[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[Fredomago]

I am really hoping for the same as this is the fight we wanted to see happening and because of the delays the WBO ordered Casimero to fight Butler,

Most if not all are really wanting to see this match, both are still young and still at their prime, it's best to settle now who's really the best fighter in thier division. Both are willing to fight one another it's just the promoters who are still not doing the talk.

however it is not going to be an easy fight and we know that once the fight begins anything can happen and a huge upset could be on the cards if Casimero does not prepare properly against an opponent he is convinced he can beat,

We don't know that but very possible to happen, Casimero is very eager in beating him, If Inoue relaxed while they are fighting

the chance that Casimero will take him out.

in any case I still think Inoue vs Casimero will happen even in that scenario, but if it happens as an unification fight the hype will be huge and it will be even more exciting just by that factor alone.

The two names can create huge noise, fans who hates and love Casimero plus those who follows the journey of Inoue, this fight will gain more attentions and support.

[TravelMug]

At least to me Inoue seems to be determined to prove that he is above all the fighters on his division, so even if Casimero lost to Butler we could see them fighting above the ring, I have my doubts it would be soon as Inoue would prefer to fight Butler in that scenario to get an unification fight, but after that was done I think both fighters will look for a way to get above the ring together so they can give the fans the fight we have been waiting for some time.

Right, every boxer really wanted to proved they are the best in their division, by becoming the champion and then fighting the other champions an challenger and sweeping that division. So even if Casimero lost, Inoue will have to fight him eventually. I do hope though that there will be no surprises. Casimero win this fight then it will be Casimero vs Inoue next. And that is what fans are waiting to see next year, and it's going to be huge for this division.

I am really hoping for the same as this is the fight we wanted to see happening and because of the delays the WBO ordered Casimero to fight Butler, however it is not going to be an easy fight and we know that once the fight begins anything can happen and a huge upset could be on the cards if Casimero does not prepare properly against an opponent he is convinced he can beat, in any case I still think Inoue vs Casimero will happen even in that scenario, but if it happens as an unification fight the hype will be huge and it will be even more exciting just by that factor alone.

I don't think it has something to do with that, WBO really had to ordered the fight between Casimero and Butler. And even if Casimero vs Inoue is already book by that time, they have to go to WBO and ask permission and pay the step aside money.

And I think that's the biggest concern because no one is willing to pay that one. So the fight between Inoue and Casimero didn't materialised.

[freedomgo]

At least to me Inoue seems to be determined to prove that he is above all the fighters on his division, so even if Casimero lost to Butler we could see them fighting above the ring, I have my doubts it would be soon as Inoue would prefer to fight Butler in that scenario to get an unification fight, but after that was done I think both fighters will look for a way to get above the ring together so they can give the fans the fight we have been waiting for some time.

Right, every boxer really wanted to proved they are the best in their division, by becoming the champion and then fighting the other champions an challenger and sweeping that division. So even if Casimero lost, Inoue will have to fight him eventually. I do hope though that there will be no surprises. Casimero win this fight then it will be Casimero vs Inoue next. And that is what fans are waiting to see next year, and it's going to be huge for this division.

I am really hoping for the same as this is the fight we wanted to see happening and because of the delays the WBO ordered Casimero to fight Butler, however it is not going to be an easy fight and we know that once the fight begins anything can happen and a huge upset could be on the cards if Casimero does not prepare properly against an opponent he is convinced he can beat, in any case I still think Inoue vs Casimero will happen even in that scenario, but if it happens as an unification fight the hype will be huge and it will be even more exciting just by that factor alone.

I don't think it has something to do with that, WBO really had to ordered the fight between Casimero and Butler. And even if Casimero vs Inoue is already book by that time, they have to go to WBO and ask permission and pay the step aside money.

And I think that's the biggest concern because no one is willing to pay that one. So the fight between Inoue and Casimero didn't materialised.

