🥶 Winter Beijin 2022 🥶 Discussion and bet thread 🥶 Winter Game 🥶

[joker_josue]

Covid19 is getting complicated once again, omicron variant is getting out of control in many countries once again. I don't think winter Olympics will be cancelled but they will defiantly go on without spectators from outside china. Its best to go with this approach, as we have to live with this virus for sometime.

China is creating a bubble around all athletes and federations participating in the games. As well as for all employees and volunteers of the event. All are tested, quarantined when they arrive in China, and live isolated from the rest of the population.

Therefore, nothing indicates that the games are cancelled. We just won't see spectators at game locations.

[Davidvictorson]

Covid19 is getting complicated once again, omicron variant is getting out of control in many countries once again. I don't think winter Olympics will be cancelled but they will defiantly go on without spectators from outside china. Its best to go with this approach, as we have to live with this virus for sometime.

China is creating a bubble around all athletes and federations participating in the games. As well as for all employees and volunteers of the event. All are tested, quarantined when they arrive in China, and live isolated from the rest of the population.

Therefore, nothing indicates that the games are cancelled. We just won't see spectators at game locations.

For all the things China does wrong, the zero COVID-19 policy is not one of them. The Chinese are probably one of the best equipped to tackle a safe and well organised Covid-free Olympics. The "closed-loop" is gonna operate on a very different standard than the rest of the society, more likely to be something similar to the Tokyo Olympics. And as long as everything goes well on the outside, there's gonna be an immense amount of resources put into the closed-loop, which is gonna take care of any situation.

[joker_josue]

For all the things China does wrong, the zero COVID-19 policy is not one of them. The Chinese are probably one of the best equipped to tackle a safe and well organised Covid-free Olympics. The "closed-loop" is gonna operate on a very different standard than the rest of the society, more likely to be something similar to the Tokyo Olympics. And as long as everything goes well on the outside, there's gonna be an immense amount of resources put into the closed-loop, which is gonna take care of any situation.

China is getting even more restricted than games in Japan.

In Japan, only international delegations were in a bubble, and officials could leave and enter the Olympic city.
In China, no one is allowed to leave the event location, including staff. And when it is necessary to leave the place, they go in well-identified vehicles, so that in case of an accident, the support teams take the necessary precautions.

[wxa7115]

For all the things China does wrong, the zero COVID-19 policy is not one of them. The Chinese are probably one of the best equipped to tackle a safe and well organised Covid-free Olympics. The "closed-loop" is gonna operate on a very different standard than the rest of the society, more likely to be something similar to the Tokyo Olympics. And as long as everything goes well on the outside, there's gonna be an immense amount of resources put into the closed-loop, which is gonna take care of any situation.

China is getting even more restricted than games in Japan.

In Japan, only international delegations were in a bubble, and officials could leave and enter the Olympic city.
In China, no one is allowed to leave the event location, including staff. And when it is necessary to leave the place, they go in well-identified vehicles, so that in case of an accident, the support teams take the necessary precautions.

I think this is the correct way to go about this, I mean the risk is simply too high for those athletes, the games are held every four years and if they get covid they will lose the opportunity of a lifetime, we must not forget that while the stars of the games participate many times over the majority of the athletes only participate in a single edition of the games.

And it would be a shame that even if they took all the precautions to protect themselves they got the virus from a person that was allowed to go outside the bubble in which they are living.

[galambo]

China is getting even more restricted than games in Japan.

In Japan, only international delegations were in a bubble, and officials could leave and enter the Olympic city.
In China, no one is allowed to leave the event location, including staff. And when it is necessary to leave the place, they go in well-identified vehicles, so that in case of an accident, the support teams take the necessary precautions.

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

[LTU_btc]

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

[AmoreJaz]

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

this is why we will be reading news that some of the athletes are experiencing anxiety and depression. and a lot of them are doing their training in isolation which is already taking a toll on their mental health. but slowly, they are accepting this new normal. so yes, hard to achieve the 0 goal here. but as much as possible, at least contain the situation once they identify the possible source of infection. life goes on even for athletes. they need this event to forget the bout of depression that a lot are struggling.

