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December 04, 2011, 04:35:38 AM
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An interesting read: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57336223/pushed-out-occupy-movement-plans-next-move/

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Holding onto encampments like the one here proved here proved too difficult for the Occupy movement. Effective political organization could too, especially for a movement that prides itself on being decentralized.

But the question remains: How can a movement, who pride themselves on being decentralized and loath banks, not embrace Bitcoin?

If some Satoshi-Nakamoto-type individual came up with a Bitcoin-type currency while sitting on the park bench in the middle of Occupy LA, he'd be crown their guru. Yet, when they're approached with, "Bitcoin functions as a decentralized, peer-to-peer crypto-currency with a pseudonymous public transaction record" they scoff, turn away, and say, "Pass the hash pipe, Joe!"

Try wrapping your head around that truism!

But, perhaps, they'll come around. Let's hope it's before they nominate their first political candidate, envisioning someone resembling one of the avatars on this forum. I'm thinking of the one tokin' smoking the pipe.  Roll Eyes
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December 04, 2011, 04:58:48 AM
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Yeah but that would presume anyone takes them seriously... which is highly doubtful  Roll Eyes

They would be better off working, looking for a job, or making their on business, like the rest of us, then forcing the powers that be to do... something... they have never articulated in any coherent way.

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Most of the OWS do not match with Bitcoiners... Politically speaking that is... If they only knew how much they really have in common...

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I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

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Yeah but that would presume anyone takes them seriously... which is highly doubtful  Roll Eyes

They would be better off working, looking for a job, or making their on business, like the rest of us, then forcing the powers that be to do... something... they have never articulated in any coherent way.

Not that the news reporters haven't tried to expressed OWS' position in a coherent way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvkC4t2d9Ok

Most of the OWS do not match with Bitcoiners... Politically speaking that is... If they only knew how much they really have in common...

And that's sad! I lean conservative, yet making a nice profit reclaiming old wood, all the while passionate about Bitcoin, a libertarian-type idea. Now add a back drop of New Age music and allow me to show you pictures of me donning a dress. Currently lean atheist, yet last week prayed with a Jehovah Witness.

What I'm getting at is that one can't be decentralized and think open-source, yet alienate ideas all because of an ideology it may stem from. Are these people that fucked up?
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I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

This gives me hope. Sorry I've miss reading, or remembering, your such posts, for I would have been less inclined to pen my last post, above.
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I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

This gives me hope. Sorry I've miss reading, or remembering, your such posts, for I would have been less inclined to pen my last post, above.


That's fine if you've missed my posts. That is the key point of their use of Bitcoin. Transparency and Anonymity. Of course, a bunch of people protesting because they have no job and are fed up with the government can't just come up with the resources they have. The Occupy movement has a lot more backing than it appears on its facade.

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I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

This gives me hope. Sorry I've miss reading, or remembering, your such posts, for I would have been less inclined to pen my last post, above.


That's fine if you've missed my posts. That is the key point of their use of Bitcoin. Transparency and Anonymity. Of course, a bunch of people protesting because they have no job and are fed up with the government can't just come up with the resources they have. The Occupy movement has a lot more backing than it appears on its facade.

True! Via Bitcoin? and, possibly moreover, political interest. We know it's not Joe with his hash pipe pulling out $10 from his baggy pants, having it matched by his smoke buddy Rick, and together donating the $20 to the guys serving the free food and providing the free porta-johns. If I've read the articles correctly, these folks can't even pick up after themselves, leaving the public and privately provided venues a mess across the nation.
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I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

This gives me hope. Sorry I've miss reading, or remembering, your such posts, for I would have been less inclined to pen my last post, above.


That's fine if you've missed my posts. That is the key point of their use of Bitcoin. Transparency and Anonymity. Of course, a bunch of people protesting because they have no job and are fed up with the government can't just come up with the resources they have. The Occupy movement has a lot more backing than it appears on its facade.