I don't think that's the reason, Casimero vs Inoue is a big fight, they can pay WBO if that is necessary for their fight to be realized.

I feel the problem is on the side of Inoue because Casimero has been very vocal and he is continuously challenging to book a fight with him, but nothing happens and for sure that is because of Bob Arum's influence to not make the fight possible for now because he is not done with Inoue yet as his cash cow.

[agustina2]

I don't think that's the reason, Casimero vs Inoue is a big fight, they can pay WBO if that is necessary for their fight to be realized.

I feel the problem is on the side of Inoue because Casimero has been very vocal and he is continuously challenging to book a fight with him, but nothing happens and for sure that is because of Bob Arum's influence to not make the fight possible for now because he is not done with Inoue yet as his cash cow.

A big fight maybe before the pandemic. It's hard to organize a fight today where promoters will earn the same average before the pandemic. It's a waste if the Inoue match to anyone will end up like that. Bob Arum is a genius as a businessman. Do you afford to spend much organizing a fight where in return, you can't expect a good return? How can a promoter continue to arrange a big fight if no big cash will flow in the system? That's the thing that others understand and will just say Arum is the only one benefiting from it. It's contrary, without Arum, some boxers under him would not end up on success.

If you think Arum is milking some cash to Inoue then you are also saying that Inoue and his camp is an idiot not to realize it.

[Silberman]

I don't think it has something to do with that, WBO really had to ordered the fight between Casimero and Butler. And even if Casimero vs Inoue is already book by that time, they have to go to WBO and ask permission and pay the step aside money.

And I think that's the biggest concern because no one is willing to pay that one. So the fight between Inoue and Casimero didn't materialised.

The WBO ordered Casimero to fight Butler because there was no contractual evidence that a match between Inoue and Casimero was going to take place, if they could present evidence this was the case then the order would not have come, and if it did, then as you stated they could always pay some money to Butler to step aside, I think it is possible that Inoue and Casimero despite their eagerness to fight each other are delaying this until they beat any other contender on the division, this way they make more money while at the same time they hype the fight.

[freedomgo]

I don't think that's the reason, Casimero vs Inoue is a big fight, they can pay WBO if that is necessary for their fight to be realized.

I feel the problem is on the side of Inoue because Casimero has been very vocal and he is continuously challenging to book a fight with him, but nothing happens and for sure that is because of Bob Arum's influence to not make the fight possible for now because he is not done with Inoue yet as his cash cow.

A big fight maybe before the pandemic. It's hard to organize a fight today where promoters will earn the same average before the pandemic. It's a waste if the Inoue match to anyone will end up like that. Bob Arum is a genius as a businessman. Do you afford to spend much organizing a fight where in return, you can't expect a good return? How can a promoter continue to arrange a big fight if no big cash will flow in the system? That's the thing that others understand and will just say Arum is the only one benefiting from it. It's contrary, without Arum, some boxers under him would not end up on success.

If you think Arum is milking some cash to Inoue then you are also saying that Inoue and his camp is an idiot not to realize it.

No, we've seen a lot of big fights lately, so for sure there's already money at this time since we also see a venue full of people already, it looks like we are back to the normal days before the pandemic. Bob Arum is smart, but not giving a big fight to his fighters is not good, look what happen to Crawford, he does not have big fights with Top Rank so after his fight with Porter (which he won), he did not renew the contract with Bob anymore, some with other fighters in the past.

[Mahanton]

I don't think that's the reason, Casimero vs Inoue is a big fight, they can pay WBO if that is necessary for their fight to be realized.

I feel the problem is on the side of Inoue because Casimero has been very vocal and he is continuously challenging to book a fight with him, but nothing happens and for sure that is because of Bob Arum's influence to not make the fight possible for now because he is not done with Inoue yet as his cash cow.

