[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[Sanitough]

That's probably what will happen, they just have to pick the best between the two since they are in the same division, and the winner will fight Inoue, I think that's a good deal. I'm just curious, how in the earth it's possible that Donaire help Casimero to sign with the same promoter he recently signed with, I mean, what's the intention?

Per report, it's just helping fellow Filipino who are having problems this time. That is what Rachel said and all of the misunderstandings that they have is now all under the bridge  . We might saw them fight in the card this December 11, this is what Nonito disclosed.

I don't think there are an ill motives in recommending Casimero to Richard Schaeffer except if Rachel wants to be the former's manager like how he handles his husband now.

For me, signing with Probellum is a big help and might boost Casimero's career and Richard might be the one to deliver the Inoue fight to Casimero as we all know that father time is catching up with Donaire.

I hope this brings a positive outcome to the career of Casimero as he deserved to have a big fight after what he has achieved. Under Probellum, is it possible that he will change his style? he loves to trash talk, can he lower that a bit, or he will continue with his style?

He doesn't need to change his style he is known to that and this bring hype to his name so I think it will be fun watching him if he act like that since he can create noise then be notice by more bigger opponent. Also I also hope that this will create positive outcome since if Casimero will lost on this fight provably we can see his big opponents avoid him since they might think that Casimero has nothing to lose.

Except for Donaire, particularly on Donaire's wife which is Nonito's manager, he has to respect her and her whole Family so Donaire will give Casimero a chance to fight him, but of course, that's in the future as both fighters need to take care of their mandatory challengers which also are aiming to win the belt.

[Silberman]

The guy is not getting the fight and the money that he deserves, after he knocks out Tete, he defended his title to low-rank boxers the guy is daring top boxers to fight him, but these promoters are not giving him this kind of fight, Casimero will win this fight against Butler but after this fight, it's up to his managers to get him a good fight that he deserves, it's not on Casimero anymore it's on the team that handles him now.

Exactly. Mandatory fights usually isn't worth fighting for the defending champion. I'm not underestimating Paul Butler here, but Tete dominated him in their last fight. Also, Casimero paycheck is way too low compared to other champions.
However, this could become challenging for Casimero again, If Butler decides to be more on a defensive stance rather than being aggressive, because he might get KO If he goes head to head against Casimero.

The issue here is that if he does not like the money that he is going to get out of this fight he could have easily avoided this by fighting Inoue, I am pretty sure he could have earned way more money with that fight but that is the kind of fight that could put him at risk of losing his belt, so while there was a lot of talk over the media about the fight there was nothing contractual going and the WBO is on his right to force him to fight Butler if he wants to retain his belt.

[AmoreJaz]

The guy is not getting the fight and the money that he deserves, after he knocks out Tete, he defended his title to low-rank boxers the guy is daring top boxers to fight him, but these promoters are not giving him this kind of fight, Casimero will win this fight against Butler but after this fight, it's up to his managers to get him a good fight that he deserves, it's not on Casimero anymore it's on the team that handles him now.

Exactly. Mandatory fights usually isn't worth fighting for the defending champion. I'm not underestimating Paul Butler here, but Tete dominated him in their last fight. Also, Casimero paycheck is way too low compared to other champions.
However, this could become challenging for Casimero again, If Butler decides to be more on a defensive stance rather than being aggressive, because he might get KO If he goes head to head against Casimero.

The issue here is that if he does not like the money that he is going to get out of this fight he could have easily avoided this by fighting Inoue, I am pretty sure he could have earned way more money with that fight but that is the kind of fight that could put him at risk of losing his belt, so while there was a lot of talk over the media about the fight there was nothing contractual going and the WBO is on his right to force him to fight Butler if he wants to retain his belt.

this is mandatory fight so he can't avoid this one. and unfortunately only Probellum Promotions submitted their bid costing only $105k source, neither of both boxers' promotion company submit their bid. this is why the purse split here is small. maybe they feel this one will not attract much interest from the boxing fans as they are looking forward to Inoue's match. however, casimero should treat this as a good prep for inoue or donaire, so he needs to win on this match. otherwise, the next turn of events may be different from what he is expecting.

