[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[Kelvinid]

@Jating, no words yet on the real score between MP Promotion and Casimero but as per Sean Gibbons' words that they are open for Casimero to go back to them, then i think Quadro Alas is not with them anymore.

Last news i've read is that Casimero has signed up with Probellum, i just don't know if this is long term or just this fight with Butler.

Yeah, that's the last thing that I've heard as well, and I was really surprised that he dump MP and Sean Gibbons to move to Probellum.

And now that we have this news that it was not totally settled with MP, maybe it will give problems for Casimero in the future. But maybe there is no communication, a simple call to Sean Gibbons might settle everything once and for all and Casimero can move on to Probellum if he wanted.

I hope everything will be fixed, Casimero is still at the peak of his career and he could not afford to lose a good promoter that will handle his future fights. He is a Filipino champion, it's just right that he should work on MP, but if his decision is to look for a better opportunity, hopefully things will not messed up.

[Yaunfitda]

@Jating, no words yet on the real score between MP Promotion and Casimero but as per Sean Gibbons' words that they are open for Casimero to go back to them, then i think Quadro Alas is not with them anymore.

Last news i've read is that Casimero has signed up with Probellum, i just don't know if this is long term or just this fight with Butler.

Yeah, that's the last thing that I've heard as well, and I was really surprised that he dump MP and Sean Gibbons to move to Probellum.

And now that we have this news that it was not totally settled with MP, maybe it will give problems for Casimero in the future. But maybe there is no communication, a simple call to Sean Gibbons might settle everything once and for all and Casimero can move on to Probellum if he wanted.

I hope everything will be fixed, Casimero is still at the peak of his career and he could not afford to lose a good promoter that will handle his future fights. He is a Filipino champion, it's just right that he should work on MP, but if his decision is to look for a better opportunity, hopefully things will not messed up.

It's just weird though, I mean Casimero for all we know has been taken care of Manny with his promotional company. What could be reason for Casimero to switch promotions to Probellum? Is there is sweet offer for him? Things like this might be a a make or break for Casimero as you have said he is on the peak of his career and hoping that Probellum will give him a better opportunity than what MP promotions could offer, money and fight wise.

[Yamifoud]

@Jating, no words yet on the real score between MP Promotion and Casimero but as per Sean Gibbons' words that they are open for Casimero to go back to them, then i think Quadro Alas is not with them anymore.

Last news i've read is that Casimero has signed up with Probellum, i just don't know if this is long term or just this fight with Butler.

Yeah, that's the last thing that I've heard as well, and I was really surprised that he dump MP and Sean Gibbons to move to Probellum.

And now that we have this news that it was not totally settled with MP, maybe it will give problems for Casimero in the future. But maybe there is no communication, a simple call to Sean Gibbons might settle everything once and for all and Casimero can move on to Probellum if he wanted.

I hope everything will be fixed, Casimero is still at the peak of his career and he could not afford to lose a good promoter that will handle his future fights. He is a Filipino champion, it's just right that he should work on MP, but if his decision is to look for a better opportunity, hopefully things will not messed up.

It's just weird though, I mean Casimero for all we know has been taken care of Manny with his promotional company. What could be reason for Casimero to switch promotions to Probellum? Is there is sweet offer for him? Things like this might be a a make or break for Casimero as you have said he is on the peak of his career and hoping that Probellum will give him a better opportunity than what MP promotions could offer, money and fight wise.

He does not disclose it, and I am sure he would not say anything bad on MP promotion but still choose to work with another promoter. That's just normal in boxing, this is business, whether it's a boxer or a promoter, they will always put their interest first, and we can only speculate on the reason for this one.

[dunfida]

^^ I think it boils down as to what Bob Arum will advise Inoue here.

If Uncle Bob says "fight Donaire first, the chances are very high since you already beat him. Let Casimero fight other boxers, and be damage before you fight him."

So this could be the likely scenario even if Casimero wins his bout against Butler.

Possibly.
It's always Arum that gets the job done and whatever he says, that's the final and these boxers have nothing to say but just to obey what does the boss says.

Promoters would be always have the final say when arranging things and its true that boxers would just simply follow or obey on what are those words do come out from his mouth.Arum would definitely find and set the fights accordingly and as long it could really give out revenue the most.Whether he do following on the hype or demand directly or would just make things to happen a little bit further or delayed.

They're the ones that are doing everything to bank the money for both fighters and that's why they have the say to just being followed and these boxers can't say a no to them.
Also, it will affect their career if they would go against to what Arum says and they won't get any match or will have a long time of wait before Arum gets on them again since it's all about being professional and business.

