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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C. I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
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November 25, 2021, 09:30:47 AM |
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Cases like that have been happening for years, especially on online gambling sites, the war between players and gambling sites is unstoppable, everyone is selfish with each other, everyone wants to win, no one wants to lose, the gambling side wants to defend themselves and the players also defend themselves, that's gambling, no one wins and no one loses, why do people still want to play (lust) that's human.
There are certain factors that make them clash between players and online gambling sites. 1. Losing players don't want to accept defeat, war begins. 2. The gambling site, doesn't want to pay when the player wins to the highest level, self-defense occurs.
However, not all online gambling sites are rotten-hearted and not bad-hearted gamblers, there are gambling sites that honestly pay all wins and there are players who are aware that I am losing and have to accept that it is gambling.
All cases of fights, accusations, mutual wars return to yourself and it is recommended to choose an online gambling site that has a good reputation and is responsible both from within and from outside, crux of the matter.
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November 25, 2021, 09:43:30 AM |
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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C. I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
It is Great to see that a account that advertising so much case gambling site is making this kind of thread in which very reasonable to have, because indeed there are tons of cases filed by players against casino owners and same as the counter from casino sites against the players >> Players Violating ToS = Said by casino team. >> Casino Sites freezing/taking their Funds = Said by Players. If this is possible to Implement? i will 100% support this Court for the benefits of all gamblers like us.
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November 25, 2021, 10:05:16 AM |
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The court is one sided. Only the casino can sue a player to court for fraud or multiple account usage. They are some things that cause these disputes.
1) players don't read TOS before playing games on a casino whether Live or not. Withdrawal Limits must be confirmed first before working with any Casino. If you try to withdraw all your big win and it exceeds the casino's limit for the week then your funds will get delayed. I have seen cases that players filed as fraud on casino forums, but it's a withdrawal limit dispute.
2) Usage of VPN on a casino that restricted your location can hinder your money from getting to you. Even when taken to court the case is no case because its boldly written on the website of the Casino
So, if before you joined the casino and you researched about them on Casino review sites such as (Neil Patel) recommended and it shows that the site is Scam free then your only option is to read about their rules. This alone can settle the disputes.
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November 25, 2021, 01:11:55 PM |
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This could be really a sensitive topic I don't think it would be possible and probably the court will find it hard to sort which real and which is not and in result it will be a waste of time and effort since some users can't really accept that they lose a big amount of money some really do violated the gambling site's T&C and other kind of cases but having a online gambling court could also have a good idea too for some kind of real cases.
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November 25, 2021, 01:53:23 PM |
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It is Great to see that an account that advertising so many case gambling site is making this kind of thread in which is very reasonable to have, Quite a surprising thing that on this forum users like you attack individuals based on the signature their wear and not based on the subject matter. Having a gambling online Court should be able to all the gambling fraud and can easily backlist them from the online gambling community.
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The problem is casino preys mostly small time gamblers, and this kind of people don't have money to pay attorney and stuff. Let's say they have been scammed $10k but have to pay legal fees of $100k knowing they can still lose the case and have to pay casino's legal fees. The only feasible scenario is via class action lawsuit, but that needs lots of people getting scammed (not selective scamming). Also, different jurisdiction is a problem as well.
Thus, most of the time, we can only rely on the "community action," and bitcointalk is a good place to solve this issue (in a limited way). I've been here for like 3 years and see many issues resolved by the action of the community.
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November 25, 2021, 01:58:19 PM |
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Do you know the reason? why he talks like that. Your signature casino company have the worst some case and turn into a scam casino should be avoided, I think you also know the case I was referring but still apply to the campaign because you got money and don't care to protect customer side. Remember, you also promoted them by apply to the campaign
Thus, most of the time, we can only rely on the "community action," and bitcointalk is a good place to solve this issue (in a limited way). I've been here for like 3 years and see many issues resolved by the action of the community.
Still remember issue case of 330 BTC winning on Cloudbet, can be solved by community help with over 3 month ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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November 25, 2021, 07:04:02 PM |
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Not only the players are being greedy. You will notice it right away if an issue happen to you like your withdrawal request is denied due to not obeying their rules or terms and conditions even though you didn't violate any of it. If you really are not a greedy person then you wouldn't stop a winner to withdraw his profit. Quite a surprising thing that on this forum users like you attack individuals based on the signature their wear and not based on the subject matter. Having a gambling online Court should be able to all the gambling fraud and can easily backlist them from the online gambling community.
Gambling sites owner will be in favor if there is a gambling court. It is also not surprising when a forum users attack another forum user base on the signature they wear. In your case, you promoted a gambling sites that have many issues and those accusations are not solved by the site owner which mean that it is not to be trusted or a scam site. In short, you are helping the site to spread their platform and have more gamblers which many of them become victims of not being paid when they requested to withdraw.
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November 25, 2021, 08:19:23 PM |
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What the op thinks of setting a court for gambling issues seems to be good, when we think of the accusations and all the fraudulent acts done by a gambling platform to its users. However this can't be made effective in real-time for few reasons.
