Beginner's interpretation

[_BlackStar]

Many things are difficult for beginners to explain even though they are still quite new to the information and knowledge in the forum. Google becomes a fair library for them apart from being able to discuss with other users in the forums. This is very likely to explain why beginners are too often involved as plagiarists when they fail to understand the applicable rules.

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

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[Oshosondy]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

Some plagiarisists are lucky, another person can be send the plagiarist a personal message for him to include a link, but not all cases because we people think differently, if some have good work already, some members will just feel pity to correct. If a newbie is spamming and plagiarizing, the newbie will be reported for ban.

This is the most important
But many/most plagiarists will not be lucky, they will not be corrected, no correction made for days, weeks or months and the plagiarized post will be reported. Just do not expect anyone to correct you, you know the rules already, you know what plagiarism can result to, it is better to just avoid it, make sure you included the link, check your post over and over to be certain that you include the link.

[lovesmayfamilis]

A few years ago, it was banned many users who intentionally or not plagiarized. They were simply banned and that's it. The mistake they made could not be corrected. Some users had achieved great ranks by then, and you can imagine them upset when they were banned.
The rules remain the same today. But I will say more, moderators can be lenient towards those people in whom they see the zeal and desire to participate in the forum.
Do you agree that the forum is intended for an adult audience? Wouldn't a person who visits a place for the first time look around? There is a time to read the laws by which society lives. This also applies to offline life. But if we see a newbie who from the first days churns out a bunch of new topics, including topics with plagiarism, what can you think about him? He knows what he wants! And he wants to raise the rank as soon as possible. Why? They told him about the earnings, but forgot to tell about the rules? This is his problem.
If I see such actions, why would I run after him like a child? He must be responsible for his actions. You need to respect the place and rules of the community, where you are still considered a guest.

[BITCOIN4X]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

For the case of plagiarism, I think the rules are still the same as before and I agree with the opinion of lovesmayfamilis.

For beginners who read the forum rules, I don't think they will plagiarize because they have seen the consequences and their account will be banned after being reported. Some of the cases I found usually you will be warned by other posters that you should add some references if the content you create is not your own, but don't expect everyone to be doing so as some other people will report their findings soon for various reasons.

Beginners should get used to knowing the rules and they should understand that in this forum community not everyone agrees to remind you when you make a mistake whether intentional or not. You have your own responsibility to do well without breaking the rules.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

It’s really no one’s responsibility but that of the poster to comply with whatever restrictions may apply. Some people may point out some wrongdoing, whilst others simply report it, and that’s that.

As @Oshosondy pointed out, some cases may not see the light (be reported) until weeks, months or even years have gone by, especially cases where plagiarism is involved. I’d still vouch for clearer visible warnings when posting (i.e. below the emoji row), which would be self-explanatory on its own.

[TinaK]

I understand your sentiment about plagiarists here that should be punished and newbies must be aware from the start. Once you have seen cases like this just simply report to the moderator and let them handle the case.

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

Unintentional mistake?
You copy-pasted the content from the article or even you are an article twister content and posted it here without crediting the author, that is definitely a plagiarist and once you are a plagiarist you will never learn until you did not be corrected.
In my own, rules are rules. It is unfair to the users that have been banned last few years and as I remember, that was a massive banned account that was detected as a plagiarist.

[Jawhead999]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

For Newbie and Jr. Member rank I think they deserved to get temporary ban if they really doesn't know this forum rules, if they repeat it in the future they deserved to get permanent or signature ban.

Some plagiarisists are lucky, another person can be send the plagiarist a personal message for him to include a link, but not all cases because we people think differently, if some have good work already, some members will just feel pity to correct. If a newbie is spamming and plagiarizing, the newbie will be reported for ban.

That's quite interesting to discuss about your point.

Can it be said as abuse? I mean other users got banned due to plagiarism, but you don't get banned like what other users got since you corrected your post from someone send a PM. It's different with those users who correcting the plagiarist by post on that thread which anyone can read and know he's plagiarizing, so moderator can decide to ban or not.

Sorry @OP for open a new discussion, I just don't want to create new thread because there're many plagiarism discussion thread right now.