That's unfortunate thing on boxing since they can't say no to their promoter knowing if they do so their career will be ruined. There are series of events where arum dispose or give less priority to a fighter and we can say that they are doomed since they struggle to get a fight. So best to follow him for now and show some good fight to increase their stack then fight their desired fighters, also for sure fan votes will matter since this is still a business.

Its business in the end of the day which boxers wouldnt really be having any choice and if they would like to have progress on their career then they would really need some fight and if they do tend to oppose
their promoters or do make out some argumentation so its better to obey and follow them most of the time.

In other post above talking about framing Casimero, then i dont think so yet Butler wouldnt really be that assured that he could take Casimero
and they would really just get frustrated if fans around would see the different scenario.

[Pamadar]

He does not disclose it, and I am sure he would not say anything bad on MP promotion but still choose to work with another promoter. That's just normal in boxing, this is business, whether it's a boxer or a promoter, they will always put their interest first, and we can only speculate on the reason for this one.

Yes, because if ever Casimero talk about this one in public, general interest will spread out.

It will affect both ends. We know that Pacquiao is busy campaigning for his interest as PH president, it will affect him on this
side if ever Casimero will start bringing any smoke that will start up the fire.

While, on Casimero's side, people recognized Pacquiao as a living legend, throwing unnecessary words against him will
gain reactions from his fans and the whole boxing industry, not good for Casimero's career for sure.

[Kasabus]

He does not disclose it, and I am sure he would not say anything bad on MP promotion but still choose to work with another promoter. That's just normal in boxing, this is business, whether it's a boxer or a promoter, they will always put their interest first, and we can only speculate on the reason for this one.

Yes, because if ever Casimero talk about this one in public, general interest will spread out.

It will affect both ends. We know that Pacquiao is busy campaigning for his interest as PH president, it will affect him on this
side if ever Casimero will start bringing any smoke that will start up the fire.

While, on Casimero's side, people recognized Pacquiao as a living legend, throwing unnecessary words against him will
gain reactions from his fans and the whole boxing industry, not good for Casimero's career for sure.

AFAIK, Casimero started to gain popularity when he joined the MP promotion, so it was his stepping stone to where he is now, there's no need to say bad words about MP, he has to remain professional and just do his job as a boxer, no hurt feelings, consider what happens or will happen to be just all business.

[bisdak40]

@bisdak40. It appears Casimero’s manager did not negotiate this fight for the advantage of his fighter very skillfully. His fighter is the champion, however, they agreed to fight in Liverpool? This is head shaking. Liverpool has some of the most racist fans in the world. They will terrorize him there.

What are the odds on Butler? They might be framing Casimero to lose this fight. This might also be another overestimation on Casimero after the clownish performance versus Rigondeaux.

Yeah, it appears that way. I think that's where the problem start, when Jason Casimero (Quadro Alas' brother) started to somehow manage his brother's career. There's a misunderstanding between the Casimero brothers and Sean Gibbons that is why MP Promotion did not join the purse bid for this fight thus making Probellum the lone bidder and eventually having the rights to promote the fight.

This whole fiasco might be a blessing in disguise for Casimero because if he wins this fight, he had to only wait for the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire 2 for the unification of the four belts. His road to the unification is not that hard compared to Inoue and Donaire.

[boyptc]

He does not disclose it, and I am sure he would not say anything bad on MP promotion but still choose to work with another promoter. That's just normal in boxing, this is business, whether it's a boxer or a promoter, they will always put their interest first, and we can only speculate on the reason for this one.

Yup. The switching of promoter only have a few reasons why a boxer does that.

1. He doesn't like the management.

2. Bigger offers and pay checks.

3. The interest doesn't go with his ideals anymore.

For me, these are the few reasons why a boxer is switching his promoter. Other than that, there are other possible personal reasons why it happens unless there's a beef between the boxer and the promoter that he's gonna leave.

[Twinkledoe]

@bisdak40. It appears Casimero’s manager did not negotiate this fight for the advantage of his fighter very skillfully. His fighter is the champion, however, they agreed to fight in Liverpool? This is head shaking. Liverpool has some of the most racist fans in the world. They will terrorize him there.

What are the odds on Butler? They might be framing Casimero to lose this fight. This might also be another overestimation on Casimero after the clownish performance versus Rigondeaux.

Yeah, it appears that way. I think that's where the problem start, when Jason Casimero (Quadro Alas' brother) started to somehow manage his brother's career. There's a misunderstanding between the Casimero brothers and Sean Gibbons that is why MP Promotion did not join the purse bid for this fight thus making Probellum the lone bidder and eventually having the rights to promote the fight.

This whole fiasco might be a blessing in disguise for Casimero because if he wins this fight, he had to only wait for the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire 2 for the unification of the four belts. His road to the unification is not that hard compared to Inoue and Donaire.

