[Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ?

[Maestro75]

I have not been vaccinated and I do not intend to have it. I do not see any need for it as the government of my country is playing politics with the COVID thing and not telling citizens the truth. From how they behave it looks like the virus is not even real but a way of getting funds from international bodies. How do you trust government people like that with your life then.

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[_Miracle]

BTW... Vaccination is not a freedom issue. You are not free to stand in a public place with a gun and shoot down random passersby. Similarly, you should not be free to stand in a public place and cough potentially lethal virus onto people.

I wish everybody who is able would get vaccinated by choice however making the Covid vaccine a government mandated requirement really does bother me.
If a private business decides to implement mandates then we will be seeing how that plays out in the courts for years to come.
*side note I flew to Vegas last week and nobody asked for my vaccine passport

Requiring it for school children and equating it to the Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccines is an overreach that my governor (California) is about to take.

[tvbcof]

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BTW... Vaccination is not a freedom issue. You are not free to stand in a public place with a gun and shoot down random passersby. Similarly, you should not be free to stand in a public place and cough potentially lethal virus onto people.

You are also perfectly free to hunker down in your apartment dousing yourself with cleaning solvent if you have some irrational phobia about germs.

Nobody owes anyone else some fantasy risk-free existence, and particularly not neurotic freaks who've been driven over the edge of insanity by corp/gov propaganda because they never learned to apply simple arithmetic.

[Cnut237]

I wish everybody who is able would get vaccinated by choice however making the Covid vaccine a government mandated requirement really does bother me.

I can see that it's an imposition. But it's not a freedom issue unless the consequences of both action and inaction affect only you. With the Covid vaccine, your action of taking the vaccine may give you side effects, so affects only you, but your inaction in refusing to take it affects others, because you increase the chances of them contracting the virus. The argument against this, that everyone has been offered the vaccine, so by refusing to take it you are only increasing the risk to others who have refused... is relevant only in an idealised situation that doesn't exist in the real world. There are for example plenty of people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, and people who are too young to take it, and there is still of course cross-border travel.

My analogy of someone waving a gun around in a public place, if somewhat dramatic, is pertinent.

irrational [...] fantasy [...] driven over the edge of insanity [...] never learned to apply simple arithmetic.

If you are angry about lockdowns and other restrictions, then blame the anti-vaxxers... they are the ones preventing effective herd immunity.

corp/gov propaganda

I don't trust companies, who are motivated by profit, or members of the government, who are motivated by self-interest. But the data are clear.

[tvbcof]

irrational [...] fantasy [...] driven over the edge of insanity [...] never learned to apply simple arithmetic.

If you are angry about lockdowns and other restrictions, then blame the anti-vaxxers... they are the ones preventing effective herd immunity.

Yeah, 'herd immunity' with a therapy which doesn't keep people from becoming obtaining or spreading an infection.  That illustrates perfectly the level of understanding that the average ass-clown has when it comes to epidemiology.

The average ass-clown takes to 'blame those who we label an enemy' like a fish to water.  You've illustrated that very well too.  As Goering says: '...it works the same way in every political system and every country', and his regime certainly was proficient at motivating the peeps.

Anyway, we who have natural immunity will eventually get the 'herd' to herd immunity.   The policies of the government might stretch it out, and were probably hoped to.  It didn't really slow things down that much so the last 75% of the 'crisis' has been nearly complete fraud.  The recent 'spikes' are a thing, but are almost 100% adverse reactions to the gene therapy inject.

corp/gov propaganda

I don't trust companies, who are motivated by profit, or members of the government, who are motivated by self-interest. But the data are clear.

Why do you feel so confident in the 'clear' data when it comes from people you claim not to trust?  You are a little bit mixed up in your logic it seems.

[_Miracle]

My analogy of someone waving a gun around in a public place, if somewhat dramatic, is pertinent.

Not as dramatic as people equating wearing masks to oppression.