[tranthidung]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

The forum rule says no warning is necessary and it is because there are alternatives to permanbans: Second chance and Discussion

• Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

Warning: Anyone caught copying other users' posts or plagiarising content from elsewhere on the web will be immediately permabanned. You shouldn't need a warning to know that this isn't acceptable under any circumstances.

A few years ago, it was banned many users who intentionally or not plagiarized. They were simply banned and that's it. The mistake they made could not be corrected

In May 2019. An anonymous bot was used to detect and report many plagiarism cases. This leads to a second chance implementation for good net-effect users. They will receive second chances with temporary ban on their account and signature ban (6 months to 2 years).

• A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed?

[aysg76]

Many things are difficult for beginners to explain even though they are still quite new to the information and knowledge in the forum. Google becomes a fair library for them apart from being able to discuss with other users in the forums. This is very likely to explain why beginners are too often involved as plagiarists when they fail to understand the applicable rules.

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

Unintentional or intentional mistake it will be treated as same because ignorance is not plea and you can't say you were not aware of the rules if found guilty.You might get warning through pm from senior members or might not for plagiarism for your post so it's better to be aware of the rules first of all rather than indulging in any problems later on.The first thing you should do when you register the account is to read all the rules and regulations of the forum and try to implement them in your post.Some might have got chance in past but we might not be lucky all the time so its better to be on safe side.Whenever you play on any casino the first rule is to read FAQ and T&C to avoid any issue and whenever you buy products the manual is provided for your help which you read.Same is the case with forum rules as they have been made for all the members and we must comply with them.

[GeorgeJohn]

The challenges we are having here is that plagiarism cases has not been taking seriously or effectively any more, if really look at the level of copy and paste works people commit here it will discouraged you, let us ask ourselves while and reason some keep on involving into plagiarism, because they want to grow fast.

I noticed that someone will be caught via plagiarised work and nothing will happen to the user while it's stipulated in the rules and regulations of the forums that the community forbid plagiarism, at least anyone involve should face the penalty, we are meant to bring solution to problems by using our initiatives not by pasting already made articles without indicating that is already made work.

[qwertyup23]

Many things are difficult for beginners to explain even though they are still quite new to the information and knowledge in the forum. Google becomes a fair library for them apart from being able to discuss with other users in the forums. This is very likely to explain why beginners are too often involved as plagiarists when they fail to understand the applicable rules.

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

I think plagiarism is tackled the same way despite being an honest or an intentional mistake on the part of the user.

Normally, most newbies plagiarized content due to the fact that they are lazy to create quality content or because they aim on getting merits in order to rank up. I think it is the responsible of the user creating the post that what they are sharing/contributing is not plagiarized content from the very beginning. From that perspective alone, they should be aware enough of the risk/consequences of their action before they share something.

Failure to observe such standard is like inviting yourself to be reported by the forum moderators or users.

[sheenshane]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

IMO, it's hard to say that newbies had made an unintentional mistake as we all know that plagiarism is extremely prohibited here and could be a permanent bannable offense, and as newbies, their responsibility to read the rules in the forum and it must include the forum rules as well.  The same as well to the higher ranks, they know much better the golden rules of forum and plagiarism is one of the most have the worst violation if you're detected.  We've already discussed it here so many times and as said above, there was a wave of ban before that banned almost AFAIK, 2K plus users.

Regarding the line that I highlighted above, you can report a bunch of posts as you wanted to report, they didn't know who reported them and they didn't know too that their post had already been reported, only MODs will know and review the reports, the hammer for a ban is on their hand.

[Eureka_07]

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Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

We are all contributors here as we post in this forum. There could be some users that will notify you telling that your post might be plagiarized so you could quickly delete if you can before it's been to long. As far as I know, those plagiarized posts are deleted. If you have deleted post, the system will send you a through your btt inbox and email connected to your account. To avoid having so, do not break the rules. Use proper citations if you will borrow intelectual properties.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

The rules of the forum are quite easy to understand, they aren't official because it can be interpreted in different context but that doesn't mean the moderators are mandated to explaining them to you. We shouldn't be explaining plagiarism to newbie in the first place, they should know that doing such act if coping someone else works and presenting them as theirs is wrong. That's stealing and there's no way you can sugarcoat it.

