betflip.io does not pay me even my deposit amount

[altini63]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make my mistake to try them out...

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[bislom]

I made a deposit - also a small one - to test the site but I lost it already. After reading this, I will not test it anymore.

[brassnuts]

Betflip is a scam.

They seem to have either ripped the betcoin api, or betcoin allow them to use their software. Everything is identical between the two sites, except Betcoin pay, Betflip do not, ever.

Unfortunately your money is lost.

EDIT: Upon inspection, Betflip seem to have changed their software entirely and are no longer a Betcoin clone. Still, they are only there to receive deposits. I have never known anyone to receive a withdrawal from them.

[YOSHIE]

At first glance I see that there are at least two accusations against the betting site betflip.io, as below:

• Topic: BETFLIP.io SCAM ALERT
• Topic: BETFLIP BONUS SCAM

Many cases of fraud by gambling sites lately, but never resolved, the OP can't do much in your current case, exceptions: try to contact them, communicate well with them your complaint, hopefully they have a solution for you.

In the future avoid gambling sites that have a series of allegations of fraud, play on responsible gambling sites.

[FatFork]

OP, if you have enough evidence to believe this is a scam, you can open a proper scam accusation on this board. Betflip.io doesn't have an official representative here or a dedicated ANN topic, therefore I doubt you will get any response regarding your case, but at least this way you will be warning other forum members and new visitors not to make the same mistake as you.

[LEVSKI7]

Betflip is a scam.

They seem to have either ripped the betcoin api, or betcoin allow them to use their software. Everything is identical between the two sites, except Betcoin pay, Betflip do not, ever.

Unfortunately your money is lost.

EDIT: Upon inspection, Betflip seem to have changed their software entirely and are no longer a Betcoin clone. Still, they are only there to receive deposits. I have never known anyone to receive a withdrawal from them.

now did you understand that it is scam. on many forums there is information that this site is scam.4444 did they return your deposit

[Fesatmas]

OP what FatFork said is correct, you might be able to thread fraud accusations with valid proof. But the problem is that so far there is no official representative from them on this forum. Even if you make an allegation it's still very minimal to be resolved and there's nothing to bridge you to the casino except keep pushing the support, multiply in email or in the chat. And the existence of similar accusations has so far not found a way out.

[brassnuts]

4444 did they return your deposit

I received nothing at all from 4444. They never communicated with me once, and they have also closed both of their topics in this forum. They are, or were, just a pure scam site.

The biggest issue that remains is how many people, including long time posters, entered the 4444 thread defending them. Along with that the fact that the moderators allowed 4444 to close their older thread, filled with allegations, and let them open a new self moderated thread albeit a thread which lasted only a few hours before they jumped ship.

It is important that the moderators here put player safety first, and when a thread is filled with negative reviews, and literally not one single positive confirmation of a withdrawal, more needs to be done to stop these instances.

[wxa7115]

At first glance I see that there are at least two accusations against the betting site betflip.io, as below:

• Topic: BETFLIP.io SCAM ALERT
• Topic: BETFLIP BONUS SCAM

Many cases of fraud by gambling sites lately, but never resolved, the OP can't do much in your current case, exceptions: try to contact them, communicate well with them your complaint, hopefully they have a solution for you.

In the future avoid gambling sites that have a series of allegations of fraud, play on responsible gambling sites.

I wonder where altini63 found that casino, I mean it seems they do not have an ann thread here or anything, do they found it in social media or just surfing the web?

I say this because I have always thought that if you know of the existence of bitcointalk then whenever you want to try a new casino it is important to see if they have a thread here and what is their reputation among the community, and if they have several scam accusations against them then it is better to avoid them, this way you will not only save yourself some money but a lot of headache as well as you do not have to deal with scammers.  

[FatFork]

I received nothing at all from 4444. They never communicated with me once, and they have also closed both of their topics in this forum. They are, or were, just a pure scam site.

The biggest issue that remains is how many people, including long time posters, entered the 4444 thread defending them. Along with that the fact that the moderators allowed 4444 to close their older thread, filled with allegations, and let them open a new self moderated thread albeit a thread which lasted only a few hours before they jumped ship.

It is important that the moderators here put player safety first, and when a thread is filled with negative reviews, and literally not one single positive confirmation of a withdrawal, more needs to be done to stop these instances.

Actualy, scams are not moderated on this forum. What you should do, if you haven't already, is gather all the evidence and open a scam accusation against them. You can't fight them in their self-moderated thread, so you need to create your own, where you can express your point of view without fear of them deleting your post.

[keyscore44]

I received nothing at all from 4444. They never communicated with me once, and they have also closed both of their topics in this forum. They are, or were, just a pure scam site.

The biggest issue that remains is how many people, including long time posters, entered the 4444 thread defending them. Along with that the fact that the moderators allowed 4444 to close their older thread, filled with allegations, and let them open a new self moderated thread albeit a thread which lasted only a few hours before they jumped ship.

It is important that the moderators here put player safety first, and when a thread is filled with negative reviews, and literally not one single positive confirmation of a withdrawal, more needs to be done to stop these instances.

Actualy, scams are not moderated on this forum. What you should do, if you haven't already, is gather all the evidence and open a scam accusation against them. You can't fight them in their self-moderated thread, so you need to create your own, where you can express your point of view without fear of them deleting your post.

His case is still under investigation as he had a lot of bets.

This is the 4444sport owner's reply from yesterday:

@brassnuts
We already answered you in previous posts. You have placed nearly 300 bets, and it take some time to verify these bets and the validity of it.

