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October 01, 2021, 07:39:45 AM
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Holy smokes, we’re we able to summon the REAL Spartacus here to bitcointalk?

Yes. As a matter of fact, I have the latest versions of the docs:

ICENI Mission Statement: https://mega.nz/file/LIdixBwY#3sv5b0saEvZ6vsHpQuRBMCc84-08uvIfFYdcxUtYx9U
Spartacus Letter V2: https://mega.nz/file/HZNmyRKB#xF15FrsAEZkwBPi4tdUP5toBBqeRHDJJAHzZt6Hg_Qg
Spartacus Letter URLs: https://mega.nz/file/HIdCxJoL#ru6yOS3Fap9rBdcdR-Twxwfm0tX8-44TN4ztoYpC5yc
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If that really is you, or your team, well done on the material and you have my thanks.  Just in case it is true I through some 'merit points' you way although they are basically a sick joke on Thermos who was probably just trying to do somethings decent only to have the 'cycling club' guys deface it and have a laugh at his simpleness.

The main reason I find it credible that 'spartacus' might show up on a crypto-currency forum is that the doc weaves in monetary issues which are almost certainly a big factor in the scamdemic.  Probably it's more fair to say that the scamdemic is a side-show and side-effect of broader monetary issues.  Whoever wrote the document seemed keenly aware of this dynamic.


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Talk about cherry picked data...
If my data are cherry picked, then where are all the data showing that vaccines don't work?



Most people who claim that COVID-19 is "just a flu" do not understand the disease even remotely and have made no effort to study the underlying pathophysiology. Hyperinflammatory COVID-19 that puts people in the ICU is basically sepsis. It has been shown that sepsis can be treated with antioxidants, like intravenous Vitamin C (see the MATH+ protocol for COVID-19, as well as papers regarding the repurposed drugs - fluvoxamine, budesonide, famotidine, and so on - and their antioxidant activity).
The MATH+ protocol is written by a scan organization, provides no data to support their recommendations, and is headed by individuals with vested interests in the fake treatments they recommend. Looking at the treatments they and you are suggesting:

Vitamin C:
There are no controlled trials that have definitively demonstrated a clinical benefit for vitamin C in critically ill patients with COVID-19, and the available observational data are inconclusive.

Fluvoxamine:
No evidence. Biggest ongoing trial to date (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04668950) has just reported "No treatment effect" on early results.

Famotidine:
We found no evidence of a reduced risk of COVID-19 outcomes among hospitalized COVID-19 patients who used famotidine compared with those who did not or compared with PPI or hydroxychloroquine users.

Budesonide does have some evidence, but it is inferior to IV dexamethasone which we have been using for all our inpatients for months.

The links in your original letter consider these drugs in the context of rodent peptic ulcers, among other things. Hardly applicable to humans with COVID.



COVID-19 patients have blood that is chemically incapable of transporting oxygen due to a buildup of hypochlorous acid that is stripping iron out of their heme and competing for O2 binding sites. What this means is that they will suffer from "silent" hypoxia, where they appear to be breathing just fine, but are suddenly turning blue in the face as their red blood cells chemically refuse to carry O2.

This has been directly observed in COVID-19 patients.

Pumping O2 into the lungs does not make RBCs chemically incapable of carrying O2 somehow magically capable of carrying it. All it does is produce more ROS injury.
There's some truth in this, but not to degree you state. If there was enough hypochlorous acid to destroy hemoglobin to such a degree, why do we not see a severe hyperchloremic acidosis? Why do we not see buffer systems being completely overwhelmed? Why do we not see profound anemia due to hemoglobin destruction? Why does intubation and proning make the SpO2 go from 70% to 95%? Why does it make the PaO2 go from 60 mm Hg to 120 mm Hg?

Trying to claim that intubation and ventilation is actively killing people is just plain incorrect.



The majority of clinical trials of antivirals (any antivirals, not just Ivermectin) enroll people who have no virus left in their bodies.
OK, so show me the randomized control trials which show ivermectin is an effective prophylactic. There is currently no evidence for this either:
Owing to very low certainty of evidence, the effect of ivermectin, compared with standard care, in reducing the risk of suspected, probable, or laboratory confirmed infection remains very uncertain; the certainty of evidence was rated down because of serious risk of bias and very serious imprecision.

I'm happy consider any treatment provided there is some evidence it works. You have failed to provide that evidence.



Many of the concerns raised about the vaccine have been corroborated (in far greater detail) by Stephanie Seneff:

https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF
An article written by a computer scientist and a practitioner of "energy medicine", published in a fake journal which is not listed in PubMed, has no publisher, has literally zero impact factor, which is ran by a young Earth creationist and a lawyer who sues vaccine companies on behalf of "victims". And even then, they still state "there are no studies demonstrating definitively that this is happening". Roll Eyes

Come on. You seem smart enough to realize just how disingenuous and dishonest something like this is.