I really thought Casimero is still under Pacquiao's camp as the last YT videos that I've seen was when he has in Pac's mansion in the US. Anyway, they have their reasons why they got out of MP Promotions. However, this upcoming fight is risky for Casimero as he is fighting in Butler's home. Will the judges be fair and square? About 3 months from now, so I don't think sportsbooks will list this fight early.

[harizen]

The fight is now confirmed and will be pushed. After over a month since the supposed scheduled fight between Casimero and Butler, WBO now approved the resume of the fight. As per the report, it will be on "April 23". It's good that WBO now gives an official timeline of this fight.

The first title defense of Casimero since defeating Zolani Tete will now commence.

But this time, if Casimero will unable to show up for the 2nd time and make delays, his title will be stripped officially him regardless of the reason.

[acroman08]

The fight is now confirmed and will be pushed. After over a month since the supposed scheduled fight between Casimero and Butler, WBO now approved the resume of the fight. As per the report, it will be on "April 23". It's good that WBO now gives an official timeline of this fight.

you beat me to it, I was gonna update the thread regarding this after seeing an article about the reschedule of their fight. also, the fight will be held in Liverpool, England.

But this time, if Casimero will unable to show up for the 2nd time and make delays, his title will be stripped officially him regardless of the reason.

I doubt he'll ruin his name and career by not showing up for this fight. I know there are rumors regarding him faking the illness but if the WBO confirmed the evidence he showed, I believe that he was not faking his Illness.

[bisdak40]

The first title defense of Casimero since defeating Zolani Tete will now commence.

Against Butler, i think it will be the third time Casimero will defend his title. His first defense was against Duke Micha and Rigo was the second title against since he captured that belt against Tete.

But this time, if Casimero will unable to show up for the 2nd time and make delays, his title will be stripped officially him regardless of the reason.

Yup, this is the last chance that the WBO have given to Casimero, if ever he failed to show up then it over for him.

Some say that the opponent of Casimero here is himself. If he could manage to make the weight then there is very high probability that he will win against Butler and faced the winner of Inoue vs Donaire 2 for the unification.

[Distinctin]

@Jating, no words yet on the real score between MP Promotion and Casimero but as per Sean Gibbons' words that they are open for Casimero to go back to them, then i think Quadro Alas is not with them anymore.

Last news i've read is that Casimero has signed up with Probellum, i just don't know if this is long term or just this fight with Butler.

Yeah, that's the last thing that I've heard as well, and I was really surprised that he dump MP and Sean Gibbons to move to Probellum.

And now that we have this news that it was not totally settled with MP, maybe it will give problems for Casimero in the future. But maybe there is no communication, a simple call to Sean Gibbons might settle everything once and for all and Casimero can move on to Probellum if he wanted.

I hope everything will be fixed, Casimero is still at the peak of his career and he could not afford to lose a good promoter that will handle his future fights. He is a Filipino champion, it's just right that he should work on MP, but if his decision is to look for a better opportunity, hopefully things will not messed up.

It's just weird though, I mean Casimero for all we know has been taken care of Manny with his promotional company. What could be reason for Casimero to switch promotions to Probellum? Is there is sweet offer for him? Things like this might be a a make or break for Casimero as you have said he is on the peak of his career and hoping that Probellum will give him a better opportunity than what MP promotions could offer, money and fight wise.

He does not disclose it, and I am sure he would not say anything bad on MP promotion but still choose to work with another promoter. That's just normal in boxing, this is business, whether it's a boxer or a promoter, they will always put their interest first, and we can only speculate on the reason for this one.

We can't expect to hear some reasons from the team Casimero about why he didn't renew his contracts on MP Promotions as there contract would also expire next month. Frankly, Casimero should've signed with MP Promotions because that was his best option if he really want to make his name known in this industry rather than Probellum because Butler has also signed with Probellum even before the scheduled fight and Butler is their man boy. I really hope Casimero would pick what's right for him tho!

[Sled]

I doubt he'll ruin his name and career by not showing up for this fight. I know there are rumors regarding him faking the illness but if the WBO confirmed the evidence he showed, I believe that he was not faking his Illness.

It's not fake, it's real, otherwise, he will go to jail or will lose his license. Casimero has proven not feeling well that time so he was not stripped with this belt, for the 2nd time, he is given another chance to defend his title and I'm sure he will do just find and beat his challenger.

[Russlenat]

I doubt he'll ruin his name and career by not showing up for this fight. I know there are rumors regarding him faking the illness but if the WBO confirmed the evidence he showed, I believe that he was not faking his Illness.

It's not fake, it's real, otherwise, he will go to jail or will lose his license. Casimero has proven not feeling well that time so he was not stripped with this belt, for the 2nd time, he is given another chance to defend his title and I'm sure he will do just find and beat his challenger.