Sorry for the off topic, but it looks like the only job of this account and similar on this forum is to troll and spam.

[DoublerHunter]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make my mistake to try them out...

^ Just straightforward on this case not on others.
In my case, rollover is really required in a gambling casino but I don't know if there is a minimum requirement and how much. You should read first the TOS before making such a decision, ridiculous rollover requirements will probably we can think that the casino abuse the rollover requirements ruler. If this is on their TOS, you have nothing to do, because once you used them it means you agreed with the TOS. Just try to rollover and achieve the requirements, who knows there are still left in your fund.

[coin-investor]

I wonder where altini63 found that casino, I mean it seems they do not have an ann thread here or anything, do they found it in social media or just surfing the web?

I say this because I have always thought that if you know of the existence of bitcointalk then whenever you want to try a new casino it is important to see if they have a thread here and what is their reputation among the community, and if they have several scam accusations against them then it is better to avoid them, this way you will not only save yourself some money but a lot of headache as well as you do not have to deal with scammers.  

Most probably in other platforms, casinos are advertising on platforms like a-ads, if they know the existence of Bitcontalk I don't think they are going to play on casinos with accusations here, casinos with bad reputations here are advertising heavily on Cryptocurrency related sites or casino review sites, if you're an online gambler and you are not doing research you're in trouble.

[FatFork]

His case is still under investigation as he had a lot of bets.

This is the 4444sport owner's reply from yesterday:

@brassnuts
We already answered you in previous posts. You have placed nearly 300 bets, and it take some time to verify these bets and the validity of it.

Sorry for the off topic, but it looks like the only job of this account and similar on this forum is to troll and spam.

Censorship in a public forum is never a good idea, so it would probably be better if they answered his question instead of deleting his posts. Sounds a little shady to me but what do I know?

[24Kt]

OP, if you have enough evidence to believe this is a scam, you can open a proper scam accusation on this board. Betflip.io doesn't have an official representative here or a dedicated ANN topic, therefore I doubt you will get any response regarding your case, but at least this way you will be warning other forum members and new visitors not to make the same mistake as you.

That's the good thing to do here. If it is under scam accusations board, people will be alerted about this site. But checking the trustpilot feedback, it is also bad - https://www.trustpilot.com/review/betflip.io. So it already signifies something really not good for this site. Next time, before the OP play on a new casino, better check the reviews you can find online or better yet, just look for the casinos you can fin in this forum and more than likely, you will find a better and reputable one. Check their trust summary for existing allegations.

[ultrloa]

OP, if you have enough evidence to believe this is a scam, you can open a proper scam accusation on this board. Betflip.io doesn't have an official representative here or a dedicated ANN topic, therefore I doubt you will get any response regarding your case, but at least this way you will be warning other forum members and new visitors not to make the same mistake as you.

That's the good thing to do here. If it is under scam accusations board, people will be alerted about this site. But checking the trustpilot feedback, it is also bad - https://www.trustpilot.com/review/betflip.io. So it already signifies something really not good for this site. Next time, before the OP play on a new casino, better check the reviews you can find online or better yet, just look for the casinos you can fin in this forum and more than likely, you will find a better and reputable one. Check their trust summary for existing allegations.

Well this will be better thing to do since posting it on gambling board will only create little noise since this could be over shadowed by many casino ann threads so this accusation will not be notice easily and also its good for OP to share some proof so that this could add the case against them so that people will not trust to deposit any amount on that casino again..

@OP you should move this thread to scam accusation section.

[aioc]

@OP you should move this thread to scam accusation section.

He really should move this to the right board, of course, he needs to upload all his proofs to strengthen his cause, this is for those who want to check the reputation of betflip.io, I checked the site and they offer a very high 111% bonus, it's very tempting and a red flag for me, they don't have a thread here obviously to avoid getting tagged.

[rodskee]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make my mistake to try them out...

You have deposited and Played in one of the worst gambling site in crypto industry , this is the reason why you are having this issues now.

Like what yoshie's shared above, this site has multiple Scam case in this forum alone so what more in outside Bitcointalk?

Just Move on as you cannot claim back your Money and that means you have nothing now but losses .

[BitcoinAccepted]

Does the OP managed to get his initial withdrawals back? It's bad that they didn't even give back your deposit amount. I think you should open up a scam accusation and include all the evidence and proofs about this thing. Does anyone have a similar experience about the Betflip.io?

[brassnuts]

Honestly, if it makes you feel better you can open a scam thread, but you will get nothing off of Betflip, and that is a promise.

[Jawhead999]

Honestly, if it makes you feel better you can open a scam thread, but you will get nothing off of Betflip, and that is a promise.

Moreover there's no representative or thread of this casino, so you can't expect anything if you've created an accusations. But the good thing is, you could help someone to be aware about this casino to not made any deposit.

This is the reason why I only play on casino which have a thread, active and reputable here, because if there's something wrong I could made a complaint against their casino. If they care with their reputation, your problem will be resolved ASAP.

[DoublerHunter]

Honestly, if it makes you feel better you can open a scam thread, but you will get nothing off of Betflip, and that is a promise.

Moreover there's no representative or thread of this casino, so you can't expect anything if you've created an accusations. But the good thing is, you could help someone to be aware about this casino to not made any deposit.

^ Definitely right, is about 10% is on the OP side if there is someone who appears here and supports betflip and refunded your deposit.
Not for the OP himself but at least it gives the people here an awareness. But I think most of us here already know which gambling casino has a legitimate service. We will not use gambling casinos that did not have ads here because for sure they are not trusted enough.
Nevertheless, I wonder how did the OP find this casino and trusted it right away without having research and hesitation to deposit.

