[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[Dave1]

I really don't know what to think about this or the Casimero VS Inoue fight would still continue, but this is an order from the WBO that Casimero really needs to fight Butler first, and I think Paul Butler is a good match for Casimero to surely try if he really can match against Naoya Inoue's power, and this is a good stand up on who's really going to win,

Still on the radar though, that is if Casimero win against Butler. We all know that Casimero is calling out Naoya Inoue for a while and Naoya already responded that he is willing to be the dance partner. However, WBO ordered him to fight is mandatory.

And I really think another fight could not hurt the good record of John Riel Casimero now, especially he is going to face an opponent that can really give him great pressure, in preparation with the Naoya Inoue fight, but I am not saying Paul Butler is a pushover and that is a good sign, Still supporting John Riel Casimero on this.

Love to see Casimero being pressured against Butler, just like in the Duke Micah fight. Wherein Micah has some good rounds and even caught Casimero. So I'm expecting that Butler will try to do the same and not run away from the power of Casimero.

[Reatim]

I really don't know what to think about this or the Casimero VS Inoue fight would still continue, but this is an order from the WBO that Casimero really needs to fight Butler first, and I think Paul Butler is a good match for Casimero to surely try if he really can match against Naoya Inoue's power, and this is a good stand up on who's really going to win,

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

While Inoue is still hanging and has no fight news sooner.

And I really think another fight could not hurt the good record of John Riel Casimero now, especially he is going to face an opponent that can really give him great pressure, in preparation with the Naoya Inoue fight, but I am not saying Paul Butler is a pushover and that is a good sign, Still supporting John Riel Casimero on this.

any fight will bring Him big effect mate because of Him a Trash talker? many viewers waiting for his Defeat and this is the price for having that attitude.

Look at McGregor because of His attitude he gains haters than fans and thi is what Casimero is having now.

[agustina2]

Look at McGregor because of His attitude he gains haters than fans and thi is what Casimero is having now.

McGregor can live with his trash talks and no need to prove anything. That was different to Casimero that still on the ground but his trash talk is sometimes below the belt. People won't have a choice but to admire any boxer even they are trash talkers if they can prove it in the ring, in the actual fight.

But for the level of trash talk, Casimero's trash talk is not that brutal compare to other fighters. He still has that respect and his apology for Donaire recently is proof that he's not that arrogant. He may be just want to sell the Donaire fight but unfortunately got canceled.

[chaser15]

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

There's no maybe, the fight between Casimero and Inoue will really happen. It already arrange last year but the pandemic cancelled it. Casimero just needs to win his next fight and after that, he can challenge Inoue and I think the WBO won't mandate another fight to him. It will happen next year if he won. But in case of loss, we can expect that no more Casimero vs Inoue.

[Hypnosis00]

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

There's no maybe, the fight between Casimero and Inoue will really happen. It already arrange last year but the pandemic cancelled it. Casimero just needs to win his next fight and after that, he can challenge Inoue and I think the WBO won't mandate another fight to him. It will happen next year if he won.

And it was supposed to happen this year if this mandatory fight did not ruin the party. Inoue said in an interview that he wants to fight Casimero this year, probably December, so people are expecting that big fight but it's not gonna happen.

But in case of loss, we can expect that no more Casimero vs Inoue.

That's why I don't believe that Casimero would loss.

[Fatunad]

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

There's no maybe, the fight between Casimero and Inoue will really happen. It already arrange last year but the pandemic cancelled it. Casimero just needs to win his next fight and after that, he can challenge Inoue and I think the WBO won't mandate another fight to him. It will happen next year if he won. But in case of loss, we can expect that no more Casimero vs Inoue.

Cant really be that sure if Inoue vs Casimero would really push through after this fight thats why its really hard to make out conclusions because decisions would be always end up on  WBF,WBO etc.
They do have the rights on arranging fights even though its already been hyped but still end up on having those mandatory fights but lets hope that it would really be the case on when
Casimero beat up Butler then the next fight should at least be Inoue which do have been lots of people anticipating for this one.

[Jating]

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

There's no maybe, the fight between Casimero and Inoue will really happen. It already arrange last year but the pandemic cancelled it. Casimero just needs to win his next fight and after that, he can challenge Inoue and I think the WBO won't mandate another fight to him. It will happen next year if he won. But in case of loss, we can expect that no more Casimero vs Inoue.

Yeah, it will definitely happen in the future, the verbal war has started and I doubt that it will just end it that way. Everything will be answered inside the ring. I do still think that Casimero will have a crack against Inoue, it might take long though, but definitely a win is a sure fire ticket for a Casimero vs Inoue clash for unification of their belts. Let Casimero first do his business with Butler and then we will see what happens next.

[Twinkledoe]

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

There's no maybe, the fight between Casimero and Inoue will really happen. It already arrange last year but the pandemic cancelled it. Casimero just needs to win his next fight and after that, he can challenge Inoue and I think the WBO won't mandate another fight to him. It will happen next year if he won. But in case of loss, we can expect that no more Casimero vs Inoue.

