The forum culture is to kill all newbies?

[_Miracle]

Newbies are always under scrutiny since in the history of the forum it was they who were scammers, cheaters, etc. The forum is familiar with deception, therefore, "once you get burned on milk you blow on water"


So stop building drama.

" I have now cancelled the bad words in this post.


Would you feel angry if you were in this position? Still, it doesn't matter, I can register another account."

Bitcoin is certainly worthy---so focus on bitcoin.

"peaceful coexistence" doesn't include calling other forum members "scumbags".

"is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies"

Most of us have been newbies and somehow made it through.

I'm a long time member of quite a few forums---I read more than I post on most of them.
I'm also a member of a couple scooter forums----I love motorcycles AND scooters. I grew up around bikers (the type that some may consider "hardcore") and let me tell you...
 those scooter forums can get friggen' ruthless.

_Miracle, hello, I have removed that word now. In the text above, I have described my mental state. I came to bitcointalk with a very sacred attitude. I hope to work with my friends here to promote the idea of Bitcoin and the spirit of Bitcoin. Therefore, I spent a lot of time and energy trying to write and reply to articles every day. To perfect my philosophical thinking about Bitcoin, I have slowly accumulated a certain reputation. However, I was slandered suddenly, saying that I was a big liar and abused the forum's merits. I am really very angry. I feel very disappointed here too. Maybe it was because I thought this place was too bright at the beginning, and I didn't expect the coldness and darkness here. After this incident, I will slowly adapt to the environment in the future. In any case, I am the most loyal fan of Bitcoin.

This is only a personal opinion and just as many people will disagree with me on this:
Erasing a bad thing you said (like it never happened) is not as good as leaving it up, apologizing for it, moving forward and never doing it again.

But the following advice is pretty standard and you are not so much of a "newbie" that you don't know better than not to do this...

You're going to register an ALT account?
That's not going to go well----and isn't it part of the thing you're being accused of doing?



Few people want to scroll through your threads of disputes.
If you have something to contribute then do it. If you are making claims to some accomplishment in TRW (the real world) then prepare to prove it or be called out on it.

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[nutildah]

OK let's address some of these misconceptions you seem to hold about the motivation behind our actions.

During this attack on me, @kxwhalexk was involved. He came to the forum in the past few months and achieved excellent results.

I would not consider his posts to be "excellent;" as a matter of fact I reported a few of them as spam and they were deleted. His posts looked forced, like they were translated from a foreign language article, and frequently parts of them made no sense in English.

As a result, he was regarded as my alt account because the account was blocked for the first post it posted.

No, he was regarded as your alt account because you have a similar posting style.

Why didn’t you close his account on the first day? But after he has worked so hard to create value for the forum for three months and then banned him because of his posts on the first day?

He didn't actually "create value" for the forum. That is just your opinion.

Isn't this banning potential newcomers because they are involved in the struggle?

No. You know full well kxwhalexk was banned for plagiarism. And it wasn't just a one-time thing -- he had done it multiple times.

Speaking of kxwhalexk, is this his Twitter handle?



Because that address has been used on the forum before:

Join&PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION## [/b][/color]
Bitcointalk Username: RainbowcityDAO
bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Twitter url:  https://twitter.com/kxWHALExk
Twitter audit : https://www.twitteraudit.com/kxwhalexk
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/eric.thek/
Telegram Username : @TheKXXkxx
BSC Wallet Address: 0x6E609a6E3a51437A91c9D551E292dB06a1FC5c28

In the next two to three months, I will officially launch a blockchain DAO project, which I call Rainbow City.

So, uh... I guess the only question I have left is:

Why aren't you and kxwhalexk the same person again?

[suchmoon]

Why aren't you and kxwhalexk the same person again?

I'm sure Jazmin and Ghoul will explain it to you shortly.

[YOSHIE]

I've been watching this topic on Reputation & Meta for 3 days, this is the first time I'm dizzy, my eyes are red when I read everything here.

@nutildah, I thumbs up, every day there is something that makes the suspect cornered.

@nutildah, this is his Twitter name: @RainbowcityKun, how come it's the same as the account name you posted, maybe, maybe, by chance.....!

Now, I continue to share, if you want to communicate more with me, you can follow me on twitter: https://twitter.com/RainbowcityKun
 I will also follow you, and I will post some more refined views on twitter in the future.

https://archive.vn/wip/as0XO

What can be said between @RainbowKun & @kxwhalexk, is it possible that they are the same person, in terms of Twitter names, 90% can be said so, Did i miss something.