[robelneo]

Honestly, if it makes you feel better you can open a scam thread, but you will get nothing off of Betflip, and that is a promise.

He should do it for the other who could become their victim, it makes you feel better if knowing that you save some players from playing here and avoid getting scammed, that is the purpose of creating a scam report to warn others if the casino reaches out and pay you then it's good at least they will avoid issues that you've experienced, you will get nothing off of Betslip if you did not create a post either so why not just warn others.

[wxa7115]

4444 did they return your deposit

I received nothing at all from 4444. They never communicated with me once, and they have also closed both of their topics in this forum. They are, or were, just a pure scam site.

The biggest issue that remains is how many people, including long time posters, entered the 4444 thread defending them. Along with that the fact that the moderators allowed 4444 to close their older thread, filled with allegations, and let them open a new self moderated thread albeit a thread which lasted only a few hours before they jumped ship.

It is important that the moderators here put player safety first, and when a thread is filled with negative reviews, and literally not one single positive confirmation of a withdrawal, more needs to be done to stop these instances.

I understand what you are saying but that is not how the forum works, if moderators began moderating scams then it will open a can of worms that it will be impossible to close.

So it is up to each person to make a call about how they are going to move their money on their own, you can check reviews given by other members of the community about any service that you may like to use or even ask directly if someone else had a good or bad experience with a particular service, but at the end of they day it is your responsibility to do your due diligence, after all in this market you are your own bank and you cannot shift your responsibilities to others as you are trying to imply with your post.

[SmokerFace]

I made a deposit - also a small one - to test the site but I lost it already. After reading this, I will not test it anymore.

Yes, you are right. My friend had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

[Ryker1]

I made a deposit - also a small one - to test the site but I lost it already. After reading this, I will not test it anymore.

Yes, you are right. My friend had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

Well I don't understand why there are some people who did not want to avoid a scam casino, once it has previous issues of scam I will never use that online casino. Just like the casino that you are promoting right now, a known gambling casino that scams their user and I don't want to let it happen to myself, I had better stay away from that casino rather pushing myself to use them whereas there are too many gambling casinos that can be used that has a good reputation. It is shame for them, just for a buck.

[Fritwakky]

I made a deposit - also a small one - to test the site but I lost it already. After reading this, I will not test it anymore.

Yes, you are right. My friend had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

Well I don't understand why there are some people who did not want to avoid a scam casino, once it has previous issues of scam I will never use that online casino. Just like the casino that you are promoting right now, a known gambling casino that scams their user and I don't want to let it happen to myself, I had better stay away from that casino rather pushing myself to use them whereas there are too many gambling casinos that can be used that has a good reputation. It is shame for them, just for a buck.

It also makes me wonder that people do not check who they send money to. I think the reason may be the adverts impulse and the promise of a big bonus. After the money is sent, they wake up, but it's too late. It may also be because it is hard to find a casino on the market today that doesn't have any accusations.

[DoublerHunter]

It also makes me wonder that people do not check who they send money to. I think the reason may be the adverts impulse and the promise of a big bonus. After the money is sent, they wake up, but it's too late. It may also be because it is hard to find a casino on the market today that doesn't have any accusations.

^ Those gamblers are for sure are on a greedy mode.
There are sometimes people who want to take a risk on the gambling casino even they know the possible outcome could be losing their money, they keep using it even how risky it is. Betflip.io was a known scam gambling casino or they are selectively scamming their users, sometimes a trick of a casino is to accuse you that you are violating such a law, it is always a good practice if you read the entire TOS per gambling house.

[AmoreJaz]

It also makes me wonder that people do not check who they send money to. I think the reason may be the adverts impulse and the promise of a big bonus. After the money is sent, they wake up, but it's too late. It may also be because it is hard to find a casino on the market today that doesn't have any accusations.

^ Those gamblers are for sure are on a greedy mode.
There are sometimes people who want to take a risk on the gambling casino even they know the possible outcome could be losing their money, they keep using it even how risky it is. Betflip.io was a known scam gambling casino or they are selectively scamming their users, sometimes a trick of a casino is to accuse you that you are violating such a law, it is always a good practice if you read the entire TOS per gambling house.

i don't think it is hard to find a reputable casino to gamble with. because if you are here in the forum, then you know that this board is already offering so much info about casinos, and just by reading their trust summary, you will get idea how they are to the community.
the prob with most newbies is that they will only search and look at the forum if they are being screwed. but til then, they will send funds to the casino that they think have very good bonuses or rewards, not considering their reputation in the community. so who's fault at this?

[brassnuts]

The fault falls mostly at the feet of affiliates, particularly those near the top of popular crypto casino search terms on google.

Books like betflip, who never pay anyone, and are just a pure 100% scam site, are still on many many popular crypto betting affiliate sites and often some of the top google hit sites.

People follow these affiliate links, play on betflip, never get paid, and it's not until then that they land at a place like this forum.

[chaser15]

I really don't understand why someone will fall on a site that is not even a popular brand. Why do others easily just fund their account without doing research if they are transacting with a legit service?

The fault falls mostly at the feet of affiliates, particularly those near the top of popular crypto casino search terms on google.

I don't think it's about what they saw on Google and we should blame that. Users themselves should already know some things to consider before depositing money even they are experienced or not.