[joker_josue]

this is why we will be reading news that some of the athletes are experiencing anxiety and depression. and a lot of them are doing their training in isolation which is already taking a toll on their mental health. but slowly, they are accepting this new normal. so yes, hard to achieve the 0 goal here. but as much as possible, at least contain the situation once they identify the possible source of infection. life goes on even for athletes. they need this event to forget the bout of depression that a lot are struggling.

That's why in these games, as well as those in Tokyo, the winners will be the athletes who are better mentally than even physically.

Before Covid, an athlete could even be very well mentally, but if physically he was a little lower than others, he would hardly be able to win. Today he is a little on the contrary, he may even be the best athlete in the world, but for not being well mentally, he ends up not having good performances.

This in turn gives the opportunity to lesser known athletes, who in a normal situation would hardly win, now get a good result because they are mentally strong, even though they don't have the best physical condition.

[LUCKMCFLY]

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

I agree with you, now everything is putting Covid-19 before everything, and I have seen that the measures they take to avoid contagion have no effect, this virus is something that obviously the human being created and that it does not It is known if they will actually have the cure, the truth is that I am skeptical about believing in the WHO and any organization, because I know that all this is based on a business model, but that it is directly affecting such an important event, which should not be above sport, and I believe that here sport should prevail and not other interests.

[wxa7115]

this is why we will be reading news that some of the athletes are experiencing anxiety and depression. and a lot of them are doing their training in isolation which is already taking a toll on their mental health. but slowly, they are accepting this new normal. so yes, hard to achieve the 0 goal here. but as much as possible, at least contain the situation once they identify the possible source of infection. life goes on even for athletes. they need this event to forget the bout of depression that a lot are struggling.

That's why in these games, as well as those in Tokyo, the winners will be the athletes who are better mentally than even physically.

Before Covid, an athlete could even be very well mentally, but if physically he was a little lower than others, he would hardly be able to win. Today he is a little on the contrary, he may even be the best athlete in the world, but for not being well mentally, he ends up not having good performances.

This in turn gives the opportunity to lesser known athletes, who in a normal situation would hardly win, now get a good result because they are mentally strong, even though they don't have the best physical condition.

I agree, when people think of the Olympic Games most of the time they think on the impressive athletic performances that we see, however they do not take into account what is behind, which is the mentality that brought them to that point on their lives.

So someone that can deal with adversity and with difficult circumstances in a more healthy way is someone that has a great advantage over their competitors during these games, and we know this is true because on the Summer Olympic games we saw a lot of surprises because of this.

[TopTort777]

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

[joker_josue]

Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

The question will be rather: are there athletes participating who do not have asthma? 

Unfortunately, high competition sport begins to enter a level, where the demand to overcome records is so high and meaningless, that some kind of scheme is almost always accepted (as long as it is not too scandalous). It's sad and shameful.

[galambo]

That's a good approach. If we want to move things with covid19 then we have to place such restrictions. Even with such restricted approach you cant guarantee there will be zero covid19 case in winter Olympics but good thing is winter Olympics are going to start on scheduled date. I am excited to see ice hockey in action.

I don't want to go into politics too much, but I don't think that measures that China or Australia is taking against covid19 isn't normal. As you said, it's not possible to reach 0 covid19 cases and all these very strict measures affect peoples life in negative way too much.
As for Olympics, it's somewhat understandable that athletes will live in the bubble with daily testing and other stuff that we saw in Summer Olympics. IMagine, atheletes prepare for Olympics for 4 years and they miss chance to participate in most important competition because of Covid. It would be so pity.

And the administration must have some plan to continue the games even if there are some Covid-19 cases comes up, I am sure they have some plan for that. I have the feeling that with time the fear of this virus is getting down and in few years it will be like a normal virus. China can cope this virus better then anyother country.

[pinggoki]

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

Of course they can participate, kind of stupid to ask that. Asthma medications isn't a dope so I don't think that there's any problem with them participating. No, they don't need any shit like PED to push the limits, it's kind of insulting to athletes that you say that they're hitting a brick wall and that they need to dope up just to break that plateau.

