[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[Dave1]

I am also Aiming for Casimero to Win but not because I want him to Win instead I want him to be defeated by Inoue or Donaire soon 

So if Casimero vs Butler is done and whether Casimero loses or wins on this match, he's still going for Inoue.

I think if we want to see the match of him against Donaire, it will take a year before we see that happen if he has to fight next Inoue.

Probably a higher chance to fight Inoue if Casimero wins but if he loses on this match, they can still fix it as long as the contract is in favor to Inoue and that is for sure. Inoue is their main goal to be the first boxer to landed a lost to Inoue, either Donaire or Casimero they really want this so bad. Well, if the trash talking continues with Casimero and Donaire, I don't think their fight will push through, Donaire don't want that kind of game though.

Trashtalks is something not a valid reason for a certain boxer to back out if there would be some potential match ups against with other boxers.We know that this had been a typical behavior for some but well this is personal
input and decisions to be made but if it turns out to be mandatory then theres nothing they can do but to deal and agree with it.Losing into this upcoming matches would neither or wouldnt really affect their possible
fight with Inoue but it is much more better if it turns out to be a win so that at least have some boost up or have some confidence in doing so.

Never mind Donaire, lol, he has been in the business for so long, he should already know that trash talking is part of the game. Even if they win, Inoue is still the A-side of the fight against Donaire or Casimero. But it's better if they will pull a win, so that the hype is still there. Specially Casimero who settles for trash talking Inoue and he is getting on Inoue's skin. I think it will be bigger that Donaire vs Inoue in my opinion.

[Rufsilf]

So if Casimero vs Butler is done and whether Casimero loses or wins on this match, he's still going for Inoue.

That is a Big possibility but of course there is Donaire that one of them may be facing.

so it will be there for the WBC to decide.

I think if we want to see the match of him against Donaire, it will take a year before we see that happen if he has to fight next Inoue.

Donaire is also near to decide of retiring as i believe he is already wanted .

and now that Manny Pacquiao is retired formally then He will be the next to be expected .

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

[rhomelmabini]

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

What??? I don't think that will be the case or worst is "they won't fight at all". His retirement has been a talk even way back 2015 I guess but doesn't happen yet and I guess the one that making the noise is when he makes a rematch with Inoue and if that happens by the next year then I'm expecting that year will be his retirement year too.

[Questat]

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

What??? I don't think that will be the case or worst is "they won't fight at all". His retirement has been a talk even way back 2015 I guess but doesn't happen yet and I guess the one that making the noise is when he makes a rematch with Inoue and if that happens by the next year then I'm expecting that year will be his retirement year too.

Donaire would only retire if he loses against Inoue in a rematch, the fight between Casimero is unlikely to happen as these two does not agree to fight anymore, they are just chasing their opportunity to fight Inoue, hence they should win their mandatory fight in order for that to happen.

[Botnake]

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

What??? I don't think that will be the case or worst is "they won't fight at all". His retirement has been a talk even way back 2015 I guess but doesn't happen yet and I guess the one that making the noise is when he makes a rematch with Inoue and if that happens by the next year then I'm expecting that year will be his retirement year too.

Donaire would only retire if he loses against Inoue in a rematch, the fight between Casimero is unlikely to happen as these two does not agree to fight anymore, they are just chasing their opportunity to fight Inoue, hence they should win their mandatory fight in order for that to happen.

Not that easy, if we say that, we are like assuming that Gaballo has no chance of beating him in their upcoming fight. I guess the right words to say is that Donaire will retire if he ever loses a fight again because if he loses against Gaballo, Inoue would not be interested in fighting him anymore.

[Yaunfitda]

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

What??? I don't think that will be the case or worst is "they won't fight at all". His retirement has been a talk even way back 2015 I guess but doesn't happen yet and I guess the one that making the noise is when he makes a rematch with Inoue and if that happens by the next year then I'm expecting that year will be his retirement year too.

