I'm Back, Mt.Gox Just Returned 22 BTC of Mine

[KanoKano]

Obviously the community here is not as supportive and friendly towards one another as it once was back in 2009. Which makes sense, Bitcoin was more exciting back then, by every sense of imagination. Thinking back on it, everyone was more interested in the fundamentals of the technology instead of the market potential. Now it's become some evangelist, archetype, hierarchy control, rebellion anarchist sensation where people forgot what we were trying to build in the beginning. What the hell is Bitcoin Cash and all these other branches, soft-fork, hard-fork. IMO Bitcoin would have been at $1m a coin by now if you didn't desecrate Satoshi's original vision. Totally threw off the brand and potential for a singular widely adopted digital currency. Way too complicated now the technology is dead. I'm moving on.

[cabron]

Obviously the community here is not as supportive and friendly towards one another as it once was back in 2009. Which makes sense, Bitcoin was more exciting back then, by every sense of imagination. Thinking back on it, everyone was more interested in the fundamentals of the technology instead of the market potential. Now it's become some evangelist, archetype, hierarchy control, rebellion anarchist sensation where people forgot what we were trying to build in the beginning. What the hell is Bitcoin Cash and all these other branches, soft-fork, hard-fork. IMO Bitcoin would have been at $1m a coin by now if you didn't desecrate Satoshi's original vision. Totally threw off the brand and potential for a singular widely adopted digital currency. Way too complicated now the technology is dead. I'm moving on.

Is Ver going to distribute the free coins from forking if he is praised?
If Gox sent back your 22BTC then good. You can celebrate, you don't need the emails of the users here to celebrate that. Yep moving on is the way to go.
If you really have the passion to share valuable information, the forum is meant for it. Share it with the forum users. Don't ask for emails.

[KanoKano]

Look the only reason I added my email list is because you asked about what I went through. I'm not going to re-write it out or make a video specifically for this forum, if you're interested go ahead no one's stopping you. You can read my emails sent from Kano and you either like it or you don't. But guess what, Bitcoin is here to stay. We can all agree on that, it's not going anywhere at least for a while. China banned cryptocurrency mining and is it a hazard to be running mining farms around the world that are contributing to global energy consumption? Without a doubt...

This is stuff you probably already know or run into at least once a week as Bitcoin weekly digest subscriber, but it's what I like to talk about and I'm sure there's at least one of you that share the same views. Yeah, I think the  Bitcoin forks were a huge mistake. And probably the whole mining thing isn't good for the environment, and as more countries find the inherent and apparent problems of Bitcoin and similar virtual currencies, they'll begin to dislike it more and more. Is it truly anonymous to send and receive Bitcoin? Not entirely since the ledger is published and it's not hard to follow where coins go once they go into a wallet address, so there's obviously a lot of innovation that needs to be done but forks were not the best approach in my opinion.

You can check it out so you know I'm not full of chit.

Until now all you've proven is that you have the potential to benefit (financially) from those stories you started with.
Until now you should have understood that until proven, all those things you said are "science fiction", but you still didn't prove anything.
You may lure some newbies here and there, but with this kind of start it may take even longer to actually build the reputation you aim for. However, it's your choice.

Until now you didn't give any reason to anyone to believe you. (And of course, for now I also don't believe you.)

Can't we have a civilized conversation instead of attacking one another? That's not how you talk to people man.. You don't just start pointing flaws or trying to pick apart someone just because they're trying to have a conversation.

What do you think about this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJUUw3piMl8

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[NeuroticFish]

Can't we have a civilized conversation instead of attacking one another? That's not how you talk to people man.. You don't just start pointing flaws or trying to pick apart someone just because they're trying to have a conversation.

The aim of pointing out the flaws is to help you see what you should fix.
There's one saying where I live: "when two different people tells you you're drunk, you better go and get some sleep". Unfortunately for you, I'm at least the third one telling that you're not doing it right. ...And it's still you the one claiming that I'm "attacking you".

I've seen too many stories here. And unless proven, I read them like... novels. Yours is not different. And even more, it turns more and more into something that can affect (in a bad way) those who may believe you.
Until now I didn't support the flag against you because I somehow hoped... I don't know what. But you've convinced me I should wait no longer.

[sovie]

Can't we have a civilized conversation instead of attacking one another?

We can have a normal conversation, just as we have right to express our opinions.
My opinion is that you are an ordinary troll trying to get attention to sell or just advertise something. Just because I don't see any other reason why you would open this thread.

[examplens]

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You probably can't explain how exactly is Mt.Gox ^{from the OP} related to all of your exposition here?
you still haven't posted any evidence or confirmation that it is indeed true what you claim in the first post. You started with a fabrication to get subscribers to the newsletter and promoted an empty website.
don't you think it all discredits you?

[onceuponatime]

Just got 54.7 BTC from MtGox. If you do not believe me you are new to this crypto thing and you probably in this for money, not the fun of it...

[sovie]

Just got 54.7 BTC from MtGox. If you do not believe me you are new to this crypto thing and you probably in this for money, not the fun of it...

