[Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ?

[tvbcof]

I am not vaccinated. It doesn't seem that it'll have any positive effect to me (lots of vaccinated people still get covid), but can have negative impact. I don't want to get experimental vaccine, such a thing should be well paid job. I don't think my country is rich enough to spend so much money for covid-restrictions and I don't want to participate on destroying life to next generation of our descendants. Our government lied too often about covid to be trusted anymore.

Shit man, are you trying to give me false hope or something?!?

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[Jet Cash]

I haven't had any vaccinations for over 60 years, and I am never ill. All of the people I know who get the 'flu have been vaccinated against it. I never get it. People seem to use vaccination as a way to continue unhealthy habit such as smoking, and the excessive consumption of refined sugar. It doesn't work. Just get up off your bums and get some exercise, and cut down on the expensive habits that are destroying your health, and shortening your lifespan.

[Cnut237]

People seem to use vaccination as a way to continue unhealthy habit such as smoking, and the excessive consumption of refined sugar. It doesn't work. Just get up off your bums and get some exercise, and cut down on the expensive habits that are destroying your health, and shortening your lifespan.

I've spent much of the afternoon disagreeing with you in various threads, but I certainly agree with this. Whilst living healthily doesn't make you invincible, neither does vaccination. Regardless of whether or not you've had the vaccine, you improve your chances, and indeed your quality of life in general, if you eat healthily, exercise regularly, don't drink/smoke etc.

If you are morbidly obese and have taken the vaccine, you are indisputably at higher risk than if you have taken the vaccine and are not morbidly obese.

[figliar0]

I am not vaccinated. It doesn't seem that it'll have any positive effect to me (lots of vaccinated people still get covid), but can have negative impact. I don't want to get experimental vaccine, such a thing should be well paid job. I don't think my country is rich enough to spend so much money for covid-restrictions and I don't want to participate on destroying life to next generation of our descendants. Our government lied too often about covid to be trusted anymore.

Shit man, are you trying to give me false hope or something?!?

I don't understand about what hope you are talking about. I just typed my reasons why I became anti-vaxxer these days...

[tvbcof]

I am not vaccinated. It doesn't seem that it'll have any positive effect to me (lots of vaccinated people still get covid), but can have negative impact. I don't want to get experimental vaccine, such a thing should be well paid job. I don't think my country is rich enough to spend so much money for covid-restrictions and I don't want to participate on destroying life to next generation of our descendants. Our government lied too often about covid to be trusted anymore.

Shit man, are you trying to give me false hope or something?!?

I don't understand about what hope you are talking about. I just typed my reasons why I became anti-vaxxer these days...

I mean I had kind of given up hope that anyone could look at the situation, recognize some of the risks, unknowns, benefits, etc, and come to what I feel to be a common sense conclusion about what is right for them.

Seems like I recall that you might be one of those persons from SE Asia.  It would be especially heartening to me if citizens of these countries are thinking logically because the political leaderships may (or may not) be able to be dragged along toward a position of sanity by the masses.  Else, they are certainly going to be fishing for IMF and World Bank money, and that translates to men with guns will ultimately make sure that all but the top elite get the jab eventually.

[OgNasty]

I try to stay away from humans as much as possible.

Well that’s just good advice inside or out of a plandemic. While it’s always nice to have time with friends, interactions with random people in society can leave some things to be desired. It’s always nice to have your faith in humanity restored by the kind act of a stranger, but more typically I find myself shaking my head and wondering how some people make it…

[LTU_btc]

Yes, I got vaccinated. No, not because of disease - I don't fear at all to get covid. During whole year without taking any precautions I didn't got covid. Though, maybe I had it without symptoms, I don't know, I haven't been tested.
Main reason why I took vaccine is because that I want to avoid restrictions. Travelling without requirements to make tests and go into isolation, or simply go into restaurant. And I think that many people took vaccine because of similar reasons, not disease. Many people had to take vaccine because they were forced to do it and didn't had other choice.

[figliar0]

I am not vaccinated. It doesn't seem that it'll have any positive effect to me (lots of vaccinated people still get covid), but can have negative impact. I don't want to get experimental vaccine, such a thing should be well paid job. I don't think my country is rich enough to spend so much money for covid-restrictions and I don't want to participate on destroying life to next generation of our descendants. Our government lied too often about covid to be trusted anymore.

Shit man, are you trying to give me false hope or something?!?

I don't understand about what hope you are talking about. I just typed my reasons why I became anti-vaxxer these days...

I mean I had kind of given up hope that anyone could look at the situation, recognize some of the risks, unknowns, benefits, etc, and come to what I feel to be a common sense conclusion about what is right for them.

Seems like I recall that you might be one of those persons from SE Asia.  It would be especially heartening to me if citizens of these countries are thinking logically because the political leaderships may (or may not) be able to be dragged along toward a position of sanity by the masses.  Else, they are certainly going to be fishing for IMF and World Bank money, and that translates to men with guns will ultimately make sure that all but the top elite get the jab eventually.