A big fight maybe before the pandemic. It's hard to organize a fight today where promoters will earn the same average before the pandemic. It's a waste if the Inoue match to anyone will end up like that. Bob Arum is a genius as a businessman. Do you afford to spend much organizing a fight where in return, you can't expect a good return? How can a promoter continue to arrange a big fight if no big cash will flow in the system? That's the thing that others understand and will just say Arum is the only one benefiting from it. It's contrary, without Arum, some boxers under him would not end up on success.

If you think Arum is milking some cash to Inoue then you are also saying that Inoue and his camp is an idiot not to realize it.

No, we've seen a lot of big fights lately, so for sure there's already money at this time since we also see a venue full of people already, it looks like we are back to the normal days before the pandemic. Bob Arum is smart, but not giving a big fight to his fighters is not good, look what happen to Crawford, he does not have big fights with Top Rank so after his fight with Porter (which he won), he did not renew the contract with Bob anymore, some with other fighters in the past.

Dont know on whats the reason behind of those decisions but pretty sure that they wont really be that dumb on making some action which they do know that they could still benefit out when it comes to revenue.
It is really true that we are slowly coming back to normal days on where we arent already that much scared about this pandemic situation and thats been proved out with current sports now
which you could already see some audience around and for sure we would really be seeing once again these fight arrangement because of pandemic its understandable that there would be some delays
and some not good match ups.

[freedomgo]

I don't think that's the reason, Casimero vs Inoue is a big fight, they can pay WBO if that is necessary for their fight to be realized.

I feel the problem is on the side of Inoue because Casimero has been very vocal and he is continuously challenging to book a fight with him, but nothing happens and for sure that is because of Bob Arum's influence to not make the fight possible for now because he is not done with Inoue yet as his cash cow.

A big fight maybe before the pandemic. It's hard to organize a fight today where promoters will earn the same average before the pandemic. It's a waste if the Inoue match to anyone will end up like that. Bob Arum is a genius as a businessman. Do you afford to spend much organizing a fight where in return, you can't expect a good return? How can a promoter continue to arrange a big fight if no big cash will flow in the system? That's the thing that others understand and will just say Arum is the only one benefiting from it. It's contrary, without Arum, some boxers under him would not end up on success.

If you think Arum is milking some cash to Inoue then you are also saying that Inoue and his camp is an idiot not to realize it.

No, we've seen a lot of big fights lately, so for sure there's already money at this time since we also see a venue full of people already, it looks like we are back to the normal days before the pandemic. Bob Arum is smart, but not giving a big fight to his fighters is not good, look what happen to Crawford, he does not have big fights with Top Rank so after his fight with Porter (which he won), he did not renew the contract with Bob anymore, some with other fighters in the past.

Dont know on whats the reason behind of those decisions but pretty sure that they wont really be that dumb on making some action which they do know that they could still benefit out when it comes to revenue.
It is really true that we are slowly coming back to normal days on where we arent already that much scared about this pandemic situation and thats been proved out with current sports now
which you could already see some audience around and for sure we would really be seeing once again these fight arrangement because of pandemic its understandable that there would be some delays
and some not good match ups.

If Casimero wins this fight, then we should expect an Inoue vs Casimero fight next year, otherwise, it will prove our speculation that Bob Arum is just trying to protect the record of Inoue who is still undefeated now.

In this article last year, Bob Arum's reason that he cannot make this fight happen is that he wants a live gate entrance which I think could happen this year or next year if he will arrange this fight, so no more excuses from him.

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2020/11/10/arum-tells-casimero-to-be-patient-on-fight-with-inoue/

“So who is going to pay for it without the [live] gates? I cannot afford that fight—Casimero and Inoue—inside the bubble, I just can’t [pay for it],” Arum, who turns 89 on December 8, told BusinessMirror in a phone interview on Tuesday from his Las Vegas home.

[Kelvinid]

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

[Yaunfitda]

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Casimero will be the favorite here for sure and it won't be very attractive odds for him ML wise. So it's really better to wait for other betting options and for sure our sports bookies are going to open a line about this fight.

