[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[Questat]

Building names so that when the time comes that Casimero will fight Inoue, the market will be big. Casimero's most fight isn't getting good revenues compared to Inoue and that might be the reason for the big to become 70/30 for example to the Filipino. If Casimero will be hyped more, he can demand a 50/50.

Casimero has been building his name too, Inoue might be a little popular but not to popular. However, I think that 70/30 is a little unfair to Casimero as he is also a champion and it would not be a big fight if Inoue would not fight a champion in his division, maybe 60/40 is more justifiable for me.

But before we talk about that, let's wait first for the result of Casimero vs Butler. If he loses it, no Inoue on his next match.

For sure no Inoue, but for sure he will win this fight.

[Hypnosis00]

But before we talk about that, let's wait first for the result of Casimero vs Butler. If he loses it, no Inoue on his next match.

For sure no Inoue, but for sure he will win this fight.

He hasn't lost a fight for years now, so let's expect that he will win against his challenger and continue to chase big fights like a fight between Inoue or a fight between Donaire, these two opponents will bring good revenue on Casimero as they are more popular than him. Everyone thinks Casimero would win, so let's just stick to that and claim he will win so Inoue has no choice but to eventually agree and arrange a fight with Casimero.

[Rufsilf]

If they are under the same promotion, then most probably we will not see them fight soon.

Bor Arum is probably the oldest promoter that is alive now, he knows how to play the game and he will make sure that his player will give him long term income, and because of that, it makes boxing boring as it puts money first before anything else instead of fighting the best boxer's then money will come next.

Unfortunately this is a very old topic and yet nothing ever changes, promoters are in it for the money and not to give fans what they want and if that means they need to have both of their fighters avoid each other so be it, even if technically a fight among them will be easy to organize due to having the same promoter, but that is not what the promoter want, they want to extract as much money as possible from their fighters and that means delaying the big fight for as long as they can.

Its natural for promoter to go after the money since in the end of the day this is still a business and they want to wide spread hype so that they can possibly maximize their profit so its up to the fighter on how they perform since if they can able to win their match for sure they can take home a bigger prize than what they get on their previous match. For sure next assignment of Casimero will be Inoue if he could take this win.

Right, it's all business for them, nothing is personal, they are here in the business of making money.
So boxers win, maybe by knock out or something, they have more boxing fans. Then promoters create around by in the boxing money.

But yeah, eventually Casimero vs Inoue will be schedule. Arum knows that, he is just waiting for the right timing so that they can make a lot of money out of it.

Ofcourse boxing industry is also a money making industry that's why lots of fighters are now seriously making their name so that they can join the big leagues, and the promoter itself is making money more than the fighters I think and there will be a secret betting in their circle worth thousands of dollars I suspect, so it's very natural to go about the money from the crowd.

Casimero vs Inoue will happen in the right time, Bob Arum will make sure that it will gonna be a big fight and a big income. He's just teasing the crowd for now so that he'll know the right timing when to make this fight, yes it's really possible that it'll happen if Casemero would win this fight with a huge bang.

[ultrloa]

If they are under the same promotion, then most probably we will not see them fight soon.

Bor Arum is probably the oldest promoter that is alive now, he knows how to play the game and he will make sure that his player will give him long term income, and because of that, it makes boxing boring as it puts money first before anything else instead of fighting the best boxer's then money will come next.

Unfortunately this is a very old topic and yet nothing ever changes, promoters are in it for the money and not to give fans what they want and if that means they need to have both of their fighters avoid each other so be it, even if technically a fight among them will be easy to organize due to having the same promoter, but that is not what the promoter want, they want to extract as much money as possible from their fighters and that means delaying the big fight for as long as they can.

Its natural for promoter to go after the money since in the end of the day this is still a business and they want to wide spread hype so that they can possibly maximize their profit so its up to the fighter on how they perform since if they can able to win their match for sure they can take home a bigger prize than what they get on their previous match. For sure next assignment of Casimero will be Inoue if he could take this win.