True! Via Bitcoin? and, possibly moreover, political interest. We know it's not Joe with his hash pipe pulling out $10 from his baggy pants, having it matched by his smoke buddy Rick, and together donating the $20 to the guys serving the free food and providing the free porta-johns. If I've read the articles correctly, these folks can't even pick up after themselves, leaving the public and privately provided venues a mess across the nation.



That comment seems to have irritated me. You can't listen to most of the media's comments. They are living at these places, when they are evicted, with tear gas and bean bag pellets being used on them, how can they clean up an encampment. From what I've seen they are perfectly fine for a long term camp, considering. The hippy inference also annoys me, these are normal people who realize something is wrong, without getting into details, they are right. I'd tell you more, but I'm now done with you, and this thread.

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I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

This gives me hope. Sorry I've miss reading, or remembering, your such posts, for I would have been less inclined to pen my last post, above.


That's fine if you've missed my posts. That is the key point of their use of Bitcoin. Transparency and Anonymity. Of course, a bunch of people protesting because they have no job and are fed up with the government can't just come up with the resources they have. The Occupy movement has a lot more backing than it appears on its facade.

True! Via Bitcoin? and, possibly moreover, political interest. We know it's not Joe with his hash pipe pulling out $10 from his baggy pants, having it matched by his smoke buddy Rick, and together donating the $20 to the guys serving the free food and providing the free porta-johns. If I've read the articles correctly, these folks can't even pick up after themselves, leaving the public and privately provided venues a mess across the nation.


Meh, all depends on who's doing the reporting. Gerald Celente (I admit, he's disturbingly socialist for my taste) walked around OWS with a camera and didn't seem to find it dirty. Other non-MSM sources report similarly.

I think I know where you're coming from, and I'm not gung-ho about the entire thing either, but you might want to check out some of the more objective (read: NOT rah-rah-OWS) videos on Youtube. Maybe start with user sgtbull07, then check out whatever related ones you like.

Even the participants who are disagreeable are pretty instructive... for example, I'm pretty dismayed by the people (vocal, but hopefully few in number) who literally just want the government to print money for all, not understanding the implications. But I've known about economic basics for so long I guess I forget it is not universal knowledge.

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The thing I like about bitcoin is that people here are actually trying to do something about the sorry state of affairs rather than just complain.  For the most part, OWS is doing little more than bring attention to the fact that there are problems (something the financial industry itself was already doing quite well on its own).  And I imagine a significant portion of the protestors would happily accept some kind of payoff by the gov't or banks just to make them go away without bringing about any real change…which would make them little better than extortionists.

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Yeah but that would presume anyone takes them seriously... which is highly doubtful  Roll Eyes

They would be better off working, looking for a job, or making their on business, like the rest of us, then forcing the powers that be to do... something... they have never articulated in any coherent way.
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December 04, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
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A few weeks back, I created a topic thread titled "Bitcoin and OWS - A Match Made in Heaven?"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53160.msg633296#msg633296

I was pondering the same thing, got some interesting responses.

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A few weeks back, I created a topic thread titled "Bitcoin and OWS - A Match Made in Heaven?"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53160.msg633296#msg633296

I was pondering the same thing, got some interesting responses.

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I truly was looking for such a thread prior to me starting a new one. If I would have found this, I would not have started another one. Sorry for the overlap, folks.


I've said this in other threads, but any of the Anonymous (the hacktivist group) funding is done through BTC. I'm aware of an OWS fund, and OO (oakland) and a general Occupy fund. How do you think they get their tents, food, supplies? Thousands of dollars have moved through those accounts.

This gives me hope. Sorry I've miss reading, or remembering, your such posts, for I would have been less inclined to pen my last post, above.


That's fine if you've missed my posts. That is the key point of their use of Bitcoin. Transparency and Anonymity. Of course, a bunch of people protesting because they have no job and are fed up with the government can't just come up with the resources they have. The Occupy movement has a lot more backing than it appears on its facade.