[Mahanton]

The guy is not getting the fight and the money that he deserves, after he knocks out Tete, he defended his title to low-rank boxers the guy is daring top boxers to fight him, but these promoters are not giving him this kind of fight, Casimero will win this fight against Butler but after this fight, it's up to his managers to get him a good fight that he deserves, it's not on Casimero anymore it's on the team that handles him now.

Exactly. Mandatory fights usually isn't worth fighting for the defending champion. I'm not underestimating Paul Butler here, but Tete dominated him in their last fight. Also, Casimero paycheck is way too low compared to other champions.
However, this could become challenging for Casimero again, If Butler decides to be more on a defensive stance rather than being aggressive, because he might get KO If he goes head to head against Casimero.

The issue here is that if he does not like the money that he is going to get out of this fight he could have easily avoided this by fighting Inoue, I am pretty sure he could have earned way more money with that fight but that is the kind of fight that could put him at risk of losing his belt, so while there was a lot of talk over the media about the fight there was nothing contractual going and the WBO is on his right to force him to fight Butler if he wants to retain his belt.

this is mandatory fight so he can't avoid this one. and unfortunately only Probellum Promotions submitted their bid costing only $105k source, neither of both boxers' promotion company submit their bid. this is why the purse split here is small. maybe they feel this one will not attract much interest from the boxing fans as they are looking forward to Inoue's match. however, casimero should treat this as a good prep for inoue or donaire, so he needs to win on this match. otherwise, the next turn of events may be different from what he is expecting.

When it comes to money making then this would really be less which is already anticipated but in talks about preparation for upcoming fight neither against with Inoue or Donaire.
So is there anything or choice he could make? None right? It do sucks for us to wait up even more but they are the ones who do make out decisions so lets just deal with it.
Mandatories is something leaving them with no choice and we've seen on how these fights do really cut up the hype around when it comes to against with Inoue.

[Baofeng]

@bisdak40 - thanks for the update, yeah, it seems that Casimero has bolted out of MP. Not really sure what Manny Pacquiao still trust Sean Gibbons, as I have said before, this has the making of a "Michael Koncz" again.

In any case it was good that both Nonito and John Riel are in good terms and the Donaire's are helping John Riel jump to the back yard of Richard and his team on Probellum.

Who knows, maybe we can see Donaire and Casimero on the same card, that will be huge for Filipino boxing fans around the world.

[chaser15]

Who knows, maybe we can see Donaire and Casimero on the same card, that will be huge for Filipino boxing fans around the world.

That's possible since, in the first place, the announcement of their respective fight happened on the same day. It's been a while when we saw full Pinoy boxers against the world. The last time I was able to watch is between Mexico vs the PH boxers. If I'm not mistaken and I'm not really sure, there are over 5 matches on that saga and PH won the fight.

[CaVO32]

@bisdak40 - thanks for the update, yeah, it seems that Casimero has bolted out of MP. Not really sure what Manny Pacquiao still trust Sean Gibbons, as I have said before, this has the making of a "Michael Koncz" again.

In any case it was good that both Nonito and John Riel are in good terms and the Donaire's are helping John Riel jump to the back yard of Richard and his team on Probellum.

Who knows, maybe we can see Donaire and Casimero on the same card, that will be huge for Filipino boxing fans around the world.

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

[agustina2]

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

Casimero apologizes prior to the announcement of their new mandatory fight. I think the drama he started is just part of the marketing and it was effective I think. There is no way he will mock a fellow PH boxer in a serious manner. All about just attention but unfortunately, ended with the fight against Donaire got canceled.

About this mandatory fight, I have noticed that Casimero is still not vocal about the fight. Maybe he was advised not to throw trash talks for now?

[Kemarit]

@bisdak40 - thanks for the update, yeah, it seems that Casimero has bolted out of MP. Not really sure what Manny Pacquiao still trust Sean Gibbons, as I have said before, this has the making of a "Michael Koncz" again.

In any case it was good that both Nonito and John Riel are in good terms and the Donaire's are helping John Riel jump to the back yard of Richard and his team on Probellum.

Who knows, maybe we can see Donaire and Casimero on the same card, that will be huge for Filipino boxing fans around the world.

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

It seems that the drama is over as Rachel Donaire was very instrumental of helping Casimero to get to Probellum. I guess, we Filipinos have a soft heart for fellow pinoys.

