Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again?

[aoluain]

The images from the airport at Kabul is quite disturbing, people were literally falling off a plane that just took off. Is it that bad or are people trying to take advantage of the situation and move to the Western world? I hope order is restored sooner than later

Ya, that video is insane. Did those people think they’d be able to hold onto the side of a plane and fly to America? They were willing to die trying something so insane as opposed to living their lives. This shows just how much we got their citizens to rely on us, only to have a president leave them alone and in danger. 20 years wasted in 4 days. This is what weak leadership leads to.

I think the Afghan military were severely overestimated, either they were totally
overwhelmed and knew fighting was a waste of time or if they did fight and were
captured would be brutalised.

With the military unable to defend the country  there is nothing leadership can do
against the Taliban.

After the country was liberated from the Taliban so much changed for the citizens,
women and children could get access to education for example, now those people
are very fearful of returning to a regime dating back to the dark ages, everything changes for them.

[Pbacala]

We were not an occupying force, we were there upon the invitation of the democratically elected government.

I wonder if this is a joke

[Gyfts]

What a terrible speech.

Yeah Biden, we get it, you want to withdraw from Afghanistan. In fact, you probably have some Trump supporters and isolationists that are with you.

Problem is how he did it. Let the Taliban take over American military grade equipment, create a humanitarian crisis by not assisting in relocation efforts, and then under estimating the speed at which the Taliban retake Afghanistan. He tried to make this about ending the war, something everyone in the world agrees with, because American's goal in foreign policy is usually invading a country, fucking it up even more, and then leaving like it a mess like nothing ever happened.

[Igebotz]

After listening to President Biden's press conference, I believe the uprising will last for a long time. Biden stated that America will no longer send her sons and daughters to Afghanistan to die for the Afghan people, and that the Afghan government has been given all necessary tools and support to protect her citizens from Taliban militias.

This sends a strong message to other countries that rely on American soldiers; West African countries face similar terrorist threats. It is never a good idea to negotiate.

[suchmoon]

We were not an occupying force, we were there upon the invitation of the democratically elected government.

LOL WTF. Taliban invited the US invasion in 2001? Democratically elected?

Well, I guess they disinvited it now and "democratically elected" themselves again.

Idiotic claims like this is what needs to stop before there can be any hope of solving the never-ending wars.

[tabas]

It's all over in the news worldwide that the Taliban is now in Kabul and has taken over. I just hope that their word will mark and will be followed to the poor citizens that have been left there that there's no violence that will happen and things will remain normal. Knowing that these words are from the terrorist, that won't give any confidence.
But I cannot think of that after watching those videos of panicking people wanting to leave the country and crowding the airport and want to go elsewhere.

[PrimeNumber7]

We were not an occupying force, we were there upon the invitation of the democratically elected government.

LOL WTF. Taliban invited the US invasion in 2001? Democratically elected?

Well, I guess they disinvited it now and "democratically elected" themselves again.

Idiotic claims like this is what needs to stop before there can be any hope of solving the never-ending wars.

When we invaded in 2001, we were not invited, and Afghanistan was not a democracy. Once we were able to remove the Taliban from having control of Afghanistan, elections were held, and the elected government asked us for help in fighting the insurgency.

The cost of remaining in Afghanistan was very low. American troops were engaged in very little actual combat. Afghanistan is not the only war zone American troops remained in after the war was won. World War 2 ended over 75 years ago, but we have 60k+ troops stations in Europe, the Korean war fighting ended via an armistice over 65 years ago, but we have 28k troops in South Korea, the USSR fell over 30 years ago, but we have 70k troops in former Soviet states.

Leaving any of the above would likely result in our enemies taking advantage of the situation, and there would be conflicts involving our allies losing wars against our enemies, just as what happened in Afghanistan.

[Gyfts]

When we invaded in 2001, we were not invited, and Afghanistan was not a democracy.

Well to be fair, you were invited, just by yourselves  

We shouldn't be too harsh on Biden, ending a 2 trillion dollar endeavor.

The neocons shouldn't turn into globalists just to spite him. After all, it's what they wanted. Consider the consequences of staying, prolonging an endless "war" that need not be. Of course, I use war loosely, because there hasn't been an actual war related death in something like a year.

[suchmoon]

there hasn't been an actual war related death in something like a year.

There hasn't been an American (perhaps NATO either, not sure) death in a long time, since February 2020 IIRC. But there has been an increase of Afghan deaths (millitary and civilian) in 2021 and 4000-5000 people died in this war every year in the last decade.

[Cnut237]

As for leaving painlessly... we should have offered asylum to everyone who wants it. But that would never fly (no pun intended) in any Western country, or any country really. No one wants millions of Afghanis. We want to be outraged about our foreign fuckups from a safe distance.

Yes, this is sadly the case. Some countries are better than others, though. Sweden I think are pretty good, and Germany have taken over 1 million refugees in recent years.
My own country is probably one of the worst. We had a referendum on xenophobia a few years back, and the bad guys won.