Casimero is on his way making his name to be more famous in the industry and I don't actually believe that he will do that because surely Casimero himself know what would be the outcome if he suddenly decides not to show up and it's just a rumor that he's just faking his illness that's why he was hospitalized but there's some videos in the youtube that can vouch his actions.

[Jating]

I doubt he'll ruin his name and career by not showing up for this fight. I know there are rumors regarding him faking the illness but if the WBO confirmed the evidence he showed, I believe that he was not faking his Illness.

It's not fake, it's real, otherwise, he will go to jail or will lose his license. Casimero has proven not feeling well that time so he was not stripped with this belt, for the 2nd time, he is given another chance to defend his title and I'm sure he will do just find and beat his challenger.

Casimero is on his way making his name to be more famous in the industry and I don't actually believe that he will do that because surely Casimero himself know what would be the outcome if he suddenly decides not to show up and it's just a rumor that he's just faking his illness that's why he was hospitalized but there's some videos in the youtube that can vouch his actions.

If I'm not mistaken, Casimero has history of having problems making the weight.

But I think this time there will be no slippage, because he knows that once he failed to show up or missed the weight in scale he will be strip of the belt on the fight night itself. So his team should really be careful of what he eat. Although there are still months before the actual fight. They should at least manage his weight by now, as early as they can so that there will be no cramping and huge drop in weight days before the fight because it will put a lot of strain in the body.

[Sanitough]

I doubt he'll ruin his name and career by not showing up for this fight. I know there are rumors regarding him faking the illness but if the WBO confirmed the evidence he showed, I believe that he was not faking his Illness.

It's not fake, it's real, otherwise, he will go to jail or will lose his license. Casimero has proven not feeling well that time so he was not stripped with this belt, for the 2nd time, he is given another chance to defend his title and I'm sure he will do just find and beat his challenger.

Casimero is on his way making his name to be more famous in the industry and I don't actually believe that he will do that because surely Casimero himself know what would be the outcome if he suddenly decides not to show up and it's just a rumor that he's just faking his illness that's why he was hospitalized but there's some videos in the youtube that can vouch his actions.

If I'm not mistaken, Casimero has history of having problems making the weight.

But I think this time there will be no slippage, because he knows that once he failed to show up or missed the weight in scale he will be strip of the belt on the fight night itself. So his team should really be careful of what he eat. Although there are still months before the actual fight. They should at least manage his weight by now, as early as they can so that there will be no cramping and huge drop in weight days before the fight because it will put a lot of strain in the body.

As for me, I have not remembered anything that he has a problem with weight before, I think that was the first time and that was just a rumor as the reason that was recognized by the organization on his absence is the "viral gastritis". If he fakes the justification of his absence, then most likely he will not succeed defending his title once the fight will happen.

[coin-investor]

It looks like MP promotions president Sean Gibbons and Casimero are in talks to patch everything up, remember they have a falling out because of MP promotion's lack of support in Casimero's last fight,

The incident saw Casimero drifting apart from his A-team including his strength and conditioning coach Memo Heredia.

Now they are on good terms again,
 

he will be training again with Memo Heredia, the guy who got him ready for Duke Micah. He did not have a good experience in San Diego when he prepared for Butler in Dubai.”

I hope they settle everything Casimero owe a lot to his promoters and his team for giving him and conditioning him in his fight in the US

More on this article from a Philippine network GMA

MP Promotions president trying to patch things up with John Riel Casimero

[carlisle1]

Casimero is on his way making his name to be more famous in the industry and I don't actually believe that he will do that because surely Casimero himself know what would be the outcome if he suddenly decides not to show up and it's just a rumor that he's just faking his illness that's why he was hospitalized but there's some videos in the youtube that can vouch his actions.

So do I. The illness is for real and for sure Butler side also check that and confirmed from WBO, otherwise he can have the belt if Casimero

did things like this, both of them know the consequences if they will fail to show solid evidence and since WBO retains Casimero's belt only

indicated that they are convinced with those proofs that the camp provides.

Now that the fight finally will take place, I mean the resume already has the date. We will see if who between these two fighters is more

hungry to win the belt..

[acroman08]

It's not fake, it's real, otherwise, he will go to jail or will lose his license. Casimero has proven not feeling well that time so he was not stripped with this belt, for the 2nd time, he is given another chance to defend his title and I'm sure he will do just find and beat his challenger.

I know that it was not fake. I was just trying to say that if the WBO approved of the evidence he showed then we'd better believe it.

If I'm not mistaken, Casimero has history of having problems making the weight.

would you mind sharing more information about this? I haven't really followed his whole career so I might have missed news like this. also, was he unable to show on the weight in, or was he not able to achieve the required weight?