 ( I get the hyperbole and agree with most of what you said )

It's been a busy week writing boring letters to state legislators addressing a few issues one of them is this...
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/

[Betwrong]

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BTW... Vaccination is not a freedom issue. You are not free to stand in a public place with a gun and shoot down random passersby. Similarly, you should not be free to stand in a public place and cough potentially lethal virus onto people.

You are also perfectly free to hunker down in your apartment dousing yourself with cleaning solvent if you have some irrational phobia about germs.

Nobody owes anyone else some fantasy risk-free existence, and particularly not neurotic freaks who've been driven over the edge of insanity by corp/gov propaganda because they never learned to apply simple arithmetic.

Yeah, really? And what is this "simple arithmetic", in your opinion?

Is this not simple enough for you?

At my hospital, over 95% of COVID-19 patients share one thing in common: They’re unvaccinated

Or this?



Or this?

Fully vaccinated people are much less likely to die with Covid-19 than those who aren't

You know, this is serious. Someone might read your antivaxxer bs and die because of believing it. Be careful with what you are saying, when many people can potentially read it.

[figliar0]

I can see that it's an imposition. But it's not a freedom issue unless the consequences of both action and inaction affect only you. With the Covid vaccine, your action of taking the vaccine may give you side effects, so affects only you, but your inaction in refusing to take it affects others, because you increase the chances of them contracting the virus. The argument against this, that everyone has been offered the vaccine, so by refusing to take it you are only increasing the risk to others who have refused... is relevant only in an idealised situation that doesn't exist in the real world. There are for example plenty of people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, and people who are too young to take it, and there is still of course cross-border travel.
My analogy of someone waving a gun around in a public place, if somewhat dramatic, is pertinent.

It is obvious that gov restrictions has a lot of negative affects. People who obey (encourage) these restrictions participate on every negative effect of these restrictions. So taking vaxx do affects others. Sorry to say, but your statement is not true.

I do not say, that not taking vaxx do not effects others. It does, like everything else, that's how universe works. But blaming anti-vaxxers from all negative effects and renounce your own share... It looks like really hard gov brainwash.

To your analogy - it is totally not pertinent. You live in real world, full of microorganism, get used to it. If you don't like it, if you panically fear of it, I have only one recommendation: psychologist. It is not normal to live in such a fear - contact with microorganisms is base of good immunity. Comparing natural environment with shooting people is... hardly over the line. Reality cannot be simplified too much even in theoretical conversation - from certain border it starts to be lies.

[arielbit]

If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today.

The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

it is official that even if you are vaccinated you can still get covid so getting vaxxed will not achieve herd immunity. idiot.

[Cnut237]

it is official that even if you are vaccinated you can still get covid so getting vaxxed will not achieve herd immunity. idiot.

Your logic is appalling. Some people who smoke heavily all their lives don't get lung cancer... therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, right?
Some ​people who wear parachutes when jumping out of a plane die on landing... therefore we may as well all jump out of planes without wearing parachutes?
 

idiot.

Well, you used the word, so let's use it again.

[tvbcof]

Yeah, really? And what is this "simple arithmetic", in your opinion?

Is this not simple enough for you?

At my hospital, over 95% of COVID-19 patients share one thing in common: They’re unvaccinated

I'll tell you a little secret about how they cook the numbers.  'vaccinated' is not equal to 'injected' in their definition, but they won't tell you that.  If a person is 'injected' in Jan 1, they won't be 'vaccinated' until mid Feb because it doesn't start until 14 days after the second inject (for multi-dose gene therapies.)  Then 2.5 months later you are back to being 'unvaccinated' again.  At least by some definitions which the propagandists are prone to use when writing fodder like the above for audiences like you.  That's about 2.5 months.

Note also that in spite of 'theconversation.com' going on about 'journalistic integrity', they cannot even figure out how to put a date on the story.  This is important for reasons associated with another common scam:  Writing a story about the 'unvaxxed' dying, but not mentioning that the time window was before the gene therapy injections were rolled out in a big way so very few people even could be 'vaxxed'.