Donaire would only retire if he loses against Inoue in a rematch, the fight between Casimero is unlikely to happen as these two does not agree to fight anymore, they are just chasing their opportunity to fight Inoue, hence they should win their mandatory fight in order for that to happen.

We can't say that Casimero vs inoue will not happen. This scenario is still open, if they win against their mandatory, they could set it up again in the future.

One thing this boxers are specially Donaire, already in the twilight of his career, is to go for more lucrative fights before he retire. So Donaire vs Casimero or Donaire vs Inoue can be the biggest potential fight in this weight class.

[Kasabus]

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

What??? I don't think that will be the case or worst is "they won't fight at all". His retirement has been a talk even way back 2015 I guess but doesn't happen yet and I guess the one that making the noise is when he makes a rematch with Inoue and if that happens by the next year then I'm expecting that year will be his retirement year too.

Donaire would only retire if he loses against Inoue in a rematch, the fight between Casimero is unlikely to happen as these two does not agree to fight anymore, they are just chasing their opportunity to fight Inoue, hence they should win their mandatory fight in order for that to happen.

We can't say that Casimero vs inoue will not happen. This scenario is still open, if they win against their mandatory, they could set it up again in the future.

One thing this boxers are specially Donaire, already in the twilight of his career, is to go for more lucrative fights before he retire. So Donaire vs Casimero or Donaire vs Inoue can be the biggest potential fight in this weight class.

Filipino vs Filipino, I guess it would only generate a little crowd since the fight will likely take place in the USA, and what happen to the Donaire vs Casimero issue, the "disrespect thing", I guess these two will not anymore fight each other, so it's better to see an Inoue fight against any of the two Filipino champions.

[electronicash]

I think Donaire will retire right after he can fight Casimero, but if that does not happen sooner then I think Donaire will step down as a professional boxer like Manny Pacquaio did. Given the age Donaire he's the most likely retiring few years from now after Manny Pacquaio.

But let's look forward to this all Filipino fight showdown soon after this mandatory fights that the WBO ordered.

What??? I don't think that will be the case or worst is "they won't fight at all". His retirement has been a talk even way back 2015 I guess but doesn't happen yet and I guess the one that making the noise is when he makes a rematch with Inoue and if that happens by the next year then I'm expecting that year will be his retirement year too.

Donaire would only retire if he loses against Inoue in a rematch, the fight between Casimero is unlikely to happen as these two does not agree to fight anymore, they are just chasing their opportunity to fight Inoue, hence they should win their mandatory fight in order for that to happen.

We can't say that Casimero vs inoue will not happen. This scenario is still open, if they win against their mandatory, they could set it up again in the future.

One thing this boxers are specially Donaire, already in the twilight of his career, is to go for more lucrative fights before he retire. So Donaire vs Casimero or Donaire vs Inoue can be the biggest potential fight in this weight class.

Filipino vs Filipino, I guess it would only generate a little crowd since the fight will likely take place in the USA, and what happen to the Donaire vs Casimero issue, the "disrespect thing", I guess these two will not anymore fight each other, so it's better to see an Inoue fight against any of the two Filipino champions.

they still can talk trash on  twitter forever until pacs and allah promotion will give them a chance to finally vent it out physically. it really is bothering sometimes when you speculate already that it will be a good action pack fight but disappointing to learn its not going to realized.

i believe theyd regret not pushing for their match. its not casimero thats interested.

[Yamifoud]

i believe theyd regret not pushing for their match. its not casimero thats interested.

Donaire will regret it because he was the one who cool off the fight, it was supposed to happen this year but suddenly Donaire cancelled the fight because he doesn't like the trash talk of Casimero, that was below the belt and even his wife (which is his manager as well) was disrespected.

[goaldigger]

i believe theyd regret not pushing for their match. its not casimero thats interested.

Donaire will regret it because he was the one who cool off the fight, it was supposed to happen this year but suddenly Donaire cancelled the fight because he doesn't like the trash talk of Casimero, that was below the belt and even his wife (which is his manager as well) was disrespected.