And the rest of your links go the same way as this one, and the same way as your original letter - off the deep end of conspiracy theories with absolutely no supporting evidence or facts.
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October 01, 2021, 10:58:01 AM
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Interesting how o_i_l_e_o now all of a sudden has all the respect for the guy and is, however lamely, trying to address actual points rather than just spewing the random insults which work well with the personna's core groupies.

It's almost like a higher pay-grade someone in the next cube who can actually do 'science' with a little bit more of a credible facade took over the reigns of the Oileo account for a while.  More support for the hypothesis that there is a 'there there' to a lot of the stuff in the Spartacus docs and the social media influencer troll-farm hive insects are assigned to these part of the terrain are a bit nervous about it.


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Interesting how o_i_l_e_o now all of a sudden has all the respect for the guy and is, however lamely, trying to address actual points rather than just spewing the random insults which work well with the personna's core groupies.

It's almost like a higher pay-grade someone in the next cube who can actually do 'science' with a little bit more of a credible facade took over the reigns of the Oileo account for a while.  More support for the hypothesis that there is a 'there there' to a lot of the stuff in the Spartacus docs and the social media influencer troll-farm hive insects are assigned to these part of the terrain are a bit nervous about it.

That's your problem if you still read these crap. I don't think there are many people who made up their mind about the vaccine and still read the other side's arguments. To me they don't even exist.

You missed one essential sentence in our chieftain's second post.

They are panicking right now.

That's why they all gathered here and upping their game.

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I've lost track of how many times I've asked you for links to evidence which you are yet to provide, which proves you are not actually interested in finding the truth but rather just trying to win an argument. This individual(s) has at least attempted to back up their statements, even if the evidence they present is inconclusive or incorrect.

If you try to discuss things intelligently, then you'll get intelligent discussion in return, even if what you are saying is factually incorrect. If you do nothing but throw out petty insults like you do (and have just don't again, while again ignoring all the evidence I've presented), then there is no point responding with intelligent discussion, since as you have proven you have no interest in actual facts or evidence.
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Talk about cherry picked data...
If my data are cherry picked, then where are all the data showing that vaccines don't work?



Most people who claim that COVID-19 is "just a flu" do not understand the disease even remotely and have made no effort to study the underlying pathophysiology. Hyperinflammatory COVID-19 that puts people in the ICU is basically sepsis. It has been shown that sepsis can be treated with antioxidants, like intravenous Vitamin C (see the MATH+ protocol for COVID-19, as well as papers regarding the repurposed drugs - fluvoxamine, budesonide, famotidine, and so on - and their antioxidant activity).
The MATH+ protocol is written by a scan organization, provides no data to support their recommendations, and is headed by individuals with vested interests in the fake treatments they recommend. Looking at the treatments they and you are suggesting:

Vitamin C:
There are no controlled trials that have definitively demonstrated a clinical benefit for vitamin C in critically ill patients with COVID-19, and the available observational data are inconclusive.

Fluvoxamine:
No evidence. Biggest ongoing trial to date (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04668950) has just reported "No treatment effect" on early results.

Famotidine:
We found no evidence of a reduced risk of COVID-19 outcomes among hospitalized COVID-19 patients who used famotidine compared with those who did not or compared with PPI or hydroxychloroquine users.

Budesonide does have some evidence, but it is inferior to IV dexamethasone which we have been using for all our inpatients for months.

The links in your original letter consider these drugs in the context of rodent peptic ulcers, among other things. Hardly applicable to humans with COVID.



COVID-19 patients have blood that is chemically incapable of transporting oxygen due to a buildup of hypochlorous acid that is stripping iron out of their heme and competing for O2 binding sites. What this means is that they will suffer from "silent" hypoxia, where they appear to be breathing just fine, but are suddenly turning blue in the face as their red blood cells chemically refuse to carry O2.

This has been directly observed in COVID-19 patients.

Pumping O2 into the lungs does not make RBCs chemically incapable of carrying O2 somehow magically capable of carrying it. All it does is produce more ROS injury.
There's some truth in this, but not to degree you state. If there was enough hypochlorous acid to destroy hemoglobin to such a degree, why do we not see a severe hyperchloremic acidosis? Why do we not see buffer systems being completely overwhelmed? Why do we not see profound anemia due to hemoglobin destruction? Why does intubation and proning make the SpO2 go from 70% to 95%? Why does it make the PaO2 go from 60 mm Hg to 120 mm Hg?

Trying to claim that intubation and ventilation is actively killing people is just plain incorrect.



