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March 02, 2022, 11:26:34 PM
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Sure, we decided not to use any power outlets for as much as we can, since I had a fire accident once and it was determined a weak point.
So the circuit breaker is right there and it is very convenient to control miners on the spot.
Miners connect to the power source in the blue boxes right below the MCBs:



Joining power cords, in my personal opinion, doesn't hurt, if you've done the calculations (which I am sure you did).
The owners here are extra careful and they don't want to have a slight chance of hurting people's equipment, so would probably not allow us to experiment with the electrical part.
Chinese people just brought lots of miners, and it seems like they still have lots of them sitting in China and not doing anything (I am surprised, because the hashrate already recovered).
Or maybe they still mine, just on a smaller scale Wink



I see no PDUs and many small MCBc near the miners, they all look a single-pole so how do you wire the Natural and Ground? can you take a closer picture showing the MCB wiring and explain a bit your set-up?  your setup is kind of similar to mine, I don't use PDUs (want to start using them for better management) and I join the power cord wires together, this is probably against the code for many countries like the U.S so it could scare a few folks away lol.


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March 02, 2022, 11:30:18 PM
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And then there is condition of the miners...
Those poor Avalon's (841's?) are in horrid shape... Where in the hell did they come from? Someplace that obviously did not clean the air at all... Hate to say it but from what can be seen in the racks does not look any better  Shocked

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March 02, 2022, 11:39:28 PM
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Yeah, you are right Smiley they came from China, together with the maintenance team... they have thousands of these machines, and while there is an opportunity to make a few cents, they don't want to miss it. On the large scale it pays off.

And then there is condition of the miners...
Those poor Avalon's (841's?) are in horrid shape... Where in the hell did they come from? Someplace that obviously did not clean the air at all... Hate to say it but from what can be seen in the racks does not look any better  Shocked
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March 03, 2022, 12:17:23 AM
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Sure, we decided not to use any power outlets for as much as we can, since I had a fire accident once and it was determined a weak point.
So the circuit breaker is right there and it is very convenient to control miners on the spot.

This is the main reason why I join the power cables this way, electricity prefers more surface contact and as tight as possible, I checked the local market I didn't find any power outlets or PDUs that seemed safe to handle a few KWs worth of power, so ditched that idea.

The problem with your approach (and mine) is the time it takes to connect those power cords, it's a lot of effort especially if it's 1-2 people doing it on a large scale, it's a lot easier to just connect your 3 or 5 wires to the PDU and be set to connect 10-15 miners.

The other problem is that most of those connectors (yours is blue) don't have wholes that fit 1-2mm2 or anything as small, usually the smallest will be 4mm2 which means you are forced to join a few power cords together to be able to tighten them.

But all in all, this way is a lot cheaper since high-quality PDUs are very, very expensive.

And then there is condition of the miners...
Those poor Avalon's (841's?) are in horrid shape... Where in the hell did they come from?

The miners you see on the floor are just about the average of the majority of used miners that come from China, the majority of miners in China used to move their gears twice a year to places with cheaper power, so it doesn't seem like they have spent a lot of money on the infrastructure of at least one of the locations since they only mined there for 1/3 or the year or so.

Also, the majority of mining operations were near 'water' at places with high levels of humidity, getting a used miner that does not have some sort of corrosion on it is not normal, a long story short, the majority of used miners in China are ABUSED and many do not even work.

This justifies the fact that buying mining gears from trusted resellers will cost A LOT more than buying directly from the farm owner because a good reseller will test the miners, clean them, change a few 6 pin connectors which are usually corroded, pack the miner in a proper way and ship it to you, this process can increase the miner's cost by 10-30% easily.


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March 03, 2022, 12:31:38 AM
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Seems like you've dealt with China Smiley That's exactly correct. They also have "high water season" which forces to move miners around a lot. They even build unofficial secret hydro power plants, where conditions are not that great.



Also, the majority of mining operations were near 'water' at places with high humidity, getting a used miner that does not have some sort of corrosion on it is not normal, a long story short, the majority of used miners in China are ABUSED and many do not even work.

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March 03, 2022, 02:42:07 PM
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Hello Everyone!
Please keep your political opinions off this topic, as this is not something discussed here and there are other threads to express your thoughts regarding this matter.
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Please note that we are fully booked and we are not currently looking for clients in this thread.

A sign in that pic is written in Chinese, I doubt the owner is a Putin supporter, stop spreading FUD
So the sign is in Chinese - guess what -- most of the miners in there - and probably a lot of the workers as well - came from Chinese farms so it makes sense that the OP used some signage to make them feel at home. A different post by the OP states that this place IS in Russia.

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March 04, 2022, 12:25:43 AM
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or maybe the supposed mining facility is a big scam?  chinese signs in russian territory ?  ...  omg...
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March 04, 2022, 12:58:03 AM
Last edit: March 04, 2022, 01:25:59 AM by _oh_no_stop_this_
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or maybe the supposed mining facility is a big scam?  chinese signs in russian territory ?  ...  omg...

