[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[samcrypto]

Casimero transfer to a new promotion might be the start of some boxers following the same path.

Manny Pacquiao their chairman and founder is busy with the election in the Philippines and most likely if he will lose, he would also lose a lot of money, probably billions as he is running for the highest position and that means he has to spend more money for his people that are just taking the opportunity to ride with him for free. As Chavit said, his long-time friend, Manny does not have a big income from his businesses to sustain his high spending, so his boxing promotion business would also be affected financially if he lose all his funds in the election.

I have this possibility that is in my mind now, I think Manny will fight again if he loses in the election to recover his losses.

I also have that feeing Manny just retire for the sake of Politics but if he lose on this one, he will have more time now for boxing which is more possible to happen.

Anyway, its good that Donaire helps Casimero on his new promotion team and heard the news that they may have the same day fight in December. Its good that Filipinos are helping each other instead of throwing trash talks, Casimero is already settled with Butler I guess.

Casimero and Donaire are real friends, trash talking is part of the game though it looks like a scripted brawl so they will not fight each other, this is just my thought about this.

Yes, they are scheduled to fight on December, there’s no final date on December though. With regards to Manny, he should not run as President in the first place, he knows his place and he will not win for sure.

[AicecreaME]

Casimero transfer to a new promotion might be the start of some boxers following the same path.

Manny Pacquiao their chairman and founder is busy with the election in the Philippines and most likely if he will lose, he would also lose a lot of money, probably billions as he is running for the highest position and that means he has to spend more money for his people that are just taking the opportunity to ride with him for free. As Chavit said, his long-time friend, Manny does not have a big income from his businesses to sustain his high spending, so his boxing promotion business would also be affected financially if he lose all his funds in the election.

I have this possibility that is in my mind now, I think Manny will fight again if he loses in the election to recover his losses.

I also have that feeing Manny just retire for the sake of Politics but if he lose on this one, he will have more time now for boxing which is more possible to happen.

Anyway, its good that Donaire helps Casimero on his new promotion team and heard the news that they may have the same day fight in December. Its good that Filipinos are helping each other instead of throwing trash talks, Casimero is already settled with Butler I guess.

Casimero and Donaire are real friends, trash talking is part of the game though it looks like a scripted brawl so they will not fight each other, this is just my thought about this.

Yes, they are scheduled to fight on December, there’s no final date on December though. With regards to Manny, he should not run as President in the first place, he knows his place and he will not win for sure.

They could be best friends but that doesn't mean they couldn't fight professionally. The trash talking though might be scripted to gain more viewers when their upcoming is really gonna happen, however it could be cancelled out again if they choose to since fighting someone you're close with is not really a good thing.

[South Park]

While sometimes the boxing organizations can get in the way of big fights I do not think this is the case here, there were a lot of talks about Casimero vs Inoue but since there was nothing solid the WBO stepped in and forced Casimero to fight Butler, I am sure that if evidence could be shown by Casimero or Inoue that an agreement was close to happen the WBO would have withdrawn the order and would let boxing fans watch the fight we wanted.

Same here, if both camps have that contract, the organization would not go and ask for this mandatory fight. But there's none and since Casimero is still under them, this mandatory fight against Butler has been setup. More on money making to me and also another good drama to hype Casimiro's name.
If he does wins this fight, Arum may see good money with the fans who show an interest in this fight.
For now, there's nothing more but to wait till this fight happened and see who will win. Good luck to all anyway

I don't know if they can show the proof of the contract or not, if they can, that would be good but if they are unable to do that, Casimero has to fight Butler because as he is under WBO he has to do what he is commanded to do. But I think the organization is aware of what the fans want, they surely know that we want a Casimero vs Inoue match, don't know why they are not hosting one.

You know how it works, agents like to hype up fights and they do so by creating a lot of noise on the media and then they have their fighter fight a bunch of people they know they can beat and then they point out to the great performance their fighter has been having and that is when they finally agree to a fight, I do not blame them since they are in the business to make money for themselves and for their fighters as well, but we know this plan can come crashing down if during one of those fights they lose it making all of that hype to disappear.

