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September 24, 2021, 10:48:41 AM
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Let these fighters fight at their own will, it seems that they're not having their own willingness to do so. If they're confident to take the match then so be it, no aggressive offer should be given to any one of them. Once a boxer find a good mood and his capacity for fighting his potential opponent would technically be drawn over by his power, I guess with no hesitation their fight would commence successfully.
it's a mandatory fight. these boxers know that when they became a title belt holder they will be obligated to have a mandatory fight to defend their belt.
besides, this is not the first time that this has happened. also, WBC, IBF, WBA, and WBO have their respective rules when it come to their mandatory fights.
Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

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September 24, 2021, 11:01:42 AM
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does this mean Inoue match will never take place in this point? damn i have been seeking for this as i hate Casimero's big mouth and i want him to face his nightmare against this Japan boxer, but now it is Butler, i think he has a opportunity to win against Butler.
I guess they are trying to force again for another match well due to having pandemic its too hard if the organization of the boxing world may stop but still they make it more limited to their players and management to prevent getting any kind of health issues related. Once the WBO already listed the match i guess the players need to comply because they allowed the game. Is there any chance they could stop the match for some reason?. Well, its the belt title i guess they still want to fight.
and maybe they did not see Inoue as best option for Casimero so they forced this boxer to face other fighter in preparation for other opponent .

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September 24, 2021, 11:05:45 AM
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Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

I agree with you mate that this is not a big test for Casimero as Butler is not that good and if we recall his previous challenge for the IBF belt, he did not make the weight on the weigh-in thus they are given an hour to shed that extra weight but to the disappointment of everybody, he did not come back for the re-weighing  Smiley. This guy has no discipline and I think this would be easy work for Quadro Alas.

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September 24, 2021, 11:28:20 AM
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Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

I agree with you mate that this is not a big test for Casimero as Butler is not that good and if we recall his previous challenge for the IBF belt, he did not make the weight on the weigh-in thus they are given an hour to shed that extra weight but to the disappointment of everybody, he did not come back for the re-weighing  Smiley. This guy has no discipline and I think this would be easy work for Quadro Alas.

If Casimero will have a good win in this fight, people will forget that he did not KO Rigo based on what he predicted. It's his time to rise again, a good win (KO) will make him more popular, and the more the fans will long to see an Inoue vs Casimero fight.

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September 24, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
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Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

I agree with you mate that this is not a big test for Casimero as Butler is not that good and if we recall his previous challenge for the IBF belt, he did not make the weight on the weigh-in thus they are given an hour to shed that extra weight but to the disappointment of everybody, he did not come back for the re-weighing  Smiley. This guy has no discipline and I think this would be easy work for Quadro Alas.

If Casimero will have a good win in this fight, people will forget that he did not KO Rigo based on what he predicted. It's his time to rise again, a good win (KO) will make him more popular, and the more the fans will long to see an Inoue vs Casimero fight.

Definitely another KO because as we can see, if Casimero's opponent will fight him like they think they can beat him, it always ends up in a KO. Even Zolane Tete which obviously has all the advantages over Casimero, but made one mistake, and that resulted in a KO win by Casimero.

This fight will not last long, a careless Butler and wants to be the aggressor will pay the price early.

Betting odds should be x5 for Butler and 1.10 for Casimero.
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September 24, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
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If Casimero will have a good win in this fight, people will forget that he did not KO Rigo based on what he predicted. It's his time to rise again, a good win (KO) will make him more popular, and the more the fans will long to see an Inoue vs Casimero fight.

I think that would be a good thing if he does that because he was so frustrated with Rigo last time. They wanted some opponent who wanted to clash with him in the middle of the ring, not just some old boxer who has some boring strategy to win the fight. Casimero was so lucky that he didn't lose that one since the other officials give the win to Rigo. I hope it will not be the case this time if he ever fights Butler and he will gonna win it sweeply.
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September 24, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
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If Casimero will have a good win in this fight, people will forget that he did not KO Rigo based on what he predicted. It's his time to rise again, a good win (KO) will make him more popular, and the more the fans will long to see an Inoue vs Casimero fight.

I think that would be a good thing if he does that because he was so frustrated with Rigo last time. They wanted some opponent who wanted to clash with him in the middle of the ring, not just some old boxer who has some boring strategy to win the fight. Casimero was so lucky that he didn't lose that one since the other officials give the win to Rigo. I hope it will not be the case this time if he ever fights Butler and he will gonna win it sweeply.

It was a controversial fight because Casimero was not impressive in his win, when there's a Split Decision by the judges, people always have their own opinion and though it was controversial, no way they will fight again, so it's still good that Casimero won that fight, he should not fight a boring fighter as it will only affect his name and his future.