Right, it's all business for them, nothing is personal, they are here in the business of making money.
So boxers win, maybe by knock out or something, they have more boxing fans. Then promoters create around by in the boxing money.

But yeah, eventually Casimero vs Inoue will be schedule. Arum knows that, he is just waiting for the right timing so that they can make a lot of money out of it.

Yeah for sure they will cast that fight next after Casimero win this fight since Arum knows how big the market of this fight so for sure they can able to take huge purse if they make the fight of Casimero vs Inoue to happen. For now they are just cooking something and want people to talk about more since this fight will be correlate with Inoue since many people will be more excite to see this event will happen after Casimero is successful to win on this fight.

Building names so that when the time comes that Casimero will fight Inoue, the market will be big. Casimero's most fight isn't getting good revenues compared to Inoue and that might be the reason for the big to become 70/30 for example to the Filipino. If Casimero will be hyped more, he can demand a 50/50.

But before we talk about that, let's wait first for the result of Casimero vs Butler. If he loses it, no Inoue on his next match.

Nope eventhough Casimero will be hype still he cannot demand 50/50 share knowing Inoue is more bigger fighter than him and expect him to get lower pay cuts for this fight, But I think Casimero will not care about it since for sure the one he target is the fight to happen since if he can successfully defeat Inoue on that bout for sure he will get outstanding fame and can demand more higher pay cut on his next match.

[Yaunfitda]

^^ True, there's no way that Arum will allow a 50/50 split purse between the two. Inoue is still the A-side in this fight, but it will be very interesting what will be the split though, I think a 60/40 in favour of Inoue will be good enough for Casimero. But we all know Casimero, he just wanted to secure a fight with Inoue and maybe not be interested on the money. Of course, it should be good enough for him and his team and for sure Richard Schaefer can negotiate a good deal for Casimero.

[Sanitough]

^^ True, there's no way that Arum will allow a 50/50 split purse between the two. Inoue is still the A-side in this fight, but it will be very interesting what will be the split though, I think a 60/40 in favour of Inoue will be good enough for Casimero. But we all know Casimero, he just wanted to secure a fight with Inoue and maybe not be interested on the money. Of course, it should be good enough for him and his team and for sure Richard Schaefer can negotiate a good deal for Casimero.

I doubt that he is more than interested in the money as he hasn't been getting big money from his previous fights, this fight will probably be his biggest and you know his paycheck would also increase, so he wants to win and at the same time make a lot of money. Imagine if he wins this fight and he'll be a unified champion, that would mean that he will dictate the terms in his next fight as he is sitting at the top.

[agustina2]

Building names so that when the time comes that Casimero will fight Inoue, the market will be big. Casimero's most fight isn't getting good revenues compared to Inoue and that might be the reason for the big to become 70/30 for example to the Filipino. If Casimero will be hyped more, he can demand a 50/50.

Casimero has been building his name too, Inoue might be a little popular but not to popular. However, I think that 70/30 is a little unfair to Casimero as he is also a champion and it would not be a big fight if Inoue would not fight a champion in his division, maybe 60/40 is more justifiable for me.

But before we talk about that, let's wait first for the result of Casimero vs Butler. If he loses it, no Inoue on his next match.

For sure no Inoue, but for sure he will win this fight.

That 70/30 I mentioned is just an example if Casimero's fight against Inoue is pushed next month. Rather pushed it, WBO mandates a fight and it will result in a much big paycheck if Casimero wins on the right. Building names as I mentioned/

Regarding the chance of winning, I'm with Casimero but I will not take it as an easy win. I won't say Casimero is a sure win as Butler can't be considered if he's not a competitive boxer too.

[bisdak40]

Regarding the chance of winning, I'm with Casimero but I will not take it as an easy win. I won't say Casimero is a sure win as Butler can't be considered if he's not a competitive boxer too.