[sovie]

I really don't understand why someone will fall on a site that is not even a popular brand. Why do others easily just fund their account without doing research if they are transacting with a legit service?

I think this might be because the people who collect referrals use some smart tricks. People who collect referrals important is only convince the person to register, so I suspect that the reason that they can be persuaded are promises of large and easy earnings. Greed does the rest.

[bittraffic]

I really don't understand why someone will fall on a site that is not even a popular brand. Why do others easily just fund their account without doing research if they are transacting with a legit service?

I think this might be because the people who collect referrals use some smart tricks. People who collect referrals important is only convince the person to register, so I suspect that the reason that they can be persuaded are promises of large and easy earnings. Greed does the rest.

The adnetworks advertise them as long as they pay and people who somehow led to thier casino and thought of profiting from playing on them. If internet users are not doing their research, they'd lose thier coins. Bonuses are a common way to make users deposit.

This betflip had a few scam accusations already so if they did some research they'd be able to find the bitcointalk thread. As simple as that can save them from being a victim. It's best to really avoid if there is already scam accusations that aren't resolved.

[Reatim]

4444 did they return your deposit

I received nothing at all from 4444. They never communicated with me once, and they have also closed both of their topics in this forum. They are, or were, just a pure scam site.

The biggest issue that remains is how many people, including long time posters, entered the 4444 thread defending them. Along with that the fact that the moderators allowed 4444 to close their older thread, filled with allegations, and let them open a new self moderated thread albeit a thread which lasted only a few hours before they jumped ship.

It is important that the moderators here put player safety first, and when a thread is filled with negative reviews, and literally not one single positive confirmation of a withdrawal, more needs to be done to stop these instances.

Moderators has nothing to do with scam because this forum is open for all and you only need to be more observant and more knowledgeable before dealing with everything most
specially in Gambling sites in which more and more scam coming here and there.
the 444sport.com still has a thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375271.0 in which self moderated things that proves one thing , that they cannot afford to defend accusations and they are scammers.
same as this betflip in which there are several thread against this in the past.

[Wiwo]

Betflip have already existing scam accusations against them already, it is more difficult to contact them on the forum since they don't have an admin on this forum and no official thread of betflip on the forum. So other members of the forum should take note and avoid betflip for now.

[peter0425]

Betflip have already existing scam accusations against them already, it is more difficult to contact them on the forum since they don't have an admin on this forum and no official thread of betflip on the forum. So other members of the forum should take note and avoid betflip for now.

Maybe OP is not a regular of this forum and just found out about Bitcointalk.org after being scammed so he has no idea how this scam site manage their victims funds.
if is a shame for every gambling operating in crypto that even manage to take smaller amount , why not target bigger players?
this only shows how cheap their company and has no future at all.

[TinaK]

Betflip have already existing scam accusations against them already, it is more difficult to contact them on the forum since they don't have an admin on this forum and no official thread of betflip on the forum. So other members of the forum should take note and avoid betflip for now.

Maybe OP is not a regular of this forum and just found out about Bitcointalk.org after being scammed so he has no idea how this scam site manage their victims funds.
if is a shame for every gambling operating in crypto that even manage to take smaller amount , why not target bigger players?
this only shows how cheap their company and has no future at all.

That's how will work shitty online gambling casinos, they are selectively scamming their player.
I don't see a big player in a non-reputed gambling casino and I have doubt that they are small-time gamblers who are only gambling in a small amount. The sad thing is that casino did not exist here on the forum so there is nothing to tag as a scammer or just warn gamblers. If that OP was here for a long time, maybe OP did not choose that gambling casino.

For now, this thread only brings awareness.

[btc78]

Sorry for your loss mate , but you should have check the reputation of every gambling site that you will enter, it is just "One Search Away" and google  will bring you here in this forum in which there are standing scam accusation against many gambling site in crypto.
this is the best place in where you can literally check their reputation and may consider pursuing or preventing the site you are looking.

Betflip have already existing scam accusations against them already, it is more difficult to contact them on the forum since they don't have an admin on this forum and no official thread of betflip on the forum. So other members of the forum should take note and avoid betflip for now.

Let's give OP a time to realize His mistake in trusting a scam casino and engaged with his funds,
this will let him learn lessons to not trust every casino that will pop up in his internet browser .

[AicecreaME]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make my mistake to try them out...

It's so saddening to read these kinds of posts when it could have been prevented from happening by simply background checking. I've read several posts already regarding this issue that almost every deposit is successful, however, withdrawals frequently have problems that lead to failure which results in not being able to get their money back. Always put into mind to double-check what you are getting yourself into. Otherwise, expect losses soon after. If you have the resources to play, then I suppose you also have the resources to simply do your own research about the reputation and runaround of it before actually delving into it. There are many different browsers available, and from there you can check if the site you are planning to enter is legitimate and trustworthy or not. There are also reviews from the previous users, you could have utilized those to your advantage to see what kind of system they have and what services to expect from them. You have a fault here too, but it's done and what you could do is to accept, move on, spread awareness, and take it as a learning experience to avoid doing the same mistake in the future.

[Beparanf]

@OP, How do you find these scammy casino such as 4444 and bet flip out of many existing trusted casino out there that offering same welcome bonus reward. At first, I thought you are just missing there wagering requirements that's why you can't withdraw like on Fortunejack that requires a x2 wager on deposit before you withdraw but as I search deeper about betflip, I saw some serious allegations that's still unanswered.

Consider this issue as charge to experience and never trust again some copy cat casino that offering crazy bonus.