Although that a highly anticipated fight in December, still if the fight are made outside of the US, there are fights that are going to watch and bet for this fight.

[TravelMug]

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Casimero will be the favorite here for sure and it won't be very attractive odds for him ML wise. So it's really better to wait for other betting options and for sure our sports bookies are going to open a line about this fight.

Although that a highly anticipated fight in December, still if the fight are made outside of the US, there are fights that are going to watch and bet for this fight.

And being the favourite, I think Casimero will have be bigger change to win, after all he is the champion and has the experience and the tools to beat a fighter like Butler. Of course, not belittling Butler, he might be a good boxer, but Casimero has power in both hands and I'm seeing that Casimero will land his patented right hand and will put Butler to sleep.

And then we speculate on the Casimero vs Inoue as we are salivating on that fight for a long time now ever since it come out prior to this fight.

[Reatim]

Casimero should remain chill and wont really that too aggressive because this do usually end up on bad results because of being careless which he must really see that probability.Most boxers do really aim for those kind of record which do slowly climbing on the top and getting recognized and Casimero is really heading on that way
but he needs to retain on what he had now because losing consecutively would really be giving out some negative impact when it comes to that.
The best thing to do is to beat out hell of a crap of those opponents that he would have along the way until he reaches Inoue.

Casimero should really learn from his mistakes before and be more focus in he court instead of being too aggressive without even thinking, if he wants to face work champion boxer he must do his best on his fight, I know the next goal is Inoue but he have to focus on this first since Butler is not an easy opponent at all.

I Guess he already learned mate, because not like in the past that he keeps displaying His attitude of Badmouthing ? now look at His camp staying iN Silence and not throwing any bad words towards Butler .

Looks like he is getting mature and mature now, and this is what he needs to become professional  boxer.

[Natalim]

Casimero should remain chill and wont really that too aggressive because this do usually end up on bad results because of being careless which he must really see that probability.Most boxers do really aim for those kind of record which do slowly climbing on the top and getting recognized and Casimero is really heading on that way
but he needs to retain on what he had now because losing consecutively would really be giving out some negative impact when it comes to that.
The best thing to do is to beat out hell of a crap of those opponents that he would have along the way until he reaches Inoue.

Casimero should really learn from his mistakes before and be more focus in he court instead of being too aggressive without even thinking, if he wants to face work champion boxer he must do his best on his fight, I know the next goal is Inoue but he have to focus on this first since Butler is not an easy opponent at all.

I Guess he already learned mate, because not like in the past that he keeps displaying His attitude of Badmouthing ? now look at His camp staying iN Silence and not throwing any bad words towards Butler .

Looks like he is getting mature and mature now, and this is what he needs to become professional  boxer.

Nah, he doesn't have to trash talk Butler because he doesn't think Butler is hard to beat. lol

Casimero would never change, he loves to trash talk popular fighters so he can steal the attention of the fans, and in this case, there's no need because this fight is not a big fight and as reported in the past, he is not happy with the purse.

[yazher]

Nah, he doesn't have to trash talk Butler because he doesn't think Butler is hard to beat. lol

Casimero would never change, he loves to trash talk popular fighters so he can steal the attention of the fans, and in this case, there's no need because this fight is not a big fight and as reported in the past, he is not happy with the purse.

I think he just needs to throw every rage he has on Butler to get the chance to choose who will he gonna fight next time. Poor Butler, he ended up caught with this one-sided fight. He needs to prove himself and give Casimero the fight he wants no matter what the result is. Casimero wants to clash early in the middle of the ring and if he won't take it seriously the fight will be just like Casimero's last fight.

[Ziskinberg]

Nah, he doesn't have to trash talk Butler because he doesn't think Butler is hard to beat. lol

Casimero would never change, he loves to trash talk popular fighters so he can steal the attention of the fans, and in this case, there's no need because this fight is not a big fight and as reported in the past, he is not happy with the purse.

