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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same. Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is but at least he do show off some care. Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out. I do also appreciate on what Elon had done. At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world. He's not. It's just a PR stunt. If you really want to help, you help. You don't need to broadcast it.
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November 09, 2021, 06:39:53 PM |
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I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.
So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
Yeah, there are two types of people who are approaching this in a wrong manner and that is the main problem and why we have starvation in the world right now. One of them is pointing out that 6 billion dollars is not enough, like that would solve the problem. So, let's assume that 6 billion dollars is not enough, then how much is enough? What do we need to do and how much do we need to spend to fix this problem? Why do we talk about the amount not being enough instead of talking about how we can solve this problem? The other type of people are talking about how this is a "democrat" way like it is some American problem, this isn't about democrat VS republican, it is not even about USA, it is about world hunger and people who are starving are not only from USA, it is rarely from there, it is mostly in other nations. We need to get all the rich people in the world, all the governments who could afford a bit to spare, and find a solution. I value your statement, it's more on how we find the solution than looking for the exact amount that it needed to solve this problem, you are right about it, if those rich people and wealthy government start to look for poor nations as part of their obligation and removed the kind of mindset of being greed. World hunger is a wide concern to discuss, but if everyone will involve themselves in the solution is always possible to find. It's between the mindset that will spark this out and get a proper solution, not a quick one, but a long-lasting solution that will help mankind. Musk might start it by providing the amount in hope that there are other Trillionaire out there to share his sentiment and start building solutions. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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November 09, 2021, 07:20:16 PM |
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same. Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is but at least he do show off some care. Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out. I do also appreciate on what Elon had done. At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world. He's not. It's just a PR stunt. If you really want to help, you help. You don't need to broadcast it. PR stunt? You couldnt really tell because it is really just impossible that events like these wont really go to media knowing that Elon is the richest man on the world and every move you do make specially dealing off with big money and its impossible that no one would be noticing it but i do understand on your point about not telling everybody if you do really tend to make donation in silent but if that kind of fame and popularity level you do have then its less likely to happen.
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November 09, 2021, 08:52:45 PM |
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I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.
So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
Yeah, there are two types of people who are approaching this in a wrong manner and that is the main problem and why we have starvation in the world right now. One of them is pointing out that 6 billion dollars is not enough, like that would solve the problem. So, let's assume that 6 billion dollars is not enough, then how much is enough? What do we need to do and how much do we need to spend to fix this problem? Why do we talk about the amount not being enough instead of talking about how we can solve this problem? The other type of people are talking about how this is a "democrat" way like it is some American problem, this isn't about democrat VS republican, it is not even about USA, it is about world hunger and people who are starving are not only from USA, it is rarely from there, it is mostly in other nations. We need to get all the rich people in the world, all the governments who could afford a bit to spare, and find a solution. I value your statement, it's more on how we find the solution than looking for the exact amount that it needed to solve this problem, you are right about it, if those rich people and wealthy government start to look for poor nations as part of their obligation and removed the kind of mindset of being greed. World hunger is a wide concern to discuss, but if everyone will involve themselves in the solution is always possible to find. It's between the mindset that will spark this out and get a proper solution, not a quick one, but a long-lasting solution that will help mankind. Musk might start it by providing the amount in hope that there are other Trillionaire out there to share his sentiment and start building solutions. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) No matter how much money is spent to solve the problem of world hunger, it will not completely solve the problem. But if many people change the mindset that controlling greed is very important and get involved in the problem of world hunger, it might be able to find a solution. Because the problem of world hunger is indeed very complicated and requires a lot of people involved to solve it. I agree with you, the problem of world hunger should indeed be found the right solution, not looking for a quick solution, so in the long term at least world hunger can be resolved. Regarding Elon Musk who will give some money, it will not solve the problem of hunger, but it can awaken other rich people, that we live in the world must help each other. Because after all humans are social creatures who need the help of others to live.
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November 09, 2021, 11:15:20 PM |
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This is really good that he does at least some good things along with manipulating the market but somehow in my mind I still think that he does this in order to increase his influence over people and strengthen his overall image, make himself appear cool, Elon the savior. This kind of intentions behind "kind" actions is what I really hate but it's better to do something kind rather than do nothing or bad.
I think if anyone truly wants to bring something good to this world will be to help the poor nations by giving them quality education that includes trade skills too, show them the European lifestyle to implement in their countries instead of huge corruption, nepotism... Then the hunger will be lessened hugely.