[TopTort777]

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

Of course they can participate, kind of stupid to ask that. Asthma medications isn't a dope so I don't think that there's any problem with them participating.

I guess you are just not familiar with scandal with Norwegian biathlon athletes. In the last olympics they won a lot of medals in biathlon and cross country skiing. And what a coincidence, every Norwegian skiing athlete is sick with asthma. And what a coincidence, they all take SYMBICORT, which consist from a huge part of Salbutamol, that is counted as doping. Why others can use that, and others are not allowed to use special medicine? My position is - if you are sick, participate among other sick athletes.

[alegotardo]

Am I the only that after hearing "next Olympic games" think about which country has best pharmacology? Athletes set such records, that normal human is not able to beat them anymore. To be able to improve Olympic record for 0.001 sec, or 0.001 point or 100 gram, athletes are obliged to take special medicine. During my conscious period of life I cant remember any Olympic games without doping or other scandal. Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

Of course they can participate, kind of stupid to ask that. Asthma medications isn't a dope so I don't think that there's any problem with them participating.

I guess you are just not familiar with scandal with Norwegian biathlon athletes. In the last olympics they won a lot of medals in biathlon and cross country skiing. And what a coincidence, every Norwegian skiing athlete is sick with asthma. And what a coincidence, they all take SYMBICORT, which consist from a huge part of Salbutamol, that is counted as doping. Why others can use that, and others are not allowed to use special medicine? My position is - if you are sick, participate among other sick athletes.

I know you're being ironic, but in fact this is a controversial issue when we think that you can't deprive a player of taking a medication he depends on to be able to live, but it's a fact that such medications positively interfere with the athlete's performance and also very suspicious that some athletes are taking this medication without the real need, accusing they have asthma.
The problem is to find a "middle ground" between what is ethical and what is doping, this is a problem that isn't easily solved.

[joker_josue]

I know you're being ironic, but in fact this is a controversial issue when we think that you can't deprive a player of taking a medication he depends on to be able to live, but it's a fact that such medications positively interfere with the athlete's performance and also very suspicious that some athletes are taking this medication without the real need, accusing they have asthma.
The problem is to find a "middle ground" between what is ethical and what is doping, this is a problem that isn't easily solved.

That's true. But also, those who take them without needing these drugs, sooner or later will have consequences for their own health.
Are they worried about it? No! But also, they will not have the opportunity to enjoy their victories for a long time. And when they die, they will be known as the athletes who won prizes at the expense of a false illness.

It happens like cycling with Armstrong.

[dimonstration]

Do you happen to know, are Norwegian biathletes with asthma participating in Beijin?

The question will be rather: are there athletes participating who do not have asthma? 

Unfortunately, high competition sport begins to enter a level, where the demand to overcome records is so high and meaningless, that some kind of scheme is almost always accepted (as long as it is not too scandalous). It's sad and shameful.

Health should be the most priority in everything, there is a reason why they get stricter inisolation as well in implementation since the spread of covid is still present and possible. Setting records of winnings might be too impossible at this time of pandemic but still many players are trying to do what they can to prove themselves. We will see whether the olympic will be successful or whi will win.

[blatchcorn]

Health should be the most priority in everything, there is a reason why they get stricter inisolation as well in implementation since the spread of covid is still present and possible. Setting records of winnings might be too impossible at this time of pandemic but still many players are trying to do what they can to prove themselves. We will see whether the olympic will be successful or whi will win.

Just few weeks before the start of Olympics there are confirm cases of covid19 coming up in China. There are 73 confirmed cases by last Thursday source. Moreover there are some diplomatic issues also which China is facing. There are two challenges which China has to overcome in order to smoothly execute winter games.

[YOSHIE]

There are two challenges which China has to overcome in order to smoothly execute winter games.

No need to worry about the current 73 cases of the virus being reported Beijing introduces more COVID measures as cases mount before Olympics, and Winter Olympics: China's Covid policy and work?, I'm sure they'll be able to do it all before the 2022 Olympics take place.

Everything will be fine, all hope the 2022 Olympics in china this time can be a success.