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November 15, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
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My recommendation is to sign them a message with your address; that will prove it's, indeed, you who made the mistake and not just another individual who claims that. They're not forced to refund you, but if you stand lucky, they may do.

To sign a message, open up Electrum -> Click on the addresses tab (if it's not shown click on View -> Show Addresses) -> Find 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo, right click to it and then sign a message.

You should then contact them as following:
Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
<HERE_ADD_YOUR_MESSAGE>
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo
<HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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November 15, 2021, 03:58:09 PM
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My recommendation is to sign them a message with your address; that will prove it's, indeed, you who made the mistake and not just another individual who claims that. They're not forced to refund you, but if you stand lucky, they may do.

To sign a message, open up Electrum -> Click on the addresses tab (if it's not shown click on View -> Show Addresses) -> Find 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo, right click to it and then sign a message.

You should then contact them as following:
Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
<HERE_ADD_YOUR_MESSAGE>
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo
<HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

is this wallet refers to WL?

thanks.
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November 15, 2021, 04:03:54 PM
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is this wallet refers to WL?

Are you asking if you should refer Electrum to WikiLeaks? No, there's no reason to do that.

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November 15, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
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is this wallet refers to WL?

thanks.

It should be the wallet address you have sent the donation from.

Was https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c indeed you transaction? Is 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo your address? Then this is what you should use.

You should sign a message with that wallet because it's the only proper way to know that it was indeed you the one who has sent that donation.
Without this bit it can be anybody asking them to return donations, just for the fun of it. So this approach (with signing the message) should give your request much more credibility, because it's only you who can do that.

I suggest something like:

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hi, I donated to Wikileaks today 2021-11-15 from the address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo the equivalent of 5000 USD and I meant to send only 50 USD. See transaction ID a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c. I would ask you kindly to return the difference caused by my mistake, if possible, to my bitcoin address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo
<HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

(Only) your wallet should be able to sign the message using address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
You may post it here first so we can verify it.

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November 15, 2021, 04:23:23 PM
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Understood. but why should i assign this message to my address?
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November 15, 2021, 04:30:11 PM
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Understood. but why should i assign this message to my address?

It basically proves that you are the owner of that particular address. Otherwise, they would not be able to tell if you are not just a random person who wants to take your donation away.
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November 15, 2021, 04:39:51 PM
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is this wallet refers to WL?

thanks.

It should be the wallet address you have sent the donation from.

Was https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c indeed you transaction? Is 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo your address? Then this is what you should use.

You should sign a message with that wallet because it's the only proper way to know that it was indeed you the one who has sent that donation.
Without this bit it can be anybody asking them to return donations, just for the fun of it. So this approach (with signing the message) should give your request much more credibility, because it's only you who can do that.

I suggest something like:

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hi, I donated to Wikileaks today 2021-11-15 from the address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo the equivalent of 5000 USD and I meant to send only 50 USD. See transaction ID a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c. I would ask you kindly to return the difference caused by my mistake, if possible, to my bitcoin address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo
<HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

(Only) your wallet should be able to sign the message using address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
You may post it here first so we can verify it.



Great, thanks!
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November 15, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
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2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address...
Yeah, that's not going to work in this case. Wikileaks expects donations, so anything you send their way, be it $50 or $5000, is an amount they would think you wanted to donate. The only correct way to approach this situation is to get in touch with someone from the movement, explain what happened, sign a message like other users suggested to prove you were the one who made the transaction, and ask to speak with someone who accepts and handles donations. Once the connection has been established, ask if they can refund you the difference and hopefully they will. It might take a while, but I am sure they aren't going to take any money that was wrongly sent to them and requested to be returned with proof of ownership.

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2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address...
Yeah, that's not going to work in this case. Wikileaks expects donations, so anything you send their way, be it $50 or $5000, is an amount they would think you wanted to donate. The only correct way to approach this situation is to get in touch with someone from the movement, explain what happened, sign a message like other users suggested to prove you were the one who made the transaction, and ask to speak with someone who accepts and handles donations. Once the connection has been established, ask if they can refund you the difference and hopefully they will. It might take a while, but I am sure they aren't going to take any money that was wrongly sent to them and requested to be returned with proof of ownership.

The problem is to find this person, all contacts i ve tried to reach by phone a switched off, it is more likely they will not answer me on twitter too.
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November 15, 2021, 06:30:04 PM
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2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address...
Yeah, that's not going to work in this case. Wikileaks expects donations, so anything you send their way, be it $50 or $5000, is an amount they would think you wanted to donate. The only correct way to approach this situation is to get in touch with someone from the movement, explain what happened, sign a message like other users suggested to prove you were the one who made the transaction, and ask to speak with someone who accepts and handles donations. Once the connection has been established, ask if they can refund you the difference and hopefully they will. It might take a while, but I am sure they aren't going to take any money that was wrongly sent to them and requested to be returned with proof of ownership.