Nobody should be notifying you when you steal plagiarized, that's something you have to consciously develop as a human because it'll not only help you on the forum to avoid the ban punishment but it'll also help you in real life. Learn to give credit when you make use of someone else works.

The real problem here is everyone wants to look smart because they assume that's the only way they can get merits and increase in rank, letting go of such mentality is the only way to eradicate plagiarism on the forum, learn to be yourself and contribute based on your own understanding and if you were to take some points from others, give reference.

[Rengga Jati]

Many things are difficult for beginners to explain even though they are still quite new to the information and knowledge in the forum. Google becomes a fair library for them apart from being able to discuss with other users in the forums.

Many beginners experience this, but there are some differences among the beginners themselves.
If they are aware and meant to join this forum more seriously, they will at first learn many things about this forum. One to remember, if you are going to join a forum, just seek any further information in the forum itself, use the search bottom.
Alternatively, you can try opening any related boards in order to know what this forum is. And if you know this forum from someone, ask him about what to do at first and where to get more completed information about this forum.
And about the forum rules including plagiarism and beginners help, you can check the information here:
Newbies - Read before posting
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
These information threads above are very helpful to first know about this forum and what to do.

Btw about plagiarism, don't we all know, anywhere, Plagiarism is still banned?
Not only in this forum, but anywhere, plagiarism is certainly not allowed because this violates the rules and also violates the copyright.
And of course, based on basic like this, we should understand that we should not do plagiarism anywhere, both plagiarism in writing or anything.

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

If other members know about plagiarism and also the mistakes, commonly will let you know.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

Not really but members of the forum can help you fixed that mistake by informing you of the wrong doings you done. Sometime other members are just reporting directly so that mods can take action of the mistake or unintentional post. Usually newbies are the one prone to this, but there are good samaritan users whom correct them and not directly reporting their post.

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

Not really but members of the forum can help you fixed that mistake by informing you of the wrong doings you done. Sometime other members are just reporting directly so that mods can take action of the mistake or unintentional post. Usually newbies are the one prone to this, but there are good samaritan users whom correct them and not directly reporting their post.


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[hatshepsut93]

Are forum contributors responsible for alerting us if we make an unintentional mistake by failing to understand the rules, or will contributors ignore us immediately after reporting a post?

Not knowing the rules is never an excuse for breaking them.

Pretty much all rules on this forum are a common sense, if you're breaking them, you're not a harmless newbie but a malicious actor. Plagiarism is wrong, you can't just copy someone's text and present it as your own to earn merits and activity. Spamming and shitposting is bad, it just creates noise that distracts everyone from decent topics. Scamming is always morally wrong.

[Alisha-k]

It's very natural for a newbie to desire growth but it shouldn't be at all cost and plagiarism shouldn't even be an option. As a newbie you are not under any form of compulsion to impress anyone do your research, analyze your findings grow along with the time u av spent on the forum dedicate time for research and ask relevant questions there is really no magic just your relevance to the forum alone can earn you enormous growth what should be considered most is how passionate are you about crypto currency

[Munir575]

Rules are rules and you shouldn't do anything that will result you to breaking them. Create your contents yourself take your time and research and am sure anywhere you're wrong members of the forum will correct you.

[_BlackStar]

Some plagiarisists are lucky, another person can be send the plagiarist a personal message for him to include a link, but not all cases because we people think differently, if some have good work already, some members will just feel pity to correct. If a newbie is spamming and plagiarizing, the newbie will be reported for ban.

I don't know what the reason for the exception is, but it's probably true that they'll be very lucky when someone is willing to warn them via PM. That would never happen to a beginner.

Sorry I can't answer you one by one, but I have read all the answers you gave to my question. I get the gist of the answer from my question above that no one will be held responsible for the mistakes made by the user except the user himself. There are people who are lucky and many are not because of plagiarism mistakes, this really depends on who is the culprit and also who tells it.

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You posted the same answer in one line, even though the moderators have merged your posts but you still need to delete one of them.


Thanks for all your answers and input, I understand that it won't be easy for beginners to escape mistakes if we don't get directions and warnings from contributors before we actually do.