Yeah, it will definitely happen in the future, the verbal war has started and I doubt that it will just end it that way. Everything will be answered inside the ring. I do still think that Casimero will have a crack against Inoue, it might take long though, but definitely a win is a sure fire ticket for a Casimero vs Inoue clash for unification of their belts. Let Casimero first do his business with Butler and then we will see what happens next.

But if for some reasons, Butler will defeat Casimero, I don't think the interest will be the same or the hype will be the same. And Inoue may change the tune. So let us see after this upcoming Casimero fight. If he can defend the title, then, high likely that they will soon arrange for Inoue's fight.

[Sanitough]

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

There's no maybe, the fight between Casimero and Inoue will really happen. It already arrange last year but the pandemic cancelled it. Casimero just needs to win his next fight and after that, he can challenge Inoue and I think the WBO won't mandate another fight to him. It will happen next year if he won. But in case of loss, we can expect that no more Casimero vs Inoue.

Yeah, it will definitely happen in the future, the verbal war has started and I doubt that it will just end it that way. Everything will be answered inside the ring. I do still think that Casimero will have a crack against Inoue, it might take long though, but definitely a win is a sure fire ticket for a Casimero vs Inoue clash for unification of their belts. Let Casimero first do his business with Butler and then we will see what happens next.

But if for some reasons, Butler will defeat Casimero, I don't think the interest will be the same or the hype will be the same. And Inoue may change the tune. So let us see after this upcoming Casimero fight. If he can defend the title, then, high likely that they will soon arrange for Inoue's fight.

There's a small chance Butler would win against a prime Casimero, he hasn't lose a fight anymore and he is dominating his opponent once an opponent is willing to take the risk, of course, we can make an exception on Rigondeux as he doesn't fight to win, just fighting to make money by surviving.

The trash talking is their for Inoue vs Casimero, obviously, it was Casimero who did the most part but that has a good result as fans were really hype up.

[YuginKadoya]

Still on the radar though, that is if Casimero win against Butler. We all know that Casimero is calling out Naoya Inoue for a while and Naoya already responded that he is willing to be the dance partner. However, WBO ordered him to fight is mandatory.

Well, that is how it is if the WBO ordered the fight it is surely inevitable 'and Casimero vs Naoya will surely have to wait, but yes if John Riel Casimero will not win this then there will be no John Riel Casimero VS Naoya Inoue fight on the horizon.

Love to see Casimero being pressured against Butler, just like in the Duke Micah fight. Wherein Micah has some good rounds and even caught Casimero. So I'm expecting that Butler will try to do the same and not run away from the power of Casimero.

Yup! I really think this is a good fight for Casimero to take on first before he faces Naoya Inoue's destructive punches, I really think that Naoya Inoue is a big rock that needs to shatter, and before that Casimero needs to prove his worth if he can really shatter that big rock to pieces, and a Paul Butler fight will surely sharpen Casimero's Fangs for preparation on the big fight.

Maybe in future , the fight will happen for Casimero and Inoue but for now lets accept the truth about Butler being his opponent.

While Inoue is still hanging and has no fight news sooner.

I already accept that fact and I already think this is still a good opportunity to prepare for the Naoya Inoue fight, if Casimero can not win against Paul Butler then he is not worth facing Inoue.

any fight will bring Him big effect mate because of Him a Trash talker? many viewers waiting for his Defeat and this is the price for having that attitude.

Look at McGregor because of His attitude he gains haters than fans and thi is what Casimero is having now.

Even though he has many haters, I will still support Casimero, and in my opinion, having that attitude is just for entertainment and to hype the fight, I think this is just his strategy in getting noticed by Naoya Inoue if this is what's causing him to get many haters I think this is another thing to make a big talk on their fight, and by knowing him more, John Riel Casimero is a real humble and down to earth guy you just need to open your critical thinking to understand the guy.

[South Park]

Never mind Donaire, lol, he has been in the business for so long, he should already know that trash talking is part of the game. Even if they win, Inoue is still the A-side of the fight against Donaire or Casimero. But it's better if they will pull a win, so that the hype is still there. Specially Casimero who settles for trash talking Inoue and he is getting on Inoue's skin. I think it will be bigger that Donaire vs Inoue in my opinion.

And this is why I am not so excited with the way things turned out, while Casimero should be the favorite to win this fight every time you face a challenger there is the possibility of losing and when that happens any hype that the fight could have had evaporates, and not only the fans are not as excited as they were before but even the fighters lose as they are not going to earn as much money as they could had if thy fought each other before that happened, I hope this does not happen but it is always a possibility.

[boyptc]

I really don't know what to think about this or the Casimero VS Inoue fight would still continue, but this is an order from the WBO that Casimero really needs to fight Butler first, and I think Paul Butler is a good match for Casimero to surely try if he really can match against Naoya Inoue's power, and this is a good stand up on who's really going to win,

Still on the radar though, that is if Casimero win against Butler. We all know that Casimero is calling out Naoya Inoue for a while and Naoya already responded that he is willing to be the dance partner. However, WBO ordered him to fight is mandatory.