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November 11, 2021, 06:03:10 AM |
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In terms of human nature, whether this is only a few percent of Musk's total wealth, this is something most people cannot do. Musk's ability to take such a move is already very admirable and admirable. Although Musk’s donated assets are already a fortune, they are not enough to save the world’s hunger problem. Wars and disputes in some countries have not disappeared, and many people have been affected by the war. This cannot completely solve the fundamental problem. But in the end, I still want to praise Musk's behavior.
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November 11, 2021, 06:10:54 AM |
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Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.
[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statisticsI think what you said makes sense. In terms of donations, they may only be able to solve part of the superficial problems. They may return to their previous hungry environment after only a few meals. They need to solve the problem fundamentally. Letting them use their abilities to satisfy their food and clothing and teaching them how to make money is also the best way to save them. If you want to get some satisfaction, you have to work hard for it.
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November 11, 2021, 08:59:52 AM |
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That is a huge amount of money but I am not sure if it is worth selling the Tesla for the whole thing? I know, I know humanity before the immaterial things but honestly let’s not forget that Tesla is huge company and it feeds N-number of families around the globe. With Tesla all set to create more plants around the Asian countries it will also become amazing opportunistic Center for those Asian families.
I’m not sure why would he need to sell Tesla, if he can just give share from his personal wealth. I hope you guys understand what I really meant here. I support the donations and charities.
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Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.
While in most cases I agree with this, there are still many cases where you can teach them fish all day long with no use, 'cause they're in the middle of the desert. There are many who are too old to learn, there are many who live in areas they can't leave and where they can't "fish" (or they can, but won't catch anything). Those need simply food. Their kids need education though. In some extend 6 billon can resolve world hunger. But we have UN and other organization's fund, donations, global fundraising campaigns, charity etc. Then is not legitimate to say, apart from corporate tax Musk should spend more. Solution is not only about money is more than that. Is about technology, infrastructure, adress political instability, unemployment, climate change, disaster, etc. Because major reason for hunger is not lack of resources but accessibility. But to do it, we have to attack the problem at it's root cause. Because world hunger is much more than empty stomach.
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same. Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is but at least he do show off some care. Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out. I do also appreciate on what Elon had done. I think it's a risk that must be accepted because currently Elon is a person who is followed by many people and of course everything he does there must be someone who likes it and someone who doesn't. it's normal for him but if he wants to do something like that it's actually quite good, at least there are still people who want to do that and people who have excess wealth should at least be moved by what he's doing right now. regardless of whether this is an image or not, it doesn't matter the most important thing is having a desire to help others is a positive thing
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November 13, 2021, 11:13:39 AM |
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Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.
While in most cases I agree with this, there are still many cases where you can teach them fish all day long with no use, 'cause they're in the middle of the desert. There are many who are too old to learn, there are many who live in areas they can't leave and where they can't "fish" (or they can, but won't catch anything). Those need simply food. Their kids need education though. In some extend 6 billon can resolve world hunger. But we have UN and other organization's fund, donations, global fundraising campaigns, charity etc. Then is not legitimate to say, apart from corporate tax Musk should spend more. Solution is not only about money is more than that. Is about technology, infrastructure, adress political instability, unemployment, climate change, disaster, etc. Because major reason for hunger is not lack of resources but accessibility. But to do it, we have to attack the problem at it's root cause. Because world hunger is much more than empty stomach. It makes no sense to constantly feed, and at the expense of other people's money, countries or entire regions. I do not know countries where there are no resources at all, where it is impossible to build factories and plants. Whether for garbage processing, or for assembling simple products. The problem is not that you cannot build. The problem is they DON'T NEED it. Until we all figure it out, we'll play this fake charity. And those who can really start their own country, and the state of their environment - do not want this, since it is difficult. It's easier when they just brought you food and clothes, you don't have to strain, work - just take it and consume it! Do you say "west consumer society"? No, this is where the real bearers of absolute consumerism are in complete irresponsibility.
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November 13, 2021, 11:58:44 AM |
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I don't know the exact numbers to do so but I think that 6 billion isn't enough to completely solve world hunger. Unless they're seeing the short-term then it's probably going to work but to make a long-term impact, and what I mean by impact is that the solution can feed 3 to 4 generations then they're probably going to need a lot more than 6 billion.
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How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.
Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.