And with how quick things turns out, I think Casimero doesn't have a 'real written contract' with MP. Because he just suddenly move to Probellum without any problems. Unless MP will file some lawsuit of breach of contract or something. But so far we haven't heard from Sean Gibbons himself.

[kotajikikox]

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

Casimero apologizes prior to the announcement of their new mandatory fight. I think the drama he started is just part of the marketing and it was effective I think. There is no way he will mock a fellow PH boxer in a serious manner. All about just attention but unfortunately, ended with the fight against Donaire got canceled.

Of course this is absolutely a strategy to make the fight gain popularity though does not come to plan as the fight between Casimero vs Donaire did not go through .

also this is how they manage to do such thing in the boxing world nowadays , as i also losing my trust in boxing industry.

About this mandatory fight, I have noticed that Casimero is still not vocal about the fight. Maybe he was advised not to throw trash talks for now?

His mouth silenced now maybe because of advises from the bosses to shut Him for now as the original plans did not work lol.

[Questat]

also this is how they manage to do such thing in the boxing world nowadays , as i also losing my trust in boxing industry.

This is pure business, trust how they run the business and don't trust your feelings as you might only be disappointed. In boxing, those fights who makes money are prioritize, that's why we have a promoter as they run the business and they make sure they make money in every fight to the point that they could make the two fighters act real even if it's just a lie.

[Fredomago]

Who knows, maybe we can see Donaire and Casimero on the same card, that will be huge for Filipino boxing fans around the world.

That's possible since, in the first place, the announcement of their respective fight happened on the same day. It's been a while when we saw full Pinoy boxers against the world. The last time I was able to watch is between Mexico vs the PH boxers. If I'm not mistaken and I'm not really sure, there are over 5 matches on that saga and PH won the fight.

That kind of possibilities will again bring the flag up, the boxing world knows that Pinoy fighters are one of those many talents around the world, if we see those fights against their respective opponents and they won both, the call for the fight for both of them will rise before calling the attention of Inoue, Donaire already said that they are open now to consider fighting Casimero.

A good time for this fight to happen, right? They just need to finish both fights and be declared as winner, then they can proceed to
the talk of possible title fight.

Both are good and both have their own skills that capable of winning, though different personalities and style, but both deserve the title.

[Yaunfitda]

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

Casimero apologizes prior to the announcement of their new mandatory fight. I think the drama he started is just part of the marketing and it was effective I think. There is no way he will mock a fellow PH boxer in a serious manner. All about just attention but unfortunately, ended with the fight against Donaire got canceled.

About this mandatory fight, I have noticed that Casimero is still not vocal about the fight. Maybe he was advised not to throw trash talks for now?

Probably waiting for the final date before making some trash talks in the public.

Or he doesn't want to trash talk his opponents, because he knows that it might be not effective because they are not in the same league.

And it's good to really hear that they patches things up, and that they are now with the same promotional company.

[Kasabus]

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

Casimero apologizes prior to the announcement of their new mandatory fight. I think the drama he started is just part of the marketing and it was effective I think. There is no way he will mock a fellow PH boxer in a serious manner. All about just attention but unfortunately, ended with the fight against Donaire got canceled.

About this mandatory fight, I have noticed that Casimero is still not vocal about the fight. Maybe he was advised not to throw trash talks for now?

Probably waiting for the final date before making some trash talks in the public.

Or he doesn't want to trash talk his opponents, because he knows that it might be not effective because they are not in the same league.

And it's good to really hear that they patches things up, and that they are now with the same promotional company.

Casimero is not vocal because this mandatory fight is not a big one, maybe he will just focus on beating his challenger and start searching for a big fight again. I understand Casimero, he tried to gain the attention of the people by his trash-talking technique but he was not able to get big fights yet, but he should not stop, keep winning and eventually, he would be able to fight with Inoue, and it's gonna happen for sure as he is under new promotion management now.

[ultrloa]

That's probably what will happen, they just have to pick the best between the two since they are in the same division, and the winner will fight Inoue, I think that's a good deal. I'm just curious, how in the earth it's possible that Donaire help Casimero to sign with the same promoter he recently signed with, I mean, what's the intention?