The majority of clinical trials of antivirals (any antivirals, not just Ivermectin) enroll people who have no virus left in their bodies.
OK, so show me the randomized control trials which show ivermectin is an effective prophylactic. There is currently no evidence for this either:
Owing to very low certainty of evidence, the effect of ivermectin, compared with standard care, in reducing the risk of suspected, probable, or laboratory confirmed infection remains very uncertain; the certainty of evidence was rated down because of serious risk of bias and very serious imprecision.

I'm happy consider any treatment provided there is some evidence it works. You have failed to provide that evidence.



Many of the concerns raised about the vaccine have been corroborated (in far greater detail) by Stephanie Seneff:

https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF
An article written by a computer scientist and a practitioner of "energy medicine", published in a fake journal which is not listed in PubMed, has no publisher, has literally zero impact factor, which is ran by a young Earth creationist and a lawyer who sues vaccine companies on behalf of "victims". And even then, they still state "there are no studies demonstrating definitively that this is happening". Roll Eyes

Come on. You seem smart enough to realize just how disingenuous and dishonest something like this is.

And the rest of your links go the same way as this one, and the same way as your original letter - off the deep end of conspiracy theories with absolutely no supporting evidence or facts.


My data given in the other thread shows the vaccine info about effectiveness was exaggerated and I do not know the final effectiveness but the the data I gave was based on Jan 1 2021 to April 30  based on the cdc

they claimed 10,000 breakthroughs in 100,000,00 fully vaccinated people durig the time period Jan 1 2021 to April 30

I completely explained how that is a mis use of statistical data and the proper way to show breakthrough  cases Would be to follow those same 100 million vaxxed people from April 30 to Aug 30 2021

not from Jan 1  to April 2021

The reason is the 100 mill  were about 1 million on Jan 1 sp you are using a false cout since the 100 million were not fully vaccinated on Jan 1 but on April 30.

Like it of not the numbers now seem to show lots of breakthrough cases not 10k out of 100m

So while I do not say spartacus is right or wrong  I do say the cdc lied and mis used number when giving the Jan 1 to Apr 30 report.

and recently the 15 infectious disease experts voted 15 to 0 to not give booster shots to those under 65 with no health issues yet were over ruled. Both suggest something is up.

my links to follow

the statistical manipulation to "show" the vax works

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362774.msg58058288#msg58058288

this post shows the government is up to something or at least a huge weird choice made

why over rule the 15 experts?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362774.msg58051802#msg58051802

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why over rule the 15 experts?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362774.msg58051802#msg58051802

Lol, self.moderated thread with experts, i piss myself.
Scientists and experts can be found in sig.

One liar down, lots to follow https://youtu.be/QZjeBxM2nOg?t=338

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Lol, self.moderated thread with experts, i piss myself.

It's being moderated by me, so retards like you don't go shitting up-and-down the thread up, so yeah. Working as intended.

Fuck off, and choke - balls deep - on my cock.

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Shit philipma, I had not noticed, until I saw Bob’s reply.
How the fuck is the WO-gang experts at medicine? Maybe for meme’s and dildo stuff related, but that’s about it.

I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass ... and I'm all out of bubblegum.
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Shit philipma, I had not noticed, until I saw Bob’s reply.
How the fuck is the WO-gang experts at medicine? Maybe for meme’s and dildo stuff related, but that’s about it.

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nuff said.
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Shit philipma, I had not noticed, until I saw Bob’s reply.
How the fuck is the WO-gang experts at medicine? Maybe for meme’s and dildo stuff related, but that’s about it.

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why over rule the 15 experts?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362774.msg58051802#msg58051802

Lol, self.moderated thread with experts, i piss myself.
Scientists and experts can be found in sig.

One liar down, lots to follow https://youtu.be/QZjeBxM2nOg?t=338

You have a point. Self-mod threads are for pussies. One does create self-modded threads only if he/she is afraid of what people might say. I try to never comment in these threads and I am not in favor of creating them.

Why even create a thread If you don't want certain people to post certain stuff? Just have a telegram group...

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why over rule the 15 experts?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362774.msg58051802#msg58051802

Lol, self.moderated thread with experts, i piss myself.
Scientists and experts can be found in sig.

One liar down, lots to follow https://youtu.be/QZjeBxM2nOg?t=338

You have a point. Self-mod threads are for pussies. One does create self-modded threads only if he/she is afraid of what people might say. I try to never comment in these threads and I am not in favor of creating them.

Why even create a thread If you don't want certain people to certain stuff? Just have a telegram group...

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pussies

 Excuse me, ser, but do you have any self awareness?

 Like, even just a smidge?

 That thread is for the hat gang, WO regulars, and other folk that are capable of sexually pleasuring themselves by their own hand.

 Unlike you, with wrists so fucking weak, you dump all your bags in a panic, at the lowest point in 3 (?) years, and haven't shown your face in the WO thread since in shame.