Your clownery in this thread is pathetic.

First, you claim to make this project to be targeted by the "Anonymous" Grin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388084.0

Then you make this allegation...

For anyone reading this:
We've been in contact with this person and he wanted to work with us. Now he can't do it for political reasons (sanctions, can't raise capital to place miners in Russia).


I also understand that your own project is ruined, because it was based on mining with cheap electricity:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347550.60

Try to accept your failure like a man. If it's mental - please try to seek professional help.

I have no interest in having any further conversations with you. Good luck with your endeavours!
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March 04, 2022, 01:55:28 AM
Last edit: March 04, 2022, 02:38:19 AM by ilghan
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I certainly don't need you, i have my facilities where i mine. Plus, you're the one sanctioned, not me.

Anyway it doesn't make sense me to continue because nobody from abroad  , aside from north korea, will be crazy enough to contact you whatsoever for the foreseeable future.

People will know better where to allocate their funds, they're not stupid.

For sure now they  know something more..











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March 05, 2022, 11:17:07 PM
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Ah don’t hate a guy cause he was born in the ‘wrong’ country.

He also said he does not want investors.

What does interest me is if Russia 🇷🇺 declares martial law and shuts the net down will hash rate drop like a mofo. at the moment hashrate is way down.

I suspected the Ukraine 🇺🇦 has had major net and power outages which may have put many miners off line.

If Russia decides to cut the net off will its miners be cut off?

Will China 🇨🇳 help the miners in Russia out?

This war may finally be a real test for BTC.

Will Btc become a free world coin ?

Now This is not politics per say. I am not taking sides here. I was born in USA 🇺🇸 and served in USN.

but I have been around long enough to see the patterns of war. Mostly rich motherfuckers manipulate the masses to get richer.

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March 13, 2022, 03:46:24 PM
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Just amazing seeing these images, Wishing you guys the best of luck.
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March 13, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
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Ah don’t hate a guy cause he was born in the ‘wrong’ country.

He also said he does not want investors.

What does interest me is if Russia 🇷🇺 declares martial law and shuts the net down will hash rate drop like a mofo. at the moment hashrate is way down.

I suspected the Ukraine 🇺🇦 has had major net and power outages which may have put many miners off line.

If Russia decides to cut the net off will its miners be cut off?

Will China 🇨🇳 help the miners in Russia out?

This war may finally be a real test for BTC.

Will Btc become a free world coin ?

Now This is not politics per say. I am not taking sides here. I was born in USA 🇺🇸 and served in USN.

but I have been around long enough to see the patterns of war. Mostly rich motherfuckers manipulate the masses to get richer.

 Some good questions and points here...
if Russia shuts net down how this would affect global mining picture I wonder??

 with most governments trying to implement CBDCs and more and more countries recognising BTC as legal tender
bitcoin sooner than soon is to become the new world currency





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March 14, 2022, 04:42:03 PM
Last edit: March 14, 2022, 11:53:50 PM by _oh_no_stop_this_
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If Russia decides to cut the net off will its miners be cut off?
Will China 🇨🇳 help the miners in Russia out?
This war may finally be a real test for BTC.
Will Btc become a free world coin ?

Thank you for the questions!

1. If Russia decides to cut the net off will its miners be cut off?
- Some will be cut off, but then satellite internet will do the thing; however, due to the high cost and latency, I believe: (a) not all miners will be able to afford it, only the larger ones (b) their luck will be lower (more stale blocks), so miners in other countries will have a better probability of earning more.

2. Will China 🇨🇳 help the miners in Russia out?
- Very unlikely. From what I see China is really strict on mining. And Kazakhstan will not help either, they are having issues right now, so their miners are partially relocating to Russia even in these uncertain times.

3. This war may finally be a real test for BTC.
- Seems so. It should pass the test, as long as we all have internet communication....

4. Will Btc become a free world coin ?
- Hope so.

Just amazing seeing these images, Wishing you guys the best of luck.

Thank you  Cheesy

Some good questions and points here...
if Russia shuts net down how this would affect global mining picture I wonder??

 with most governments trying to implement CBDCs and more and more countries recognising BTC as legal tender
bitcoin sooner than soon is to become the new world currency

1. if Russia shuts net down how this would affect global mining picture I wonder??
- That would make miners in other countries richer, but it is still not very likely to happen at this point. I can imagine Chinese version of firewall in place, which can be circumvented with VPN traffic going to the private server, or satellite internet.

2. with most governments trying to implement CBDCs and more and more countries recognising BTC as legal tender bitcoin sooner than soon is to become the new world currency
- We will know it is happening once oil and other important commodities will start trading for BTC.
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May 04, 2022, 09:18:49 AM
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Looking good!! Good luck to the venture, Champ!! And if you need any help in terms of rigs procurement or mining pool, I would love to help!
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