True! Via Bitcoin? and, possibly moreover, political interest. We know it's not Joe with his hash pipe pulling out $10 from his baggy pants, having it matched by his smoke buddy Rick, and together donating the $20 to the guys serving the free food and providing the free porta-johns. If I've read the articles correctly, these folks can't even pick up after themselves, leaving the public and privately provided venues a mess across the nation.


That comment seems to have irritated me. You can't listen to most of the media's comments. They are living at these places, when they are evicted, with tear gas and bean bag pellets being used on them, how can they clean up an encampment. From what I've seen they are perfectly fine for a long term camp, considering. The hippy inference also annoys me, these are normal people who realize something is wrong, without getting into details, they are right. I'd tell you more, but I'm now done with you, and this thread.

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(I'm sending legolouman a PM after I pen this post)

Time for me to apologize, again! Regardless of what others have so far commented on your post (quoted), personally I have to say that YOUR SPOT ON!, although I do find your last sentence irritating, of which I will address at the end of this post.

That's really fucked up on my part by implying and/or characterizing the whole group as hippies, drug users, pigs, etc., when I (and us) are taken aback when Bitcoiners are characterized as a whole due to a Silk-Road-type article or other negative press.

Each time I viewed the pepper spraying (yes, I've truly viewed them several times), my insides boil with anger. THAT IS TRULY FUCKED UP!

The other good point you've made is that they're kicked out from the encampment, having no way to clean up the mess for if they really wanted to, for they would, again, be pepper sprayed, then arrested.

In short, my point(s) of reference was influenced by only a small handful of articles and short videos I've recently read/seen online. That said, I need to retract my off-based post, for I now feel that it's somewhat not appropriate.

Here's the olive branch: For your discomfort (not a snide reference), I took the liberty to donate 1 BTC to Bitcoin100 in your name, legolouman. Please advise me otherwise if I shouldn't have done that.

As promised, one last thing.

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but I'm now done with you, and this thread.

I feel sad that you feel this way after expressing your valid points concerning OWS and the calling of me out. Your unique insight on this issue would certainly shed a better light on what's happening in regards to OWS. And don't be done with me. I want you, or others, to STICK IT UP MY ASS if and when I'm wrong. I need YOU TO STICK IT UP MY ASS. Perhaps, after awhile, I'll learn to like it and book a flight to Pattaya. I heard there may be a convention there. (last 2 sentences in this post were the only 2 that's not serious)

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Time for me to apologize, again! Regardless of what others have so far commented on your post (quoted), personally I have to say that YOUR SPOT ON!, although I do find your last sentence irritating, of which I will address at the end of this post.

That's really fucked up on my part by implying and/or characterizing the whole group as hippies, drug users, pigs, etc., when I (and us) are taken aback when Bitcoiners are characterized as a whole due to a Silk-Road-type article or other negative press.

Each time I viewed the pepper spraying (yes, I've truly viewed them several times), my insides boil with anger. THAT IS TRULY FUCKED UP!

The other good point you've made is that they're kicked out from the encampment, having no way to clean up the mess for if they really wanted to, for they would, again, be pepper sprayed, then arrested.

In short, my point(s) of reference was influenced by only a small handful of articles and short videos I've recently read/seen online. That said, I need to retract my off-based post, for I now feel that it's somewhat not appropriate.

Here's the olive branch: For your discomfort (not a snide reference), I took the liberty to donate 1 BTC to Bitcoin100 in your name, legolouman. Please advise me otherwise if I shouldn't have done that.

As promised, one last thing.

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but I'm now done with you, and this thread.

I feel sad that you feel this way after expressing your valid points concerning OWS and the calling of me out. Your unique insight on this issue would certainly shed a better light on what's happening in regards to OWS. And don't be done with me. I want you, or others, to STICK IT UP MY ASS if and when I'm wrong. I need YOU TO STICK IT UP MY ASS. Perhaps, after awhile, I'll learn to like it and book a flight to Pattaya. I heard there may be a convention there. (last 2 sentences in this post were the only 2 that's not serious)

Peace, Bruno


I don't know what to say. I was unaware of the Bitcoin 100 project, and how good at heart you really are. Let me try to get this out.