 Go and sodomize yourself with a length of rusted pipe you fucking loser.

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 That thread is for the hat gang,
So why bring it here. It has nothig to do here, stay in your encavement.

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If my data are cherry picked, then where are all the data showing that vaccines don't work?

SARS-CoV-2 has non-human reservoirs and is now endemic. It will never go away. Period. It cannot be eradicated by vaccination, and anyone telling you it can be straight-up eradicated like smallpox with a high level of vaccination is lying. The current agenda of boosters will lead, inevitably, to bi-yearly shots, because the vaccine antibodies are waning within 6 months.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/waning-immunity-and-covid-19-vaccines-how-worried-should-we-be

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/08/23/lets_stop_pretending_about_the_covid-19_vaccines_791050.html

The rate of breakthrough cases is much, much higher than we are being told, because public health agencies are engaging in deliberately lax surveillance for them to make the vaccine appear more effective than it really is.

https://fee.org/articles/what-is-the-true-vaccine-breakthrough-rate-the-cdc-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-19-cases-united-states-almost-all-among-people-unvaccinated/

There is a preprint paper indicating that current SARS-CoV-2 strains are about to completely escape antibodies produced by these vaccines, and that the antibodies may even become non-neutralizing and infection-enhancing:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.22.457114v1

Shi Zhengli's own work indicates that betacoronaviruses such as SARS and MERS may have Dengue-like ADE:

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.02015-19

I tried raising the alarm on this back in February of 2020 and it went mostly ignored.

Vaccines failing due to inducing immune sensitization has a historical precedent in the recent past. Sanofi's Dengvaxia vaccine failed because it triggered enhanced disease.

https://jeffreydachmd.com/2021/08/director-of-cdc-rochelle-walensky-warns-of-ade-antibody-dependent-enhancement-from-israel-data/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8427162/

The MATH+ protocol is written by a scan organization, provides no data to support their recommendations, and is headed by individuals with vested interests in the fake treatments they recommend. Looking at the treatments they and you are suggesting:

Vitamin C:
There are no controlled trials that have definitively demonstrated a clinical benefit for vitamin C in critically ill patients with COVID-19, and the available observational data are inconclusive.

People with COVID-19 hyperinflammation are suffering from a form of sepsis.

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/clinical-care/expert-severe-covid-19-illness-viral-sepsis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34590796/

It has previously been suggested that antioxidants are useful for treating sepsis, because sepsis involves the over-activity of pro-oxidant enzymes that the body uses to fight infection.

https://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Abstract/2007/09001/Antioxidant_supplementation_in_sepsis_and_systemic.25.aspx

It is entirely possible that COVID-19 hyperinflammation is, much like Keshan disease, a disease of low antioxidant capacity (redox equilibrium issues in the body due to chronic oxidative stress, i.e., endothelial dysfunction) that can be counteracted by raising levels of antioxidant substrates, such as selenium, glutathione, et cetera.

Many people who died of COVID-19 had issues pointing towards low antioxidant capacity. Low Vitamin D, low glutathione, low selenium, and so on.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7385774/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7937041/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32463221/

This points to an inescapable conclusion; COVID-19 causes death by aggressive lipid peroxidation brought on by sepsis.

Though antioxidants seem like a logical counter to this (in South Korea, they tested the NADPH oxidase inhibitor APX-115 against the virus), there is no guarantee that they will have bioavailability to the affected cells. I'm not completely gung-ho about it; I understand that there are serious challenges involved here, and that what looks promising on paper may not always improve a patient's condition.

People are hunting for a magic bullet for COVID-19, but no such magic bullet exists. In my opinion, the best prophylaxis against COVID-19 is a balanced, micronutrient-rich diet, strenuous exercise, and maintaining a healthy BMI, because this induces physiological changes in the vasculature that make them more resilient (it raises nitric oxide levels and antioxidant capacity and reduces oxidative stress). This is reflected by evidence. COVID-19's severity is GREATLY enhanced with increasing body mass index.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1262363620300975?via%3Dihub

This isn't just a get-healthy-quick pill. It's a lifestyle change. It's also why I recommend against lockdowns, and perhaps for more aggressive distancing (as in 15+ feet) to compensate. A good, solid crosswind will blow any aerosols away, and UV from direct sunlight will degrade and destroy the virions. The greatest risk of transmission is mostly indoors, in tightly-packed rooms with stagnant air.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7673425/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8305330/

People should be outdoors, they should be jogging and biking, and they should be maintaining a high activity level. Becoming sedentary makes COVID-19 infections way, way worse. It turns the blood vessels into a buffet table for the virus.

Fluvoxamine:
No evidence. Biggest ongoing trial to date (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04668950) has just reported "No treatment effect" on early results.