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November 15, 2021, 06:31:10 AM |
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~ you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger. And giving them money and money alone also isn't gonna solve their hunger and poverty, and probably that money won't last for even a week or two. The usual main reasons why they are in that specific situation is money, so for starters free proper education for the youth and free livelihood seminars for the adults and a job that is suited for them. And that will be a start to keep them surviving from hunger and eat thrice a day and eventually it can make this rise from the poverty if they manage it properly. Elon's mindset is good and it is indeed a good deed to be made, but in reality that $6 Billion isn't gonna solve the problem.
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November 15, 2021, 06:54:40 AM |
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Elon's mindset is good and it is indeed a good deed to be made, but in reality that $6 Billion isn't gonna solve the problem. I agree with you. I think Elon Musk's desire to help reduce world hunger is not in the amount of money he gives, but in his caring attitude towards people who need help because in reality not all rich people in the world want to do or have the same mindset as him in term of humanitarian assistance, it is much more valuable in my eyes because he has a sense of caring for others. Personally, I am amazed by Elon Musk's concern for his fellow human beings regardless of how many of his tweet have affected the crypto market both positively and negatively. This is a different case in my eyes.
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How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.
Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily. You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal. Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt.
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November 15, 2021, 02:08:41 PM |
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I was laughing reading this because if Elon Musk decides today that he is going to donate this money to my Country it won't reach some people because of the level of poverty in the economy not to talk of the whole world. Inflation rate as really affected many things which made some people to fall below the absolute poverty line.
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November 15, 2021, 02:21:26 PM |
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same. Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is but at least he do show off some care. Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out. I do also appreciate on what Elon had done. At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world. He's not. It's just a PR stunt. If you really want to help, you help. You don't need to broadcast it. PR stunt? You couldnt really tell because it is really just impossible that events like these wont really go to media knowing that Elon is the richest man on the world and every move you do make specially dealing off with big money and its impossible that no one would be noticing it but i do understand on your point about not telling everybody if you do really tend to make donation in silent but if that kind of fame and popularity level you do have then its less likely to happen. I disagree. Being rich and powerful actually gives you access to many more tools if you want to protect your identity. True, not everybody can donate 6 billion bucks, but if he really wanted to help he probably wouldn't need to, and a simple donation of that amount probably wouldn't make much of a difference. The problem is he's expected to do charity, and that's wrong. Lots of people feel they have a right to help others with someone else's money. Maybe they should use their own money to do that.
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November 15, 2021, 06:10:48 PM |
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How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.
Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily. You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal. Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt. You have a good point. $6B would not be enough as there are large number of countries who are experiencing poverty these days and can't even eat 3X a day. Instead of donating it literally for foods to solve world hunger which is definitely just a small amount, Elon could help the people even more through giving them sources of livelihood wherein they can feed their family and lessen poverty cases in the world. If Elon has this selfless intention to help, then his money and influence can create world change through prioritizing and giving the poor their stable jobs or good sources of income so they can work and create an income to sustain their family's needs. Some saying that this was a PR but i do think the different thing because they wouldnt really just make themselves marketing out on just having on this way which is really not very ethical if you do ask me on where using up a global problem situation for this kind of intention? that would surely backfire to him if there would really be someone would bust up but in overall thinking then it is what for? He's known to be the richest and i dont see anything even just trying to hype tesla or something like that. 6B could not resolve world hunger but with this amount then you could say that there would be lots that will really be able to eat.
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November 15, 2021, 10:15:51 PM |
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Being rich and powerful actually gives you access to many more tools if you want to protect your identity. True, not everybody can donate 6 billion bucks, but if he really wanted to help he probably wouldn't need to, and a simple donation of that amount probably wouldn't make much of a difference. The problem is he's expected to do charity, and that's wrong. Lots of people feel they have a right to help others with someone else's money. Maybe they should use their own money to do that.
He is not expected to donate his money, he is expected to pay decent taxes. If his company makes so much profit that he became the richest person in the world and made maybe close to 2x profit in under 2 years that means he should have paid a little bit more taxes? If he kept on paying taxes like the people in his company paid, then he would have half of what he has in wealth, not because his company can't afford anything, they would still be a very wealthy company, a 500+ billion dollar company even, but they would not be 1 trillion, and that's fine, don't be a trillion, be half a trillion and pay a ton of taxes. Not that they would have to pay that much taxes, that's "worth" of the company and not how much they have, they would have to pay 10-20-30 billion or whatever more, and that would be amazing if EVERY company did that. Workers pay more from their salary on % than companies pay on their income % so it is unfair. It is not donation, it is called a tax.
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