There should be no regret here because they are both boxer and no one lose here except for the opportunity to make more money and get more titles. Donaire wants to fight Inoue same thing with Casimero and if they both win on their respective matches, they might have the chance here. Anyway is there any final date for this match between Casimero and Butler? Last 3 months of the year, they should let this happen this year though Casimero is fresh from his win. this could be his advantage.

[AicecreaME]

It's funny how WBO is now forcing their boxers to fight, when did it became a mandatory organization? lol. Even though boxing matches are being cancelled because of boxers personal reason, it is not fair for them to make it mandatory, it's too toxic to handle. I guess since the pandemic started, their organization are losing profits because no fights are being conducted, that's why they are so desperate to make a lot of boxing matches just to get back their profits.

[laurenB7742]

It's funny how WBO is now forcing their boxers to fight, when did it became a mandatory organization? lol. Even though boxing matches are being cancelled because of boxers personal reason, it is not fair for them to make it mandatory, it's too toxic to handle. I guess since the pandemic started, their organization are losing profits because no fights are being conducted, that's why they are so desperate to make a lot of boxing matches just to get back their profits.

WBO should not be forcing the players for matches. It's not fair in my opinion. Boxing itself is already an extreme sport and pretty lethal as well. Players need the time to recover after each match, sometimes they need more time to recover mentally more than physically. And forcing them to fight won't bring out good outcomes in the longer run. Hope this trend doesn't keep continuing.

[Fredomago]

It's funny how WBO is now forcing their boxers to fight, when did it became a mandatory organization? lol. Even though boxing matches are being cancelled because of boxers personal reason, it is not fair for them to make it mandatory, it's too toxic to handle. I guess since the pandemic started, their organization are losing profits because no fights are being conducted, that's why they are so desperate to make a lot of boxing matches just to get back their profits.

I see your point, and probably one of the reason why the organization is calling this fight. They need money and they'll do everything to make things happen, since it's a mandatory fighter and their camps have no option but to deal with it and set the fight.

but looking also on the brighter side, since there's no concrete assurance that Inoue will fight Casimero.

This mandatory fight is a blessing. Instead of waiting, this fight will give Casimero and Butler time to condition and improved their individual skills.

Fighters also need to feed their families. With this mandatory fight, they will receive secure checks whatever happens with the fight.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We all want to see Casimero vs Inoue, but reading everything related to the fight, here what influences the most is what I have always said, the business model, and for now it is politics that directs the course of the fighters, for Of course all this comes down to what everyone is looking for: "Money", and without going too far, this article talks a lot about what the OMB influences:

WBO order negotiation for John Riel Casimero title defense against Paul Butler

The WBO has ordered the teams for bantamweight champion John Riel Casimero and mandatory challenger Paul Butler to begin negotiations to face one another, with an agreement to be reached in the next twenty days or risk heading to a purse bid.

Source: https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/9/22/22687942/john-riel-casimero-next-fight-wbo-order-vs-paul-butler-boxing-news-2021

And without counting the money each will earn, in the case of Caleb and Canelo, the amounts to be won by both of them is impressive.

[bisdak40]

We all want to see Casimero vs Inoue, but reading everything related to the fight, here what influences the most is what I have always said, the business model, and for now it is politics that directs the course of the fighters, for Of course all this comes down to what everyone is looking for: "Money", and without going too far, this article talks a lot about what the OMB influences:

Every move they made now is calculated, I mean that they are weighing all the options, and where they could earn more money then that would be the fight that they will take. In this case of mandatory fights, the sanctioning body wants a share of the pie and we can deny the fact that this is not a money fight that the promoters want so expect Casimero to receive a purse so much lower if he fights Donaire or Inoue and mind you the risk is the same.