I may not say that Paul Butler I not competitive but IMO, Casimero is just too much for Paul Butler. Casimero just needs to do his thing here, I mean train hard as he always does then fight night I don't think that there will be a problem in disposing of Butler.

Quadro Alas is just too focused right now as he will prove to doubters that they are wrong and for sure their team knows the consequences if their guy will be defeated by Butler.

[TravelMug]

Regarding the chance of winning, I'm with Casimero but I will not take it as an easy win. I won't say Casimero is a sure win as Butler can't be considered if he's not a competitive boxer too.

I may not say that Paul Butler I not competitive but IMO, Casimero is just too much for Paul Butler. Casimero just needs to do his thing here, I mean train hard as he always does then fight night I don't think that there will be a problem in disposing of Butler.

Good for maybe just couple of rounds, all of Casimero's opponents are very though, some are technical, some of them are brawler. But once they've taste Casimero's power in the first 1-3 rounds then it could be over.

Quadro Alas is just too focused right now as he will prove to doubters that they are wrong and for sure their team knows the consequences if their guy will be defeated by Butler.

That's only one thing I've noticed with Casimero, yeah he can be brandish and makes a lot of noise.

But he all backs it up by training very hard for every fight. So for sure he is not going to under estimate Butler.

[harizen]

^^ True, there's no way that Arum will allow a 50/50 split purse between the two. Inoue is still the A-side in this fight, but it will be very interesting what will be the split though, I think a 60/40 in favour of Inoue will be good enough for Casimero. But we all know Casimero, he just wanted to secure a fight with Inoue and maybe not be interested on the money. Of course, it should be good enough for him and his team and for sure Richard Schaefer can negotiate a good deal for Casimero.

It makes sense. To unlock a much better paycheck for Casimero's future fight, he needs to finish the business with Inoue. But prior to that, he needs to deal with Butler first. Obviously, it's hard to think that Inoue vs Casimero will be a 50/50 fight. Inoue's camp won't allow that to happen because of Japan's monster current status.

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

[Russlenat]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

[Taskford]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

It's really disrespectful on the part of Casimero knowing that he's not a simple fighter only he has so many achievements on his career and he get less for that fight, its not really fair but for the essence of  honor maybe Casimero take it since he need to do that before he can reach the fight what he want next to this fight. Hopefully on the fight of Inoue he can get decent percentage since he's a champion and he deserve to take big cuts.

[Sanitough]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

It's really disrespectful on the part of Casimero knowing that he's not a simple fighter only he has so many achievements on his career and he get less for that fight, its not really fair but for the essence of  honor maybe Casimero take it since he need to do that before he can reach the fight what he want next to this fight. Hopefully on the fight of Inoue he can get decent percentage since he's a champion and he deserve to take big cuts.

Bob Arum knows how to run his business, he always gets the best share against his opponent that's why he is so successful. He knows the value of Inoue, so he can get any fighter in front of Inoue while still making easy money, compared to Casimero where there's a chance that Inoue might lose and that cash cow of him will not anymore get bigger fights as Casimero took over the popularity.

[Taskford]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

It's really disrespectful on the part of Casimero knowing that he's not a simple fighter only he has so many achievements on his career and he get less for that fight, its not really fair but for the essence of  honor maybe Casimero take it since he need to do that before he can reach the fight what he want next to this fight. Hopefully on the fight of Inoue he can get decent percentage since he's a champion and he deserve to take big cuts.

Bob Arum knows how to run his business, he always gets the best share against his opponent that's why he is so successful. He knows the value of Inoue, so he can get any fighter in front of Inoue while still making easy money, compared to Casimero where there's a chance that Inoue might lose and that cash cow of him will not anymore get bigger fights as Casimero took over the popularity.