Or this?

That's just a graphic with zero information, including the date we just talked about.  what a joke.

Or this?

Fully vaccinated people are much less likely to die with Covid-19 than those who aren't

Here's another scam you should know about.  If an uninjected person dies of just about anything, it gets counted as 'covid'.  If an injected person dies from the jab, they count it as something else, or as 'covid' if they need more numbers.  Just depends on what story they would like to paint.  One thing it will never be labeled as is a 'adverse reaction to the gene therapy.'

The same game is easily played with hospitalizations.  In short, the books are so obviously cooked that mainstream media stories, public health data, celebrity doctor proclamations which will be directed to come up in your social media feed, etc, are completely useless even if one does know the tricks they use.

You know, this is serious. Someone might read your antivaxxer bs and die because of believing it. Be careful with what you are saying, when many people can potentially read it.

You also should be careful because it cuts both ways.  You will find out that you 'bet wrong' on this one I'm afaid.

I know exactly zero people who died of 'covid-19', and nobody who has been terribly sick for the last year or so.  I have direct first or second degree information on around 20 people who have died within a week of getting the jab and were progressively sicker and sicker from the needle until their death.  About 70% of these were in rural areas in a 'developing world' country where I live, and the other 30% were in larger cities.  I had to loan money for funeral expenses to a friend who lost three of her mother's siblings at the same time and within a week of the jab.  That occurred in a larger urban area.

Again, all of these people will have been logged as 'unvaccinated' due to the timings of their injections and their deaths.

[arielbit]

it is official that even if you are vaccinated you can still get covid so getting vaxxed will not achieve herd immunity. idiot.

Your logic is appalling. Some people who smoke heavily all their lives don't get lung cancer... therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, right?
Some ​people who wear parachutes when jumping out of a plane die on landing... therefore we may as well all jump out of planes without wearing parachutes?
 

idiot.

Well, you used the word, so let's use it again.

appalling indeed. since you answer a topic with a different topic LOL

[BADecker]

it is official that even if you are vaccinated you can still get covid so getting vaxxed will not achieve herd immunity. idiot.

Your logic is appalling. Some people who smoke heavily all their lives don't get lung cancer... therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, right?
Some ​people who wear parachutes when jumping out of a plane die on landing... therefore we may as well all jump out of planes without wearing parachutes?
 

idiot.

Well, you used the word, so let's use it again.

appalling indeed. since you answer a topic with a different topic LOL

Right! Cnut doesn't realize that many people, mostly military, jump out of planes without parachutes every day... after the plane has landed. But it looks like in the US we are going to have fewer of them.


Army MD Grounds All Vaccinated Pilots, Recommends Immediate Halt to Military Vaccination

Within the affidavit, the Army aviation surgeon outlined her case for recommending immediately halting military COVID-19 vaccines, grounding any pilot who has received an mRNA vaccination, and how the Army is violating its own risk management protocols by failing to do a proper military risk analysis.

Some of the major eye-opening takeaways from her testimony:

-LTC Long's experience and education (Aviation Brigade surgeon, infectious disease training, treatment of COVID-19 patients, Master's in public health, etc.) make her uniquely and specifically suited to testify on the issue of vaccination in the military.

-Only 20 out of 1.4 million active duty troops have died due to COVID-19, or 0.0014%. For contrast, 19 times as many service members have taken their own lives.

-Using mRNA "vaccines" without long-term studies presents an unknown risk to the military to attempt to mitigate an illness whose risk is known.

-While myocarditis usually shows no initial symptoms, later symptoms include dilated cardiomyopathy, arrhythmias, sudden cardiac death and myocarditis carries a mortality rate of 20% at one year and 50% at 5 years. This means that 1 out of 5 people diagnosed with myocarditis die within a year and half die within 5 years.