If it's not by the order of WBO. We're about to watch Inoue and Casimero's match but because there's an order that Casimero has to follow, this good looking match has been postponed.

I agree that it's still possible and we just have to let this match against Butler to happen and wait.

[Sanitough]

Never mind Donaire, lol, he has been in the business for so long, he should already know that trash talking is part of the game. Even if they win, Inoue is still the A-side of the fight against Donaire or Casimero. But it's better if they will pull a win, so that the hype is still there. Specially Casimero who settles for trash talking Inoue and he is getting on Inoue's skin. I think it will be bigger that Donaire vs Inoue in my opinion.

And this is why I am not so excited with the way things turned out, while Casimero should be the favorite to win this fight every time you face a challenger there is the possibility of losing and when that happens any hype that the fight could have had evaporates, and not only the fans are not as excited as they were before but even the fighters lose as they are not going to earn as much money as they could had if thy fought each other before that happened, I hope this does not happen but it is always a possibility.

There's no room for mistakes for Casimero here, though he has some problem with an opponent that moves fast and is not totally aggressive, I'm sure he learned a lot on his fight against Rigo, and he understands that he has to go back to his KO streak again and that means we will see an impressive win if he will be successful in defending his belt.

The trash talk and his success in his previous fights are his main recipe to get a big fight, he would lose that if he cannot beat his challenger.

[Japinat]

Never mind Donaire, lol, he has been in the business for so long, he should already know that trash talking is part of the game. Even if they win, Inoue is still the A-side of the fight against Donaire or Casimero. But it's better if they will pull a win, so that the hype is still there. Specially Casimero who settles for trash talking Inoue and he is getting on Inoue's skin. I think it will be bigger that Donaire vs Inoue in my opinion.

And this is why I am not so excited with the way things turned out, while Casimero should be the favorite to win this fight every time you face a challenger there is the possibility of losing and when that happens any hype that the fight could have had evaporates, and not only the fans are not as excited as they were before but even the fighters lose as they are not going to earn as much money as they could had if thy fought each other before that happened, I hope this does not happen but it is always a possibility.

There's no room for mistakes for Casimero here, though he has some problem with an opponent that moves fast and is not totally aggressive, I'm sure he learned a lot on his fight against Rigo, and he understands that he has to go back to his KO streak again and that means we will see an impressive win if he will be successful in defending his belt.

The trash talk and his success in his previous fights are his main recipe to get a big fight, he would lose that if he cannot beat his challenger.

He has some break for winning the fight against Rigo, that kind of fight does not need to happen again as he is risking his good record and streak. Now that he will again fight a challenger and looks like Butler is not using a Rigo style, it would not be hard for him to use his strategy and if he loses, there's no excuse for him.

[acroman08]

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I suggest reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_challenger. the mandatory fight is not a new thing and besides, for a mandatory fight to happen certain conditions is needed to be met in order for a mandatory fight to happen. also, as I said before(on the previous pages), these boxer knows that mandatory fights can happen. it is not like they are kept in the dark.

[Baofeng]

It's funny how WBO is now forcing their boxers to fight, when did it became a mandatory organization? lol. Even though boxing matches are being cancelled because of boxers personal reason, it is not fair for them to make it mandatory, it's too toxic to handle. I guess since the pandemic started, their organization are losing profits because no fights are being conducted, that's why they are so desperate to make a lot of boxing matches just to get back their profits.

WBO should not be forcing the players for matches. It's not fair in my opinion. Boxing itself is already an extreme sport and pretty lethal as well. Players need the time to recover after each match, sometimes they need more time to recover mentally more than physically. And forcing them to fight won't bring out good outcomes in the longer run. Hope this trend doesn't keep continuing.

There are rules to follow, every sports have it's governing body, otherwise it will be chaotic, just straight up rule specially mandatory fights. If you are referring to Casimero, he has a lot of time to recover from his last fight, he wasn't damage from the Rigo fight, because Rigo keeps on running. I disagree, having Casimero fights Butler is a good test for Casimero, he needs to stay focus and sharp in this fight so that he will get Inoue or Donaire in the future.

[btc_angela]

-snip

I suggest reading this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_challenger. the mandatory fight is not a new thing and besides, for a mandatory fight to happen certain conditions is needed to be met in order for a mandatory fight to happen. also, as I said before(on the previous pages), these boxer knows that mandatory fights can happen. it is not like they are kept in the dark.

Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

[acroman08]

Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

[Kemarit]

Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

Yeah, and usually though fighters in a certain organization are given the first crack on their champion, that's why there are rankings inside their organization that might differ in others.

So in this scenario:

Champion: Casimero;

WBO rankings:

1. Paul Butler
2. Joseph Agbeko
3. Nikolai Potapov
4. Rau'shee Warren
5. Jason Moloney

So the first crack will be Paul Butler in this case. So there's nothing suspicious about Casimero vs Butler. Maybe we are just hype on Casimero vs Inoue or Casimero vs Donaire. But being the WBO champion and been ordered to fight the mandatory first.

[bbc.reporter]

@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?