[HELP]help me to get back my money from scammer

[eseayan]

What will you do when you pay money and get no shipment, using escrow to buy physical coins?

I used escrow to buy physical XMR coins here on August 28.
 I sent about 200 XMR to the escrow address  at the same day. But my bitcointalk account was hacked at the night, and the linked email was also changed. I found out that at second day(August 29) morning. In order to prevent the hacker to change my shipment address to steal the physical coins, I had to lock my bitcointalk account ASAP. I used my another bitcointalk account to post thread to tell escrow-man and seller to stop the deal until my account is back.  After about a half month I got back my bitcointalk account on September 15. So I PM escrow-man and seller. The seller(scammer) blacklisted me and sent no shipment. I asked escrow-man send my money back to me some times from September 14 to today(October 26), but escrow-man only replied my one time and rejected to refund me my money.

To buy physical coins I have sent the money, but got no shipment. And escrow-man rejected to refund me my money. Will I lose my money and get nothing? What should I do?


Some facts for you:
my thread to buy physical coins on August 20:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355531.msg57792559#msg57792559

first connect escrow-man for escrow service on August 28:
https://ibb.co/RNdV7bc

pay money(xmr) to escrow address on August 28:
https://blockchair.com/monero/transaction/ed435c8c5aaa30a4ab9ea0ab0475986d3de27069538ff3535e096ed6a1a885a8
https://ibb.co/ZJP6KTR

my bitcointalk account is hacked, and linked email address is changed on August 29:
https://ibb.co/D9d4Cfs

another thread to notice escrow-man and seller on August 30:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5357216.msg57816116#msg57816116

seller(scammer) profile:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2300231


escrow-man gives seller untrusted feedback on September 5:
https://ibb.co/RbJ3z71

get back my bitcointalk account on September 14:
https://ibb.co/GQks83P

ask escrow-man to refund me my money  many times from September 14 to today:
https://ibb.co/F0NVgTT

escrow-man replied me only one time, and rejected to refund me my money on September 17:
https://ibb.co/p0gjdBD
https://ibb.co/9hXqfr7

[bL4nkcode]

Basically, if the item(s) were not shipped from the seller, no tracking # provided, unresponsive seller(no updates), no item(s) arrived on buyer's side on particular period of time considering the ETA, then a refund is a must.

[eseayan]

Basically, if the item(s) were not shipped from the seller, no tracking # provided, unresponsive seller(no updates), no item(s) arrived on buyer's side on particular period of time considering the ETA, then a refund is a must.

Yes, No tracking ID. And now it has lasted about 2 months from August.

[OgNasty]

Just a quick guess on my part...  but judging from minerjones' response (what little we are allowed to see) it seems that he never received funds as he's asking if the scammer controlled your wallet as well.

My guess is that the seller pulled a Man-In-The-Middle attack and convinced the buyer to send funds to him while thinking he was sending funds to minerjones.  Again, just a guess since not enough information is provided in the messages, but the first thing I would do is check where you got the Bitcoin address to send the funds to escrow.  My again random quick guess of the situation is that you didn't get the address from minerjones.

[2stout]

To further make your case, you might want to go here and follow along- particularly Decode Outputs and Prove sending, to offer more proof and see what went where:  

https://xmrchain.net/search?value=ed435c8c5aaa30a4ab9ea0ab0475986d3de27069538ff3535e096ed6a1a885a8

[eseayan]

Just a quick guess on my part...  but judging from minerjones' response (what little we are allowed to see) it seems that he never received funds as he's asking if the scammer controlled your wallet as well.

My guess is that the seller pulled a Man-In-The-Middle attack and convinced the buyer to send funds to him while thinking he was sending funds to minerjones.  Again, just a guess since not enough information is provided in the messages, but the first thing I would do is check where you got the Bitcoin address to send the funds to escrow.  My again random quick guess of the situation is that you didn't get the address from minerjones.

The scammer did not controlled my XMR wallet, because I sent about 200 XMR to escrow address from my CEX account, which is secure and protected by Google Authenticator.