Sorry, I'm not from Asia at all, I live in Europe. But I think that it is similar everywhere. Officially the vaxx are voluntary, but government is doing everything to force people to it. There are really big money in it, so I'm not wondering... I think that in Asia it is much worse that in EU, but I am not sure... Because of my opinion I already lost my job. It is not easy these days...

Yes, I got vaccinated. No, not because of disease - I don't fear at all to get covid. During whole year without taking any precautions I didn't got covid. Though, maybe I had it without symptoms, I don't know, I haven't been tested.
Main reason why I took vaccine is because that I want to avoid restrictions. Travelling without requirements to make tests and go into isolation, or simply go into restaurant. And I think that many people took vaccine because of similar reasons, not disease. Many people had to take vaccine because they were forced to do it and didn't had other choice.

Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.

[Cnut237]

If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today.

The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

[D-law]

I'm vaccinated, it is free of charge, and is done on my own volition. I work in a lab wherein COVID samples are delivered to, and we do the testing directly to confirm whether the virus is present in the sample or not. Even if I do not work in an environment wherein we are required to get the vaccine, I'd still take the jab as the shots undergone all the necessary trials before it was rendered safe to be administered on humans by the WHO and other independent scientific organizations and bodies.

How you feeling? What's it like ?
How'd you feel two hours later taking the jab ?
So you're giving a go ahead for people to be positive and get vaccinated ?
Too much questions hope you don't mind,a whole lot down my ends scared of being vaccinated.
I'm only curious about it.

[_Miracle]

How you feeling? What's it like ?
How'd you feel two hours later taking the jab ?
So you're giving a go ahead for people to be positive and get vaccinated ?
Too much questions hope you don't mind,a whole lot down my ends scared of being vaccinated.
I'm only curious about it.

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[tvbcof]

I mean I had kind of given up hope that anyone could look at the situation, recognize some of the risks, unknowns, benefits, etc, and come to what I feel to be a common sense conclusion about what is right for them.

Seems like I recall that you might be one of those persons from SE Asia.  It would be especially heartening to me if citizens of these countries are thinking logically because the political leaderships may (or may not) be able to be dragged along toward a position of sanity by the masses.  Else, they are certainly going to be fishing for IMF and World Bank money, and that translates to men with guns will ultimately make sure that all but the top elite get the jab eventually.

Sorry, I'm not from Asia at all, I live in Europe. But I think that it is similar everywhere. Officially the vaxx are voluntary, but government is doing everything to force people to it. There are really big money in it, so I'm not wondering... I think that in Asia it is much worse that in EU, but I am not sure... Because of my opinion I already lost my job. It is not easy these days...

I really have a hard time figuring out how things vary from place to place.  Even within the neighborhoods within the city within the country which I am situated, much less the rest of the world.

Certainly there are very uniform 'instructions' being applied world-wide, and the control channels are the same as have been used to transfer instructions for such things as the 'Millennium Development Goals'.  Not a big surprise as it's clearly the same people running the plandemic at the top levels.  Just as certainly, gaining and 'understanding' of how things actually are in a locale via mainstream media content is prone to complete failure.  When I read the mainstream global media reports about my specific area, I would think that it is the worst place on earth.  In fact when I walk down to the little community store most people are not even wearing masks and certainly not 'social distancing' or any of that nonsense.

In my neighborhood the percentage of the population with any interest in getting the jab is under 10%.  Could more be forced into it?  Sure.  What that number actually would be is currently unknown and obviously depends on the force which is employed.  I'm waiting for food assistance to be granted only to the jabbed, but to date the number isn't high enough to roll out that mechanism yet.

In the country I am the normal people in the hoods and barios have very little interest in the injection and seem to not trust it.  A fair number of the upper middle classes who work for the govt (or extract enough money from it to buy such luxuries as 4-wheeled vehicles from said) really are sold on the injection and really do want to get it.  I suspect that this is a genuine difference in population dynamics in more wealthy countries where the state is not the source of wealth for most people who have some, but again, it's really hard to know.

Another factor is that (I'm pretty confident to say that) the formulation is different both for the country, and for the rural vs. the urban populations.  Based on my own local knowledge I'd give the ratio of people given the jab in the rural areas at around 1/1000 dropping dead within a week.  Older people primarily, but in the rural areas everyone knows everyone else, and very often they are blood related.  It is also the case that the country I'm in has had a long history with 'special' injections be they used for development trials or flat out population management and often with observable negative results.  Enough to where many rural people are already on alert status about the 'vitamin shots for the kiddies' well before the plandemic was touched off.

[Betwrong]

I voted yes, and I'm glad that most people on this forum got vaccinated already.