Telegram is also the same, city

Name of campaign:Telegram
BTT username:RainbowcityDAO
Link to BTT profile:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Telegram username: @RainbowcityFinance

[kaggie]

Join&PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION## [/b][/color]
Bitcointalk Username: RainbowcityDAO
bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Twitter url:  https://twitter.com/kxWHALExk
Twitter audit : https://www.twitteraudit.com/kxwhalexk
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/eric.<INTENTIONALLY REMOVED>/
Telegram Username : @TheKXXkxx
BSC Wallet Address: 0x6E609a6E3a51437A91c9D551E292dB06a1FC5c28

In the next two to three months, I will officially launch a blockchain DAO project, which I call Rainbow City.

Name of campaign:Telegram
BTT username:RainbowcityDAO
Link to BTT profile:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Telegram username: @RainbowcityFinance

I can imagine a sophisticated account attack where someone were trying to discredit another user using impersonation and then bad practices, so do think that it's important to be cautious in more than one way. However, I owe @Ratimov an apology.

It should be noted that the profile of @kxwhalexk was created on 09 June 2021: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3339476
which was a month following the the post by RainbowCityDAO, who also used RainbowCityFinance and included the kxwhalexk twitter handle in their post on 01 May 2021 (linked to by @nutildah and @YOSHIE).

Those precede the use of RainbowCityKun's account -- created 10 Sep 2020, but first posted in July 2021:
Eric, aka @kxwhalexk aka @RainbowcityDAO as above, posted on his facebook profile which he linked the "Bitcoin is a new civilization" on 01 July 2021 by linking to a reddit post by reddit user 7RainbowCity: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbowcity/comments/obhs04/bitcoin_is_not_just_a_currency_but_represents_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
This topic was posted to reddit on the same day as the same topic on this forum by @RainbowKun, 01 July 2021 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346930.0
While RainbowKun was registered many months before DAO, Kun's first post on this forum was that post on 01 July 2021.

There is still a 0.1% chance of my initial sentence, but 0.1% is not much.

Damn it. =/

kxwhalexk, I advise you to stop creating multiple accounts. That you linked to your real name and facebook account (I assume) might mean that you have some degree of naivete and innocence, and perhaps actual belief in the ideology of bitcoin. Contrary to that, since it appears that you created multiple accounts to support a single one, you should know that is poor behavior and can only discredit you. You would get much further here with a solid, single account that contributes to the forum.

This post was particularly bad form:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5351702.msg57569855#msg57569855

[dkbit98]

This guy is such a lying scumbag and he is digging deeper hole for himself with every new post he makes from all of his puppet accounts.
The plot thickens and we missed some fun times in forum so I wonder when are we going to see new movie coming up called ''Banning of all Rainbow's alts''?

I don’t want to explain too much, I want to focus on my banned appeal.rainbowcitydao is my abandoned account. I haven't logged in for about two months.

Dude, give it up already, you are banned, in jail and there will be no mercy for you in mao zedong style, because people in bitcointalk forum are not stupid.
Try finding some other place for your fake promotion and stop wasting your time here.

[kaggie]

The motives are now clear. The purpose of pumping all these alts was preparation for the large-scale shilling of the RainbowcityDAO project.

RainbowCun would be promoting the project, and these alt accounts were bumping this theme with reviews about how wonderful this project is.

I suspect that a lot of us felt that way.

I also tend to view everything on this forum as mildly suspicious, so that colors my views...
Or is it someone who will one day pop out to turn around and sell something, because the topics are very regular with a lot of time put into them,
so it seems out of place to have a pure hobbyist write so frequently? Because I don't have a grasp of the person's motivation, I don't know how to respond and don't engage.

It's a money-based forum, so selling or promotion aren't in themselves bad, but that tie with money makes any manipulation all the worse.

Anyways, ratimov, I will have to relook at your analysis and see where I can learn.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Dude, give it up already, you are banned, in jail and there will be no mercy for you in mao zedong style, because people in bitcointalk forum are not stupid.

Seriously--and if I'm not mistaken, he's not allowed to post outside of his ban appeal thread and I've reported him for that. 