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September 24, 2021, 02:46:45 PM
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If you have a weak chin and you are too aggressive, Casimero can knock you out just like he did with Tete and Duke Mikah, Butler although a former champion, I don't think he'll have a chance against Casimero.
Casimero wants to have a fight with Inoue or Donaire and he'll stop a guy who will cross his path leading to those encounters, Butler will just become a tune fight and preparation against Inoue or Donaire.
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September 24, 2021, 03:26:46 PM
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Casimero wants to have a fight with Inoue or Donaire and he'll stop a guy who will cross his path leading to those encounters, Butler will just become a tune fight and preparation against Inoue or Donaire.
And he better chill down with all those punk statements that he's saying because those two that he wants to fight don't appreciate those words, I mean they both have a say in Casimero's attitude, didn't Inoue had that as a reason why he wants to fight Casimero?

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September 24, 2021, 03:46:31 PM
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If that's an order so the Inoue and Casimero match might be delayed and this match will be the first to happen. I get it, maybe this is the reason why Casimero has stayed there because there's something like this that has been cooking.

And if there's money involve and one or two of them will pay the penalties then Inoue and Casimero will happen. But I don't think that any of them would be willing to pay for penalties just to pursue their match. Boxing is still a business.

Well, I think Casimero has to stick to what the WBO says, however, I think like you, here there is a business model behind that does not allow the sport to have a total emergence, things have been here for a long time. In boxing as in any sport, what is intervening the most is money and even politics, because that is also the case in football even in the World Cup qualifying rounds. And if things are like this, I think that Casimero has very good preparation, something similar to what we saw with Silva and Ortiz's fight could happen when Silva knocked out Ortiz, Casimero has more preparation, of course this in my view , I would go right now for Casimero.
I guess that we have to conclude that Casimero has no choice but to defend his title and with his match against Inoue, it will be settled next so it will be extended and has to be rescheduled after he has said that their fight might happen by December this year with an actual date.

Good for Casimero that he has never stopped training while staying in the US after his match against Rigondeaux. Needless to say, to all the fans and speculators that have waited for the Casimero-Inoue match. There might be a little delay for it and he has to go against Butler first but let's still wait for his official statement.

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September 24, 2021, 04:53:28 PM
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Anyway, Casimero will be the obvious favourite here. The Tete fight will be the primary basis for the odds as they both fought Tete once in their career.

I'll take the TeTe fight also as a determining factor why I will be choosing Casimero but again upsets still happen, Casimero upset Tete a favorite when they fought, Butler has a good knock-out percentage if he can find a good opening and connect he can upset Casimero.
Kinda disappointing that again for the nth time he will not fight Inoue big money and prestige awaits whoever wins the fight on the Casimero - Inoue fight it will be delay again next year.


Yeah, Casimero just blew Tete in their fight and you will see that even after the fight has ended, Tete didn't know what had happened, that shot to the side made Tete lose his balance and his feet are not there. So imagine a chin that has been broken already, Butler will have a hard time against a power puncher like Casimero. So obviously, the Casimero-Inoue fight will be delayed because of the mandatory defense. Perhaps the WBO ordered this to squash a fight with Inoue. Casimero just had his last fight last month, and now they are ordering him to fight against the organizations mandatory. Something is fishy, but we can't do anything.

Butler has a very good chance of winning the fight against Casimero.  Paul Butler is one of my favorite boxers.  No wonder he received the nickname "Baby Fased Assasin".

He's incredibly cold-blooded.  He fights very prudently.  He is a very fast and technical boxer.  Moves faster than Casimero.  I think that the bet on Paul Butler is fully justified.  I must admit that Casimero is also a great boxer.  The fight will probably be very interesting.  Various surprises are possible ...

But my favorite is Paul Butler.  I believe in his victory.

Good luck. Yes, I could be biased on Casimero, but basing on the last 3-4 fights, I believed that Casimero has all the tools to retain his belt against Butler. He hasn't face a fighter the caliber of Casimero, and when Butler steps up the plate, facing great boxers, he usually lost.

He might be cold blooded, but Casimero hits like a rock in this weight class. We will see how Butler will react if Casimero dash him with a solid punch in the face, as he might not survived the whole 12 rounds with the Filipino.
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September 24, 2021, 06:00:13 PM
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Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

I agree with you mate that this is not a big test for Casimero as Butler is not that good and if we recall his previous challenge for the IBF belt, he did not make the weight on the weigh-in thus they are given an hour to shed that extra weight but to the disappointment of everybody, he did not come back for the re-weighing  Smiley. This guy has no discipline and I think this would be easy work for Quadro Alas.