I think he just needs to throw every rage he has on Butler to get the chance to choose who will he gonna fight next time. Poor Butler, he ended up caught with this one-sided fight. He needs to prove himself and give Casimero the fight he wants no matter what the result is. Casimero wants to clash early in the middle of the ring and if he won't take it seriously the fight will be just like Casimero's last fight.

Casimero if given a chance would want to end the game early, it's time for him to excite the fans again after a bad performance in his last fight against Rigo, so we should expect a KO as Butler is not a type of boxer that will box and run, he is aggressive and also looking for a KO.

[Silberman]

Casimero if given a chance would want to end the game early, it's time for him to excite the fans again after a bad performance in his last fight against Rigo, so we should expect a KO as Butler is not a type of boxer that will box and run, he is aggressive and also looking for a KO.

While what you say is true I think there is an argument to be made for Casimero to be conservative against Butler and just try to win by points without risking too much against him, after all we know that most likely a fight against Inoue is on the horizon and that is the fight that will bring a lot of money to Casimero, why risk losing this fight and take the fight exactly to the scenario in which Butler has a bigger chance of winning? Even if it does not favor the fans Casimero could be better served by keeping his distance and try to force Butler to come to him.

[carlisle1]

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Casimero will be the favorite here for sure and it won't be very attractive odds for him ML wise. So it's really better to wait for other betting options and for sure our sports bookies are going to open a line about this fight.

Although that a highly anticipated fight in December, still if the fight are made outside of the US, there are fights that are going to watch and bet for this fight.

And being the favourite, I think Casimero will have be bigger change to win, after all he is the champion and has the experience and the tools to beat a fighter like Butler. Of course, not belittling Butler, he might be a good boxer, but Casimero has power in both hands and I'm seeing that Casimero will land his patented right hand and will put Butler to sleep.

And then we speculate on the Casimero vs Inoue as we are salivating on that fight for a long time now ever since it come out prior to this fight.

If possible, he should do that. It will bring more noise to call in for Inoue's as his next opponent.

Money will talk once fans already call for this event to happen, he need to create more noise in his name internationally, from that it will be unavoidable
for these two champs to meet inside the ring as soon as possible.

Regarding to this fight against Butler, he needs to be more serious and active to make sure that the impact after this fight will

Bring more exposures to his career. Not just those trash talks, but the way he wins is very important to his name.

[Alanaz]

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Currently Casimero 31-4-0, 21 KO while Butler 33-2-0, 15 KO. Actually if you look at the statistics they are both quite strong and indeed have great potential but if you look further in fact this is clearly in Casimero's favor and it's not wrong that Casimero is the favorite to win this fight.
actually butler is a good boxer and let's not forget about him being a world champion but butler has a problem with his punches he throws too many punches which is pointless in my opinion and this is definitely going to be taken advantage of by casimero

[Questat]

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Currently Casimero 31-4-0, 21 KO while Butler 33-2-0, 15 KO. Actually if you look at the statistics they are both quite strong and indeed have great potential but if you look further in fact this is clearly in Casimero's favor and it's not wrong that Casimero is the favorite to win this fight.
actually butler is a good boxer and let's not forget about him being a world champion but butler has a problem with his punches he throws too many punches which is pointless in my opinion and this is definitely going to be taken advantage of by casimero

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

[Fredomago]

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

Casimero loves that kind of fight. If Butler will throw lots of punches, the chance he might leave himself unguarded. If that happened, Casimero will take that advantage and will attack him back. Very interesting to see both fighters to exchange punches and try if how tough their opponent was, I missed the time when the kind of Marquez-Pacquiao fight.

Both are aggressive and really giving all the best when inside the ring, not sure if this will be the same or we might see that kind
Of fight again once Inoue and Casimero match happen.