The organization would always have the end decision because no matter how high the hype is between possible fighters but still there are fights which are needed for them to be done after a certain fight is done.
It do sucks because if the hype is already on the roof and the excitement is there then thats the time they do make out some those kind of mandatory fights which do really kills off the hype.
It doesnt matter though as long it would really be set out in the future then thats whats important but it would really test out your patience.

But there are several problems with that approach, sometimes they take so long to fight each other that by the time the fight takes place the hype is so high and the performance above the ring so low that people do not care about watching a trilogy of fights as the first one was so disappointing, so while impossible to know with 100% of certainty it is very likely that if that were too happen they would earn less money than if they just fight each other sooner than that and gave a good fight and people were interested in the trilogy.

[Hypnosis00]

Casimero transfer to a new promotion might be the start of some boxers following the same path.

Manny Pacquiao their chairman and founder is busy with the election in the Philippines and most likely if he will lose, he would also lose a lot of money, probably billions as he is running for the highest position and that means he has to spend more money for his people that are just taking the opportunity to ride with him for free. As Chavit said, his long-time friend, Manny does not have a big income from his businesses to sustain his high spending, so his boxing promotion business would also be affected financially if he lose all his funds in the election.

I have this possibility that is in my mind now, I think Manny will fight again if he loses in the election to recover his losses.

I also have that feeing Manny just retire for the sake of Politics but if he lose on this one, he will have more time now for boxing which is more possible to happen.

Anyway, its good that Donaire helps Casimero on his new promotion team and heard the news that they may have the same day fight in December. Its good that Filipinos are helping each other instead of throwing trash talks, Casimero is already settled with Butler I guess.

Casimero and Donaire are real friends, trash talking is part of the game though it looks like a scripted brawl so they will not fight each other, this is just my thought about this.

Yes, they are scheduled to fight on December, there’s no final date on December though. With regards to Manny, he should not run as President in the first place, he knows his place and he will not win for sure.

They could be best friends but that doesn't mean they couldn't fight professionally. The trash talking though might be scripted to gain more viewers when their upcoming is really gonna happen, however it could be cancelled out again if they choose to since fighting someone you're close with is not really a good thing.

Where did this information came from that they are friends in real life? I don't actually see in the news that they hang out together or Casimero visited Donaire, I think this information is baseless, all they are doing are just business, and helping a Kabayan is not special for every Filipino. I think Donaire does not like to fight Casimero so he helped him to sign with the same promoter, that's my speculation on why Doanire's wife helped him.

[chaser15]

Casimero transfer to a new promotion might be the start of some boxers following the same path.

Manny Pacquiao their chairman and founder is busy with the election in the Philippines and most likely if he will lose, he would also lose a lot of money, probably billions as he is running for the highest position and that means he has to spend more money for his people that are just taking the opportunity to ride with him for free. As Chavit said, his long-time friend, Manny does not have a big income from his businesses to sustain his high spending, so his boxing promotion business would also be affected financially if he lose all his funds in the election.

I have this possibility that is in my mind now, I think Manny will fight again if he loses in the election to recover his losses.

I also have that feeing Manny just retire for the sake of Politics but if he lose on this one, he will have more time now for boxing which is more possible to happen.

Anyway, its good that Donaire helps Casimero on his new promotion team and heard the news that they may have the same day fight in December. Its good that Filipinos are helping each other instead of throwing trash talks, Casimero is already settled with Butler I guess.

Casimero and Donaire are real friends, trash talking is part of the game though it looks like a scripted brawl so they will not fight each other, this is just my thought about this.

Yes, they are scheduled to fight on December, there’s no final date on December though. With regards to Manny, he should not run as President in the first place, he knows his place and he will not win for sure.

They could be best friends but that doesn't mean they couldn't fight professionally. The trash talking though might be scripted to gain more viewers when their upcoming is really gonna happen, however it could be cancelled out again if they choose to since fighting someone you're close with is not really a good thing.