That's disappointing, if true. I have been in contact with pharmacology experts who claimed anecdotal evidence for fluvoxamine improving patients' conditions, but there do have to be well-designed clinical trials to show whether or not it has any benefit. There are many plausible mechanisms by which fluvoxamine may improve a patient's condition.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8094534/

Budesonide does have some evidence, but it is inferior to IV dexamethasone which we have been using for all our inpatients for months.

Again, disappointing. Also, a little odd, given how promising it seemed before.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33844996/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8310374/

The links in your original letter consider these drugs in the context of rodent peptic ulcers, among other things. Hardly applicable to humans with COVID.

Not necessarily true. Those papers describe a mechanism. While I would never argue that rodent gastric cells are the same thing as human airway or vascular epithelial or endothelial cells, there are many features that are homogenous between different eukaryotic cell lines, and an effect demonstrated in one type of cell might also be applicable to another. It's not conclusive proof of therapeutic effect, but it does point towards a fresh avenue of study.

The problem I have is that these drugs aren't really being studied as aggressively as they should be. There should be more trials of antioxidants, not just one or two here and there. They keep pushing antivirals that don't seem to work on hyperinflammatory COVID-19, when, at the very least, antioxidants have a plausible therapeutic mechanism. You'll never know if you never look.

I don't think any one drug will treat this on its own, but perhaps a cocktail of these may provide a marginal benefit. The trouble is that hyperinflammatory COVID-19 is a real son of a bitch.

There's some truth in this, but not to degree you state. If there was enough hypochlorous acid to destroy hemoglobin to such a degree, why do we not see a severe hyperchloremic acidosis?

See the following:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7757048/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222650/

This would be a logical result of neutrophilia and NETosis in COVID-19. Let's review the papers on that for a moment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8376580/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221249262030052X

Okay, so there are lots of NETs around. More than macrophages can reasonably be expected to clean up in a reasonable time frame. So, there is going to be a lot of extracellular myeloperoxidase lying around, making hypochlorous acid from hydrogen peroxide and chloride ions.

This would, necessarily, lead to the liberation of iron and tons of Fenton reagent lying around.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33974898/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836924/

Though metabolic and respiratory alkalosis are more common, some critically-ill COVID-19 patients who died did indeed have severe acidosis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236721/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33103442/

COVID-19 causes glucose and lipid-handling issues, as well.

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1009243

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33043283/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7570435/

The metabolic shifts are rather profound.

Why do we not see profound anemia due to hemoglobin destruction?

Decreased serum hemoglobin and increased serum ferritin have been found in COVID-19:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7753740/

https://casereports.bmj.com/content/13/12/e238118

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-020-00678-5

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7267810/

Why does intubation and proning make the SpO2 go from 70% to 95%? Why does it make the PaO2 go from 60 mm Hg to 120 mm Hg?

Trying to claim that intubation and ventilation is actively killing people is just plain incorrect.

I said, in the letter, that it was a catch-22, because you need oxygen to live. Intubation does increase oxygenation, but also causes VILI-like damage and additional oxidative stress alongside that.

It's not just a blood problem. The blood-air barrier itself and gas exchange across it are also compromised due to the endothelial injury itself:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21688370.2021.1937013?journalCode=ktib20

ARDS/Acute Lung Injury involves a great deal of neutrophilia in the pulmonary vasculature and oxidative damage to the tissues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6801694/

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Overproduction of oxidants and decrease in antioxidants lead to oxidation changes and cross-linking of proteins, lipids, DNA, and carbohydrates, deterioration of cell structures and their function, increased endothelial permeability and lung oedema formation, pulmonary epithelial dysfunction with impaired sodium ion transport and fluid reabsorption from the alveoli etc. [12]. In addition to intrinsically generated oxidants derived from phagocytic cells (recruited neutrophils and residential lung macrophages) and alveolar epithelial and endothelial cells [13], additional important source of oxidants is an inhalation of high oxygen concentrations used for mechanical ventilation of patients with severe ARDS [14].

Highly concentrated oxygen, like from mechanical ventilation, makes the oxidative stress of ARDS worse. In a virus like SARS-CoV-2 that suppresses antioxidant defenses of cells, this exacerbates the lipid peroxidation.

