[Boxing]: Lomachenko vs Commey - December 11

[KTChampions]

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

Maybe he feels comfortable, but nevertheless, you remember that he is not particularly eager to show his undeniable superiority (which he supposedly has) in the third fight. In addition, after all, this is a different situation - the boxers have already fought two fights and Golovkin had two chances to win, but he could not take advantage of them.

[Maslate]

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

Maybe he feels comfortable, but nevertheless, you remember that he is not particularly eager to show his undeniable superiority (which he supposedly has) in the third fight. In addition, after all, this is a different situation - the boxers have already fought two fights and Golovkin had two chances to win, but he could not take advantage of them.

Canelo won their last fight by Majority Decision, though he prove that he is the better fighter between the two but you can't blame the fans of asking a trilogy because by far, that was the best fight of Canelo where he has an opponent that has a chance to beat him.

[Yaunfitda]

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

Maybe he feels comfortable, but nevertheless, you remember that he is not particularly eager to show his undeniable superiority (which he supposedly has) in the third fight. In addition, after all, this is a different situation - the boxers have already fought two fights and Golovkin had two chances to win, but he could not take advantage of them.

Canelo won their last fight by Majority Decision, though he prove that he is the better fighter between the two but you can't blame the fans of asking a trilogy because by far, that was the best fight of Canelo where he has an opponent that has a chance to beat him.

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won  because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

[Fredomago]

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won  because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. 

[Questat]

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won  because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. 

Exactly, but Canelo sees the possibility that he might lose based on the last two fights these two met in the ring. Let's just respect the decision of Canelo but also remain optimistic that one day his mind will change and will give the fans an opportunity to see them fight again, I mean that should be another epic fight and everyone will be watching it, for sure.

[Welsh]

This is annoying, one of my favourite fighters in boxing, along with Tyson Fury, and it clashes with one of the best UFC nights in recent memory. I'll probably be watching dual screen on December the 11th. Why don't boxing organizers, and UFC organizers work together, and avoid putting big fighters on a night where the other has big fighters fighting too?

Surely, it would benefit them to have as much viewership as possible, so organizing it for another day would be better.

Exactly, but Canelo sees the possibility that he might lose based on the last two fights these two met in the ring. Let's just respect the decision of Canelo but also remain optimistic that one day his mind will change and will give the fans an opportunity to see them fight again, I mean that should be another epic fight and everyone will be watching it, for sure.

I'm not sure how popular of an opinion this is, but I wasn't overly impressed with Cancelo last going out against Plant, I thought up until the TKO he looked rather lackluster. He was winning the majoirty of the rounds, but certainly wasn't at his best. So, I would say it would be a legitimate concern he would lose the third fight.

[Silberman]

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won  because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. 

For a moment I thought I was on the wrong thread as there is a lot of posts going about Canelo despite this thread being about another fight, however I think Canelo more than anything is chasing the money rather than avoiding GGG at this point, at least in the US the heavier divisions are the most popular, this is why when there are no good fighters on the heavyweight division the popularity of boxing goes down dramatically at the US, so Canelo is seeing an opportunity to make more money while at the same time he thinks he can dominate the division without Usyk there.

[Rufsilf]

We will see Lopez fight Kambosos in the next couple of days, but that fight took many months in the making, changing of promotional company etc.. etc..

That is his only fight this year if it will happen.

Loma will have his 2nd fight this year against Commey and if he wins this 2021 is a great year for Loma as he bounces back strong. While on the other hand, Lopez will be tested in his fight with Kambasos as his opponent is also undefeated and I feel he can match Lopez fairly in the ring, I expect an upset here actually. IMO, the most active boxer this year is Canelo Alvarez as he had fought 3 times this year.

Right, and I think he also wanted to send a message to Lopez here that he is really back after he defeated him and he has move forward facing two tough opponent in the division.

So if Loma wins in this fight against Commey, then Lopez can't hide next year. The fight should really be push, the ball is on Lopez court though, Loma is willing, but Lopez has so many excuses in his book.

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

We will see Lopez fight Kambosos in the next couple of days, but that fight took many months in the making, changing of promotional company etc.. etc..

That is his only fight this year if it will happen.

Loma will have his 2nd fight this year against Commey and if he wins this 2021 is a great year for Loma as he bounces back strong. While on the other hand, Lopez will be tested in his fight with Kambasos as his opponent is also undefeated and I feel he can match Lopez fairly in the ring, I expect an upset here actually. IMO, the most active boxer this year is Canelo Alvarez as he had fought 3 times this year.