Kxwhalexk1, if you make a new account in violation of forum rules, you'll be sniffed out.  Guaranteed.  Other members have tried it (like mdayonliner if I'm not mistaken) and failed, and the community has seen enough of your posting habits to know who you are, and I doubt you'd be able to sufficiently change how you write that you'd be able to elude detection.  Just don't do it.  You're not welcome here.

[bakasabo]

I see three kind of newbies on the forum. First are the one who really are new to cryptocurrency and search for help or information. Second are the newbies who are here only to earn through bounties, giveaways and etc. Third - alts. They are here to cheat and to scam. They are mostly developed from “second” kind of newbies. And people are here to search for third kind of newbies to prevent bad things. Because of that, real newbies suffer. No one tries to kill newbies, but due to cheaters, newbies are under surveillance.

[noorman0]

By the way, will these accusations (account farming) prevent you from writing articles? And after all you write articles for everyone, right? I think this kind of accusation is only disturbing if the accused has a business.

-snip-
But no matter what, after this incident, I will continue to write and share my in-depth thinking about Bitcoin. I hope that more friends can share my articles and share the ideas of Bitcoin, because my articles are for everyone in the forum.

Sorry for this, but I will retract my previous remarks insofar as these accusations seem close to the truth (in my opinion) and knowing one of them has been banned. Due to forum rules, if your alt is banned, you are not personally allowed to contribute to this forum.
Honestly I appreciate the friendliness, but if the fact is that you have other intentions with "covert" tactics, it will disappoint anyone even you have never been involved with.

Last words, good luck elsewhere.

[nutildah]

I can imagine a sophisticated account attack where someone were trying to discredit another user using impersonation and then bad practices, so do think that it's important to be cautious in more than one way.

That doesn't make any sense as the RainbowcityDAO account was using that address before kxwhalexk posted it on Twitter for the first time.

Bitcointalk Username: RainbowcityDAO
BitcoinTalk Profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile
Telegram Username: @TheKXXkxx
Binance Smart Chain Wallet address: 0x6E609a6E3a51437A91c9D551E292dB06a1FC5c28

You should examine whether what you are saying is actually applicable to a situation before attempting to introduce it as a "what if...." You are just needlessly interjecting confusion.

And now we see what the motivation actually was: to join a bunch of bounties and sig campaigns. And you need at least 10 merits for a sig campaign, right?

[kaggie]

I can imagine a sophisticated account attack where someone were trying to discredit another user using impersonation and then bad practices, so do think that it's important to be cautious in more than one way.

That doesn't make any sense as the RainbowcityDAO account was using that address before kxwhalexk posted it on Twitter for the first time.
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You should examine whether what you are saying is actually applicable to a situation before attempting to introduce it as a "what if...." You are just needlessly interjecting confusion.

Fair enough, but you have to admit that this forum is complex.
[edit: I am as much amused as annoyed by this whole incident, nearly hanged for non-participation. I understand the need to watch for cheaters, but that results collateral damage. =/ ]

I didn't think my post was unclear, but I could have stated more clearly that:

1) RainbowcityDAO's linked facebook account had on the same day the exact post of the RainbowKun bitcointalk account (1 July 2021)
and 2) RainbowKun had not previously posted before that date, which means that he had no reason to have a fan base to be impersonated.

[DooMAD]

I would have thought that all the account farmers would have learned to avoid complaining in Meta by now.  Starting a topic in this subforum to whine about how vigilant some of the users are here is like putting up a request asking for those very people to shine the brightest possible spotlight on everything you've ever done.  The only thing they achieve is to draw more attention to the shady stuff they're doing.  

Do you also shoplift and then get into a debate about morality with the cashier regarding how strict they are about that, all while trying to hide the stuff you've not paid for?  It's that level of dumb.  

[KingsDen]

So, @kxwhalexk is banned for plagiarism?
It's a pity.
I remember sometimes in the forum I created about 3 to 4 topics in the B/H bordering on plagiarism. I also noted that a plagiarism committed as a newbie can be used against you even when you get to senior member and above. Why peopleplagiarise in the forum and how to avoid plagiarism
I emphasised on plagiarism to the extent that some users began to question if it's only plagiarism I could bring to the table.
@kxwhalexk admitted to committing plagiarism as I read in a thread. He apologised and I thought he was forgiven.
Surprisingly his crime(plagiarism) was resurrected and used against him.
This should be a big lesson to the newbies.

[suchmoon]

This should be a big lesson to the newbies.