Thanks for that info, so it seems that Butler will have a difficult time making the weight here. And if  that is the case, then Casimero has all the advantage. I want to see Casimero go back and win by a big knock out to send another message in this division. For sure he is going to call Inoue again and that will create a bigger hype next year if the contract are going to be sign between the two fighters for unification fight.

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September 24, 2021, 07:11:01 PM
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If you have a weak chin and you are too aggressive, Casimero can knock you out just like he did with Tete and Duke Mikah, Butler although a former champion, I don't think he'll have a chance against Casimero.
Casimero wants to have a fight with Inoue or Donaire and he'll stop a guy who will cross his path leading to those encounters, Butler will just become a tune fight and preparation against Inoue or Donaire.

Tete though was very cautious, he was a technical fighter, but once Casimero landed that big right now, it was over for him. And with the Duke Mikah fight, it was a banger, love that fight, Mikah was not afraid to go toe to toe, but then again Casimero is really one of the biggest puncher in this division. Obviously, the Rigo fight was a disappointment because of the clash of style. But with Butler who seems not afraid of Casimero's power, I'm seeing as well a good fight and a most probably we will see Casimero with a knock out win.

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September 24, 2021, 07:12:24 PM
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Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

I agree with you mate that this is not a big test for Casimero as Butler is not that good and if we recall his previous challenge for the IBF belt, he did not make the weight on the weigh-in thus they are given an hour to shed that extra weight but to the disappointment of everybody, he did not come back for the re-weighing  Smiley. This guy has no discipline and I think this would be easy work for Quadro Alas.

Thanks for that info, so it seems that Butler will have a difficult time making the weight here. And if  that is the case, then Casimero has all the advantage. I want to see Casimero go back and win by a big knock out to send another message in this division. For sure he is going to call Inoue again and that will create a bigger hype next year if the contract are going to be sign between the two fighters for unification fight.
He would really create even more hype if he would really able to end up this upcoming fight via knockout which he could really call out Inoue for how many times until this fight could really happen.
I dont know on how Butler fights but basing off with stats then this would be might a simple fight for Casimero but well anything could happen and he shouldnt really be that
confident because there would be always the possibility of turning of events.

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September 24, 2021, 08:12:02 PM
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Exactly, it's already part of the rules and boxers know this for sure, they know who they would like to fight and whose boxers that would be their mandatory challenger. This isn't a big test for Casimero, he won against Zolane Tete who is a clear favorite in the fight and he strip the belt, Butler is not that good based on his previous fights.

I agree with you mate that this is not a big test for Casimero as Butler is not that good and if we recall his previous challenge for the IBF belt, he did not make the weight on the weigh-in thus they are given an hour to shed that extra weight but to the disappointment of everybody, he did not come back for the re-weighing  Smiley. This guy has no discipline and I think this would be easy work for Quadro Alas.

Thanks for that info, so it seems that Butler will have a difficult time making the weight here. And if  that is the case, then Casimero has all the advantage. I want to see Casimero go back and win by a big knock out to send another message in this division. For sure he is going to call Inoue again and that will create a bigger hype next year if the contract are going to be sign between the two fighters for unification fight.
He would really create even more hype if he would really able to end up this upcoming fight via knockout which he could really call out Inoue for how many times until this fight could really happen.
I dont know on how Butler fights but basing off with stats then this would be might a simple fight for Casimero but well anything could happen and he shouldnt really be that
confident because there would be always the possibility of turning of events.


Yes, Casimero should not underestimate Butler here. We don't know what kind of preparation he has. But I think  on this match, sportsbooks will favor on Casimero. The gap may not be that wide. Should he win on this fight, maybe Casimero's camp will get a deal from Inoue's camp easy. This is really interesting to watch out for.
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September 24, 2021, 08:34:40 PM
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If Casimero will have a good win in this fight, people will forget that he did not KO Rigo based on what he predicted. It's his time to rise again, a good win (KO) will make him more popular, and the more the fans will long to see an Inoue vs Casimero fight.

I think that would be a good thing if he does that because he was so frustrated with Rigo last time. They wanted some opponent who wanted to clash with him in the middle of the ring, not just some old boxer who has some boring strategy to win the fight. Casimero was so lucky that he didn't lose that one since the other officials give the win to Rigo. I hope it will not be the case this time if he ever fights Butler and he will gonna win it sweeply.

I'm confident it will not be the case, Butler is an aggressive fighter and he doesn't run so much like Rigo did. I know the style of Rigo, he runs and hit just like Mayweather, but I was expecting him to fight like how he fights when he defeated Donaire, but in that fight, it was a total running show and it was boring because  Casimero can't hit him and he wasn't engaging as expected. I don't know if Rigo could still find a fight after what happen, his trainer might be upset.