To me it's a question of trusting modern science(btw, it was the Moderna vaccine, what a funny coincidence! ). But all jokes aside, even if it was called Olderna, I would take it still. The main reason is that from all the people I know personally only poorly educated ones (more than half in my circle, unfortunately) are opposed to COVID-19 vaccinations. The higher the level of education of somebody, the more he/she supports vaccination.

[tvbcof]

I voted yes, and I'm glad that most people on this forum got vaccinated already.
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Vote was like two vaxxed to six unvaxxed when I first saw it.  Then the 'cycling club' class folks seemed to have picked up on it and hailed their 'social media influencer' friends to do damage control (and turn a little pocket change in the process.)

[figliar0]

If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today.

The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

Situation in my country. Government lied us about almost everything from last year spring. They scared people on purpose. They abused whole situation to steal public funds. They're changing rules of restrictions based upon their private interest. The restrictions had no effect and still destroying economy of whole country. This is the purpose why antivaxxers exists - the government just lost people's trust. Look at the data? Which one? The one from liers?

I know some people close to me who lives in country, where government choosed different way. They simply don't lie (much) and don't try to steal (much). In that country, the situation is different - the people trust government and trust to vaccines. In our country, we trust nobody, government is an enemy and people get jabs just because of fear.

What about mutations? How will your holy vaccine help there?

[LTU_btc]

Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.

Yeah, I understand that that government soon can start to invite people to take third shot and it's very unlikely that it will be the last one. And I'm completely not fascinated about it. But what you're offering? It's easy to tell not obey government shit, but for example without covid passport I would be required to make tests every few days in order to go to work.

The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

I think that even with vaccines, herd immunity isn't possible. It's because we have mutations like Delta and vaccines isn't that effective against it - numbers of vaxxed people getting infected isn't small.

[BADecker]

Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.

Yeah, I understand that that government soon can start to invite people to take third shot and it's very unlikely that it will be the last one. And I'm completely not fascinated about it. But what you're offering? It's easy to tell not obey government shit, but for example without covid passport I would be required to make tests every few days in order to go to work.

The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

I think that even with vaccines, herd immunity isn't possible. It's because we have mutations like Delta and vaccines isn't that effective against it - numbers of vaxxed people getting infected isn't small.

Natural herd immunity is the reason why less than 1% of the world's population ever got Covid. And it's way less than 1% when you understand that even the CDC said that 94% of the Covid dead were really from comorbidities. In fact, the vast majority getting Covid these days, are getting it from the Covid vaxxes.



EDIT: You know what comorbidities is all about, right? It's like packing a camel up with all kinds of packs full of wares, packing it so full that is almost ready to collapse under the load. Then you add a straw, the camel collapses, and you call it the straw that broke the camel's back.

You could have tossed a cigarette up on the camel, or a cup of water, or a pencil, or a marble, maybe a hair pin, or all kinds of other tiny things, and the camel would have gone down just like it did from the straw. The straw (Covid) didn't do it. The camel was simply overloaded in the first place (with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.).

[Lordhermes]

I have not been vaccinated as well,reasons is because I do not have the dreaded disease.I am not a covid patient,I know it's not only the victims that needs to be vaccinated,but the idea of getting covid Vaccination as not for once come to my mind of to be vaccinated.

So many person's have already been vaccinated reasons is because they are scared,and don't want to be victim of that disease.Most of them take it because they already have a symptom of it.

[figliar0]

Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.

Yeah, I understand that that government soon can start to invite people to take third shot and it's very unlikely that it will be the last one. And I'm completely not fascinated about it. But what you're offering? It's easy to tell not obey government shit, but for example without covid passport I would be required to make tests every few days in order to go to work.

Sorry to say, but I didn't offering anything - I am not kind of messiah or something. I've already lost my job and I still don't have solution for my own situation. It is little bit late to not obey restrictions and don't get penalties. It was going to work without sanctions last year summer - now it is much more harder to resist, thanks to one year of obedient kneeling. But without resistance, it will be much harder in future then today... There is a saying in our country: We will eat what we cooked.

[Cnut237]

Natural herd immunity is the reason why less than 1% of the world's population ever got Covid.

It's a novel virus. There is no pre-existing immunity. You get immunity by either catching it, or taking the vaccine.

And it's way less than 1% when you understand that even the CDC said that 94% of the Covid dead were really from comorbidities.

You don't understand what 'comorbidities' means. If you are questioning reason for death, simply look at excess deaths, from any reason.

In fact, the vast majority getting Covid these days, are getting it from the Covid vaxxes.

Do you have data to support this blatant untruth?

EDIT: You know what comorbidities is all about, right?

I understand, yes.

 

(Covid) didn't do it. The camel was simply overloaded in the first place (with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.).

So look at excess deaths from any reason. I've posted the data and the charts many many times. There's no need for me to do so again.