There's no relation between being close or as a friend, for a certain fight to be cancelled even Donaire and Casimero are friends in real life. The supposed fight of Casimero and Donaire is a unification match and that is closed from a mandatory fight since they hold 2 different belts from different boxing organization bodies. They will really meet each other no matter what since they are in the same weight class.

That fighting someone that is close to a boxer is not a good thing can't be applied in boxing.

[Silberman]

The issue here is that if he does not like the money that he is going to get out of this fight he could have easily avoided this by fighting Inoue, I am pretty sure he could have earned way more money with that fight but that is the kind of fight that could put him at risk of losing his belt, so while there was a lot of talk over the media about the fight there was nothing contractual going and the WBO is on his right to force him to fight Butler if he wants to retain his belt.

this is mandatory fight so he can't avoid this one. and unfortunately only Probellum Promotions submitted their bid costing only $105k source, neither of both boxers' promotion company submit their bid. this is why the purse split here is small. maybe they feel this one will not attract much interest from the boxing fans as they are looking forward to Inoue's match. however, casimero should treat this as a good prep for inoue or donaire, so he needs to win on this match. otherwise, the next turn of events may be different from what he is expecting.

You have it backwards the mandatory fight was proposed because the supposed fight with Inoue that was being pushed on the media by Casimero had no contractual basis, the WBO is not interfering with the realization of that fight, if there was something that Casimero could have shown that demonstrated the fight was about to be arranged the WBO would have let him fight Inoue, so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

[mirakal]

...so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

No one is at fault here, Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, he is willing to fight anyone but it's just unfortunate that the fighters he challenged did not accept his challenge on paper, they just respond that the fight will happen but they did not sign any contract.

[goinmerry]

...so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

No one is at fault here, Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, he is willing to fight anyone but it's just unfortunate that the fighters he challenged did not accept his challenge on paper, they just respond that the fight will happen but they did not sign any contract.

Like who are these fighters that he challenged but did not accept? Naoya Inoue? It was just a plan and no progress. I doubt his camp also starts to organize it until WBO now finally mandate another fight for Casimero as there's no progress at both camp.

Still a good match whatever the purse is. Casimero just needs to win on his every match and climb up ranks to be able to set fight to those boxers in high rankings.

[Jating]

...so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

No one is at fault here, Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, he is willing to fight anyone but it's just unfortunate that the fighters he challenged did not accept his challenge on paper, they just respond that the fight will happen but they did not sign any contract.

I agree, and if didn't accept it, then he will be strip of the belt. And if you are not a champion anymore, then offers might not come because you have to work your way up again.

So even if the money is small, Casimero will have to accept and agree with the fight because it is the mandatory defense of his belt. Just baby and small steps though, if he wins then obviously the biggest pay check against Inoue is waiting for him.

[mirakal]

...so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

No one is at fault here, Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, he is willing to fight anyone but it's just unfortunate that the fighters he challenged did not accept his challenge on paper, they just respond that the fight will happen but they did not sign any contract.

I agree, and if didn't accept it, then he will be strip of the belt. And if you are not a champion anymore, then offers might not come because you have to work your way up again.

So even if the money is small, Casimero will have to accept and agree with the fight because it is the mandatory defense of his belt. Just baby and small steps though, if he wins then obviously the biggest pay check against Inoue is waiting for him.

If not because of this sudden announcement, we might already see an Inoue vs Casimero fight by the end of the year. Inoue's camp is very open to the possibility because they were constantly challenged by a champion, and they have no choice but to answer the call. If Casimero wins this, the next fight will be the biggest fight of his career.

[chaser15]

...so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

No one is at fault here, Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, he is willing to fight anyone but it's just unfortunate that the fighters he challenged did not accept his challenge on paper, they just respond that the fight will happen but they did not sign any contract.

I agree, and if didn't accept it, then he will be strip of the belt. And if you are not a champion anymore, then offers might not come because you have to work your way up again.