He's veteran on sports scene that's why expect that he's so wise on his decision making upon giving some fight and pay cuts to the fighters, but for sure 1 time lose will not really count as destruction of career so maybe Arum didn't care about that since for sure what he think for that fight is the profit what they can get since they are doing a business and not a legacy building so maybe we can expect to see this fight since the hype is strong and I believe they will grab the fight that people would love to see.

[chaser15]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

I don't think that was unfair.

If no Arum, the event won't become big. Arum's influence can boost ticket sales since he's the only promoter that capable of making the fight happen in a big event place. As I checked some details, the cancelled Inoue vs Casimero fight is supposed to happen on Mandalay Bay. Arum also has the power to choose a big opponent for Casimero. Arum is the key to why Pacquiao also got a big fight during his prime.

We should accept the fact that Inoue is much more valuable compared to Casimero. The former already destroys every contender that wants to take his belt so it's understandable that he will get the most bid.

Maybe it was unfair to us but once Casimero finally defeated Inoue, he's the one now who will have the most bid on his future matches. Pacquiao also experienced that before and just gained a big break after beating Marco Antonio Barrera.

[mirakal]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

I don't think that was unfair.

If no Arum, the event won't become big. Arum's influence can boost ticket sales since he's the only promoter that capable of making the fight happen in a big event place. As I checked some details, the cancelled Inoue vs Casimero fight is supposed to happen on Mandalay Bay. Arum also has the power to choose a big opponent for Casimero. Arum is the key to why Pacquiao also got a big fight during his prime.

We should accept the fact that Inoue is much more valuable compared to Casimero. The former already destroys every contender that wants to take his belt so it's understandable that he will get the most bid.

Maybe it was unfair to us but once Casimero finally defeated Inoue, he's the one now who will have the most bid on his future matches. Pacquiao also experienced that before and just gained a big break after beating Marco Antonio Barrera.

The word "fair" is only based on our personal judgement, but Bob Arum being the promoter knows how to run his business and he is investing his money for the fight, if the fight is unsuccessful, he will bear big losses so it's just right that he will make money. However, if Casimero's camp finds the offer unfair, then there's nothing we can do because they won't be able to sign the papers necessary to make it happen, it's a conflict for money which is the main hindrance of this fight not happening.

[agustina2]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

I don't think that was unfair.

If no Arum, the event won't become big. Arum's influence can boost ticket sales since he's the only promoter that capable of making the fight happen in a big event place. As I checked some details, the cancelled Inoue vs Casimero fight is supposed to happen on Mandalay Bay. Arum also has the power to choose a big opponent for Casimero. Arum is the key to why Pacquiao also got a big fight during his prime.

We should accept the fact that Inoue is much more valuable compared to Casimero. The former already destroys every contender that wants to take his belt so it's understandable that he will get the most bid.

Maybe it was unfair to us but once Casimero finally defeated Inoue, he's the one now who will have the most bid on his future matches. Pacquiao also experienced that before and just gained a big break after beating Marco Antonio Barrera.

The word "fair" is only based on our personal judgement, but Bob Arum being the promoter knows how to run his business and he is investing his money for the fight, if the fight is unsuccessful, he will bear big losses so it's just right that he will make money. However, if Casimero's camp finds the offer unfair, then there's nothing we can do because they won't be able to sign the papers necessary to make it happen, it's a conflict for money which is the main hindrance of this fight not happening.

I'm also with the side that Arum can't be called unfair. Arum is a big promoter and he is also spending money on the fight. If let's say Inoue will get a 70/30, that was fine because after all, Casimero is the challenger and if he won, he will be on Rank 1.

We are most PH people here that's why others called it unfair but if Casimero will fight Inoue, the latter will be the reason why the fight will be hyped and not because of Casimero. Just take it Casimero's big break once he defeats Inoue. But he needs to win first with Butler.

[Silberman]

Who has the information about their split before their supposed fight was cancelled? As we all know, they have a scheduled fight last year, April 26, 2020, but due to the effect of the pandemic, that was permanently cancelled.