Right, and I think he also wanted to send a message to Lopez here that he is really back after he defeated him and he has move forward facing two tough opponent in the division.

So if Loma wins in this fight against Commey, then Lopez can't hide next year. The fight should really be push, the ball is on Lopez court though, Loma is willing, but Lopez has so many excuses in his book.

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

Hopefully if both fighters won their respective fights, and Lopez didn't go up to 140 lbs and then the rest of the 135 lbs is busy fighting each other, maybe there's no other way for Lopez but to give Loma a rematch.

But it will still depends on how much the money will be on the table. His father is really looking for big fights for his son and obviously, this is their goal when they upset Loma. His fight with Kambosos Jr though, he will be getting a small chunk of money. So maybe a Loma rematch will happen if they are going to be offered by Arum big money.

[Questat]

Exactly, but Canelo sees the possibility that he might lose based on the last two fights these two met in the ring. Let's just respect the decision of Canelo but also remain optimistic that one day his mind will change and will give the fans an opportunity to see them fight again, I mean that should be another epic fight and everyone will be watching it, for sure.

I'm not sure how popular of an opinion this is, but I wasn't overly impressed with Cancelo last going out against Plant, I thought up until the TKO he looked rather lackluster. He was winning the majoirty of the rounds, but certainly wasn't at his best. So, I would say it would be a legitimate concern he would lose the third fight.

He bet Plant and that's the most important, if Plant were also thinking of winning, he could be more aggressive, but no, instead he was just fighting to survive. What I want to see is the fight that Canelo had some trouble, and that is the fight against GGG, a trilogy fight.

[wxa7115]

This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

I agree that it does not look good however it does not mean that it cannot be done, we have seen something similar many times before, so unless Lomachenko can establish himself as the number one ranked challenger then it could pass a lot of time before he can get another shot with Lopez above the ring.

And as you stated if this is personal, and I have every reason to think this is the case, then Lopez could move up a division out of spite, that way Lomachenko will have no way to avenge the defeat he suffered at the hands of Lopez.

[Kelvinid]

This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

I agree that it does not look good however it does not mean that it cannot be done, we have seen something similar many times before, so unless Lomachenko can establish himself as the number one ranked challenger then it could pass a lot of time before he can get another shot with Lopez above the ring.

And as you stated if this is personal, and I have every reason to think this is the case, then Lopez could move up a division out of spite, that way Lomachenko will have no way to avenge the defeat he suffered at the hands of Lopez.

The fact that the fans are wanting to see a rematch, means they see it as a good fight and they still believe that Loma could come back and beat Lopez. If Lopez really is into real challenges and to make decent money, then why not take the rematch and proved to the fans once again that he is the better fighter.

[Fredomago]

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won  because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. 

For a moment I thought I was on the wrong thread as there is a lot of posts going about Canelo despite this thread being about another fight, however I think Canelo more than anything is chasing the money rather than avoiding GGG at this point, at least in the US the heavier divisions are the most popular, this is why when there are no good fighters on the heavyweight division the popularity of boxing goes down dramatically at the US, so Canelo is seeing an opportunity to make more money while at the same time he thinks he can dominate the division without Usyk there.

If that's the case, Alvarez wants both a title and more money. Let's put it this way, he thinks that he already beat everyone from his division, moving up will create new noise for his name, I just assume that there are more money if he will give Loma another chance but if there's more money after moving up it's more practical to choose.

We can't measure his capabilities after moving to this new division, but his chance still there, he might snatch the belt we never know
what will happen

[Silberman]

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

Some argue that Lomachenko was injured during that fight and as such they believe that if he was healthy he would have beaten Lopez that day, however we need to give credit to Lopez he gave a good fight, which is why he won that day, what I do not understand is why there was no rematch clause, if that had been in place we would not have this issue of Lopez not wanting to give Lomachenko another chance to fight him, did Lomachenko thought he was going to win and he did not needed one? Because if that is the case then now he is paying the price for that arrogance.

[Kemarit]

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

Some argue that Lomachenko was injured during that fight and as such they believe that if he was healthy he would have beaten Lopez that day, however we need to give credit to Lopez he gave a good fight, which is why he won that day, what I do not understand is why there was no rematch clause, if that had been in place we would not have this issue of Lopez not wanting to give Lomachenko another chance to fight him, did Lomachenko thought he was going to win and he did not needed one? Because if that is the case then now he is paying the price for that arrogance.