So even if the money is small, Casimero will have to accept and agree with the fight because it is the mandatory defense of his belt. Just baby and small steps though, if he wins then obviously the biggest pay check against Inoue is waiting for him.

If not because of this sudden announcement, we might already see an Inoue vs Casimero fight by the end of the year. Inoue's camp is very open to the possibility because they were constantly challenged by a champion, and they have no choice but to answer the call. If Casimero wins this, the next fight will be the biggest fight of his career.

And Casimero already make a deal with Inoue but got canceled. It means the fight will happen no matter what in the future. And more chances for that to happen if Casimero will just to make sure winnings against any boxer that he will be assigned to take on.

The interest of Inoue might be gone if Casimero will lose on his next fight. That's what Casimero should need to worked on.

[Fredomago]

And Casimero already make a deal with Inoue but got canceled. It means the fight will happen no matter what in the future. And more chances for that to happen if Casimero will just to make sure winnings against any boxer that he will be assigned to take on.

The interest of Inoue might be gone if Casimero will lose on his next fight. That's what Casimero should need to worked on.

If he wanted to bring more fans on the table and have that chance to fight against Inoue, he needs to keep winning. The more wins under his belt the more big fights to offer for him, we should also consider that Donaire is now willing to take him if they both win their mandatory fight and Inoue's camp still unable to sign the deal between them, we might see two Pinoy champ to fight next year.

Whoever his next opponent, he needs to continue winning. More winning means more money to his bank account. He should focus on winning for now and let this issue with the money passed, he can make more as long as he can prove that he can deliver those words that come out of his mouth.

[Hamphser]

...so if he is upset about the small amount of money he can earn out of this fight then this is entirely his fault.

No one is at fault here, Casimero is just doing his job as a boxer, he is willing to fight anyone but it's just unfortunate that the fighters he challenged did not accept his challenge on paper, they just respond that the fight will happen but they did not sign any contract.

I agree, and if didn't accept it, then he will be strip of the belt. And if you are not a champion anymore, then offers might not come because you have to work your way up again.

So even if the money is small, Casimero will have to accept and agree with the fight because it is the mandatory defense of his belt. Just baby and small steps though, if he wins then obviously the biggest pay check against Inoue is waiting for him.

If not because of this sudden announcement, we might already see an Inoue vs Casimero fight by the end of the year. Inoue's camp is very open to the possibility because they were constantly challenged by a champion, and they have no choice but to answer the call. If Casimero wins this, the next fight will be the biggest fight of his career.

And Casimero already make a deal with Inoue but got canceled. It means the fight will happen no matter what in the future. And more chances for that to happen if Casimero will just to make sure winnings against any boxer that he will be assigned to take on.

The interest of Inoue might be gone if Casimero will lose on his next fight. That's what Casimero should need to worked on.

If Casimero would lost up some fight then its likely that on the thing you had said would be true on where losing its interest in the side of Inoue.He should really prove out that he would be a worthy opponent to

fight for and thats why its really important that these mandatory fights would really be having a winning outcome so that he would able to retain that interest.
For now the best thing to be done is to win up those fights until he reached out and able to settle and arrange and make some finalization against Inoue.

[blockman]

The interest of Inoue might be gone if Casimero will lose on his next fight. That's what Casimero should need to worked on.

This is possible but if the feud between the two boxers is still there and Inoue is honoring it then there's no need for Casimero to be worried about whether he lose or win against Butler. I think that there's no problem as long as after this match, they're going for their delayed and postponed fight. And for the meantime while there's an order from WBO that Casimero can't reject then it's up to Inoue if he's going still for their delayed feud inside the ring.

[Natalim]

The interest of Inoue might be gone if Casimero will lose on his next fight. That's what Casimero should need to worked on.

This is possible but if the feud between the two boxers is still there and Inoue is honoring it then there's no need for Casimero to be worried about whether he lose or win against Butler. I think that there's no problem as long as after this match, they're going for their delayed and postponed fight. And for the meantime while there's an order from WBO that Casimero can't reject then it's up to Inoue if he's going still for their delayed feud inside the ring.