[yayayo]

@OP, How do you find these scammy casino such as 4444 and bet flip out of many existing trusted casino out there that offering same welcome bonus reward. At first, I thought you are just missing there wagering requirements that's why you can't withdraw like on Fortunejack that requires a x2 wager on deposit before you withdraw but as I search deeper about betflip, I saw some serious allegations that's still unanswered.

Consider this issue as charge to experience and never trust again some copy cat casino that offering crazy bonus.

Indeed, OP have made some serious mistake and jumped onto the pit of risks, when he chose to dealt with a casino that has pending accusations that still weren’t solved or handled by the management. But let us give OP the benefit of the doubt, maybe his just really new to all of this. It is just unfortunate that he has to go through such to learn a lesson. At the end of the day, we get to chose what casino we are going to deal with, considering the issues, allegations and compliments, thus we can chose the risk we will take.

ya.ya.yo!

[brassnuts]

Many people seem to be acting as if 100% of the population are experts in crypto betting sites and how to know which ones are reputable. They are not.

When big affiliates market betflip on their sites, which is absolutely the case, just go look, then many many people will trust the information given by the affiliates. It's very easy to understand why people put money on these sites.

[wxa7115]

I made a deposit - also a small one - to test the site but I lost it already. After reading this, I will not test it anymore.

Yes, you are right. My friend had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

Well I don't understand why there are some people who did not want to avoid a scam casino, once it has previous issues of scam I will never use that online casino. Just like the casino that you are promoting right now, a known gambling casino that scams their user and I don't want to let it happen to myself, I had better stay away from that casino rather pushing myself to use them whereas there are too many gambling casinos that can be used that has a good reputation. It is shame for them, just for a buck.

It also makes me wonder that people do not check who they send money to. I think the reason may be the adverts impulse and the promise of a big bonus. After the money is sent, they wake up, but it's too late. It may also be because it is hard to find a casino on the market today that doesn't have any accusations.

That is probably one of the reasons, after all a legitimate casino that is planning on giving a bonus needs to fulfill what they promise and as such there are limits to what they can offer to their clients, since they are a business and they need to remain profitable.

But a casino that is being operated by scammers can make all kind of promises about the kind of bonuses they will give to their clients, and it does not matter to them how big those bonuses are as they have no intention at all to give that money away anyway.

[mak013]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

[pieppiep]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

I doubt that they are newbies because, from their stories, we see many of them deposit more than $50-$100. If they are really newbies, they will not risk too big money for gambling, especially since gambling is something new for them. They need to figure out how to play gambling and learn how to control themselves. Maybe they are old crypto users who have much experience but they are curious about the gambling site so they deposit that big money but boom, they lose their money.

[Taskford]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

I doubt that they are newbies because, from their stories, we see many of them deposit more than $50-$100. If they are really newbies, they will not risk too big money for gambling, especially since gambling is something new for them. They need to figure out how to play gambling and learn how to control themselves. Maybe they are old crypto users who have much experience but they are curious about the gambling site so they deposit that big money but boom, they lose their money.

Theirs two sides here this is either those newbies are paid for destroying some new casino which start to rise up to eliminate their competition or they are not totally a forum member then just locate this forum via google search.  Ut anyways whatever it is unless newbies who created a thread have a valid proof regarding on their claims then that's good since it will give us a warning on that casino they are pointing on.

[mak013]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

I doubt that they are newbies because, from their stories, we see many of them deposit more than $50-$100. If they are really newbies, they will not risk too big money for gambling, especially since gambling is something new for them. They need to figure out how to play gambling and learn how to control themselves. Maybe they are old crypto users who have much experience but they are curious about the gambling site so they deposit that big money but boom, they lose their money.

But if they are not newbies, why they don`t do any research? And, if they know about this board - why most of them have newbie rating? Ok, may be they are just reading without registration, but why they don`t read other threads?
It is possible if this is a part of strategy - getting welcome and rating bonuses but even in such way - it is not a problem to see fast-made scam.

[jossiel]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

That's what they do most of the time.

They'll seek counsel to the forum members when something bad has already happened. And when they do, it's already too late for them to recover the amount because there's no way to get it anymore.

[keyscore44]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

That's what they do most of the time.

They'll seek counsel to the forum members when something bad has already happened. And when they do, it's already too late for them to recover the amount because there's no way to get it anymore.

It is possible that they think that maybe someone will hear their cries for help and the casino will change mind in their case.
Or maybe they just want to complain in public and in that way reduce their frustration a bit.
It is also possible that they really have the intent to warn others about the dishonesty of the casino.
Or they themselves are scammers and have been caught doing it and write accusations in anger.

[nigthcrowd]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make my mistake to try them out...

Never believe the betflip, which turns out to be a lot of complaints that they cheat easily their loyal customers. If you like to make deposits with crypto you can try on m88 and bk8, the site is guaranteed

[pieppiep]

Theirs two sides here this is either those newbies are paid for destroying some new casino which start to rise up to eliminate their competition or they are not totally a forum member then just locate this forum via google search.  Ut anyways whatever it is unless newbies who created a thread have a valid proof regarding on their claims then that's good since it will give us a warning on that casino they are pointing on.

We already see that destroying new casinos is something that always happens among the competitions and sometimes, they will use all the ways to take down the other casino reputations. I think we can say anything about what happened to them, but we do not know the real story and who is lies to us. Even though we do not know if they have valid proof regarding their story, we can only give suggestions to them.