Per report, it's just helping fellow Filipino who are having problems this time. That is what Rachel said and all of the misunderstandings that they have is now all under the bridge  . We might saw them fight in the card this December 11, this is what Nonito disclosed.

I don't think there are an ill motives in recommending Casimero to Richard Schaeffer except if Rachel wants to be the former's manager like how he handles his husband now.

For me, signing with Probellum is a big help and might boost Casimero's career and Richard might be the one to deliver the Inoue fight to Casimero as we all know that father time is catching up with Donaire.

I hope this brings a positive outcome to the career of Casimero as he deserved to have a big fight after what he has achieved. Under Probellum, is it possible that he will change his style? he loves to trash talk, can he lower that a bit, or he will continue with his style?

He doesn't need to change his style he is known to that and this bring hype to his name so I think it will be fun watching him if he act like that since he can create noise then be notice by more bigger opponent. Also I also hope that this will create positive outcome since if Casimero will lost on this fight provably we can see his big opponents avoid him since they might think that Casimero has nothing to lose.

Except for Donaire, particularly on Donaire's wife which is Nonito's manager, he has to respect her and her whole Family so Donaire will give Casimero a chance to fight him, but of course, that's in the future as both fighters need to take care of their mandatory challengers which also are aiming to win the belt.

In some point this is right since first she is a girl a respect must be given to her but they should understand that this is Casimero style to hype up their fight but I agree if someone tell that this is wrong but hope they should understand that  this is part of the game to market their possible upcoming event. But I don't think we can see this fight between Casimero and Donaire since there are so many things are now blocking that and for sure the management will find another fighter like what happen on what supposed to be fight of Casimero vs Inoue but it turns out the WBO have different plan for Casimero.

[Jating]

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

Casimero apologizes prior to the announcement of their new mandatory fight. I think the drama he started is just part of the marketing and it was effective I think. There is no way he will mock a fellow PH boxer in a serious manner. All about just attention but unfortunately, ended with the fight against Donaire got canceled.

About this mandatory fight, I have noticed that Casimero is still not vocal about the fight. Maybe he was advised not to throw trash talks for now?

Probably waiting for the final date before making some trash talks in the public.

Or he doesn't want to trash talk his opponents, because he knows that it might be not effective because they are not in the same league.

And it's good to really hear that they patches things up, and that they are now with the same promotional company.

Casimero is not vocal because this mandatory fight is not a big one, maybe he will just focus on beating his challenger and start searching for a big fight again. I understand Casimero, he tried to gain the attention of the people by his trash-talking technique but he was not able to get big fights yet, but he should not stop, keep winning and eventually, he would be able to fight with Inoue, and it's gonna happen for sure as he is under new promotion management now.

He can't really do anything because this is a mandatory fight. Yeah, definitely, he is now under new management so the first day of business is to really win this fight and not to trash talk but focus on his training and it will be better if he can knock him out. This will send message to anyone, including Inoue and thus will create hype if ever they fight next year.

[Oilacris]

That's probably what will happen, they just have to pick the best between the two since they are in the same division, and the winner will fight Inoue, I think that's a good deal. I'm just curious, how in the earth it's possible that Donaire help Casimero to sign with the same promoter he recently signed with, I mean, what's the intention?

Per report, it's just helping fellow Filipino who are having problems this time. That is what Rachel said and all of the misunderstandings that they have is now all under the bridge  . We might saw them fight in the card this December 11, this is what Nonito disclosed.

I don't think there are an ill motives in recommending Casimero to Richard Schaeffer except if Rachel wants to be the former's manager like how he handles his husband now.

For me, signing with Probellum is a big help and might boost Casimero's career and Richard might be the one to deliver the Inoue fight to Casimero as we all know that father time is catching up with Donaire.

I hope this brings a positive outcome to the career of Casimero as he deserved to have a big fight after what he has achieved. Under Probellum, is it possible that he will change his style? he loves to trash talk, can he lower that a bit, or he will continue with his style?

He doesn't need to change his style he is known to that and this bring hype to his name so I think it will be fun watching him if he act like that since he can create noise then be notice by more bigger opponent. Also I also hope that this will create positive outcome since if Casimero will lost on this fight provably we can see his big opponents avoid him since they might think that Casimero has nothing to lose.