The escrow address is from the massage that escrow-man sent to me on August 28. Here is the massage:

Hello-

Happy to assist for the transaction.
Amount: 196 XMR
Donation: 1.96 XMR
Total to send: 197.96 XMR
Address: 45gtrfipMYeYZ9ZRRLN4XKG5q2tiT7HUdSvqn5LUs5V3WmHSnQYHpF6ReaY1U2uGJfMo6QpP5zmS1gT hEASRcHdx3KZkDK6

Once funds have been sent and confirmed, please use "reply to all" to let us know the txid of the payment.
After this, items can be shipped to the buyer.
When buyer receives items in good standing and reports back, I can release funds to the seller.

Thank you,
minerjones

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

August 28 2021 minerjones escrow between Rajubhusal and eseayan for the amount of 196 XMR using address 45gtrfipMYeYZ9ZRRLN4XKG5q2tiT7HUdSvqn5LUs5V3WmHSnQYHpF6ReaY1U2uGJfMo6QpP5zmS1gT hEASRcHdx3KZkDK6 in exchange for Lealana XMR silver coin set
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.1.13
Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto

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eX4NzXc90zeKEFkAc5lNf1e+yIQYQIhyR+7ZYYQVVTzoifaXeVyvIhhLyd2ROy0w
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https://ibb.co/FqtTHvK

To further make your case, you might want to go here and follow along- particularly Decode Outputs and Prove sending, to offer more proof and see what went where: 

https://xmrchain.net/search?value=ed435c8c5aaa30a4ab9ea0ab0475986d3de27069538ff3535e096ed6a1a885a8

I sent XMR to escrow address from my CEX account, and I don't have the private view key. How should I prove that in this case?

Here is printscreen of that XMR transaction.
https://ibb.co/8jYz2ZX

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[owlcatz]

It sounds like MJ never got the coins, but it looks to me like you sent them to the address he gave you.

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

This is really fucked up to me.  

Also, @buckrogers - why is his name in here? [clarified by buckrogers below]

Edit - More info from MJ needed here for sure... I've seen something like this happen recently as well, to such an extent that I no longer trust ANYTHING about PM's on this forum - Not saying there is someone who may have infiltrated the server, but things are definitely getting shadier around here as time goes on, so I now prefer to use Telegram - How fuckin' sad is that, right?

I hope more info gets posted, that's a lot of XMR, and those are some of the sexiest coins on the planet.

Last edit: NEVER send XMR from an address you do not fully control if you need to PROVE you sent coins from it!

[buckrogers]

I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!


https://i.imgur.com/vlEnLEm.png

What are you talking about dude??

I cannot open that link.

Post up whatever that scammer did to you, dont involve me in your crappy deal.

Verify? do tell! I'm curious what they sent you.

Thanks!


I'm ok to accept your apology in advance after you realize whatever that scammer pulled over on you and may have tossed my name in there somehow.

Do your due diligence before accusing someone here!!

Jeez

I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300231;sa=showPosts

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[actmyname]

Looks like someone pretended they were someone else, used an alt, scammed you with fake escrow messages, and that's the brunt of it.

buck has as much to do with this as a golden windmill at the bottom of the sea: he's pretty deep doing fuck-all.

[bL4nkcode]

Basically, if the item(s) were not shipped from the seller, no tracking # provided, unresponsive seller(no updates), no item(s) arrived on buyer's side on particular period of time considering the ETA, then a refund is a must.

Yes, No tracking ID. And now it has lasted about 2 months from August.

Btw uploading (on imgur or bbcode) full pics of the screenshots' of the conversation could be very helpful instead of a cropped one to fully understand the info while waiting MJ to respond here for more info.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Definitely need the full dm if you are accusing minerjones and/or buckrogers - your screenshots are not full - you crop off quite a bit

The only place I see minerjones is in the messages you sent him - in your images of his replies it’s simply quotes and quotes can be modified rather easily - especially for screenshots.

[eseayan]

It sounds like MJ never got the coins, but it looks to me like you sent them to the address he gave you.

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

This is really fucked up to me.  

Also, @buckrogers - why is his name in here? [clarified by buckrogers below]

Edit - More info from MJ needed here for sure... I've seen something like this happen recently as well, to such an extent that I no longer trust ANYTHING about PM's on this forum - Not saying there is someone who may have infiltrated the server, but things are definitely getting shadier around here as time goes on, so I now prefer to use Telegram - How fuckin' sad is that, right?