Inoue is a superstar, he would only fight champions so they will make big money in a fight, if Casimero loss against Butler, then he has no business challenging Inoue as he cannot even beat his mandatory challenger who is not a champion, so no excuses for him, he has to win or no Inoue at all.

[stomachgrowls]

The interest of Inoue might be gone if Casimero will lose on his next fight. That's what Casimero should need to worked on.

This is possible but if the feud between the two boxers is still there and Inoue is honoring it then there's no need for Casimero to be worried about whether he lose or win against Butler. I think that there's no problem as long as after this match, they're going for their delayed and postponed fight. And for the meantime while there's an order from WBO that Casimero can't reject then it's up to Inoue if he's going still for their delayed feud inside the ring.

Inoue is a superstar, he would only fight champions so they will make big money in a fight, if Casimero loss against Butler, then he has no business challenging Inoue as he cannot even beat his mandatory challenger who is not a champion, so no excuses for him, he has to win or no Inoue at all.

He must do such thing because if he would fail up then just like what you mentioned that Inoue's interest might be lost at all and he would failed up on beating him if he cant beat out the crap of this

current mandatory fight.We shouldnt rush up though because Casimero is really having that kind of mindset or thinking as of this moment that it would be useless if he would lose this time.
He would really be getting more confidence and of course he could really show off that he would be a worthy opponent of Inoue if ever he do able to prove this one once more.

[bL4nkcode]

Inoue is a superstar, he would only fight champions so they will make big money in a fight,

His previous fight wasn't a champion but a challenger so it's still possible that he will fight casimero or anyone who wants to challenge him. But it would be better for both camp and for the fans if the match is a unification bout, of course, it will be a huge payout for them as well.

[tippytoes]

Inoue is a superstar, he would only fight champions so they will make big money in a fight,

His previous fight wasn't a champion but a challenger so it's still possible that he will fight casimero or anyone who wants to challenge him. But it would be better for both camp and for the fans if the match is a unification bout, of course, it will be a huge payout for them as well.

The Inoue-Casimero possible fight has already gained some noise because of Casimero's trash talking. And Inoue is really like ready to fight him inside the ring to shut up Casimero's mouth. But it will only gain more noise if Casimero will win on this obligatory fight with Butler. So we will see what comes next after this Casimero vs Butler. I guess, we need to wait for this obligatory fight to be over.

[ultrloa]

Inoue is a superstar, he would only fight champions so they will make big money in a fight,

His previous fight wasn't a champion but a challenger so it's still possible that he will fight casimero or anyone who wants to challenge him. But it would be better for both camp and for the fans if the match is a unification bout, of course, it will be a huge payout for them as well.

The Inoue-Casimero possible fight has already gained some noise because of Casimero's trash talking. And Inoue is really like ready to fight him inside the ring to shut up Casimero's mouth. But it will only gain more noise if Casimero will win on this obligatory fight with Butler. So we will see what comes next after this Casimero vs Butler. I guess, we need to wait for this obligatory fight to be over.

That's why he need to work hard for this fight since if he lost for sure we will not see the fight of Inoue - Casimero since for sure the camp of Inoue will belittle him for losing his past fight, But we know how strong Casimero is and for sure we can see a great fight to him so let see on how he can handle Butler since this fighter is quite good but I think Casimero has more advantage to defeat this guy.

[fortunecrypto]

That's why he need to work hard for this fight since if he lost for sure we will not see the fight of Inoue - Casimero since for sure the camp of Inoue will belittle him for losing his past fight, But we know how strong Casimero is and for sure we can see a great fight to him so let see on how he can handle Butler since this fighter is quite good but I think Casimero has more advantage to defeat this guy.

Casimero has everything to lose and really nothing to gain from this fight if he losses this fight, all his chances to get Inoue and Donaire to fight him will go out in the window and he will have to start all over again, I have seen a lot of upsets in the past months the recent one is Mikey's loss to Martin, and this is one fight that I don't want upset to happen, I still believe the Casimero - Inoue fight has the making of a great fight.