Gambling sites have the disclaimer and the terms of service. It is the users responsibility to read it, agree on it and further spend on the platform. One out of ten might read and agree to it, whereas the majority just agree and proceed. Here the argument won't support the users and in case of withdrawal stopped without any reason according to the terms of service then this court could help. Gambling is restricted in more countries. When such issues arise and people take more cases to the court, automatically the court will suggest the government to ban gambling. Why should we do that.
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November 25, 2021, 08:57:58 PM |
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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C. I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
This can be a big help however, this will take time and a lot of money to spend for having such online court. For now, if you feel unsafe and got scammed by an online gambling site you can look for their license, of their physical office so by this you can know where to file a case and sue them. I’m just wondering are you a victim of a scam site just like on your Signature OP?
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November 25, 2021, 09:05:41 PM |
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~snip~ I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
^ Then who will be the prosecutor? So it means there will be a judge to depend on both parties. This could become a biased decision or it could be abused, this is very sensitive for everyone who we can trust to prosecute such criminal action towards the defendant or the opposite one. A community like us can be judges and there is no single person to handle such a case, proper evidence is a must too. However, your idea will probably be effective but we don't know yet where to start.
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November 25, 2021, 09:23:18 PM |
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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C. I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
You can’t question scam projects online if you are also introducing a scam project, that wont work. International online gambling court is not possible I think because every country have their own laws about gambling and you can just go to your local court they can still help you to file an international law suit but I don’t think its worth it especially if you got scammed by small money but if we are talking about millions of money here then hire a good lawyer to work for you on this case.
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November 25, 2021, 10:09:10 PM |
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I think it is not necessary that there is any specific online court for cases involving disputes between gambling sites and customers. what needs to be done Is the following:
each country where they issue casino licenses need to have a website where people can complain about the casino which and then the authorities of that country where the person complained will refer the case to the police and will investigate the case, in case the casino actually committed the crime of having stolen the customer's money then the courts of that country that issued a license to the casino will punish the casino. I think this is something simple to create, but what is lacking is the willingness of countries that issue casino licenses to do
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Do you know who is responsible for Cloudbet. They scam me for 5 BTC.
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Do you know who is responsible for Cloudbet. They scam me for 5 BTC.
Well you are off-topic here, create your own thread on the scam accusation board and present your valid proof. Regarding the question by the OP, it sounds good but I don't know how it will work --but having a license is enough and I think regulation of will perhaps may occur too. This is idea is indeed good but we don't know how to implement it and how can police investigate, many gambling casinos will behave on their habit that selectively scamming their users.
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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C. I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
With those evidences, if a legit casino sees the legitimacy of their concern. They'll for sure be refunded and they'll take the money that they deserve. But mostly, these complains are just coming from those gamblers that can't accept that they've lost a lot. Do you know who is responsible for Cloudbet. They scam me for 5 BTC.
They have a thread[1], go there and tell what's your complain and how did they scammed you or if you can't withdraw your balance there. [1] Cloudbet | Bitcoin Casino & Sportsbook | The No.1 Bitcoin Gambling Site
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I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
If you are talking about crypto-gambling sites, that can't be applied. Others want anonymous gambling and don't want centralized stuff but like to take legal actions when the site is showing unprofessionalism to their actions. See what I'm trying to picture out there? If you want that kind of setup, choose a gambling site that is registered to the government, mostly fiat sites, so you can file a lawsuit against the site.
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November 25, 2021, 11:08:20 PM |
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I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.
If you are talking about crypto-gambling sites, that can't be applied. Others want anonymous gambling and don't want centralized stuff but like to take legal actions when the site is showing unprofessionalism to their actions. See what I'm trying to picture out there? If you want that kind of setup, choose a gambling site that is registered to the government, mostly fiat sites, so you can file a lawsuit against the site. That's right, would be hard if the OP is referring to crypto casinos. But it can be done with fiat-based online casinos as most of them are registered to where they are operational. But with crypto casinos where a lot of them are not requiring KYC to its customers, I don't think such court can be applied. And yes, just play on sites registered under the supervision of the government, so filing a lawsuit may be possible. Otherwise, you are just wasting your effort and resources when it comes to crypto casinos, even with gambling license.
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It is Great to see that an account that advertising so many case gambling site is making this kind of thread in which is very reasonable to have, Quite a surprising thing that on this forum users like you attack individuals based on the signature their wear and not based on the subject matter. Having a gambling online Court should be able to all the gambling fraud and can easily backlist them from the online gambling community. I'm not sure why you consider that as an attack since you are the one who is asking for a Gambling Court in which he mentioned to be reasonable for us to have, so by all means he is favor for your proposition . It is just coming from an account that advertising a company that has so much cases being filed by the victims seemingly the first to be on Trial if this happens. and besides take it as a challenge for you to push this Court to happen and give justice either if the cases filed in your company(1xbit) is true, or if the complainant are lying . Do you know who is responsible for Cloudbet. They scam me for 5 BTC.
Even if he knows nothing that He can do because there are still no "Online Gambling Court" that exist .
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