I did some research regarding your question but I didn't find the exact answer, but instead this article.

John Riel Casimero might need to take reduced purse to fight Naoya Inoue, says Bob Arum

Can you believe that? Arum still wants to reduce the purse of Casimero just to make the fight happen, I think they like to rob Casimero and disrespect his status being a champion. I'm sure the purse was not 50/50 on the cancelled fight and after it was cancelled, Bob talks about reducing Casimero's purse, so I'm guessing maybe it will be 70/30 which I don't think is fair.

I don't think that was unfair.

If no Arum, the event won't become big. Arum's influence can boost ticket sales since he's the only promoter that capable of making the fight happen in a big event place. As I checked some details, the cancelled Inoue vs Casimero fight is supposed to happen on Mandalay Bay. Arum also has the power to choose a big opponent for Casimero. Arum is the key to why Pacquiao also got a big fight during his prime.

We should accept the fact that Inoue is much more valuable compared to Casimero. The former already destroys every contender that wants to take his belt so it's understandable that he will get the most bid.

Maybe it was unfair to us but once Casimero finally defeated Inoue, he's the one now who will have the most bid on his future matches. Pacquiao also experienced that before and just gained a big break after beating Marco Antonio Barrera.

The word "fair" is only based on our personal judgement, but Bob Arum being the promoter knows how to run his business and he is investing his money for the fight, if the fight is unsuccessful, he will bear big losses so it's just right that he will make money. However, if Casimero's camp finds the offer unfair, then there's nothing we can do because they won't be able to sign the papers necessary to make it happen, it's a conflict for money which is the main hindrance of this fight not happening.

Basically this, as much as I dislike promoters due to the fact they delay and some times are the main obstacles for the fights we want to see, they know their business way better than we do, if Arum needs a bigger share of the purse for him and his fighters but he can make the fight bigger with his promotion then that 30% for Casimero can become higher than the 50% as he uses his influence to hype the fight, and if the purse is too small for him then he will reduce his investment in the fight in order to become profitable which will reduce the profits for both fighters.

[Vaculin]

Basically this, as much as I dislike promoters due to the fact they delay and some times are the main obstacles for the fights we want to see, they know their business way better than we do, if Arum needs a bigger share of the purse for him and his fighters but he can make the fight bigger with his promotion then that 30% for Casimero can become higher than the 50% as he uses his influence to hype the fight, and if the purse is too small for him then he will reduce his investment in the fight in order to become profitable which will reduce the profits for both fighters.

Only Casimero's camp could answer that, if the fight will be realized then that means they agreed with the sharing, the deal is close and they will start training. 30% might be small if we look at the percentage only without analyzing its amount, so what if the fight will generate a lot of money and 30% would result to a serious money, I think Casimero's camp would still be happy with what, and will be happier once he wins the fight.

[Lanatsa]

Basically this, as much as I dislike promoters due to the fact they delay and some times are the main obstacles for the fights we want to see, they know their business way better than we do, if Arum needs a bigger share of the purse for him and his fighters but he can make the fight bigger with his promotion then that 30% for Casimero can become higher than the 50% as he uses his influence to hype the fight, and if the purse is too small for him then he will reduce his investment in the fight in order to become profitable which will reduce the profits for both fighters.

Only Casimero's camp could answer that, if the fight will be realized then that means they agreed with the sharing, the deal is close and they will start training. 30% might be small if we look at the percentage only without analyzing its amount, so what if the fight will generate a lot of money and 30% would result to a serious money, I think Casimero's camp would still be happy with what, and will be happier once he wins the fight.

Not all boxers or management would  really be aiming for the money because some would come after with the  Glory and fame that they could possibly get if they would really continue to have dominating fights and winning streaks.

Since they do on what comes next when they do able to established out themselves on this particular state.30% share is already considerable and its true
that it will vary on the amount.

Boxing turns out to be a business but it isn't really talking about share percentages and more.