But if they are not newbies, why they don`t do any research? And, if they know about this board - why most of them have newbie rating? Ok, may be they are just reading without registration, but why they don`t read other threads?
It is possible if this is a part of strategy - getting welcome and rating bonuses but even in such way - it is not a problem to see fast-made scam.

That is why I doubt they are newbies because we already warn them from this forum. Even if they are silent readers who do not reply or discuss many things here, they can still read many topics about cheating, scamming, or hacking on this forum. And from that topic, they should know why they must not use too big money for gambling, even in the casino with great reputations. No guarantee that the casino can process its withdrawal.

[nakamura12]

Funny how you think $50-$100 is really big money. Different areas of the world have different standards of living and income levels. While $50 might be big money for you, it might be merely pocket change for others. For example, you may not be aware that some people pay more than $5 for just a cup of coffee at Starbucks. 

That's because that amount of money converted to fiat is not a small amount in other country so that is why that person said $50 - $100 is a big amount. In my country, having that $100 could save my family to buy food, gasoline and other important things we need to survive since the government didn't provide a good relief yet especially at a time like this (not because of covid but of rai). In gambling, $100 is not a small amount but not also a big amount if you ask me if I were that person.

[naira]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

I doubt that they are newbies because, from their stories, we see many of them deposit more than $50-$100. If they are really newbies, they will not risk too big money for gambling, especially since gambling is something new for them. They need to figure out how to play gambling and learn how to control themselves. Maybe they are old crypto users who have much experience but they are curious about the gambling site so they deposit that big money but boom, they lose their money.

But if they are not newbies, why they don`t do any research? And, if they know about this board - why most of them have newbie rating? Ok, may be they are just reading without registration, but why they don`t read other threads?
It is possible if this is a part of strategy - getting welcome and rating bonuses but even in such way - it is not a problem to see fast-made scam.

Agree, it's likely not that they don't read, but rather to take advantage of the bonuses that have been provided and walk away with all those bonuses. Then come again as if not paying attention to the terms and conditions that apply. As a beginner, it might sound silly to shoot more than $50-$100 without thinking. Usually, most beginners will be more careful because they don't know how to start well.

[goaldigger]

Funny how you think $50-$100 is really big money. Different areas of the world have different standards of living and income levels. While $50 might be big money for you, it might be merely pocket change for others. For example, you may not be aware that some people pay more than $5 for just a cup of coffee at Starbucks.  

That's because that amount of money converted to fiat is not a small amount in other country so that is why that person said $50 - $100 is a big amount. In my country, having that $100 could save my family to buy food, gasoline and other important things we need to survive since the government didn't provide a good relief yet especially at a time like this (not because of covid but of rai). In gambling, $100 is not a small amount but not also a big amount if you ask me if I were that person.

The value is not the point here, the site scam many people so technically if you add it up that’s a huge money already and that’s alarming. I saw some scam accusation with this site better to avoid this at all cost and don’t try to deposit again. I hope they can solve this problem but don’t expect that much OP especially if they are a real scam site. Anyway, do you have proof for this accusation?

[FatFork]

Anyway, do you have proof for this accusation?

I don't know who you are addressing here. The OP has not responded to this topic since it was created. Furthermore, if you are addressing him, you should quote his post or at least mention him in your post.

[keyscore44]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

I doubt that they are newbies because, from their stories, we see many of them deposit more than $50-$100. If they are really newbies, they will not risk too big money for gambling, especially since gambling is something new for them. They need to figure out how to play gambling and learn how to control themselves. Maybe they are old crypto users who have much experience but they are curious about the gambling site so they deposit that big money but boom, they lose their money.

But if they are not newbies, why they don`t do any research? And, if they know about this board - why most of them have newbie rating? Ok, may be they are just reading without registration, but why they don`t read other threads?
It is possible if this is a part of strategy - getting welcome and rating bonuses but even in such way - it is not a problem to see fast-made scam.

Agree, it's likely not that they don't read, but rather to take advantage of the bonuses that have been provided and walk away with all those bonuses. Then come again as if not paying attention to the terms and conditions that apply. As a beginner, it might sound silly to shoot more than $50-$100 without thinking. Usually, most beginners will be more careful because they don't know how to start well.

Casinos say that gambling should be just fun and a way to have a good time. The truth is, most of the gambling is based on a desire to make money easily and quickly, and oscourse greed. It is clear to me that many people, even if they are aware of the risks, will still play in casinos with a bad reputation just because they have big bonuses.

[traderethereum]

Casinos say that gambling should be just fun and a way to have a good time. The truth is, most of the gambling is based on a desire to make money easily and quickly, and oscourse greed. It is clear to me that many people, even if they are aware of the risks, will still play in casinos with a bad reputation just because they have big bonuses.

Suppose they realize the risk but still play in the casino, whether it is a bad reputation casino or a good reputation casino. In that case, they should prepare for losing money because the lost money will always be there.
The risk will become bigger if they have any intention to make money easily and quickly because that can lead them to use more money after they lose all of the money.
Once they forget what reason they are gambling, they will not take too long to see they will lose the next money they deposit.
It is our responsibility to manage the money we use to gamble and hopefully, we can remember that gambling is part of the fun.

[mak013]

But if they are not newbies, why they don`t do any research? And, if they know about this board - why most of them have newbie rating? Ok, may be they are just reading without registration, but why they don`t read other threads?
It is possible if this is a part of strategy - getting welcome and rating bonuses but even in such way - it is not a problem to see fast-made scam.