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True! Via Bitcoin? and, possibly moreover, political interest. We know it's not Joe with his hash pipe pulling out $10 from his baggy pants, having it matched by his smoke buddy Rick, and together donating the $20 to the guys serving the free food and providing the free porta-johns. If I've read the articles correctly, these folks can't even pick up after themselves, leaving the public and privately provided venues a mess across the nation.

When I read that, I took it as ignorance. Ignorance, that is shared by most of the world. Ignorance that is used on the Protesters, comparing them to hippies, slobs, and freeloaders. Those protesters, as I've said, have guts. They have the guts no one else has to stand up and say 'This isn't right!' When I read that, I felt an attitude pointing out that they don't deserve the respect they should have. Comparing the usage of BTC users-Silkroad users and Occupy-hippies was a good way to put it.

As for other info and my opinions, I'd rather not get into them yet in this post.

I feel the need to apologize, as I was unaware of the Bitcoin 100 project. I didn't know that your off key comments were coming from someone who has a good heart. I'm honored that you donated to the Bitcoin 100 project on behalf of me. I almost feel that I don't deserve it, as I'm only stating facts. I feel that people should be informed, as to the misinformation that the press seems to be doing lately.

Thank you, and as I see it fit, I'm sorry.

As for the Occupy stuff. The Macing of the students (I assume is the video you were referring to), is entirely pathetic. It wasn't even a single spray, I'm told the officer unloaded the entire can onto them.

I'd like to add one more thing into this post, as to police brutality. This was a 'harmless beanbag round'

I'd also like to add the OWS donate address.

1N2Vd3GKcnS4Soaa8NXP4NWhri15fvebFM (from http://www.occupywallst.org/donate/)


Thank you for your time and consideration. I feel as if I owe you. Not to mention the new found respect for this thread, and everyone in it a bit more. I will enjoy sticking it in your ass (couldn't resist).
If you find it necessary Bruno, apology accepted.

Edit-I typed Bruce (because I am a derp)

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+1

(I'm sending legolouman a PM after I pen this post)

Time for me to apologize, again! Regardless of what others have so far commented on your post (quoted), personally I have to say that YOUR SPOT ON!, although I do find your last sentence irritating, of which I will address at the end of this post.

That's really fucked up on my part by implying and/or characterizing the whole group as hippies, drug users, pigs, etc., when I (and us) are taken aback when Bitcoiners are characterized as a whole due to a Silk-Road-type article or other negative press.

Each time I viewed the pepper spraying (yes, I've truly viewed them several times), my insides boil with anger. THAT IS TRULY FUCKED UP!

The other good point you've made is that they're kicked out from the encampment, having no way to clean up the mess for if they really wanted to, for they would, again, be pepper sprayed, then arrested.

In short, my point(s) of reference was influenced by only a small handful of articles and short videos I've recently read/seen online. That said, I need to retract my off-based post, for I now feel that it's somewhat not appropriate.

Here's the olive branch: For your discomfort (not a snide reference), I took the liberty to donate 1 BTC to Bitcoin100 in your name, legolouman. Please advise me otherwise if I shouldn't have done that.

As promised, one last thing.

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but I'm now done with you, and this thread.

I feel sad that you feel this way after expressing your valid points concerning OWS and the calling of me out. Your unique insight on this issue would certainly shed a better light on what's happening in regards to OWS. And don't be done with me. I want you, or others, to STICK IT UP MY ASS if and when I'm wrong. I need YOU TO STICK IT UP MY ASS. Perhaps, after awhile, I'll learn to like it and book a flight to Pattaya. I heard there may be a convention there. (last 2 sentences in this post were the only 2 that's not serious)

Peace, Bruno


I don't know what to say. I was unaware of the Bitcoin 100 project, and how good at heart you really are. Let me try to get this out.