What's your angle here? Thinking that if you suck up to sockpuppet hunters then you might avoid kxwkwkxkwkk's fate?

[tranthidung]

Surprisingly his crime(plagiarism) was resurrected and used against him.

Plagiarism ends as permanent ban when it is reported and handled by global moderators or admins. I think permanent ban hammers are only used by them, not moderators.

Saying apology does not make sense, if your plagiarism report is handled as approval by admins/ moderators. If they don't see any value and reasons why second chance should be given, that user will be permanent banned.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I emphasised on plagiarism to the extent that some users began to question if it's only plagiarism I could bring to the table.

Show me at least one of your plagiarism, which was found by you. I have not even read that post of yours, and it amazes me how selfish people can be, promoting their topics everywhere.
You act as if you are an expert and so experienced that you teach everyone with your insignificant posts.

[KingsDen]

This should be a big lesson to the newbies.

What's your angle here? Thinking that if you suck up to sockpuppet hunters then you might avoid kxwkwkxkwkk's fate?

My angle is that newbies should learn that a newbie mistake can lead to permanent ban afterwards. I also opened a thread telling newbies that "posting in the forum without reading(learning) is suicidal. @kxwkwxxkw admitted he committed plagiarism, but it was just his first post as a newbie when he was not aware of any rule. Though I am unaware if he committed further plagiarism save his first post.
It's a lesson because what everyone is expected to do in any forum or group he joins is to ask for the rules guiding the forum even before posting.

Surprisingly his crime(plagiarism) was resurrected and used against him.

Plagiarism ends as permanent ban when it is reported and handled by global moderators or admins. I think permanent ban hammers are only used by them, not moderators.

Saying apology does not make sense, if your plagiarism report is handled as approval by admins/ moderators. If they don't see any value and reasons why second chance should be given, that user will be permanent banned.

Obviously, it does not make sense because, the admins or moderators might not be aware of your apology. It just pains me to see that someone is banned for an avoided case.

I emphasised on plagiarism to the extent that some users began to question if it's only plagiarism I could bring to the table.

You act as if you are an expert and so experienced that you teach everyone with your insignificant posts.

I do not act, I am not acting sir. I do not teach everyone what you called insignificant. I always mention that they are directed to newbies.
You are pretty old in this forum and such topics seems to piss you because you have seen them severally or you wish you can hide all the rules about plagiarism to the newbies so that you can fetch fresh victims daily.

[lovesmayfamilis]

You are pretty old in this forum and such topics seems to piss you because you have seen them severally or you wish you can hide all the rules about plagiarism to the newbies so that you can fetch fresh victims daily.

Let's welcome the mission, which saves newcomers with its teachings from all malicious members of the forum who dream of hiding all the rules and destroying as many newcomers as possible.
You made my day.
Can I create an icon for you?

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Aside from some bad apples who get their jollies by hunting down rule breakers, the Forum culture is NOT to kill all newbies - it is to educate them.

Unfortunately far too often the 1st thing that has to be taught is how to use this forum - or for that matter any forum.

To me it seems that far too many folks think this place is like Facebook, Quora, redit, etc where people post their random thoughts anyplace and anyway they like. I put that to a generational thing where today's generations are so used to having smartphones and texting about everything under the sun that it simply never occurs to them that this place is a TECHNICAL message board and that means there are guidelines on using it. As such they never bother to even look at what the rules are much less take a little time to scan through the forum to see if their question(s) have already been answered.

As my forum name implies I will be among the 1st to point out mistakes they make but follow that with the reason they are a mistake and, what to do about it. I am also very quick to notify mods if a post is in the wrong area (or is utter trash) so it can be moved to where it belongs. For those who refuse to learn and continually violate the Forum Rules then yes, I say ban them.

The other side of the coin applies: I have given many newbies their 1st merit. All it takes is that it be a valid question that has not been asked before and seems to come from an educated individual vs someone who is oblivious to properly learning on their own. My main goal here is to provide useful information where I can. Having been an EE since the mid-1970's I have gained a vast pool of knowledge that ranges from circuit design, power systems design and construction including building infra, computers and at least basic programming, etc. which I share whenever possible.

New here? Well then spend a few days browsing the various sections before posting. Ya just *might* find answers to the initial question(s) you have and even more importantly, along with starting the process of learning and gaining insights into what mining as all about you will probably develop more questions that can be properly targeted..