The problem is to find this person, all contacts i ve tried to reach by phone a switched off, it is more likely they will not answer me on twitter too.

At least the chance is there.
You must exhaust all possible means of contact.
If you can reach someone in charge of the finances through any of their channels and tell them about it, I can't imagine that Wikileaks will refuse to give the money back, if you can prove that it comes from you...

I wish you every success and would be pleased if you report how it turned out.

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The problem is to find this person, all contacts i ve tried to reach by phone a switched off, it is more likely they will not answer me on twitter too.
if you haven't contacted them via email, try to send it. There is no appropriate email address for your issue but you can try to send it to volunteers@wikileaks.org, as a start.

Make sure you add the signed message on the mail and state your issue clearly. I don't know how long they will respond to your inquires, but if after some days they haven't responded yet. Try to send the email to another address(press@wikileaks.org).

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November 15, 2021, 07:36:01 PM
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is this wallet refers to WL?

thanks.

It should be the wallet address you have sent the donation from.

Was https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c indeed you transaction? Is 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo your address? Then this is what you should use.

You should sign a message with that wallet because it's the only proper way to know that it was indeed you the one who has sent that donation.
Without this bit it can be anybody asking them to return donations, just for the fun of it. So this approach (with signing the message) should give your request much more credibility, because it's only you who can do that.

I suggest something like:

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hi, I donated to Wikileaks today 2021-11-15 from the address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo the equivalent of 5000 USD and I meant to send only 50 USD. See transaction ID a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c. I would ask you kindly to return the difference caused by my mistake, if possible, to my bitcoin address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo
<HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

(Only) your wallet should be able to sign the message using address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
You may post it here first so we can verify it.


I have to post a signature to verify it?
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November 15, 2021, 07:43:22 PM
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I have to post a signature to verify it?

Yes. The signature should go where now we have <HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
The signature is generated by your wallet when you do "sign message" (and depends on the wallet used).

As an example you can look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg58393309#msg58393309

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November 15, 2021, 07:55:59 PM
Merited by o_e_l_e_o (4), RickDeckard (4), LoyceV (2)
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I have to post a signature to verify it?

Yes. The signature should go where now we have <HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED>
The signature is generated by your wallet when you do "sign message" (and depends on the wallet used).

As an example you can look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg58393309#msg58393309

Signing address:
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo

Message:
Hi, I donated to Wikileaks today 2021-11-15 from the address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo the equivalent of 5000 USD and I meant to send only 50 USD. See transaction ID a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c. I would ask you kindly to return the difference caused by my mistake, if possible, to my bitcoin address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.


Signature:
H9EoG9dhqCis1zO4U5KSk+oXUJT1SaMbCtm7OOEQMvLmQdgW6YcMe2FNztp0H98UYUV4JM7VLqwTlyZ418dvKFQ=
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November 15, 2021, 07:58:36 PM
Merited by NeuroticFish (2), RickDeckard (1)
 #35

Yep, it's verified. So just send them this:

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hi, I donated to Wikileaks today 2021-11-15 from the address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo the equivalent of 5000 USD and I meant to send only 50 USD. See transaction ID a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c. I would ask you kindly to return the difference caused by my mistake, if possible, to my bitcoin address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo
H9EoG9dhqCis1zO4U5KSk+oXUJT1SaMbCtm7OOEQMvLmQdgW6YcMe2FNztp0H98UYUV4JM7VLqwTlyZ418dvKFQ=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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November 15, 2021, 09:17:34 PM
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vv181 posted a few email addresses that you can use to contact Wikileaks. Try with that.
They used to have a webchat over clearnet, but apparently that's no longer the case. However, there is still a way to send them a message over TOR at wlupld3ptjvsgwqw.onion.

Make sure that you read this if you decide to contact them via TOR > https://wikileaks.org/talk/.

Goof luck!

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November 16, 2021, 01:31:27 PM
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vv181 posted a few email addresses that you can use to contact Wikileaks. Try with that.
They used to have a webchat over clearnet, but apparently that's no longer the case. However, there is still a way to send them a message over TOR at wlupld3ptjvsgwqw.onion.

Make sure that you read this if you decide to contact them via TOR > https://wikileaks.org/talk/.

Goof luck!

These links aren't working
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These links aren't working
It's for their online webchat, which is currently unavailable anyway however. It does say you can contact them by leaving them a note in the "further information" field of their submissions system, which is available here: http://rpzgejae7cxxst5vysqsijblti4duzn3kjsmn43ddi2l3jblhk4a44id.onion/wlupload.en.html (again, you will need to download and run Tor browser to access this site, available here: https://www.torproject.org/download/)

You can try contacting them Pidgin as outlined here: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:Chat
There are also a number of email addresses available here: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:Contact

You can also try messaging them on Twitter or Facebook.
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No answer on all available contacts online
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November 19, 2021, 12:50:30 PM
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No answer on all available contacts online
You don't have a choice other than wait.

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