Congratulations! Could you please show the address to which you received the return and sign a message. Then I would be happy to celebrate it with you. Unfortunately, but without such proof, I can only presume that you are telling the truth. I hope that you understand me?

[KanoKano]

Just got 54.7 BTC from MtGox. If you do not believe me you are new to this crypto thing and you probably in this for money, not the fun of it...

Congratulations! Could you please show the address to which you received the return and sign a message. Then I would be happy to celebrate it with you. Unfortunately, but without such proof, I can only presume that you are telling the truth. I hope that you understand me?

You're wrong. Bitcoin is a global monetary system function independent of any central monetary authority and is based on blockchain technology. The blockchain is a record-keeping system that makes it impossible to reverse, change, delete, or manipulate the data once recorded. All the transactional data recorded are duplicated and distributed across the computer systems network that supports the bitcoin blockchain connected through peer-to-peer nodes.

Therefore, making it a fully immutable and trustless system. In other words, it’s completely unhackable, tamper-proof, and one has to trust nobody to complete the transaction in the system.

[sovie]

Just got 54.7 BTC from MtGox. If you do not believe me you are new to this crypto thing and you probably in this for money, not the fun of it...

Congratulations! Could you please show the address to which you received the return and sign a message. Then I would be happy to celebrate it with you. Unfortunately, but without such proof, I can only presume that you are telling the truth. I hope that you understand me?

You're wrong. Bitcoin is a global monetary system function independent of any central monetary authority and is based on blockchain technology. The blockchain is a record-keeping system that makes it impossible to reverse, change, delete, or manipulate the data once recorded. All the transactional data recorded are duplicated and distributed across the computer systems network that supports the bitcoin blockchain connected through peer-to-peer nodes.

Therefore, making it a fully immutable and trustless system. In other words, it’s completely unhackable, tamper-proof, and one has to trust nobody to complete the transaction in the system.

You described Blockchain perfectly well and I totally agree with you.
However, I don't care if the transaction is real or not, because I believe it is. My point is whether the words written here are true or not and this can be confirmed by signing a message from the address with 54.7 BTC from MtGox.

[KanoKano]

Just got 54.7 BTC from MtGox. If you do not believe me you are new to this crypto thing and you probably in this for money, not the fun of it...

Congratulations! Could you please show the address to which you received the return and sign a message. Then I would be happy to celebrate it with you. Unfortunately, but without such proof, I can only presume that you are telling the truth. I hope that you understand me?

You're wrong. Bitcoin is a global monetary system function independent of any central monetary authority and is based on blockchain technology. The blockchain is a record-keeping system that makes it impossible to reverse, change, delete, or manipulate the data once recorded. All the transactional data recorded are duplicated and distributed across the computer systems network that supports the bitcoin blockchain connected through peer-to-peer nodes.

Therefore, making it a fully immutable and trustless system. In other words, it’s completely unhackable, tamper-proof, and one has to trust nobody to complete the transaction in the system.

You described Blockchain perfectly well and I totally agree with you.
However, I don't care if the transaction is real or not, because I believe it is. My point is whether the words written here are true or not and this can be confirmed by signing a message from the address with 54.7 BTC from MtGox.

Look I wish I knew who Satoshi Nakamoto is so I could share it with you, but the identity of the person or persons who created the technology is still a mystery. Bitcoin offers the promise of lower transaction fees than traditional online payment mechanisms and is operated by a decentralized authority, unlike government-issued currencies.

There are no physical bitcoins, only balances kept on a public ledger that everyone has transparent access to, that – along with all Bitcoin transactions – is verified by a massive amount of computing power. Bitcoins are not issued or backed by any banks or governments, nor are individual bitcoins valuable as a commodity. Despite it not being legal tender, Bitcoin charts high on popularity, and has triggered the launch of hundreds of other virtual currencies collectively referred to as Ripple. Etc.

Bitcoin is powered by a technology called a blockchain. To understand Bitcoin, you must understand a little bit about the technology in order to make a wise choice for your investment strategy.

A blockchain is a public database that shows all transactions, with user privacy protected by “cryptography”.

There are many types of blockchains, and many types of coins.

Since Bitcoin was created, there have been hundreds of more coins brought to the market, many of which are cheaper, faster, and more efficient.

For example, Litecoin processes at 56 transactions per second. Newer faster blockchains like EOS can process hundreds of thousands of transactions per second.

In terms of utility, Bitcoin only processes 7 transactions per second.

So you may be wondering, why is the price of Bitcoin so high?

There are lots of reasons, such as the fact that it was the first coin, it has brand recognition, and you can use to buy services on some internet websites.

But other coins like Litecoin and Bitcoin Cash are catching up.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Dear KanoKano,

Here, sovie asks another member to provide them a signed message of the address they've stated they got 54.7 BTC:

Congratulations! Could you please show the address to which you received the return and sign a message. Then I would be happy to celebrate it with you. Unfortunately, but without such proof, I can only presume that you are telling the truth. I hope that you understand me?