[goinmerry]

It's funny how WBO is now forcing their boxers to fight, when did it became a mandatory organization? lol. Even though boxing matches are being cancelled because of boxers personal reason, it is not fair for them to make it mandatory, it's too toxic to handle. I guess since the pandemic started, their organization are losing profits because no fights are being conducted, that's why they are so desperate to make a lot of boxing matches just to get back their profits.

WBO should not be forcing the players for matches. It's not fair in my opinion. Boxing itself is already an extreme sport and pretty lethal as well. Players need the time to recover after each match, sometimes they need more time to recover mentally more than physically. And forcing them to fight won't bring out good outcomes in the longer run. Hope this trend doesn't keep continuing.

Not fair? Are you guys for real? WBO is a big boxing organization. They will not mandate a fight if it's not under their terms.

Desperate to earn profits? Do you guys even realize how costly and effort requires to arrange a fight? If they won't get the target revenue, how can they even support the operation of the organization plus the whole people that needed to be pay?

If Inoue will be the next match to Casimero, do you think it will generate more money? No! Regardless of who's the next opponent of Casimero, there are no changes to the money that they can take home. That's a fact especially it's pandemic.

[Baofeng]

We all want to see Casimero vs Inoue, but reading everything related to the fight, here what influences the most is what I have always said, the business model, and for now it is politics that directs the course of the fighters, for Of course all this comes down to what everyone is looking for: "Money", and without going too far, this article talks a lot about what the OMB influences:

Every move they made now is calculated, I mean that they are weighing all the options, and where they could earn more money then that would be the fight that they will take. In this case of mandatory fights, the sanctioning body wants a share of the pie and we can deny the fact that this is not a money fight that the promoters want so expect Casimero to receive a purse so much lower if he fights Donaire or Inoue and mind you the risk is the same.

Yes, that's true, mandatory fights just gave minimum money for this boxers of this organisation. But the good thing is that they keep a good standing in the WBO and could be given privilege in their next fight, like going up in weight, they could have a first crack of the WBO champion.

But even with less money in the table, Casimero still needs to win this so that a unification bout can happen with either Naoya or Nonito, and that's where the money will come.

[boyptc]

I am also Aiming for Casimero to Win but not because I want him to Win instead I want him to be defeated by Inoue or Donaire soon 

So if Casimero vs Butler is done and whether Casimero loses or wins on this match, he's still going for Inoue.

I think if we want to see the match of him against Donaire, it will take a year before we see that happen if he has to fight next Inoue.

Probably a higher chance to fight Inoue if Casimero wins but if he loses on this match, they can still fix it as long as the contract is in favor to Inoue and that is for sure. Inoue is their main goal to be the first boxer to landed a lost to Inoue, either Donaire or Casimero they really want this so bad. Well, if the trash talking continues with Casimero and Donaire, I don't think their fight will push through, Donaire don't want that kind of game though.

Yeah.

Likely is that they're the ones that are going to chase for Inoue. While Inoue, he's just chill and waiting for good offers that shall come to them and whoever it is.

The guy is also down for it.

[YuginKadoya]

I really don't know what to think about this or the Casimero VS Inoue fight would still continue, but this is an order from the WBO that Casimero really needs to fight Butler first, and I think Paul Butler is a good match for Casimero to surely try if he really can match against Naoya Inoue's power, and this is a good stand up on who's really going to win,

And I really think another fight could not hurt the good record of John Riel Casimero now, especially he is going to face an opponent that can really give him great pressure, in preparation with the Naoya Inoue fight, but I am not saying Paul Butler is a pushover and that is a good sign, Still supporting John Riel Casimero on this.

[goinmerry]

Simple as it is if Casimero won't be able to beat Butler, no Naoya Inoue for him next. It's a great opportunity for Casimero to destroy another boxer for him to be more considered as the top contender to Inoue. If you guys trust Casimero, there should be no problem. A fight between Casimero and Inoue will be arranged soon. More possible, a big chance next year. He just needs to finish his business against Butler.