There are heaps of evidence that this is occurring.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41420-020-00369-w

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Ferroptosis can be classified into canonical and non-canonical types to date. Canonical ferroptosis is started with the failure of glutathione peroxidase (GPX4) defense, leading to excessive lipid peroxidation and cell death18. Inactivation of GPX4 and glutathione (GSH) depletion play a central role in the induction of canonical ferroptosis18,19. Iron (II) oxidizes lipids in the Fenton reaction (hydrogen peroxide, iron and lipid) is the hallmark feature of ferroptosis, thereby generating lipid ROS, causing cell membrane damage17,18,19. GPX4 eliminates lipid ROS by consuming GSH and protects cell membrane against lipid peroxidation and ferroptosis18. Moreover, cystine/glutamate transporter (xCT) is responsible for providing cystine to produce GSH for GPX4 to function normally. Iron is an important metal in cells. But there is no efficient mechanism for excreting iron in the human body and, as a result, iron homeostasis is vulnerable to stresses.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7357498/

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Since the WHO declared COVID-19 a pandemic, a great effort has been made to understand this serious disease. Thousands of studies are being devoted to understanding its epidemiology, its molecular characteristics, its mechanisms, and the clinical evolution of this viral infection. However, little has been published on its pathogenesis and the host response mechanisms in the progress of the disease. Therefore, we propose a hypothesis based on strong scientific documentation, associating oxidative stress with changes found in patients with COVID-19, such as its participation in the amplification and perpetuation of the cytokine storm, coagulopathy, and cell hypoxia. Finally, we suggest a therapeutic strategy to reduce oxidative stress using antioxidants, NF-κB inhibitors, Nrf2 activators, and iron complexing agents. We believe that this hypothesis can guide new studies and therapeutic strategies on this topic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8106525/

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To determine NO-derived oxidants, we measured systemic levels of nitrotyrosine in the plasma from healthy controls and COVID-19 patients (Fig. 5). Nitrotyrosine levels were significantly higher among patients with COVID-19 compared to healthy controls (107.049 ± 7.907 nM vs 44.7606 ± 12.85 nM; P<0.0001; Fig. 5A). Analysis by race showed a significant increase in nitrotyrosine levels both in Caucasian COVID-19 patients (108.2 ± 13.62 nM vs 48.54 ± 16.92 nM; p = 0.01; Fig. 5B), and in African Americans COVID-19 patients (106.2 ± 10.01 nM vs 40.69 ± 22.01 nM; p = 0.006; Fig. 5C) compared to respective race matched controls.

Elevated serum nitrotyrosine = lots of peroxynitrite = lots of superoxide depleting nitric oxide = oxidative stress. It's a smoking gun.

Venting without protecting the cells from this lipid peroxidation will increase the inflammation and edema and make gas exchange across the capillaries even worse.

Treating sepsis is time-sensitive, because once lipid hydroperoxides are allowed to form, they recursively create inflammation and more lipid peroxidation in a positive feedback loop (PRRs pick up the signature of oxidatively-modified lipids, and the body starts forming autoantibodies against those lipids). Late treatments do nothing.

Early and proactive use of antioxidants, steroids, and non-invasive ventilation would likely render intubation pointless.

OK, so show me the randomized control trials which show ivermectin is an effective prophylactic. There is currently no evidence for this either:
Owing to very low certainty of evidence, the effect of ivermectin, compared with standard care, in reducing the risk of suspected, probable, or laboratory confirmed infection remains very uncertain; the certainty of evidence was rated down because of serious risk of bias and very serious imprecision.

I'm happy consider any treatment provided there is some evidence it works. You have failed to provide that evidence.

See for yourself who they enrolled for all the RCTs the media is citing as proof of the ineffectiveness of antivirals, like Oxford's completely botched RECOVERY study.

https://covexit.com/recovery-covid-19-research-blasted-for-toxic-dosage-towards-oxfordgate/

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-06-05-no-clinical-benefit-use-hydroxychloroquine-hospitalised-patients-covid-19

These studies virtually all enroll people who have COVID-19 hyperinflammation, have been symptomatic for around a week or more, and have been hospitalized. I have already explained why this is futile. The virus is gone. And I mean, it's gone. It's too late.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/963/htm

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Figure 1. Course of COVID-19 and clinical benefits of antivirals. Following an incubation period of 3–6 days, SARS-CoV-2 infection generates a broad spectrum of clinical manifestations ranging from asymptomatic infection and mild illness to severe disease with high mortality. Viral load peaks around the day of symptom onset and rapidly declines thereafter. Accordingly, antiviral drugs like remdesivir (RDV) will only be effective early in infection when the number of new cells that become infected is still high. Antibody levels increase gradually and are commonly detectable after 7–14 days. Excessive immune responses, which may be curtailed by immunosuppressive agents like corticosteroids, lead to organ damage, intensive care admission, or death. Adopted from [19].

The same complaints are echoed by the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund.

https://www.treatearly.org

Aggregations of early treatment studies do show a consistent benefit, not just for Ivermectin, but for early treatment in general.

https://ivmmeta.com

https://c19early.com

The problem is that doctors are sending patients home without treating them.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-hospitals-sending-covid-patients-home-illinois-20201211-hsjihn5h2vc5famcappyjscrsy-story.html

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Presumed-COVID-19-patients-often-sent-home-from-15385076.php

This widespread failure-to-treat is what is leading to unnecessary fatalities. Early outpatient treatment has not been tried on a large scale.