That is why I doubt they are newbies because we already warn them from this forum. Even if they are silent readers who do not reply or discuss many things here, they can still read many topics about cheating, scamming, or hacking on this forum. And from that topic, they should know why they must not use too big money for gambling, even in the casino with great reputations. No guarantee that the casino can process its withdrawal.

That`s what i`m talking about. Newbies don`t read comments in the threads? Ok, it is possible, but we decided that aren`t newbies. And if they aren`t newbies, so why they are cheated so much times? If they are so lazy to make any research, why they spend time telling how they lost their money? This is really not a problem to understand fast-made scam website, even without reading this forum. It is impossible to be so silly over and over again.

[Kakmakr]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

That's what they do most of the time.

They'll seek counsel to the forum members when something bad has already happened. And when they do, it's already too late for them to recover the amount because there's no way to get it anymore.

Do you want 1000s of newbies to flood the forum with questions about every casino that are out there? Let them come to the forum with their complaints, because the more complaints and scam accusations they post.... the better for the next newbie that wants to try out these scam casinos. 

Just make sure when you post under the scam accusation section that you put something like this in the title ==> Betflip.io <insert casino name> is a scam. (So when newbies Google the name + scam .... they might hit that thread) 

[Fortify]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make my mistake to try them out...

There are so many resources out there that can be used to find out if sites are a scam, that there's little excuse except greed for falling for them these days and you might just have to take this as a lesson for the future. I am wondering whether it really was an accident, or whether you were trying to take maximum advantage of any special bonus offer that they use to entice new victims. Sorry to hear about your loss, but you really need to be more careful and exact with the amount you are depositing, especially when such large sums of money are involved - it's just sad that these fake casinos can lure so many people in for such a long time, it'd be nice if the domain registrar seized their domain for fraud but it might require a court order.

[naira]

Casinos say that gambling should be just fun and a way to have a good time. The truth is, most of the gambling is based on a desire to make money easily and quickly, and oscourse greed. It is clear to me that many people, even if they are aware of the risks, will still play in casinos with a bad reputation just because they have big bonuses.

With great risk but with irresistible consequences. That may be true, but given the bad reputation it wouldn't take too long to think that in other casinos we could find a more comfortable place to bet with a very good casino reputation. Apart from the convenience of a gambler, it is quite diverse, but to put forward a big bonus by withdrawing the bonus will not make the gambler feel satisfied at all.

[Slow death]

OP have you already managed to get your problem resolved? I went to see your post history and from what I see luck is not on your side, there are other casinos that have not paid you, this is what I would call great bad luck, so for this case at least they will be able to pay you or still are you getting nothing?

[wxa7115]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

It is simple really, in my experience most people have the belief that nothing bad is ever going to happen to them, basically they think that even if bad things like being scammed happens to people those things happen to other people and not to them.

Basically they live their lives without worrying about the future, so when they finally realize they were scammed they complain about how unfair it is, and in a way I understand it, but just as you say they should have made the effort to make their research and they would have avoided the scam from the very beginning.

[Tellek Garing]

You need to read about the reputation of sites before you deposit on them because there are scam sites all around that offer various promos and bonuses and are willing to risk the trust for any deposits. Avoid them

[kotwica666]

You need to read about the reputation of sites before you deposit on them because there are scam sites all around that offer various promos and bonuses and are willing to risk the trust for any deposits. Avoid them

Unfortunately, this is the most common mistake made by Newbies. It is enough just a few minutes to find at least a few scam accussations and a terrible opinion on Trustpilot:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304959.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318821.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5356229.0

This should be enough not to risk deposit.

I am afraid that this deposit will never be recovered. It seems this lesson was quite expensive.

[StLucifer]

I had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

[jossiel]

I still can`t understand why newbies creating threads just after they lost their money? Why don`t they do any research? If they create thread here, it means that they know about this board, so why don`t use it? Spend just 20 minutes and save money, this is really easy. They are losing much more time trying to return their money and mostly they willn`t return it, so doing research helps to save not only the money but the time too.

That's what they do most of the time.

They'll seek counsel to the forum members when something bad has already happened. And when they do, it's already too late for them to recover the amount because there's no way to get it anymore.

It is possible that they think that maybe someone will hear their cries for help and the casino will change mind in their case.
Or maybe they just want to complain in public and in that way reduce their frustration a bit.
It is also possible that they really have the intent to warn others about the dishonesty of the casino.
Or they themselves are scammers and have been caught doing it and write accusations in anger.

There are some threads that have been helpful to solve their issue when they've posted in here. But they're also conversational and doesn't just leave what they've left.

All that you've mentioned are possible.

To give that exposure and attention so that they'll get some help from the casino that they complain and at the same time, warn the others to avoid it.

[peter0425]

Betflip have already existing scam accusations against them already, it is more difficult to contact them on the forum since they don't have an admin on this forum and no official thread of betflip on the forum. So other members of the forum should take note and avoid betflip for now.

Maybe OP is not a regular of this forum and just found out about Bitcointalk.org after being scammed so he has no idea how this scam site manage their victims funds.
if is a shame for every gambling operating in crypto that even manage to take smaller amount , why not target bigger players?
this only shows how cheap their company and has no future at all.

That's how will work shitty online gambling casinos, they are selectively scamming their player.
I don't see a big player in a non-reputed gambling casino and I have doubt that they are small-time gamblers who are only gambling in a small amount. The sad thing is that casino did not exist here on the forum so there is nothing to tag as a scammer or just warn gamblers. If that OP was here for a long time, maybe OP did not choose that gambling casino.

For now, this thread only brings awareness.