Except for Donaire, particularly on Donaire's wife which is Nonito's manager, he has to respect her and her whole Family so Donaire will give Casimero a chance to fight him, but of course, that's in the future as both fighters need to take care of their mandatory challengers which also are aiming to win the belt.

Actually i didnt really expect that the manager of Donaire was actually his wife itself.Thanks for sharing that up and for sure people doesnt even know that majority.
I did make out some search and its really that true. https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/donaire-casimero-unification-hangs

Actually, trashtalks is something usual or normal on any sports which is just normal but they did really take it personally because if they wanted to fight then those would be mostly ignored

but well we do have our own ego and principles in life which i cant really blame them off on making such decision.

[Botnake]

I believe the drama between Donaire and Casimero is already water under the bridge now. Because I have seen in one of the YT videos, Donaire's father had even good times with Casimero before Casimero left the US after his fight with Rigo. So the past issue may just be misunderstanding. It is boxing, so being professional here will be a good factor if they want to grow their respective careers.

Casimero apologizes prior to the announcement of their new mandatory fight. I think the drama he started is just part of the marketing and it was effective I think. There is no way he will mock a fellow PH boxer in a serious manner. All about just attention but unfortunately, ended with the fight against Donaire got canceled.

About this mandatory fight, I have noticed that Casimero is still not vocal about the fight. Maybe he was advised not to throw trash talks for now?

Probably waiting for the final date before making some trash talks in the public.

Or he doesn't want to trash talk his opponents, because he knows that it might be not effective because they are not in the same league.

And it's good to really hear that they patches things up, and that they are now with the same promotional company.

Casimero is not vocal because this mandatory fight is not a big one, maybe he will just focus on beating his challenger and start searching for a big fight again. I understand Casimero, he tried to gain the attention of the people by his trash-talking technique but he was not able to get big fights yet, but he should not stop, keep winning and eventually, he would be able to fight with Inoue, and it's gonna happen for sure as he is under new promotion management now.

He can't really do anything because this is a mandatory fight. Yeah, definitely, he is now under new management so the first day of business is to really win this fight and not to trash talk but focus on his training and it will be better if he can knock him out.

It would not be hard for Casimero to score a knockout against Butler because this mandatory challenger is a bully, he is very aggressive and wants to KO his opponent early, this is the type of opponent that fits Casimero's style as just like Donaire, Casimero is also good in looking for the timing to throw a counter puncher as he is not as fast as Inoue but his power is enough to KO a fighter in one punch.

This will send message to anyone, including Inoue and thus will create hype if ever they fight next year.

His chance to get a big win after a disappointing fight against Guillermo Rigondeaux which people see it a boring fight.

[Sanitough]

Casimero transfer to a new promotion might be the start of some boxers following the same path.

Manny Pacquiao their chairman and founder is busy with the election in the Philippines and most likely if he will lose, he would also lose a lot of money, probably billions as he is running for the highest position and that means he has to spend more money for his people that are just taking the opportunity to ride with him for free. As Chavit said, his long-time friend, Manny does not have a big income from his businesses to sustain his high spending, so his boxing promotion business would also be affected financially if he lose all his funds in the election.

I have this possibility that is in my mind now, I think Manny will fight again if he loses in the election to recover his losses.

[Johnyz]

Casimero transfer to a new promotion might be the start of some boxers following the same path.

Manny Pacquiao their chairman and founder is busy with the election in the Philippines and most likely if he will lose, he would also lose a lot of money, probably billions as he is running for the highest position and that means he has to spend more money for his people that are just taking the opportunity to ride with him for free. As Chavit said, his long-time friend, Manny does not have a big income from his businesses to sustain his high spending, so his boxing promotion business would also be affected financially if he lose all his funds in the election.

I have this possibility that is in my mind now, I think Manny will fight again if he loses in the election to recover his losses.

I also have that feeing Manny just retire for the sake of Politics but if he lose on this one, he will have more time now for boxing which is more possible to happen.

Anyway, its good that Donaire helps Casimero on his new promotion team and heard the news that they may have the same day fight in December. Its good that Filipinos are helping each other instead of throwing trash talks, Casimero is already settled with Butler I guess.