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True! Via Bitcoin? and, possibly moreover, political interest. We know it's not Joe with his hash pipe pulling out $10 from his baggy pants, having it matched by his smoke buddy Rick, and together donating the $20 to the guys serving the free food and providing the free porta-johns. If I've read the articles correctly, these folks can't even pick up after themselves, leaving the public and privately provided venues a mess across the nation.

When I read that, I took it as ignorance. Ignorance, that is shared by most of the world. Ignorance that is used on the Protesters, comparing them to hippies, slobs, and freeloaders. Those protesters, as I've said, have guts. They have the guts no one else has to stand up and say 'This isn't right!' When I read that, I felt an attitude pointing out that they don't deserve the respect they should have. Comparing the usage of BTC users-Silkroad users and Occupy-hippies was a good way to put it.

As for other info and my opinions, I'd rather not get into them yet in this post.

I feel the need to apologize, as I was unaware of the Bitcoin 100 project. I didn't know that your off key comments were coming from someone who has a good heart. I'm honored that you donated to the Bitcoin 100 project on behalf of me. I almost feel that I don't deserve it, as I'm only stating facts. I feel that people should be informed, as to the misinformation that the press seems to be doing lately.

Thank you, and as I see it fit, I'm sorry.

As for the Occupy stuff. The Macing of the students (I assume is the video you were referring to), is entirely pathetic. It wasn't even a single spray, I'm told the officer unloaded the entire can onto them.

I'd like to add one more thing into this post, as to police brutality. This was a 'harmless beanbag round'

I'd also like to add the OWS donate address.

1N2Vd3GKcnS4Soaa8NXP4NWhri15fvebFM (from http://www.occupywallst.org/donate/)

Thank you for your time and consideration. I feel as if I owe you. Not to mention the new found respect for this thread, and everyone in it a bit more. I will enjoy sticking it in your ass (couldn't resist).
If you find it necessary Bruce, apology accepted.

First off, Bruce is my brother (really do have a brother named Bruce) and he doesn't have anything to do with Bitcoin at this time. I'm Bruno. (I know it was only a typo, so don't fret it).

As I just replied to your kind PM, no apology is needed on your part. The way I see it, a nerve was hit, therefore a reaction, at that time, was warranted on your part. I can easily state, and would be true, that I was getting tired when I penned that post, but that wouldn't be a fair excuse. Nevertheless, the issue is behind us and we can move forward.

One more thing. All because I'm currently evolved with a worthy casue--Bitcoin100 (not Bitcoin 100--where the hell did you learn to read and write?  Wink)--doesn't mean you need to be light on me. Sometime in the future I may feel strongly about an issue which may be totally opposite your stance and you can't afford to not express your opinion because I'm attached to a worthy cause. (hope this makes sense to you, among others, and can see the jest of this paragraph)

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Reply @Bruno.

Yeah, not sure where I got the Bruce... I'll edit the post, sorreh.
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December 05, 2011, 05:47:31 AM
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And that's sad! I lean conservative, yet making a nice profit reclaiming old wood, all the while passionate about Bitcoin, a libertarian-type idea. Now add a back drop of New Age music and allow me to show you pictures of me donning a dress. Currently lean atheist, yet last week prayed with a Jehovah Witness.

What I'm getting at is that one can't be decentralized and think open-source, yet alienate ideas all because of an ideology it may stem from. Are these people that fucked up?

It may be that socialists distrust capitalism and the price system it is based on.

To a capitalist, there is no down-side to bitcoin: the decentralized model has a real chance of just letting the "invisible hand" of the free-market work.

We all hate the banks. But, when you tell a socialist that the solution is to start their own bank (read: small business), they will be skeptical. When capital concentrates, it becomes coercive.

On the rival thread thing: would a merge be possible?

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December 05, 2011, 05:52:29 AM
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I'd like to add one more thing into this post, as to police brutality. This was a 'harmless beanbag round'

Beanbag rounds aren't supposed to be harmless.  They are non-lethal.

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