-The Pfizer shots contain Polyethylene glycol, an ingredient that causes immune responses absent any actual vaccine product, and can lead to "severe anaphylactic response requiring hospitalization or death, to life-long allergies and anti-drug antibodies (ADAs) which could stop other medications from working in your body."

-The spike proteins generated by the body in response to the mRNA injection do not stay at the injection site, and instead "have been found circulating in the blood and in virtually all organs of the body." These spike proteins "have been shown to be pathogenic (disease causing) attaching to endothelial, pulmonary and other cells, forming clots and attacking heart cells."

-"The spike proteins and their lipid nanoparticles cross the blood brain barrier, with unknown long-term effects on the brain and high concern for chronic neurodegenerative disorders. Fourth, these spike proteins interact in many signaling pathways which may trigger tumor formation, cancer, and other serious diseases."

-Military medical personnel are "having their safety concerns ignored and being ostracized for expressing or reporting safety concerns as they relate to COVID vaccinations."

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[Wakate]

I am vaccinated. One of my doses cost me $10 and the other one was for free. I had taken the vaccine out of my own will. While it is completely voluntary for you to take the doses, right now i encourage everyone to get it. We didn't defeat the flu all by natural immunity. Many had to get the flu vaccines.

It is quite surprising how, people can object to taking vaccines completely without understanding what it is. While it is prudent avoid a vaccine that has been rushed or experimental, it is a complete lack of knowledge when you avoid it just because you find a conspiracy in it.

Yes, people who take vaccines can still be infected by COVID - but the severity of COVID after taking virus is very low.

Hahahaha...why do you think after taking covid-19 vaccine, the person can still become infected?
What is the need of taking the vaccine when your immune system can still condole the virus
Does it not look unnecessary after taken the vaccine and still become infected...this is totally unacceptable!

For those who are avoiding vaccines, i fully respect your choice to do so. But please maintain a nutritious diet and have enough immunity boosting foods to stay healthy and avoid public places.

The vaccinated should also do the same since both the vaxxed an unvaxxed can still be infect.

[Cnut237]

appalling indeed. since you answer a topic with a different topic LOL

I can't tell if you are trolling, or genuinely don't understand. If you're trolling, then well done, you got me. If you genuinely don't understand, then this should help.

[BADecker]

[Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ?


You would have gotten more vaxxed people voting, if a bunch of them hadn't died off from the vaxx already.

[arielbit]

appalling indeed. since you answer a topic with a different topic LOL

I can't tell if you are trolling, or genuinely don't understand. If you're trolling, then well done, you got me. If you genuinely don't understand, then this should help.

you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

[lienfaye]

I'm vaccinated already. At first, im hesitant to do what the Government has to say especially that I also have health issues and afraid of the side effects that this vaccine might cause.

But eventually I was convinced and had the shot. Its free and my reason for complying is, the virus is still existing and the situation here is not improving. I envy those countries who already moved on and started their new beginning, but here we are still in lockdown and its been almost 2 years since this situation started.

Though they say the vaccine is for protection, it doesnt mean you are not prone to get infected if you had it. Thus, strong immune system is really necessary regardless if you're vaccinated or not. Having yourself to be vaccinated is your own choice and should not be mandated.

[Lordhermes]

Well,I have not been vaccinated, reasons is because, I fear that the vaccine is becoming dangerous as the day goes by,and also I have heard so much about the death rate that the vaccine has caused, so with these I have heard, i have decided not to take the vaccine,to avoid the risk of eliminating my life.Furthermore, it seems the vaccine is now been forced on people because they want to use this medium to reduce the population rate in the society.

[figliar0]

Furthermore, it seems the vaccine is now been forced on people because they want to use this medium to reduce the population rate in the society.

This looks like conspiracy. Like every conspiracy, it can be true, at least partially. IMHO the main reason why they forced people to get vaxx is because they earn lots of money. Your health is something they do not care at all.