and there's no correlation.
Poker and sports betting are two different games with different ways to have a chance to win. Instead of correlation, I'd think these players are just knowledgeable on the games that they're interested in to play. Thats why skills and strategy are always the edge of a gambler to win.

I agree, the poker game is the same for many years. If you learned the game once and have a decent strategy that is profitable than you should just stick to it. There is no need to constantly change your game. It's better to stick to a good strategy and play many hands than trying to find the perfect strategy. For sports betting however, we need to constantly follow the games. See which teams are performing better, which players are getting transfered and who is injured.

I think even though the poker game continues like that doesn't mean we can use the same strategy all the time, because in the end you will only lose everything if you are not skilled. I personally have experienced it and because of that, I can say that because even though the game is the same but the fact is that we have to remain skilled if we want to make a profit. But when it comes to whether or not there is a correlation between poker and sports betting, then I would say they both just require skill and luck.

[Victorycoin]

There is an important difference between gambling and sports gambling, and it makes sense many sites with online games are an interactive casino where the games are held with real money participation a gambler must have the necessary skills and techniques to play poker. Without skills the chances of winning will be much lower. Poker is a form of card gambling but is often considered a skill based game it is possible to win only if one person has the skills, but for sports, teams have to be considered.

[Saint-loup]

There is a way to cut losing streaks in gambling games??   I wasn't aware of that. Could you tell me how skilled gamblers are doing that please?
Psychology is very important in gambling but I wasn't only talking about that, I was talking about the overall edge those players have against beginners.

I answer you with respect to what I know about poker. If you are a regular poker player it makes no sense to cut losing streaks simply because you are losing. Winning players have short term losing streaks, but if you keep playing without losing affecting you emotionally, you will get on a winning streak again sooner. It is better to schedule one or two hour playing sessions, for example, and play that long regardless of whether you win or lose.

It's key that it doesn't affect you emotionally. Experienced players are not usually affected but you can always have a bad day. At that moment it is better to leave the table and come back another day when you are fresher.

Yes I agree with you, leaving the game/the table will be beneficial on a psychological level, which is important in skilled games like poker but it doesn't cut a losing streak in a probabilistic/statistical way. That is to say, if you are playing at a pure gambling game like roulette or a dice game, it won't really change the outcomes at the end. It can help newbies to not quickly dry up their bankroll by trying to chase their losses though.

[KTChampions]

I think its just a coincidence and there's no correlation.
Poker and sports betting are two different games with different ways to have a chance to win. Instead of correlation, I'd think these players are just knowledgeable on the games that they're interested in to play. Thats why skills and strategy are always the edge of a gambler to win.

If you had read some of the thread, instead of coming here to say what you think and that's it, you would have realized that there are correlated skills. For example, a mix between intuition and probability calculation, bankroll management and emotion control are common and key in both betting games.

What you have listed is too general skills to claim any correlation based on them. If you follow this logic, then investments, poker, forex, etc. have a high correlation (which is actually not the case). To state the correlation between poker and betting, it is tedious to identify some more specific skills/patterns.