It's a sad fact that migrants (including refugees fleeing persecution) are demonised almost everywhere. Particularly in Western nations with aging populations that would benefit hugely from an influx of largely working age people.

[cabron]

They were willing to die trying something so insane as opposed to living their lives.

Or heavens forbid, they fight against the Taliban. If one is certain to die it would far better that it be by defending your country vs attempting a zero-chance of survival from fleeing it like that.

The Talibans promised to the people that they will not retaliate to the Afgan government bu I guess they couldnt trusf the word so they want to run as far as they could. Disturbing video really so why did the plane still tried to fly when they know there are people hanging there on the wheels?

Pakistan also open their borders for them. No country so far had offered to the refugees too.

[flip4flop]

This is sad to see but is really no different than when Russia was involved and tried for years to do the same thing.  The Taliban just did what they are good at which is waiting out the occupation by fleeing to the mountains or over into Pakistan and utilizing low level fighters to carry out attacks until whoever is in their country leave.  Soon as they feel the largest portion of the force has departed the very swiftly retake the key areas of the country. Sad to see so many who will suffer.

[Cnut237]

No country so far had offered to the refugees too.

Biden has today apparently authorised an emergency $500m to help the refugees, which is a good move.
As you might expect, the far-right has been vociferous in concocted outrage at this decision. But weirdly, Trump has come out on Biden's side... just probably not on Twitter 

[jrrsparkles]

They were willing to die trying something so insane as opposed to living their lives.

Or heavens forbid, they fight against the Taliban. If one is certain to die it would far better that it be by defending your country vs attempting a zero-chance of survival from fleeing it like that.

The Talibans promised to the people that they will not retaliate to the Afgan government bu I guess they couldnt trusf the word so they want to run as far as they could. Disturbing video really so why did the plane still tried to fly when they know there are people hanging there on the wheels?

Pakistan also open their borders for them. No country so far had offered to the refugees too.

People don't want to live like a hell for their remaining life that is why they are trying their best to escape from there because we are going to see a North Korea like government in Afghanistan from now on and I also watched that video in Twitter, two guys fell in the mid air and died as well.

Until now Taliban claims that they are not going to impose strict laws like what happened in their previous ruling period but this says that this is the end of US era.

[shahzadafzal]

All other points might be true or can be fulfilled but i highly doubt the last one. Narcotics-free not so soon i guess.

[Zedpastin]

Biden is focused on helping the people stuck in Afghan atm but he does say that he will not be passing the war onto the next president. It sounds like the world has accepted that the Taliban has successful become the new government and there will be no future resistance. China and Russia looking for friendly ties to Afghanistan.

[Gyfts]

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They won't do any of these things. They sure as hell won't respect women either. Never take Islamic terrorist seriously when they subject women to the torture of islamic theocracy. They'll be sure to rape women, or stone women to death for the crime of going out uncovered, or being unaccompanied by a man at the local shop.

These extremists' idea of treating women fairly is in accordance to their own twisted mentality in strict adherence to the core values of Islam. If you've ever read the Quran, it doesn't embody equality too well.

[Pbacala]

This is specially for some opinions here

[PrimeNumber7]

We shouldn't be too harsh on Biden, ending a 2 trillion dollar endeavor.

The neocons shouldn't turn into globalists just to spite him. After all, it's what they wanted. Consider the consequences of staying, prolonging an endless "war" that need not be. Of course, I use war loosely, because there hasn't been an actual war related death in something like a year.

The consequences of staying includes spending a little bit of money in order to guarantee Afghanistan won't be a haven for terrorists.

The US and NATO forces have not engaged in combat since 2014. The last time the US lost a service member in Afghanistan was 18 months ago. The Afghan military was fighting the Taliban with US support, primarily air support (that the US withdrew).

there hasn't been an actual war related death in something like a year.

There hasn't been an American (perhaps NATO either, not sure) death in a long time, since February 2020 IIRC. But there has been an increase of Afghan deaths (millitary and civilian) in 2021 and 4000-5000 people died in this war every year in the last decade.

You make a good point in that the Afghans clearly were willing to fight the war with US assistance.

There are reports the Taliban is going door to door killing people who worked with the US and for the previous government, and raping women in said families.

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All other points might be true or can be fulfilled but i highly doubt the last one. Narcotics-free not so soon i guess.

Yea, none of this is true. They want the world to legitimize their new government and want to reduce the chances that the rest of the world will intervene.

[jrrsparkles]

Biden is focused on helping the people stuck in Afghan atm but he does say that he will not be passing the war onto the next president. It sounds like the world has accepted that the Taliban has successful become the new government and there will be no future resistance. China and Russia looking for friendly ties to Afghanistan.

Not really, he is just evacuating the American people living in Afghanistan and he said the Kabul will be in their control for the next few months but Taliban took over the control in just under a week which itself makes everyone to think that Biden is on the losing side here. Most of the governments recognized that Taliban as one of the terrorist group so these drama of peace talk is all about the remove such tag and make them to be a legalized group.