An article written by a computer scientist and a practitioner of "energy medicine", published in a fake journal which is not listed in PubMed, has no publisher, has literally zero impact factor, which is ran by a young Earth creationist and a lawyer who sues vaccine companies on behalf of "victims". And even then, they still state "there are no studies demonstrating definitively that this is happening". Roll Eyes

Come on. You seem smart enough to realize just how disingenuous and dishonest something like this is.

Very well, then. I shall go over my concerns in brief, citing my own letter (which, in turn, cites many other files).

https://mega.nz/file/HZNmyRKB#xF15FrsAEZkwBPi4tdUP5toBBqeRHDJJAHzZt6Hg_Qg

-The vaccine is not sterilizing and does not prevent transmission. The vaccinated are still contagious to others. This means that the virus no longer has any pressure to become less virulent; mutations that could be lethal to the unvaccinated may only cause a mild increase in illness in the vaccinated.

-Natural immunity from a prior infection results in antibodies to all of the virus's proteins, not just one.

-All of the current COVID-19 vaccines have undergone highly accelerated trial periods, not allowing any time for long-term side effects to appear.

-Messenger RNA vaccines, which deliver the active form of genes to cells to synthesize viral proteins and produce an antigen response that way, have never been tested in humans before. In Moderna's case, mRNA-1273 is actually their first-ever commercial product. Would you willingly put a company's first-ever product in your body?

-The production and validation of these vaccines involved fetal cell lines, which some may object to.

-The lipid nanoparticles from the mRNA vaccines have been shown to bioaccumulate all over the body, and do not stay in the shoulder.

-The PEGylated lipid nanoparticles in mRNA vaccines can occasionally trigger severe allergic reactions.

-Damaged mRNA can stall ribosomes by getting jammed in them, causing ribosome attrition and reduced protein synthesis.

-The method of making SARS-CoV-2 Spike inert, inserting prolines on the S1/S2 boundary to rigidly lock the trimers in the prefusion conformation, does not take into account any unexpected proteolysis or further processing of the Spike proteins by the body that may release the S1 subunits, allowing them to travel freely around the body and bind to things.

-SARS-CoV-2 Spike is, in itself, a pathogenic protein, capable of binding to ACE2, integrins, neuropilin-1, and bacterial LPS. It can induce autoantibody responses against healthy tissue, overactivate T-cells with a SAg region, penetrate the blood-brain barrier, and bind to heparin-binding proteins and induce amyloid aggregation and possible neurodegeneration, among many other unknown and possibly pathogenic effects.

-SARS-CoV-2 may have ADE, which means that a future strain may cause antibodies from vaccines based on the sequence of previous strains to become non-neutralizing, turning them into trojan horses that help virions infect leukocytes they would not have otherwise been able to infect.

-Messenger RNA that codes for Modified SARS-CoV-2 Spike may be integrated into the genome of cells by endogenous LINE-1 reverse transcription. There is a plausible mechanism whereby it can integrate itself into your DNA. That means that this is, in fact, potentially a gene delivery system.

Out of all of these, the most appalling thing is this:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33328624/

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We show that intravenously injected radioiodinated S1 (I-S1) readily crossed the blood-brain barrier in male mice, was taken up by brain regions and entered the parenchymal brain space.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7988450/

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The post-infection of COVID-19 includes a myriad of neurologic symptoms including neurodegeneration. Protein aggregation in brain can be considered as one of the important reasons behind the neurodegeneration. SARS-CoV-2 Spike S1 protein receptor binding domain (SARS-CoV-2 S1 RBD) binds to heparin and heparin binding proteins. Moreover, heparin binding accelerates the aggregation of the pathological amyloid proteins present in the brain. In this paper, we have shown that the SARS-CoV-2 S1 RBD binds to a number of aggregation-prone, heparin binding proteins including Aβ, α-synuclein, tau, prion, and TDP-43 RRM. These interactions suggests that the heparin-binding site on the S1 protein might assist the binding of amyloid proteins to the viral surface and thus could initiate aggregation of these proteins and finally leads to neurodegeneration in brain. The results will help us to prevent future outcomes of neurodegeneration by targeting this binding and aggregation process.

Not good. Huge red flag. As in, do not inject this shit into your body unless you've already written your will and were planning to check out in a few years anyway.

And the rest of your links go the same way as this one, and the same way as your original letter - off the deep end of conspiracy theories with absolutely no supporting evidence or facts.

You said there was no proof that mind-controlling nanoparticles existed. I showed you that not only do they exist, and not only did James Giordano give presentations about them before an entire class of stunned cadets at West Point, they are described explicitly in publicly-available materials.