Yes they are usually newbie or small time gambler that hunt gambling site in advertising in internet in which made them lured to try this shitty scam gambling site.
though the sad part here is that they happen to win Big and the scam happens as they are being denied to withdraw their funds . attitude of a legit scammer .

[qory]

Yes they are usually newbie or small time gambler that hunt gambling site in advertising in internet in which made them lured to try this shitty scam gambling site.
though the sad part here is that they happen to win Big and the scam happens as they are being denied to withdraw their funds . attitude of a legit scammer .

It's sad to see sites like this still scam people. Also read only negative stories about this site. I hope you get your money back, but the odds aren't really good. Why not play at more reputable sites that are also represented on the forum? There are plenty of sites that do act fairly. For the moment we will have to wait for the op of Betflip but I don't give you much of a chance.

[jossiel]

It's sad to see sites like this still scam people. Also read only negative stories about this site. I hope you get your money back, but the odds aren't really good. Why not play at more reputable sites that are also represented on the forum? There are plenty of sites that do act fairly. For the moment we will have to wait for the op of Betflip but I don't give you much of a chance.

There are those newbies that have saw it through ads that says about the bonus deposit or any promo that they got in.

It's really a problem to the newbies that are going to the unknown casinos instead of those that are reputable. Some new casinos are also good but it's that they've went to a wrong new casino that don't stand with standards and doesn't really have a goal of becoming a reputable one.

[Cling18]

I wanted to try out these guys but sent by mistake a substantial deposit (10mbtc instead of 1 mbtc) . Waited for 3 weeks to expire the bonus which had ridiculous rollover requirements. Then I was asked to rollover my deposit amount 1 time with odds of 2 or more which I completed. After that I placed a withdrawal request on the same amount as the deposit. They keep rejecting it. On live chat I told them that I did not want any winnings (5 mbtc), just my deposit amount. First they tell me to place the withdrawal again but then reject it 5 minutes later... Please do not make the mistake to try them out...

I'm sorry about what you've experienced but to be honest, I've been hearing lots of negative things and scam accusations about the site. I just didn't expect that it's still scamming lots of players until now. I hope the whole gambling community would be aware of this and be skeptical about depositing in shady casino sites.

[nakamura12]

I guess op didn't even update the thread about the situation or issue. I skimmed the pages in this thread and I didn't see a new reply from op if it's solved or not. Op can start a scam accusation if there is a strong evidence against betflip but my guess is that op didn't have evidence to start the scam accusation thread to prove his/her claim about betflip not paying op. Let's wait for op to come back, maybe I am wrong that op didn't have evidence but let's see what happens next.

[adzino]

I had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

It is funny how you guys "after" getting scammed start looking for reviews and information about the casino. You could have done that before and saved yourself from getting scammed. If you google the name of the casino along with the term "scam", you will see how many scam accusation posts against them pops on the top result. Click one of those and you will instantly know they are here just to scam people. Why even play on a casino that has no reputation at all? Why not choose a casino that has been around for years?

[mia_houston]

I had also faced the same experience and is very much disappointed with this. betflip.io is a scam website on which you can face just loss and nothing else. I would suggest everyone not make any deposit on this site and report it in the scam accusation section. So it may help many other users to avoid this scam website.

It is funny how you guys "after" getting scammed start looking for reviews and information about the casino. You could have done that before and saved yourself from getting scammed. If you google the name of the casino along with the term "scam", you will see how many scam accusation posts against them pops on the top result. Click one of those and you will instantly know they are here just to scam people. Why even play on a casino that has no reputation at all? Why not choose a casino that has been around for years?

I am also a little surprised by people who say they are online gamblers but continue to be trapped in scam casinos, nowadays information about everything can be very easy for us to get on the internet, but for some reason they are lazy to find information about that casinos, before they do deposited and ended up getting stuck with a scam, I think as a forum member who has had a lot of discussions about various things, it's better if we don't be too rash in believing something that is related to money, it's a good idea for us to do some research first before deciding to join or not included in choosing a casino to gamble.
Can't we use the experience of many members who have been cheated by the casino as a lesson so that we don't experience it?

[wxa7115]

You need to read about the reputation of sites before you deposit on them because there are scam sites all around that offer various promos and bonuses and are willing to risk the trust for any deposits. Avoid them

What happens is that a great deal of the people do not want to do this as in their minds that sounds like work and the last thing they want to do when they want to have some fun is to work for it.

And while this makes sense I think that a small research of half an hour is more than enough to help you to quickly find if a casino is a scam and if they treat their clients right, and in this case this casino has many accusations in place that are easy to find and that would have saved the one conducting their due diligence of losing their money to that casino.

[TimeTeller]

You need to read about the reputation of sites before you deposit on them because there are scam sites all around that offer various promos and bonuses and are willing to risk the trust for any deposits. Avoid them

What happens is that a great deal of the people do not want to do this as in their minds that sounds like work and the last thing they want to do when they want to have some fun is to work for it.

And while this makes sense I think that a small research of half an hour is more than enough to help you to quickly find if a casino is a scam and if they treat their clients right, and in this case this casino has many accusations in place that are easy to find and that would have saved the one conducting their due diligence of losing their money to that casino.

If you are already here in this forum like the OP, he should have checked this gambling board first.
Because just by browsing this board, you will already get the idea who's who in the gambling business.
Also, don't forget to check the trust summary of their respective admin or reps and you will know if they have existing issues.
A quick search will save your funds from being screwed. But unfortunately, in some cases, they will only search and ask once they were already screwed and lost.