I hope more info gets posted, that's a lot of XMR, and those are some of the sexiest coins on the planet.

Last edit: NEVER send XMR from an address you do not fully control if you need to PROVE you sent coins from it!

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

No.

@buckrogers - why is his name in here?

The scammer(Rajubhusal) told me buckrogers is Rajubhusal,  this is his mobile account.
https://imgur.com/a/Man0O9w

[buckrogers]

It sounds like MJ never got the coins, but it looks to me like you sent them to the address he gave you.

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

This is really fucked up to me.  

Also, @buckrogers - why is his name in here? [clarified by buckrogers below]

Edit - More info from MJ needed here for sure... I've seen something like this happen recently as well, to such an extent that I no longer trust ANYTHING about PM's on this forum - Not saying there is someone who may have infiltrated the server, but things are definitely getting shadier around here as time goes on, so I now prefer to use Telegram - How fuckin' sad is that, right?

I hope more info gets posted, that's a lot of XMR, and those are some of the sexiest coins on the planet.

Last edit: NEVER send XMR from an address you do not fully control if you need to PROVE you sent coins from it!

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

No.

@buckrogers - why is his name in here?

The scammer(Rajubhusal) told me buckrogers is Rajubhusal,  this is his mobile account.
https://imgur.com/a/Man0O9w

Sorry Bud, thats not me or my account, looks you got scammed good, sorry for your loss.

Having someone "tell" you they are someone else and taking that seriously? you should have done your due diligence, instead of accusing me.

[owlcatz]

So where the fuck is "escrow-man" anyhow, having a "Break" someplace like usual when shit hits the fan? This guy can't confront a guy knocking on his door ffs.. :insert total pussy image here:

[eseayan]

I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300231;sa=showPosts

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.

I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300231;sa=showPosts

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.

Here is the printscreen of that massages.
https://imgur.com/a/T9pnbZg
https://imgur.com/a/Man0O9w

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

[owlcatz]

So what is MJ's response, just that he received no coins and that's it?

Edit this forum is TOTAL fuckin' scam lately, just beware everyone - something (everything?) is not right anymore.

[nutildah]

https://ibb.co/FqtTHvK

I see that it appears minerjones really did send you the PM, however the signed message doesn't verify with the PGP key in his keybase.



Did you attempt to verify the signature against keybase before sending the funds?

Hard to know exactly what happened without input from MJ. Right now I have to assume yours is a faked screenshot.

[buckrogers]

I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300231;sa=showPosts

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.

At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man

You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.

You should have checked with Escrow, me or anyone else on the forum, or posted in your thread at least that "something" was off or different. Kind of basic knowledge in life before sending a random stranger a few hundered XMR!

Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.

SMH

*** oh and id never say "Cheers"

[eseayan]

Basically, if the item(s) were not shipped from the seller, no tracking # provided, unresponsive seller(no updates), no item(s) arrived on buyer's side on particular period of time considering the ETA, then a refund is a must.

Yes, No tracking ID. And now it has lasted about 2 months from August.

Btw uploading (on imgur or bbcode) full pics of the screenshots' of the conversation could be very helpful instead of a cropped one to fully understand the info while waiting MJ to respond here for more info.

I can provide all the massages I received since August 20(I posted thread to buy coins). Give me some times, I will try to upload them. Thanks.

[buckrogers]

https://ibb.co/FqtTHvK

I see that it appears minerjones really did send you the PM, however the signed message doesn't verify with the PGP key in his keybase.



Did you attempt to verify the signature against keybase before sending the funds?

Hard to know exactly what happened without input from MJ. Right now I have to assume yours is a faked screenshot.

He was scammed - most likely buy that Raj guy.

This is why escrows put in the PGP message - SO YOU CAN VERIFY IT!

OP:

Honestly I know it sucks, but you should have done your due diligence with all the tools that were freely provided to you by the escrow. Especially with that amount of coin.

Sad to see, but you aren't the first and you wont be the last to get scammed, hopefully someone besides the OP ofc can learn from this terrible mistake and scam, and triple check everything before sending out funds to anyone.