Not only that, DARPA, DTRA, and vaccine researchers are intimately connected both to brain-computer interface research, and to GOF research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The degrees of separation here are minuscule. When plotted out on a node graph, they would all cluster together. David Martin and M-CAM showed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that GOF SARS strains and their features are basically patented products.

That's not a conspiracy theory. That is a RICO case the size of Mount Everest. It is also mass murder and treason.
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I will quote individual sentences or paragraphs, but I am responding to each section of your reply.

SARS-CoV-2 has non-human reservoirs and is now endemic. It will never go away. Period. It cannot be eradicated by vaccination, and anyone telling you it can be straight-up eradicated like smallpox with a high level of vaccination is lying. The current agenda of boosters will lead, inevitably, to bi-yearly shots, because the vaccine antibodies are waning within 6 months.
The vaccines can be modified to target the Delta variant. Billions of people get yearly flu shots, which are modified every year, without any adverse effects.



It has previously been suggested that antioxidants are useful for treating sepsis, because sepsis involves the over-activity of pro-oxidant enzymes that the body uses to fight infection.
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It is entirely possible that COVID-19 hyperinflammation is, much like Keshan disease, a disease of low antioxidant capacity (redox equilibrium issues in the body due to chronic oxidative stress, i.e., endothelial dysfunction) that can be counteracted by raising levels of antioxidant substrates, such as selenium, glutathione, et cetera.
This next section you have written includes a lot of speculation. Yes, we know COVID causes sepsis. Yes, we know that sepsis creates a lot of reactive oxygen species and free radicals. So we speculate that treating with antioxidants would help. But every reputable large study (as I linked to in my previous post) we have on this issue has shown no benefit with antioxidant treatments.

Obviously I agree that people should stay fit and healthy, and if you want to take a vitamin C supplement, then knock yourself out. But we have no evidence that it (or other antioxidants) are an effective treatment for critically ill patients.



It's not conclusive proof of therapeutic effect, but it does point towards a fresh avenue of study.
This section is again more speculation, but at least you are acknowledging it. As and when human studies come out which say that these treatments are effective, then I will gladly consider using them, but I'm not going to randomly experiment on people on the basis of a study based on rodent gastric cells.



I said, in the letter, that it was a catch-22, because you need oxygen to live. Intubation does increase oxygenation, but also causes VILI-like damage and additional oxidative stress alongside that.
I'm not denying the cycle of NETosis, hypochlorous acid, and heme destruction. And I'm also not denying the existence of VALI/VILI, which is well described in the literature. But you also made the following two statements:

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Make no mistake, intubation will kill people who have COVID-19.
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Pumping O2 into the lungs does not make RBCs chemically incapable of carrying O2 somehow magically capable of carrying it.

Yes this cycle happens, but not to such a degree that there is no functioning hemoglobin and that intubation and ventilation will not save the life of a critically hypoxic patient. To claim otherwise is dangerously wrong.

Early and proactive use of antioxidants, steroids, and non-invasive ventilation would likely render intubation pointless.
We do this already. Everyone who comes through the door gets dexamethasone and remdesivir pretty much immediately. If they require HFNO or NIV they also get tocilizumab. Intubation is always a last resort. You can see national treatment guidelines here: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/hospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/



These studies virtually all enroll people who have COVID-19 hyperinflammation, have been symptomatic for around a week or more, and have been hospitalized.
The meta-analysis I linked in my previous post (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n949) examined ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as both pre- and post-exposure prophylaxis, and found no evidence of efficacy for either drug.



I'm not entirely sure what points you are trying to make with your section regarding the vaccine (even ignoring your obvious conspiracy nonsense at the bottom). If you are worried about the vaccine producing the S1 subunits, then what do you think happens with an active COVID infection? If you are worried about the spike protein itself, then why would you not want to avoid the cascade of it you would get with a COVID infection, which is several orders of magnitude higher than what you would get with a vaccine? I mean, the quote that you shared even specifically says "post-infection of COVID-19 includes a myriad of neurologic symptoms including neurodegeneration". Why would you not want to avoid this by taking the vaccine?
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I don’t impose my opinion to others, so I don’t like it if they do.

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pussies

 Excuse me, ser, but do you have any self awareness?

 Like, even just a smidge?

 That thread is for the hat gang, WO regulars, and other folk that are capable of sexually pleasuring themselves by their own hand.

 Unlike you, with wrists so fucking weak, you dump all your bags in a panic, at the lowest point in 3 (?) years, and haven't shown your face in the WO thread since in shame.

 Go and sodomize yourself with a length of rusted pipe you fucking loser.

 Have fun staying poor.

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 That thread is for the hat gang,
So why bring it here. It has nothig to do here, stay in your encavement.

Is this you, mate?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362795.msg58073106#msg58073106



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