It could be the reason why fighters doesn't want to give rematch clause, because they think that they are going to win against their tough opponent, like in this case Loma vs Lopez. So Loma might not have sign the rematch clause back then, if he would have known that he will get a shoulder injury then maybe there will be one.

Or Lopez himself was so confident in this fight that he also doesn't want any rematch clause after he beat Loma. But either way, we as boxing fans wanted to see a second fight, just to scratch our curiosity of what if Loma is healthy that time.

[Silberman]

This Saturday we will get to see Haney vs Diaz for the WBC lightweight championship, with the defeat of Lopez at the hands of Kambosos a unification fight could be on the cards between the winner of Haney vs Diaz and Kambosos during 2022, however I wonder if any of the two would give Lomachenko a chance to get a world title in the case Lomachenko wins this fight, which is the most likely outcome, or maybe they will go directly to the unification fight, in any case it seems the lightweight division is going to be very entertaining during the next year, just as it has been this year with one of the biggest upsets on recent memory on the sport.

[Kemarit]

This Saturday we will get to see Haney vs Diaz for the WBC lightweight championship, with the defeat of Lopez at the hands of Kambosos a unification fight could be on the cards between the winner of Haney vs Diaz and Kambosos during 2022, however I wonder if any of the two would give Lomachenko a chance to get a world title before in the case Lomachenko wins this fight, which is the most likely outcome, or maybe they will go directly to the unification fight, in any case it seems the lightweight division is going to be very entertaining during the next year, just as it has been this year with one of the biggest upsets on recent memory on the sport.

It boils down as to where the money is, and I think with the Lopez lost, and with Loma assuming that he will win this fight against Commey, will still be the after sought fighter in this division even though he doesn't have the belt because of his name. And sooner or later either one of the champions will have to give Loma his chance to get back all his belt and be the champion once again in this division.

If Kambosos is wise, then wait for Loma next year and fight in Australia, that will be huge and a lot of money are going to flow for him in that fight.

[Finestream]

Let's wait for the betting odds to be available as betting on the ML for Loma does not make sense unless you have huge capital.

If you are looking for attractive odds, betting on KO in a specific range of rounds would be the answer, mostly, the round ranges are per 3 rounds, you just have to make a good guess and put your money, or bet on Loma winning by decision, maybe that is higher than the 1.15 odds.

I don't chase high odds as it increases the risk of losing. I try not to take risks, so it is more important for me to increase my deposit a little than to take a risk and lose a part of my deposit in case of losing.

Calculate how much the probability of winning decreases when betting on one of the ranges of rounds and if you are satisfied with such risks, then place this bet.

Same here mate, I prefer the crowd favorite and I based it usually on my research about the probability on which fighter has more chances to win. I always do it in a safe way to prevent losses in the future, I mean yes, high odds is definitely tempting to bet but in the end of the day it will lead you to some losses. So might as well go in the safe way.
Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

[Kasabus]

Let's wait for the betting odds to be available as betting on the ML for Loma does not make sense unless you have huge capital.

If you are looking for attractive odds, betting on KO in a specific range of rounds would be the answer, mostly, the round ranges are per 3 rounds, you just have to make a good guess and put your money, or bet on Loma winning by decision, maybe that is higher than the 1.15 odds.

I don't chase high odds as it increases the risk of losing. I try not to take risks, so it is more important for me to increase my deposit a little than to take a risk and lose a part of my deposit in case of losing.

Calculate how much the probability of winning decreases when betting on one of the ranges of rounds and if you are satisfied with such risks, then place this bet.

Same here mate, I prefer the crowd favorite and I based it usually on my research about the probability on which fighter has more chances to win. I always do it in a safe way to prevent losses in the future, I mean yes, high odds is definitely tempting to bet but in the end of the day it will lead you to some losses. So might as well go in the safe way.
Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

I wouldn't be so sure about Lomachenko, yes as you said Loma is indeed a crowd favorite on this one. Look at their record also, Commey's knockout rate is 27 KOs in 30 victories and is much higher than Loma's rate 11 KOs in 15 victories, and about their height and reach advantage there's some gaps into it.
Commey is also looking forward to get his revenge against Lopez, as he is also defeated in their last match. This will be a tough fight, a battle of two fighters about getting their revenge against Lopez 

[Maslate]

Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

Loma will likely win this fight, but I guess it's not necessary for Loma to take his revenge against Lopez due to the following reasons.

1. Lopez is not the champion now, he lose against Kambasos Jr. which we call a major upset.
2. Lopez is planning to move up, so bye-bye Loma.