Here, you say that sovie is wrong and then you explain them what's Bitcoin while that's off-topic:

You're wrong. Bitcoin is a global monetary system function independent of any central monetary authority and is based on blockchain technology. The blockchain is a record-keeping system that makes it impossible to reverse, change, delete, or manipulate the data once recorded. All the transactional data recorded are duplicated and distributed across the computer systems network that supports the bitcoin blockchain connected through peer-to-peer nodes.

Therefore, making it a fully immutable and trustless system. In other words, it’s completely unhackable, tamper-proof, and one has to trust nobody to complete the transaction in the system.

Here, sovie repeats that they want to verify onceuponatime's sayings and that your reply wasn't related with the topic.

You described Blockchain perfectly well and I totally agree with you.
However, I don't care if the transaction is real or not, because I believe it is. My point is whether the words written here are true or not and this can be confirmed by signing a message from the address with 54.7 BTC from MtGox.

And here, you reply by stating that you don't know who's Satoshi Nakamoto and that bitcoins aren't physical:

Look I wish I knew who Satoshi Nakamoto is so I could share it with you [...]

There are no physical bitcoins [...]

Focus.


You've also left unsettled the post of dkbit98, where he exposes yourself.

[sovie]

Dear KanoKano,
...
Focus.

Thank you for your help in explaining this, because I already thought that I don't know what's going on and I'm speaking in some other language.

I meant exactly how you described it. But I don't know if it still has any meaning .. 

[sovie]

Dear KanoKano,
...
Focus.

Thank you for your help in explaining this, because I already thought that I don't know what's going on and I'm speaking in some other language.

I meant exactly how you described it. But I don't know if it still has any meaning .. 

"Bet on your favorite sports and esports using bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on 1xBit. Quick registration. Welcome bonuses."  1xBit.com is one of the bitcoin betting sites where everyone can earn bitcoins. Okay I'll take a wild guess, you sign up and you automatically get Bitcoins deposited into your wallet am I right?

Looks like you've been away from this forum for a really long time. What you see in my signature is a casino advertisement. I take part in a promotional campaign (Signature Campaign) for which I get payment in BTC for my activity on Bitcointalk. You can read about the details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5367666.0

[KanoKano]

Dear KanoKano,
...
Focus.

Thank you for your help in explaining this, because I already thought that I don't know what's going on and I'm speaking in some other language.

I meant exactly how you described it. But I don't know if it still has any meaning .. 

"Bet on your favorite sports and esports using bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on 1xBit. Quick registration. Welcome bonuses."  1xBit.com is one of the bitcoin betting sites where everyone can earn bitcoins. Okay I'll take a wild guess, you sign up and you automatically get Bitcoins deposited into your wallet am I right?

Looks like you've been away from this forum for a really long time. What you see in my signature is a casino advertisement. I take part in a promotional campaign (Signature Campaign) for which I get payment in BTC for my activity on Bitcointalk. You can read about the details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5367666.0

The truth is that, depending on your plan, bitcoin may be either an investment or a gamble. If you're buying cryptocurrency with the express intention of becoming wealthy overnight, you're gambling. However, if you honestly feel that Bitcoin is the way of the future and that it will be there for decades, purchasing it now may be considered an investment.

It's preferable to take a long-term strategic approach to investing, regardless of where you decide to put your money. Don't buy something you won't be able to hold for at least a few years, if not decades. In the short term, cryptocurrency is incredibly volatile. However, if you believe in its potential, you may make a lot of money if it succeeds.

Even if you're investing in generally safe areas, there will always be some risk involved. However, becoming a successful investor necessitates taking measured and educated risks, and cryptocurrency is no exception.

Investing your life wealth in cryptocurrencies is unquestionably a risk. There are, however, methods for investing in Bitcoin in a more measured and secure manner.

[OgNasty]

You wouldn't be here if you had 22 BTC.  

You'd be off buying Yachts and Mansions and Bugatis etc.

 

Imagine thinking that someone would have over a million dollars invested in an asset and then not follow it's development.  

It's always really weird to me when people think that if someone has some money then they must be out spending it.  That's just not how being rich works...

I was once given great advice about people.  Here it is...


If you need money, don't ask a rich man.  He didn't get rich giving away money.  Ask a poor man.  He will give you the shirt off his back.
If you need help, don't ask someone with nothing to do.  They do nothing.  Ask a busy person.  They will always find time to do a job.


I repeat this advice only to say that if someone has 22 BTC today, they have no desire to spend it on yachts.  It is clear their motivation was never about the money in the first place or they would have cashed out long ago.  You have to have a passion for Bitcoin and a desire to help change the world for the better to be holding at this point.  Otherwise you probably spent all your Bitcoin and are mad at whoever accepted it as payment to deflect from your own personal responsibility.  

As for mtgox...  No, obviously nobody has gotten their money back yet.  Although it does look like Q2 of next year is a possibility.

[decodx]

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The truth is, I sensed something fishy about your posts. As it turns out, my suspicions were well-founded.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg58381210#msg58381210

Enjoy your time off, KanoKano.