Yes, Casimero should not underestimate Butler here. We don't know what kind of preparation he has. But I think  on this match, sportsbooks will favor on Casimero. The gap may not be that wide. Should he win on this fight, maybe Casimero's camp will get a deal from Inoue's camp easy. This is really interesting to watch out for.

Casimero always work to finish his opponent early, with the right timing, I'm sure he will get another KO win from this boxer.


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September 24, 2021, 09:21:29 PM
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Casimero is always confident, which sometimes seems to be a disadvantage to him. Though casimero will always go for the KO, and always will aim for an early-round knockout. Though, Butler, on the other hand, is a great fighter a well-rounded one as well. Both have the same dynamics, which is to be aggressive but as I see it Casimero has an edge in this one 'coz of his power punches and those sneaky uppercuts.

Hopefully, he could finish the fight early and via TKO/KO just to make another statement and aim for Inoue. Casimero vs Donaire is definitely out of the picture, it seems that they an irreconcilable issues during the last talk. If Casimero vs Inoue is booked, I'll be damn.
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Casimero is always confident, which sometimes seems to be a disadvantage to him. Though casimero will always go for the KO, and always will aim for an early-round knockout. Though, Butler, on the other hand, is a great fighter a well-rounded one as well. Both have the same dynamics, which is to be aggressive but as I see it Casimero has an edge in this one 'coz of his power punches and those sneaky uppercuts.

Hopefully, he could finish the fight early and via TKO/KO just to make another statement and aim for Inoue. Casimero vs Donaire is definitely out of the picture, it seems that they an irreconcilable issues during the last talk. If Casimero vs Inoue is booked, I'll be damn.
If Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, this could be his chance and he must win on this or else many will trash talk him as well, the attitude that he have should be more positive every time on the ring to avoid any mistakes and aim for another KO. Butler also have a good record under his name, he’s not an easy one but hopefully Casimero will finish this fight early.

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September 24, 2021, 09:29:14 PM
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Casimero is always confident, which sometimes seems to be a disadvantage to him. Though casimero will always go for the KO, and always will aim for an early-round knockout. Though, Butler, on the other hand, is a great fighter a well-rounded one as well. Both have the same dynamics, which is to be aggressive but as I see it Casimero has an edge in this one 'coz of his power punches and those sneaky uppercuts.

Hopefully, he could finish the fight early and via TKO/KO just to make another statement and aim for Inoue. Casimero vs Donaire is definitely out of the picture, it seems that they an irreconcilable issues during the last talk. If Casimero vs Inoue is booked, I'll be damn.
If Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, this could be his chance and he must win on this or else many will trash talk him as well, the attitude that he have should be more positive every time on the ring to avoid any mistakes and aim for another KO. Butler also have a good record under his name, he’s not an easy one but hopefully Casimero will finish this fight early.
Casimero would always want to fight Inoue, we thought that the fight will happen this December but suddenly this news came out and that will not happen anymore as it's a mandatory fight for him. Casimero and Inoue had already agreed that they will fight, but Casimero has to take care of this first and we might see them next year having a big fight.
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September 24, 2021, 09:38:40 PM
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Casimero is always confident, which sometimes seems to be a disadvantage to him. Though casimero will always go for the KO, and always will aim for an early-round knockout. Though, Butler, on the other hand, is a great fighter a well-rounded one as well. Both have the same dynamics, which is to be aggressive but as I see it Casimero has an edge in this one 'coz of his power punches and those sneaky uppercuts.

Hopefully, he could finish the fight early and via TKO/KO just to make another statement and aim for Inoue. Casimero vs Donaire is definitely out of the picture, it seems that they an irreconcilable issues during the last talk. If Casimero vs Inoue is booked, I'll be damn.
If Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, this could be his chance and he must win on this or else many will trash talk him as well, the attitude that he have should be more positive every time on the ring to avoid any mistakes and aim for another KO. Butler also have a good record under his name, he’s not an easy one but hopefully Casimero will finish this fight early.
Casimero would always want to fight Inoue, we thought that the fight will happen this December but suddenly this news came out and that will not happen anymore as it's a mandatory fight for him. Casimero and Inoue had already agreed that they will fight, but Casimero has to take care of this first and we might see them next year having a big fight.
Always have the probabilities of such movement of schedule but since it wasnt finalized in the first place then we shouldnt really that expect much that it would happen in next year too but depending on the hype and interest on where the community been showing off.

Schedules would really be moved out because boxers arent the ones who would really make out decisions in regards to their upcoming fights.It would be always on the organization
which they wont really be having any choice but to deal with it first before reaching or making other fights do happen.

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